Economics of noise publishing

Started by ADR, June 01, 2010, 11:03:00 AM

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ADR

This topic is splitted from Bizarre Uproar/Deathkey split LP announcement. -Moderator


Quote from: Tommy Carlsson on June 01, 2010, 09:49:34 AM
Quote from: ADR on June 01, 2010, 09:23:24 AM$35 p/p in the US/CAN
$45 p/p everywhere else

Wow, you really don't want people to buy this, do you?

This release was highly expensive to create. Price is postage paid. Covers are not regular jackets but rather heavy black board that were hand screen printed. This entire package weighs more than a regular lp. Don't like it, don't buy it.
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Tommy Carlsson

Quote from: ADR on June 01, 2010, 11:03:00 AMDon't like it, don't buy it.

Another way of saying...



Ah, just kidding. Good luck selling those heavy LPs man :-)

linxtyx

Anyway prices are pretty itchy...but the artists will repay in their sound inside this expensive one...yeah, for sure...it's BU..it's DeathKey...

bogskaggmannen

Quote from: linxtyx on June 01, 2010, 03:15:22 PM
the artists will repay in their sound inside this expensive one

Do you mean Pasi will send me part of my money back upon listening to the LP?

Andrew McIntosh

BU, okay. Deathkey I've always found to be overrated. Anyway, vynal costs, that's all there is to it, and this is a release for the commited only. I'm not that thrilled with vynal, myself.
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linxtyx

Quote from: bogskaggmannen on June 01, 2010, 03:28:41 PM
Quote from: linxtyx on June 01, 2010, 03:15:22 PM
the artists will repay in their sound inside this expensive one

Do you mean Pasi will send me part of my money back upon listening to the LP?

repay in sound - I said :) anyway it was all sarcastic I must say, due to ban further interpretations.

ConcreteMascara

Before the Euro dropped it cost just about the same to get LPs from Scandinavia anyways. At least it ain't Rose Pillar pricey.
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Goat93

Looks nice, see how much it will cost from Pasi then. 45 Dollar is bit expensive :/

Zeno Marx

Quote from: ADR on June 01, 2010, 11:03:00 AMCovers are not regular jackets but rather heavy black board that were hand screen printed.
Same as the BizarreSSMania?  That's a sharp looking/feeling cover, for sure.  (doesn't mean I'm giving anyone fucking $35 for an LP, though; and at that kind of price, I think I could do without such a cover)
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ADR

The price for the US/CAN is with priority shipping approx $7 - $10

The price for mailing 1 outside of North America is approx $15-$17.
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Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 01, 2010, 06:12:19 PM
Quote from: ADR on June 01, 2010, 11:03:00 AMCovers are not regular jackets but rather heavy black board that were hand screen printed.
Same as the BizarreSSMania?  That's a sharp looking/feeling cover, for sure.  (doesn't mean I'm giving anyone fucking $35 for an LP, though; and at that kind of price, I think I could do without such a cover)

Covers are not quite like those. Mikko created something very unique with those 2 releases. These are heavy 5 point black board with with plastic based screen print inks. You can feel the ink on the covers.
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FreakAnimalFinland

I think BizarreSSmania LP, if you could retail 15 euro + shipping 21 to overseas = 36 euro.. I guess with current rates is 46 USD? Normally LP could be shipped for 13e overseas if it weights less than half kilo with packaging. Still.. 37 USD ppd?

I guess that's about the price one has to accept if they want noise LP that's pressed realistic amount to sell.
At least I can't do much cheaper (than 15euro+ship). Otherwise you'll be doing it for loss of money, which isn't best way to run label. I recall recent LP's I bought from sweden for wholesale costs all in all 12 euro. Retail of 15 with tax included meant I got like 0,30 euro "profit" per copy when selling it. Which is the optimistic calculation. Considering the rounded down shipping rate deals, packaging included in price, etc... well, if anyone order just those LP's they were sold at loss. If order something else, other titles may compensate. And I still know I couldn't bitch label about their pricing, which was simply related to costs of doing it. But perhaps people could bitch about my prices, even if I sold at loss?

Of course one can always wonder how RRR can sell their 200 copies LP's for 12$ or such, but I would guess it is compensated with other titles with better profit margin? I personally would hope vinyl wouldn't survive only from charity, but could live with realities there are. I can't see factories lowering their prices and post gets up about ever 12 months. So I guess in few years standard prices for LP made less than 500 will be atrocious.

I hope to get this title for sale and hope to be able to offer good deal for european customers. I can promise I can't compete with overseas prices. I have heard the BU side of this split and it is very strong material. More structured PE form.
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heretogo

You're obviously entitled to charge whatever you want for an LP. I just wonder why you try to justify the price based on production cost. Even taking into account the included postage the price is still > 10$ more expensive than a normal US LP. Does it really cost more than 10 bucks a piece to manufacture the covers? Maybe it does but somehow I would be expecting something really extraordinary for this price...
Now, if you would say that your profit margin for this release is different (for whatever reason) than is the norm for the noise scene... I'd be cool with that. Especially if the money goes mainly to the artists.

Goat93

Just wondering why the Metal heads can make lower Prices with mostly Awesome Packages?
Someone have an Idea about that?

As Example -> Nuclear War Now Records:


New Abominator "Barbarian War Worship" Die Hard DLP for 25 Dollar + Postage.
Gatefold jacket, A2 poster, 12"x12" insert, patch, sticker and double red vinyl LPs.
So far i know are these Pressed at CZ, so it is shipped from Europe->US and then
again to Europe if someone buy it.


linxtyx

Hah. That was a hit directly to the groin..