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« Reply #6210 on: March 25, 2017, 01:55:59 AM »

Streicher/Totenrune - Global Gas Chamber/Bellum Internecinum (10", Unrest Productions): First release I own from Streicher, but this sounds good, seems to lean more to the Harsh Noise side and thus different from some of the old tracks I heard online. Should invest some time in checking out this classic act. Totenrune track sounds really good, strong oppressive Harsh Noise.

Totenrune/Insurgence (tape, Lost Empire Records): Also nice Totenrune tracks, but less impressive than the track on the 10". Insurgence started as a Deathkey rip  off project but seems to have changed direction with this release, still Harsh Noise/PE of course. Not bad, but I certainly think there's room for improvement.

Almost forgot to mention that both releases come with rather basic, but fitting covers/layout.
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« Reply #6211 on: March 25, 2017, 07:46:15 AM »


S*Core "Pretension" tape
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Jesus christ! I don't remember when I bought this, but must be long ago. 1988 release, and how good it is? I'm just constantly amazed how this artist isn't praised as ultimate hero of Japanese industrial-noise!

"Dumb Chamber" is one of the better Broken Flag releases that isn't given much credit. His layered, creeping stuff is some of the top atmospheric material from that era. Never could get into 90's S-Core though.

oh great

Yea, they're pretty great.


Antonin Pagaille ‎– "Ma Voix Est Un Écho"
I miss the material under the Alleypisser moniker. Where Knækkede Stemmer continued the concrete, acoustic experimentation of the former, the Antonin project seems to have taken slightly from the branches of the Flugt era of isolated build ups and synth manipulations, though original and stands on it's own there is a similar sense of a spaced out slow ambient soundscapes.

In Ketten - "Live at JVA Ichtershausen 1995"
The stage name Absurd took while in county jail while waiting conclusion of their murder charges and transfers to Prison. They played 5 shows only this one had a recording that survived. I've talked pretty endlessly over the years about my obsession with early Absurd from the Demo era through "Facta Luquuntur" and this is a great side piece of novelty from that era, though completely devoid of any Black Metal influences. Features cover songs of "House of the Rising Sun", Endstufe "Winter In Der BRD", a couple Ultima Thule tracks, The Misfits "Angelfuck" plus their jailhouse version of Absurd's own "Mourning Soul" and "Verlassen" with the leftover track, "Ein letzer Kuss", being the only original In Ketten song made.

Mesalliance - "Ere Rance"
Obviously influenced by the so-called "rural" Hooligan Black Metal sound of bands like Peste Noire, Baise ma Hache, Sale Freux, Autarcie, etc. Crisp production allows focus on the unique qualities of each track, all in their own little microcosms where abrupt mid-song transitions from one style to another (most reminiscent of KPN's "L'ordure a L'etat pur") are commonplace. Some experiments with traditional and melodic Black Metal laced with some folk elements, but the reason Mesalliance stands out is because of their plentiful use of unconventional sounds and techniques that can change spastic picking into chunky, Groove Metal-esque riffing or a sunny major chord progression, with just as many different rhythmic pursuits to back it up from blastbeats to d-beats. And it all works out.
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« Reply #6212 on: March 26, 2017, 09:47:59 AM »

Apart from watching old movies, I'm making my way through the Urashima Mauthausen Orchestra tape box - Orgies of Crime.
Seems like I'm in a kind of nostalgic mood...

Further listens include some Alfarmania tapes (Kodon, Iktorevil, Nojjan)
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« Reply #6213 on: March 26, 2017, 11:03:02 AM »

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a subject matter thing, it has a separate sound from Oi!, anyone can tell that just by listening to Bound For Glory, Honor, No Remorse and comparing it to Sham 69, Peter and the Test Tube Babies, Cockney Rejects, etc.

In RAC the message is what makes the difference. Soundwise it can also be more metal or rock sounding. Real oi! has a specific brick wall sound like Combat 84. Sham 69, Cockney Reject are more leaning towards street punk. Just my 2 cents..
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« Reply #6214 on: March 26, 2017, 03:49:22 PM »

Either you're misinformed, or clueless, or a revisionnist. And you obviously don't understand French because both bands' lyrics are quite unequivocal. They're RAC bands, not oi bands. Most French oi bands used to be apolitical (which led to songs with very embarrassing lyrics sometimes) but these two were more than apolitical bands, they were explicitly right-wing.

