Devotional Music // Folk

Started by online prowler, June 24, 2012, 06:47:08 PM

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online prowler

This thread is dedicated to devotional and folk music. May it be barren and cold, or a negotiation with nature- or a bridge for the last mentioned. Personally I have my eyes towards to Scandinavia and the east, mainly: Asia, India and the eastern parts of ol' mother Russia. Throat-singing, ragas and vocal procurement of history and sagas- to mention a few. A lot of the electronic music composed in the '60s and '70s where highly influenced by devotional and folk music. Here we can mention both Radigue and Oliveros. In this context this thread can be both a honing to spiritual music, but also a link towards electronic composers and topics, shared and discussed. I start of with a short selection. Some of these you might know from before, nevertheless ...


Pandit Pran Nath.
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Pandit+Pran+Nath

Documentary on PPN.
http://www.ubu.com/film/nath_notes.html

Sounds plus.
http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp_a=sp10042f50&sp_q=Pandit+Pran+Nath&sp_p=all&sp_f=UTF-8


Buddhadev Das Gupta.


Concert part I.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0Eo9Vg-pD0

Concert part II.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzRsMJRsViE

Concert no. 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaCq-P83Sx8&feature=related


Hans Brimi & Pernille Anker - Blå Tonar Fra Lom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqnU4VI61TQ


Buddist Munks of Maitri Vihar.

Sounds 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMJ5EekER-E

Sounds 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoBs6MwxP60

Sounds 3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-lhp9e29v4

Sounds 4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp2PKbLfplE


ghoulson

Maybe someone would like "Jola Rota" by Joakim Skogsberg....

"First time official reissue of one of Sweden's greatest and sadly unknown psychedelic treasure is this sole album by Joakim Skogsberg out of 1971. Tiliqua acquired the exclusive rights to this gem and this reissue comes with a remastered sound taken directly from the original master tapes and with the kind assistance of Mr. Joakim Skogsberg himself. The album "Jola Rota" is about Joakim Skogsberg's love for the grandiose Swedish landscapes, which has put its imprint upon his songs. On "Jola Rota" Joakim single-handedly created a minimal psychedelic and acid folk masterpiece infused with incredible soundscapes of derailed fuzzed out violins, soaring guitars, rattling hand percussion, droning vocals and pulsating bass rhythms, complimented by Joakim's "jolor", a special singing style with roots in an ancient Swedish tradition of folk music. The album was for the most part recorded out in the woods, with a portable Nagra-reel-to-reel-tape recorder and a simple Philips-cassette recorder. Upon completion it was suggested for the album to appear on Gump Records, a subsidiary of Metronome. The reason was that the music was just too underground and weird to be in Metronome's register. Apart from Joakim's original recordings, some overdubs and effects were done in the studio during the autumn of 1971. Some of the droning sounds on the record were recorded in a tiny closet in Kärrtorp; a suburb to Stockholm where Joakim was living at the time. The album was pressed into approximately 1000 copies and only about 300 to 400 copies were actually sold. The rest of them were melted down and used in the pressing of other Gump records, making "Jola Rota" a much rumoured and sought after Swedish droned-out and mesmerizing psychedelic artefact. This edition "Jola Rota" comes housed in high quality sturdy hard card mini-LP styled gatefold sleeve. Original artwork is faithfully reproduced and previously unpublished archival pictures can be found within the liner notes and gatefold. The liner notes are by the hand of Adam Gustafsson. Digitally remastered from the original master tapes and graced with faithfully reproduced artwork and obi. One time only limited pressing."
(Tiliqua)

Zeno Marx

Do you consider Indian classical (tabla, sarod, flute, sitar, etc) to be devotional?  Want to be clear what you're looking for here.
"the overindulgent machines were their children"
I only buy vinyl, d00ds.

NEHPF

I wouldn't really consider all indian classical as devotional, but for example Pandit Pran Nath is definitely devotional.

I'm going for the obvious now and praise Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, there's hardly anything more spiritual and more touching music in the world.

online prowler

#4
I use the term devotional music in its broadest sense, here incl. for instance Indian classical music, which as well is has folk origins. Not correct towards terminology, yes, but rather a personal standpoint. I am more interested in the music's functionality and artistic/spiritual fundament, rather than forms of classification- which I am not too keen on in general. It enables predetermination and a narrow-minded viewpoint and experience, as well as a distancing from the music- and artist's own fundament and function. What this thread could be is up to us all. I don't want to put too much of a guidance on material or subject matter. Everybody should include what each one see fit. In its own right, the following posts to come will serve as a reference and understanding within this community.    

Signing off with Sigrid Randers-Pehrson's interpretation of an old North-Norwegian riddle folk-song/ballade, Svein svane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iptCDfYxxLw

Andrew McIntosh

Shikata ga nai.

kettu

what does devotional mean in this context. religious stuff?

I got into a recent guy recreating really old jams: luc arbogast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrrBPBNwYWU he might be a castrate, like in the good old days.

I aplied for a job to digitize tapes at kansallismuseo or what ever it was but never heard back.
theres a bunch of cool field recs of the last real kantele players,crying women etc but it seems they will turn to dust before theyll be available anywhere.



bitewerksMTB

Recordings of crying women or recordings of crying women plucking the stringed Finnish instrument?

