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« Reply #600 on: January 13, 2020, 05:53:01 PM »

true

I think it is absolutely true.
That art can be way more flawless than men who created it.
I would not say it is clearest in BM, though.

Even without expanding the scope to "art" in general but just looking at "popular music" my idea starts looking quite iffy. There are quite a few catchy, convincing and effective rock/hard rock songs, which does undermine my thesis quite a bit. This massive rift between musical and personal quality may in fact be limited to demo stage Swedish black metal in the 90's. Oh, well. Most ambitious value systems tend to falter as time rolls on.
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« Reply #601 on: January 14, 2020, 03:01:12 PM »

Wolves Among Sheep is hard to find, but a lengthy history of NSBM.
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Bought it last year from the publisher, they probably have copies, the finnish bm book is also very good.

Finnish Black Metal book is just about sold out. I took all the remaining of the print run. Both Finnish and English version last copies are available from nhfastore.  I have sold probably 100+ of Wolves Among Sheep. Should ask to get few more to distro. I was told by publisher that vast majority of dealers refused to sell it due assuming it would bring some trouble. Most sold first batch to most anxious customers, but never dared to keep it available. I think book is good historical document, that nobody should be ashamed or too worried to distribute.
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« Reply #602 on: January 14, 2020, 04:34:22 PM »

My only gripe Wolves Among Sheep and The Devil's Cradle is that the English translation can be pretty bad, making it a tedious read. I actually had to stop reading Wolves because I couldn't handle what felt like bad Google Translate / the result of a translator with poor writing style.
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« Reply #603 on: January 14, 2020, 05:13:41 PM »

true
I think it is absolutely true.
That art can be way more flawless than men who created it.
I would not say it is clearest in BM, though.
Even without expanding the scope to "art" in general but just looking at "popular music" my idea starts looking quite iffy. There are quite a few catchy, convincing and effective rock/hard rock songs, which does undermine my thesis quite a bit. This massive rift between musical and personal quality may in fact be limited to demo stage Swedish black metal in the 90's. Oh, well. Most ambitious value systems tend to falter as time rolls on.


Maybe you're just more easily impressed by art than by people. I separate the art and the artist quite rigidly and often couldn't care less what kind of person made the piece I'm enjoying or not enjoying. That's why I listen to NSBM but have other parameters to how I engage with it. On the flipside there's people in the scene who I get along with super well but whose music I don't really like and I don't think that's a big deal at all.
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« Reply #604 on: January 14, 2020, 09:40:34 PM »

Maybe you're just more easily impressed by art than by people. I separate the art and the artist quite rigidly and often couldn't care less what kind of person made the piece I'm enjoying or not enjoying. That's why I listen to NSBM but have other parameters to how I engage with it. On the flipside there's people in the scene who I get along with super well but whose music I don't really like and I don't think that's a big deal at all.
To put things in perspective: a well written book with good ideas and an entertaining style says a whole lot about the person who wrote it. He may still be a rapist or terribly rude, but by definition he will not lack imagination or be uninteresting if you actually manage to strike up a conversation. I suppose I expect this to translate to musicians as well (which is sometimes does). My focus on black metal may simply be an artifact of teenage experiences and disappointments...
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« Reply #605 on: January 16, 2020, 02:51:55 PM »

listening to the newest nyogthaeblisz offering rn, a little late maybe, i really like it... most bands who try to this ultra-noisey black/death/"war" metal thing is usually boring in my eyes, but this hit the spot for some reason. maybe its just the going-all-the-way all out insanity of it, only matched by maybe vvorld vvithout end. for me, a very pleasant suprise!

Never cared for the band, but this is very good. Realy like the digital sounding noise and samples with the instrumental music. For some strange reason it fits very well. The noise & blackmetal is perfectly balanced.
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« Reply #606 on: January 17, 2020, 10:11:50 AM »

Wondering if anyone can comment on the Paysage d'Hiver vinyl reissues that came out recently, and how they might sound compared to the tapes or cd's... the thought of listening to it on vinyl seems strange but it could be that much more.
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« Reply #607 on: January 17, 2020, 10:48:31 PM »



Anybody else manage to grab the fucking elusive and honestly massive 23xCS box set from Grausamkeit?

Not sure how familiar everyone is with that band seeing as demos coming out of Germany in the 90's are criminally slept on these days by the masses... Ultimately they take a back seat to the Norway scene or all the garbage coming out of the United States or whatever else people have cared about the past 10 years, but this is that good shit. He was a true heroin loving, crack smoking, prison serving, 4 track recording, one-man-wild-card black metal teenager pumping out release after release for over 25 projects and bands back in the 90's. Fresh out of another stint behind the walls, his work is finally getting proper reissues all these years later.


Wish I could do anything of artistic merit as pure and honest as this when I was 16...


https://youtu.be/9J9upytaJc0





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« Reply #608 on: Today at 02:56:08 AM »

I first heard grausamkeit on that cd comp in 2012, loved the stuff. I am bummed his material is hoarded by instagram types these days. Truly deranged and amateur in the best way. John Olson writes very fondly of him in Life is a Rip Off.
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Anybody else manage to grab the fucking elusive and honestly massive 23xCS box set from Grausamkeit?

Not sure how familiar everyone is with that band seeing as demos coming out of Germany in the 90's are criminally slept on these days by the masses... Ultimately they take a back seat to the Norway scene or all the garbage coming out of the United States or whatever else people have cared about the past 10 years, but this is that good shit. He was a true heroin loving, crack smoking, prison serving, 4 track recording, one-man-wild-card black metal teenager pumping out release after release for over 25 projects and bands back in the 90's. Fresh out of another stint behind the walls, his work is finally getting proper reissues all these years later.


Wish I could do anything of artistic merit as pure and honest as this when I was 16...


https://youtu.be/9J9upytaJc0







I have only come across the band recently, but have really liked what I heard.  I would have seriously considered getting the box set, but, unfortunately, did not hear about it until long after it was sold out.
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