Did you read anything I said before you commented, gatekeeper? What are you even on about? I literally never said anything about them not being right-wing or apolitical, I said they weren't Racialists. There is a difference between "Racialism", nationalism and the right wing; all of these things can and do exist outside of one another, they are not mutually inclusive. And I never mentioned the Bleach Boys politics at all, I said that their sound was closer to Oi! than to the RAC sound popular at the time. RAC isn't simply about being anti-communist, or being "right-wing", RAC isn't just a subject matter thing, it has a separate sound from Oi!, anyone can tell that just by listening to Bound For Glory, Honor, No Remorse and comparing it to Sham 69, Peter and the Test Tube Babies, Cockney Rejects, etc.

Etc, etc, etc...


"Racialism", "nationalism" and "right wing" are different words that all mean the same thing within a punk context and you know it. I also don't agree with you when it comes to RAC' sound for the exact reasons Impulse Manslaughter mentioned. Basically, you're using all the arguments rightwing people spout when they're not really comfortable with their own ideas and keep trying to justify themselves. And guess what? Petit Willy does the same in that bit of interview you posted. And rightwing politicians do the same in France lately as well. "Evil Skins are ok because the singer is Iranian, cripped and I don't know French, and I don't care about what they say." Well, you obviously care because you don't post about those facts innocently, and you know you're attracted to their aesthetics the same way a lot of guys on here think Zyklon SS are cool because of "Zyklon" and "SS", or they like Filth & Violence material because "boobs" and they can project their own fantasies over all that stuff (it's ok, I have a huge Ilsa She-wolf Of The SS poster in my toilets.) It doesn't mean you can't be called out by someone who understands their lyrics (I'm French) or knows your post is very biased. Sniff got shot by a punk in a skinheads vs punks brawl, now people can make their own idea about the band. And Petit Willy tries to defend himself by saying they accepted non-Whites, foreigners or jews within their skinhead crew but you know, Jörg Haider had a trouble sexuality, Florian Philippot (the vice-president of the French Front National party) is gay, and we all know what happened to non-whites, gays and Jews in 1942. Anyway, case closed as far as I am concerned.

My comment on Hagar Dunor was just an explanation regarding who that character is, as I'm not sure most people on the forum have heard about him before. It didn't have anything to do with you and the rest of your post.

I'm done derailing the thread nor talking about that topic, feel free to listen to whatever you want, just don't twist the facts when you mention it.


Since opening a gig for him a few days ago, I've been listening to some Jean-Philippe Gross' tapes lately, namely the Black Packers "Living The Dream" one (a duo he does with John Hegre, who formed Jazzkammer with Lasse Marhaug among others) and the "Heike Trapped The Piano" one, released under his own name. Both tapes showcase excellent and dynamic harshnoise, with beautiful crunchy sounds and brutal feedback. He uses several Serge modular boxes to create his music and it really shows (and he definitely knows his shit.) I don't ever want to hear anything played through a Metal Zone ever again in my life.

You can check some of his stuff on his website, it's great: https://jeanphilippegross.wordpress.com/280-2/
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« Reply #6215 on: March 27, 2017, 12:50:06 AM »

Rotten UK ‎– "That Is Not Dead..."
Was surprised when HHR put this one out. There are hints of the "street metal" sound of bands like Tank and Warfare here but taken in the looser punk direction of the UK82 style of Broken Bones, Disorder, etc. and some Swedish Anti-Cimex, uniquely combined with deathrock sounds you would hear in 45 Grave and UK Decay worship. Pretty good music, silly name (the band is American).

Body Cargo ‎– "Konkrete"
Just found this in storage. I think either the label or artist sent it to me back when I interviewed him in 2010 and I never got a chance to actually listen to it until now! I think anyone who remembers Body Cargo would be able to recognize it; it's very simple "post-mortem" styled Industrial, methodical texture based movements centered around synth work and some buried undecipherable lyrics.

