Radicalisation in society

Started by online prowler, May 02, 2013, 01:55:23 PM

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online prowler

Thread for radicalisation in all its forms and shapes seen in society. In harsh times the political and spiritual move to the outer limits of the scale. I hope this thread and the posts to come will shed a light on the actors in the field, strategies, ideologies and what you see fit.

http://Islam.net/ This fundametal islam organization - Islam Net led by Fahad Quershi - just got banned form the university in Oslo/Norway due to unwanted attitudes and activity. Not stated, though probably feared from the universities board was that islam Net would use the university as a place to recruit people to radicalism. More here: http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/ostlandssendingen/1.11009219


The other spectrum:

Norwegian islam critic site edited by Hans Rustad.
http://www.document.no/

Levas

Gender loops project. the project was done in kindergardens (at least what I know about things here, in Lithuania) without knowledge of the children parents. The follow up of this failed project was continued under the different name in the same conditions.

http://www.genderloops.eu/

http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2012/homosexuality/nordic-countries-defund-gender-ideology/

Two books in Danish

Rikke becoming Rasmus
http://miliki.dk/fileadmin/ligestilling/PDF/boernehaver/Rikke_web.pdf

Frederik becoming Frida
http://miliki.dk/fileadmin/ligestilling/PDF/boernehaver/Frederik_web.pdf

Andrew McIntosh

QuoteVerily the age of political reason

has long bygone . . .

Do teach us madness . . .

Very nice.
Shikata ga nai.

online prowler

#3
UK slaying/terror attack

Man, probalby killer talks to passerby w camera after slaying British solider in the street. Moments later he and his accomplice is shot an wounded by the police. This could easily go in the radicalization thread as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldaol0Aob_4




FreakAnimalFinland

I moved the message above as it had nothing to do with "political correctness"...

Unrelated to case above, but related perhaps to radicalization in society... News of Stockholm at the moment? heh... Not sure how much it touches usual Stockholm living guy, but seeing headlines like "Stockholm against Cops", it was quite amusing.
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kettu

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 23, 2013, 06:46:13 PM
I moved the message above as it had nothing to do with "political correctness"...

News of Stockholm at the moment? heh...

Only guy arrested at the moment is a finnish guy haha.
My homeland pride spiked a good 10% at least. I hope he had a knife with him to really make the stereotype into reality.

post-morten

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 23, 2013, 06:46:13 PM
Unrelated to case above, but related perhaps to radicalization in society... News of Stockholm at the moment? heh... Not sure how much it touches usual Stockholm living guy, but seeing headlines like "Stockholm against Cops", it was quite amusing.

Well, the riots have mainly happened in the segregated "ghettos" in the very farthest outskirts of Stockholm, inhabitated mainly by 1st and 2nd generation immigrants. But it's slowly creeping closer to the city. Last night there were a lot of tension in the suburb of Hagsätra, which is close to where I live (and even closer for Tommy C...) so at least I could hear the sirens of the cop cars.

bitewerksMTB

I remember when I was in Paris France, I asked about ghetto areas of the city thinking it'd be the inner city like in the US but was told the 'ghetto'  were the outskirts  of the city (& they fight monkeys! I don't remember who 'they' are who fought monkeys...). Oddly enough, I don't remember anyone who fit the French stereotype while I was there other than the non-French people who my guide seem to get into arguments with everywhere we went!

"In the troubled neighborhoods, allegations are said to be flying around about police brutality, racism and harassment. Sweden is once again facing a debate over whether immigrants and their families — once welcomed with open arms — are being marginalized, and whether multiculturalism is working.

Immigration is a controversial issue in Scandinavia these days: Resentment over asylum seekers, competition for jobs, and Islamist militancy have helped fuel a surge in support for anti-immigration parties in the region. These include the far-right Sweden Democrats, now running third in opinion polls."

What is a far-right Democrat?

FreakAnimalFinland

Sweden Democrats is the name of party. Very popular, but appears to be kind of shut out of normal politics? Perhaps not in same way as Golden Dawn in Greece, though?

"Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives". If citizen happen to question what exactly it is that makes one swedish or qualify as citizen, I guess most rate those people to far right...?
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ironfistofthesun

Re/ the events in London...
I can only speak for myself, but i see this as a "game changer" in the UK. The EDL got something like 20,000 facebook likes within a few hours.
A division of a already fucked situation just got 100 times worse.

I have no intellectual insight  to offer on the matter. All i know I'm worried raising my child in Birmingham, already this year we had a foiled beheading plot 1 mile from my house, also foiled bomb gang 2 miles from me..

At this point i cant see a way out of this.


GEWALTMONOPOL

Maybe it's because there is a high ex forces presence in my profession but based on reactions from colleagues yesterday this one struck a chord more than anything I've seen or heard of previously.
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HongKongGoolagong

Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on May 24, 2013, 01:28:04 PM
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on May 22, 2013, 11:04:21 PM
As terrorists go, these guys chose a much more appropriate target than the Boston bombers.

25 year old lad, unarmed and minding his own business to or from work. Are you absolutely sure about that?

Ruthless, horrific and effective in hitting the news for an appropriate target, with a minimum of collateral casualties. Funeral for a squaddie killed in Afghanistan near me yesterday had a police cordon. They may not have got the numbers of Breivik or the unrepeatable drama of 9/11 but this was terrorism at its most effective.

ARKHE

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 24, 2013, 08:05:46 AM
Sweden Democrats is the name of party. Very popular, but appears to be kind of shut out of normal politics? Perhaps not in same way as Golden Dawn in Greece, though?

"Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives". If citizen happen to question what exactly it is that makes one swedish or qualify as citizen, I guess most rate those people to far right...?

Right wing populists, like all other around Europe (all problems in society can be fixed by choking the inflow of immigrants) - though probably less extreme than most European parties; especially Golden Dawn and similar, they're outright fascists, right? I think they want to be called "social conservatives" or sth similar, but in the end they're just riding the wave of poor economy/general distrust for ordinary politics - and few of the mainstream politicians wants to get their hands dirty by collaborating with them. They are pro-Israel (anti-Islam), as opposed to the more antisemite movements in Eastern Europe. Guess their most important political issue is in determining exactly who is an "eligible citizen". Ex-skinheads in suits, most of them appear (as with so many other politicians) supremely unqualified for their jobs.
And just like the London murder turn people to EDL, SD and their ilk are the only ones winning from the riots & turmoil in the suburbs (if not in Stockholm, then in Malmö last year, or Gothenburg or whatever).

bitewerksMTB

Are immigrants just allowed into Europe/UK with no background checks or applying for citizenship? Can an American or Canadian move over easily or do you have to be from somewhere awful?

When the Occupy idiots started, they had a list of demands including all debt stricken, free college, free money if you unemployed, free healthcare, & open borders- anyone from anywhere, no questions asked. That would create 'hundreds of millions' of jobs.

HongKongGoolagong

Quote from: bitewerksMTB on May 24, 2013, 09:09:31 PM
Are immigrants just allowed into Europe/UK with no background checks or applying for citizenship? Can an American or Canadian move over easily or do you have to be from somewhere awful?

It's pretty difficult for anyone to immigrate into the EU unless you have some kind of family connection already here, whether you're North American or from elsewhere. We do get people coming on student visas and disappearing into casual work.

Travel within the EU is very easy and there's a whole other can of worms of cultural differences regarding those from poorer (usually Eastern European) nations working in the wealthier countries.