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« Reply #585 on: January 09, 2020, 11:06:51 PM »

The only good book about black metal is Jon Metalion' Slayer fanzine anthology as far as I'm concerned. You get all the facts and evolution of the scene at the time they happened by an insider who doesn't need to try to get more credit by making shit it up, blowing things out of proportion or anything. He was there, he was friends with everyone, he chronicled it on time, from before its beginning to after it shook the entire world. The parts between the fanzines in the anthology are as authentic as it can get. Of course, he doesn't review or mention EVERYTHING so don't expect to read about say, the Polish TOF for instance. But when it comes to facts (and that's what history is about, right?), this is it. Everything else I read is biased as far as I'm concerned, and I don't see the point in publishing books that read like messageboards with guys trying to one-up each other, which black metal has always been about (well 97% of the time that is.)

There's a very fine line between aesthetics and posturing and the balance used to be right up until 20 years ago, I think. I mean, posturing was very much present in fanzines and band's attitudes but the outreach was pretty tiny. I think the internet changed the BM scene entirely and that music isn't enough to make bands stand out anymore because it's so much easier to record and put out music, to spread it worldwide too, and the overwhelming amount of information available does that to be remembered, bands need to focus on the posturing. And the internet amplifies trends too. I remember the time when Osmose couldn't even sell Blasphemy CDs for 2€ (I sure never bought any) and nobody really cared about them. Same with NSBM or war metal. It takes one intense nerd with a genuine interest and smart marketing strategies (and a few other people with good intuition) to change the course of everything, as evidenced by the bands that always get mentioned again and again and again on the messageboards he's not responsible for, as if any other BM bands had never existed for the last 35 years.

All this rant to say that I would take every book on BM with a grain of salt because they're always written with some  agenda behind them and that the evolution/explosion of the scene from the underground as well as the people dwelling in it make everything  difficult to trust or accept as true when it comes to facts. But they're good fun when it comes to fan fiction of course.

And thanks, ConcreteMascara, my pleasure.
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« Reply #586 on: January 09, 2020, 11:38:07 PM »

I don't know much about black metal, so I don't know the context of anything here.  It's interesting to hear about it.  Thanks, folks.  I do know that Trym on Frost, and I feel on most things he did, is crazy good.  And that Kvist's album is amazing and definitely makes it on my top black metal list.  A masterpiece indeed.

I thought to ask about this the other day, so here goes:  what's the deal with Mystískaos and and the closed Fallen Empire Records?  Their updates seem so odd.  Again, I know little about black metal, especially post-2000.  I don't know who is posturing, who is genuine, who can simply write a good story, or what.  I do think the Mystískaos aesthetic is nice looking, but whoopie-ding.  Any opinions or info?
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« Reply #587 on: January 10, 2020, 01:04:27 AM »

I have been pretty confounded by Fallen Empire's transition to Mystikaos and the surrounding cryptic communications. I can say that Arnaut Pavle and Serpent Column are good though. That 3x10 Lluvia record he put out on Fallen Empire was excellent too. It is a shame most Lluvia material sells for such insane amounts, one of the better acts of the past few years, excellent live, too.
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« Reply #588 on: January 10, 2020, 01:19:44 AM »

About books-As eurothrash wrote, Metalions book is supreme. Also the collected issues of Isten and Voices from the Darkside is good if you want the old zines collected with info from the actual time. Psicoterror and Cnadian Assault was also recently collected, but maybe this more for diehards. About more recent "looking back" books i found the Blood Fire Death book and the finnish one good, most of the others provide outsiders perspective and superficial info mostly. A lot of old good zines is getting collected in books these days.


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« Reply #589 on: January 10, 2020, 03:59:44 AM »

I’ll third or fourth that Slayer mag anthology is worth your time and little else is. Lords of Chaos is interesting but definitely flawed and focuses more on the sensationalist aspects than anything to do with the actual music.

I would suggest looking into the South American and Greek scenes - Norwegian second wave is cool but I’m biased in that I don’t rate the US scene all that highly.... the Greeks had Rotting Christ, Varathron, Thou Art Lord, Necromantia.... all killer!