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« Reply #6216 on: March 27, 2017, 01:18:10 AM »

and we all know what happened to non-whites, gays and Jews in 1942.

What happened ? That's war, sorry. Can't understand why those victims are exceptional, more important than others, from every side. Why are the collateral damages -i would say- more important than a man dying fighting for his country, ideas, family, for his life at the end ? I don't need an answer.
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« Reply #6217 on: March 28, 2017, 10:16:29 AM »

Cryptofascisme “Mille Collines.” CS (Yes Divulgation)
        More pseudo-noisecore – I like this, but can barely understand the context of the subject matter because my French is atrocious. Sort of muddy, grim and depressing sound – this is what I would imagine folks in 3rd-world countries doing if they'd never heard any noise. Not at all a bad thing, though. Just not terribly sure if this is the sort of thing to listen to twice. Favorite highlight was when an unexpected rhythm emerged from the murk and gave off old-M.B. vibes. Recording quality goes from fairly muddy to surprisingly good. I sort of doubt the guy behind the project would appreciate the comparison, but I hear some similarities with obscure deep-buried Filth & Violence one-offs.

Pseudo-noisecore? hmmmm... I didn't find anything noisecore in this, more like just overall industrial-noise and atmospheric industrial. There are tribal drumming, internal feedback manipulations what sound pretty much like slightly random analogue synth. Or is it some basic self made synth? Slow and heavy sounds echoing, rhythm loops made out of physical sounds etc. Always clearly constructed long tracks that could be rather dating back to late 80's industrial tape underground!
It seems to deal mostly with Rwanda genocide. Therefore, african drumming and such works conceptually well, despite I have no idea whether they are really from Rwanda or just "whatever african stuff"... Mille Collines was the hotel where over 1000 people too refugee during the genocide. There is movie about it for those who care less for history books.
I was very surprised how good the tape was!

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« Reply #6218 on: March 28, 2017, 10:31:47 AM »

"Racialism", "nationalism" and "right wing" are different words that all mean the same thing within a punk context and you know it.

Feel free to listen to whatever you want, just don't twist the facts when you mention it.

It is curious to put blame on twisting the facts, when one mentions twisting the meanings of words to different than they are, simply because that it's done in the "punk context".

Of course, no further discussion is needed of this, just reminder that there is no specific political agenda dominating what questions are dealt with and how, in industrial music. Neither rock'n'roll. There are topics for RAC as well as hc/punk on forum what can be used if necessary. Preferably to focus most energy on experimental noise, though!
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« Reply #6219 on: March 28, 2017, 04:12:15 PM »

Balkan Gaze ‎– Vampir Melošević cassette - Northern Cross - 2 "industrial" drones. a bit like a John Carpenter cue circa Escape from New York, without the arpeggio bit. at under five minutes each side this tape doesn't wear out its welcome, but it also seems like kind of waste. i can understand a cassingle with two power electronics tracks or harsh noise blasts, but just two drones? i dunno... enjoyable regardless.

Plague Mother ‎– Shattered Vessel cassette - Beyond the Ruins - a-side, two harsh noise blasts. the 1st is a bit more dynamic and i prefer it to the 2nd. the b-side, ambient drones with details soaked in delay. maybe its my mood but i think the b-side is a lot more effective than the harsh noise.

Umgreifende ‎– II cassette - ANGST - a slow moving mix of bass-y hums, field recordings and noise. this is slow moving and patient, without being particularly brooding. tension builds up a bit, largely because it's hard to tell where the tracks are going.

Sunken Cheek ‎– Without Rejection cassette - ANGST - like a noise, thicker sounding version of the Umgreifende tape. there's a nice sense of flow and natural dynamics. as good for headphones as it is for background reading music.

Brainoil - Brainoil & Death of This Dry Season - TANKCRIMES - finding a whole new appreciation of this band at the gym. the track Inquisition from the S/T is especially fitting.