I want that gizmo the baldheaded guy is playing.


online prowler

#8
Great image Kettu. if you have more please share, and especially if you have an online link (if there is) to the archive you refer to.

Firstly I am not an expert on devotional music. I don't intend to define a terminology, only to view my personal standpoint. My connection to devotional is more of an artistic and musical interest re own praxis. This, combined w a resonance towards nature being from a small community, pop. ca. 2000, in the Northern hemisphere. Here, nature, its presence and resources have governed economy, culture, psychology, spirituality, plus- for as long has man has been present in the region. Archeology have dated settlements to early stone age, but there where probably nomads before this time.

Devotional for me is connected to spirituality and nature. This, in the form of a person being a generator of occurrence, a living archive (for culture or nature), a lengthing of nature, or as a point of reference for others (living, dead, or to be)- to name a few. To a large degree all examples mentioned fundaments the performer's/artist's own self-annihilation, or sacrifice of own self. The context could for instance be: In direct presentation of a work, or as a carrier/vessel/bridge for the experience/faith/individual he or she narrates; from the past, to the now, for the future. The self-annihilation is effected when the artist is being an extension of what he represents. In this sense, the performer transgresses the performing setting to some degree, just as much as he is handing further the content he is the carrier for. So one can say it is a form of connections between time, generation and space. I find this context highly interesting. Some similarities can be found in transgressive art and noise culture as well. Others can maybe recognize this sense as connected to loosing someone in the family, or being a parent.

This is just my own take on it, very short and generally written. Hope it makes some sense. In overall view I think it is safe to say that there are a multitude of aspects that can define what is devotional, and what is not. Maybe one needs to study and understand the environment and culture form where the actual diamonds originate, in order to have a clear view of what it represents and what its functions are. The history of Asia, Europe, plus are quite different and complex. Personally I don't have the total vista, but I think it is possible to divulge two types of devotional insignias: One that is connected to history, civilization and dogma, the other connected to nature, nomadism and shamanistic culture. At points, at least now in the present, either propositions mixes and dilutes.  


Wikipedia states this (a bad reference, nevertheless as an overview to be understood in the context of history, civilization and dogma):    

A devotional song is a hymn which accompanies religious observances and rituals. Each major religion has its own tradition with devotional hymns. In the West, the devotional has been a part of the liturgy in Roman Catholicism, the Greek Orthodox Church, the Russian Orthodox Church, and others, since their earliest days. A devotional is a part of the prayer service proper and is not, in these contexts, ornamentation. During the Protestant Reformation, church music in general was hotly debated. Some Puritans objected to all ornament and sought to abolish choirs, hymns, and, inasmuch as liturgy itself was rejected, devotionals. In Eastern and Near-Eastern religions, devotionals can function as communion prayer and meditation. These are sung in particular rhythms which are sustained over a prolonged period to give practitioners a mystical experience.

kettu

#9
Quote from: online prowler on June 26, 2012, 03:02:32 AM
Great image Kettu. if you have more please share, and especially if you have an online link (if there is) to the archive you refer to.

as far as I know there is no online presence of music collections but theres other things http://suomenmuseotonline.fi/en


in the US theres a few I know. library of congress is online. I dont remember if you have to register and digital library of appalachia. the appalachia one had, when I browsed through it clips! of audio. from 45seconds to a few minutes .

another good place to start http://www.discogs.com/label/Ocora  
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewHQwPcPlsA&
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4GOzsv70pc&

from  niger


tiny_tove

#10
The whole NIGGUN thing is really interesting, endless repetition of non verbal sounds that that help reaching a trance like status.
This is common to several religions/cults, but I find interesting the attempt of making it somehow "pop" -although folk is definitely a better definition:
This is an interesting example, despite them looking extremely funny (esp. the guy who keeps screaming "shut the dooor!"), definitely gets what I mean:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2HJujss3CM

Studio version is not as good. I would like to get the original version of Rebeb Shlomo Carlebach, the singing Rabbi, who mixed modern folk with devotional chanting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYn6yxzuBzI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPbNv4g-kRM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwqFNDxoqzI (quite epic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BziayMHPYAo


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tiny_tove

another obsession of mine

sufi chanting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT8_H6TUw54&feature=related

Go to minute three. Claudio Mutti is a wellknown name of the Italian radical right who turned to Islam, but I posted this for the Sufi part is impressive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJNbAAQSAVU

¨http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9_RzdUfaWs&feature=related
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tiny_tove


Tenores de Bitti - Sardinian poliphonic chanting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n82xfInmIHk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2yP0DmN3BE

this is a more political track about preservation of Sardinian language (a proper language and not just a dialect, "Sa Limba")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj2IHi3r4Z8
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tiny_tove

Corsican "gospel"
Also here strong use of poliphonic voices, although in a less aggressive way than Sardinian singers.

A filetta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYBaiCCm-WA

Corsican gospel of the 17th century
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jam_YctN34&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLF73B3D621C1780F5
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tiny_tove

Back to Italy, between Lazio/Campania area

Ambrogio Sparagna, one of the best folk author/interpreter of traditional music.
Strong religious contents, although often very "jolly".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKWETMsD3SA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9I5AF4hkVE&feature=related (my fave)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Jtg9Y8_kh4 with Giovanni lindo ferretti of CCCP/CSI fame
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