South America you’ve got a more thrashy bunch of bands: Masacre, Mystifier, Hadez, Holocausto, Mortuario, Mutilator, Genocidio, Sarcofago, Reencarnación, early Sepultura, Necrofafo, Necrobutcher.... I’d  also suggest Anal Vomit “Demonic Flagellations” as a total later era banger.

Also Voor, Damnation, Soothsayer and the rest of the early Québécois scene had some total slappers. The Voor demo is one of the greatest things ever recorded.

Also Poison (Germany) “Into the Abyss” is one of the most savage things ever recorded.

I’m biased  to raw/demo type recordings and scenes rather than that keyboard intro shit or spooky robe stuff though.
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« Reply #590 on: January 10, 2020, 09:43:54 AM »

I’m biased in that I don’t rate the US scene all that highly...

While the current trends in USBM suck, it's a pity as there are absolutely killer bands coming from the US. From Absu (who were more than greatly influenced by Greek BM) to Profanatica (and the first Havohej album), Judas Iscariot, Bloodstorm, Black Funeral, Demoncy, Night Conquers Day, etc etc...
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« Reply #591 on: January 12, 2020, 02:41:10 AM »

i have admittedly been only fucking with noise for years. i never fucked with metal because i honestly thought it was weaker than noise and i felt on a quest for the most extreme shit i could find.  now as the years go on i am seriously only recently ADDICTED to this whole world i've waited to explore. ofcourse in past i have fucked with bands that crossed over into noise world like RIDE FOR REVENGE, CLANDESTINE BLAZE, INTOLITARION, BEHERIT. but recently theres much more i've been loving and appreciating like never before. i will never give up on noise but its cool to find another genre that holds up anger-wise.

In the last month i have read THE DEVILS CRADLE which is a history of Finnish black metal. highly recommend it. REcenlty picked up the feral house swedish book BLOOD FIRE DEATH at quimby's in chicago (everyone going to GO in april should go there). . havent read it yet but am looking forward to.

im posting to ask of other suggestions for books on black metal history. i feel like a noob but its exciting..... recently fucking with warloghe, satanic warmaster, musta surma. you get the picture only Finnish rn but ready for more.. any recommendations for books/ artist would be cool. also bear in mind i like to own physical media so vothana ect i fuck with but dont care to suck the dick.



100% agree with everyone that's suggested that you check out zine comp books rather than books about the genre.

As for music, my personal favorites are the Finnish, Greek, South American, and Polish scenes. Bands and/or albums to check from each:

Finnish: Barathrum "Eerie", Impaled Nazarene "Tol Cormpt Norz Norz Norz", Hail-any, Dead Reptile Shrine-any, Witchcraft, Ceremonial Torture, Flooded Church of Asmodeus, Black Crucifixion "Fallen One of Flames"

Greek: Varathron "His Majesty at the Swamp", Necromantia "Crossing the Fiery Path", Rotting Christ "Thy Mighty Contract", Tatir, Zephyrous "Entrance and Wandering on the Seven Zones"

South America: Sarcófago "INRI", Holocausto "Campo de Exterminio", Sextrash "Sexual Carnage", Vulcano "Bloody Vengeance", Asaradel "...Of Sathanas / Avernus / Perpetuating The Law", Behemoth "Malignant Temple of Goat", Necrobutcher "Schizophrenic Noisy Torment"

Poland: Graveland "Carpathian Wolves" & "Following the Voice of Blood", Fullmoon "United Aryan Evil", Veles "Night on Bare Mountain", Infernum "Tar Nu Fuin", Legion "Blood On My Knife", Capricornus "Stahlgewitter", Thor's Hammer "The Fate Worse Than Death"

Various other countries: Nåstrond "Toteslaut", Mortuary Drape "All the Witches Dance",  Osculum Infame "Dor Nu Fauglith", Spear of Longinus "The Yoga of National Socialism" & "...and the Swastikalotus", Seigneur Voland "Consumatum Est", Kristallnacht "Blooddrenched Memorial", Absurd "Facta Loquntuur" & "Asgardsrei", Goatlord "Goatlord".