Laudanum - The Coronation mp3s - great sludge/doom with ambient parts that don't suck. I need to grab a physical copy of this.
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« Reply #6220 on: March 28, 2017, 10:49:29 PM »

regarding French oI!
I am glad to see that one of my old school faves are back

RAS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEKinKdnUVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zAeyMBF_ZI
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« Reply #6221 on: March 29, 2017, 05:27:32 PM »

Cryptofascisme “Mille Collines.” CS (Yes Divulgation)
        More pseudo-noisecore – I like this, but can barely understand the context of the subject matter because my French is atrocious. Sort of muddy, grim and depressing sound – this is what I would imagine folks in 3rd-world countries doing if they'd never heard any noise. Not at all a bad thing, though. Just not terribly sure if this is the sort of thing to listen to twice. Favorite highlight was when an unexpected rhythm emerged from the murk and gave off old-M.B. vibes. Recording quality goes from fairly muddy to surprisingly good. I sort of doubt the guy behind the project would appreciate the comparison, but I hear some similarities with obscure deep-buried Filth & Violence one-offs.

Pseudo-noisecore? hmmmm... I didn't find anything noisecore in this, more like just overall industrial-noise and atmospheric industrial. There are tribal drumming, internal feedback manipulations what sound pretty much like slightly random analogue synth. Or is it some basic self made synth? Slow and heavy sounds echoing, rhythm loops made out of physical sounds etc. Always clearly constructed long tracks that could be rather dating back to late 80's industrial tape underground!
It seems to deal mostly with Rwanda genocide. Therefore, african drumming and such works conceptually well, despite I have no idea whether they are really from Rwanda or just "whatever african stuff"... Mille Collines was the hotel where over 1000 people too refugee during the genocide. There is movie about it for those who care less for history books.
I was very surprised how good the tape was!



"Mille Collines", here, refers to the government-controlled radio station that did all the pro-Hutu, racist propaganda against the Tutsis during the genocide.

Every sound source used on the recording that is not generated by synth or tape is from Rwanda and not random African stuff. They were a proper pain to track down.

Thank you for the nice words and reviews
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« Reply #6222 on: March 30, 2017, 12:30:04 PM »

Balkan Gaze ‎– Vampir Melošević cassette -
Umgreifende ‎– II cassette - ANGST - a slow moving mix of bass-y hums, field recordings and noise. this is slow moving and patient, without being particularly brooding. tension builds up a bit, largely because it's hard to tell where the tracks are going.

Sunken Cheek ‎– Without Rejection cassette - ANGST - like a noise, thicker sounding version of the Umgreifende tape. there's a nice sense of flow and natural dynamics. as good for headphones as it is for background reading music.

Laudanum - The Coronation mp3s - great sludge/doom with ambient parts that don't suck. I need to grab a physical copy of this.

If you can find it, I really recommend getting a copy of Laudanum's The Apotheker album. Pretty vicious and original sounding sludge, a bit more up-tempo too. Maybe Brainoil you mentioned not being a million miles away as a reference. I've been also listening to the Umgreifende and Sunken Cheek tapes and both are great. I especially like the Umgreifende's vagueness when it comes to composition. It sounds like it's very intuitively planned with not too much contemplation.

Djinn - Katharos/Technological Death
Nice 2xcassette box with two first albums of this before unknown to me project. Pretty varied stuff as I seem to recall. Even if the music could be better categorized as dar ambient there's a very sinister and clinical feeling to this not unlike some death industrial. Works as well as background music as in attentive listening.
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« Reply #6223 on: March 30, 2017, 12:31:54 PM »

HEINZ HOPF "Dedicated To Yvonne Schaloske" tape
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I've been listening to some of the Sewer Election / Treriksröset "killing..." series tapes in recent times and have to say that despite being seemingly "the same", they always are worth playing through. Same could be said about another Swedish duo consisting Dan Johansson. Don't know if it was presence of Treriksröset what made those collaborations extra hard, but somehow Heinz Hopf doesn't quite go to level of total annihilation what is felt on those collaboration. Hopf is seemingly "the same". Harsh noise collaboration, tributing to USA noise and whatever Swedish actress one may be obsessed with. Even if Killing series wasn't that hostile and dark, there was something in it little bit more than "movies and great noise" -thing.
HH delivers what it has used to deliver, and there are basically no flaws beyond little "uneven" power of contributors (in my opinion). Meaning that there are moments when other guy seems to be blasting like hell, and the other doesn't seem to get his shit going on. But it may be intentional. Good tape, not mandatory, but I still tend to think I probably need whatever from project they are releasing.