Personal picks, opinions are like assholes etc.
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« Reply #592 on: January 12, 2020, 04:29:55 PM »

One interesting aspect of black metal, which may or may not exist only in my head, is that it is often much better than the people involved in it. There are multiple albums and whole discographies which are extremely effective musically, aesthetically and on some level even intellectually, even though the people responsible for the music are terrible. I won't do examples, simply because fl4ming people online has become tired and gross. For protocol, I should add that I obviously don't mean this in some "terrible opinions"/"toxic trash human being" sort of way, but simply that many BM people who have made awesome albums are pretty dull folks. This is of course nothing particular for black metal, but I think the average difference between human quality/type and musical output is bigger than with other genres. If you take something like Vegan HC, modern left-wing punk or for that matter "white power" RAC stuff, the music usually corresponds pretty perfectly to the people who do it - largely steretypical dudes and dudettes with minds about as developed as the music (hence also maturing at least somewhat with the years). With black metal I've met tons of people involved with absolutely awesome projects, with whom I wouldn't want to have a five minute conversation.

Again, this could be a misinterpretation of things rooted in my experiences (I've spent more time with black metal people than with any other subcultural group, except perhaps industrial noise), and in the fact that I appreciate black metal far more than most "radical" vego-punk or RAC. Still, perhaps there is something to it?
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« Reply #593 on: January 12, 2020, 04:51:55 PM »

which may or may not exist only in my head


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« Reply #594 on: January 12, 2020, 06:16:28 PM »

I think it is absolutely true.
That art can be way more flawless than men who created it.
I would not say it is clearest in BM, though.
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« Reply #595 on: January 12, 2020, 07:32:53 PM »

listening to the newest nyogthaeblisz offering rn, a little late maybe, i really like it... most bands who try to this ultra-noisey black/death/"war" metal thing is usually boring in my eyes, but this hit the spot for some reason. maybe its just the going-all-the-way all out insanity of it, only matched by maybe vvorld vvithout end. for me, a very pleasant suprise!
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« Reply #596 on: January 12, 2020, 10:03:50 PM »

If you take something like Vegan HC, modern left-wing punk or for that matter "white power" RAC stuff, the music usually corresponds pretty perfectly to the people who do it - largely steretypical dudes and dudettes with minds about as developed as the music (hence also maturing at least somewhat with the years).

This could perhaps be because these genres you describe is more about spreading a specific and clear message while black metal is quite more diverse with tons of sub genres?

On topic of music recommendations i have been really into the new Reveal album lately. Perhaps more psychotic and off kilter death metal, but fucking awesome nevertheless.

https://reveal-svr.bandcamp.com/album/scissorgod
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« Reply #597 on: January 12, 2020, 10:12:12 PM »

Wolves Among Sheep is hard to find, but a lengthy history of NSBM.
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Bought it last year from the publisher, they probably have copies, the finnish bm book is also very good.
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« Reply #598 on: January 13, 2020, 05:53:01 PM »

true

I think it is absolutely true.
That art can be way more flawless than men who created it.
I would not say it is clearest in BM, though.

Even without expanding the scope to "art" in general but just looking at "popular music" my idea starts looking quite iffy. There are quite a few catchy, convincing and effective rock/hard rock songs, which does undermine my thesis quite a bit. This massive rift between musical and personal quality may in fact be limited to demo stage Swedish black metal in the 90's. Oh, well. Most ambitious value systems tend to falter as time rolls on.
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« Reply #599 on: January 14, 2020, 03:01:12 PM »

Wolves Among Sheep is hard to find, but a lengthy history of NSBM.
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Bought it last year from the publisher, they probably have copies, the finnish bm book is also very good.

Finnish Black Metal book is just about sold out. I took all the remaining of the print run. Both Finnish and English version last copies are available from nhfastore.  I have sold probably 100+ of Wolves Among Sheep. Should ask to get few more to distro. I was told by publisher that vast majority of dealers refused to sell it due assuming it would bring some trouble. Most sold first batch to most anxious customers, but never dared to keep it available. I think book is good historical document, that nobody should be ashamed or too worried to distribute.
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