GELSOMINA "Waste oil Recycled vol 3" tape
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Re-visiting older tape. Abisko label (of mr. Treriksröset) put out this tape that is last part of Waste Oil Recycled trilogy. One may ask what's the point of Gelsomina recycling 3 times the sounds of debut CDR? Well, who knows.  It is no way among best Gelsomina, but truth is, that even semi half-assed Gelsomina belong to some of the best harsh noise made in Finland! I don't think certain flanger/phased sweeps has aged too well, but if he'd be to pick up Ultimate Waste Oil Recycling CD with best part of the trilogy, it would most likely live up to the bands albums!

JUMALHÄMÄRÄ "La Strada" tape
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Finnish band that went through black/death to dark metal to black metal to post-black metal to organ music to....... well. Think of almost like Ulver of Finland - except not sounding or looking like Ulver at all. Just the transition from 90's black metal youth to alternative underground adults doing whatever they feel like. This tape is something that if it would be released by POSH ISOLATION now, it would probably sink into crowd 100%. Soft steady beat pulse, ethereal polyphonic keyboard melodies, female voice with extensive reverb whispering, talking, singing... eventually adding drums, percussion, and getting wilder and wilder. Absolutely no trace of black metal here anymore, but fits right there next to Croatian Amor, Vanessa Amara etc. Of course not sounding entirely like them, but along the type. However, it's very good tape! Long track is carefully done, and well composed, with good sound and all, in fact probably would justify being LP much more than many PI releases, but I assume this tape will remain in obscurity.
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« Reply #6224 on: March 30, 2017, 08:36:15 PM »

FreakAnimal, thought it was a funny logic jump that the last tape you reviewed is called "La Strada," when the name Gelsomina comes from that movie. But yeah, Gelsomina is some of the all-time most underrated harsh noise - for me it's on the Hijokaidan, Incapacitants, Rita etc level; just really beautifully constructed, at times a true endurance test, and definitely succeeds at being "radiant like the sun." Also not sure where my head was at when listening to that Cryptofascisme stuff - might actually have been listening to another tape by that project and got confused.

Anyway...

Tearoom Trades CS (Danvers State Recordings)
     Gay-themed power electronics. Only release from an anonymous duo who may or may not be from the Chicago area. What more do you need? Guys that listen to Snuff, B.U. etc but react like "ew, fags" to gay stuff should probably stay away. Hard to explain, but even the electronics themselves sound "gay." Thinner textural static, odd rhythmic synth lines that sound distinctly digital, and melancholy synth-note melodies underneath varied two-vocalist ranting. Lots of variation in vocal style between and even within tracks, definitely makes good use of the duo format. Think I might have heard some nice layering of the two vocalists, which should be done more in PE. If you dig Wonderland Club, you'll like this, but good luck tracking it down. Someone on some hipster noise forum once claimed that guys like me only listen to BLJ, Ramirez etc to prove we're not homophobic...haha! You'd think the real reason would be obvious...

Taeter "Parasite" CS (Turgid Animal Italian Division)
          If you want to get reductive, I'm actually surprised how much this sounds like late '00s Taint and N12 - to be frank, some of this sounds like stuff that didn't make it onto the Candyman CD. Yeah, some of this is a little derivative, but it's well-done and obviously genuine - unrepeatably obscene lyrics that would do early Sotos ala Tick, Lazy, Special and Index very proud (duh, it's called "Parasite"). Pretty blown-out and thick sound as far as electronics go; everything pretty heavily distorted with varied vocals - one thing I always expect from Tisbor and he always delivers on is great vocal delivery; some more accented, some more effected. I don't know what else to say except that Taeter fans will like this if you started backward with Glorious Paraphilia like me, and otherwise it might appeal to Italo-depravity fans in general. You won't like this if you don't fit either of those categories, this stuff is menacing and nasty. Poetic lyrics: "I'm fucking their divorce."
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