Quote from: Phenol on August 13, 2022, 12:59:52 PM
To Goat93: In the BDN topic I mainly reacted to the complete cluelessness about industrial among a good portion of the audience. That line of thought brought me to think about the importance of backgrounds for understanding genres. I have many friends who predominantly listen to metal and most of them have this idea about "music" and "bands" and "composition" as their way of understanding what comes out of the speakers, you know, comments like "what an awesome drummer" or "wow, what a solo". But for someone with a background in industrial/noise/experimental there would be a different expectation and understanding of sound not bound exclusively to that "rockist" approach. I think that must do something to the way people approach the making of music/sound too, like the way they judge whether this sounds "good" or not to their ears, the way they "compose"? I actually appreciate all the bands/artists you mention. I am not anti metal but only like certain types that have very little to do with heavy metal/rock. Nothing alienates me more that a band who puts on a show to entertain their audience. I basically think the rockist mentality is in direct opposition to the spirit of industrial and from that came the admittedly very sharply cut topic idea. And it worked, it provoked some discussion as intended and all your comments and perspectives are appreciated.
Actualy i don't see the Connection between it, since Of the Wand is Neofolk and if someon went to a Gig for this Band, the other Bands are unimportant. Has nothing to do with "should like it" or not. Even in the same Genre its quiet common to attend to the Shows of the Bands, they like and went off the others. Pretty common and normal gesture in all Genres.
To the Question itself, since there were always Connections between the Genres build by the Musicians, its pretty hard to separate them. If you only look for the Chlichees and the Picture from the Outside, its pretty easy to make everything Black White and separate them. If you look into it, its not even possible anymore. Industrial was a Heavy Influence in Extreme Music all the Time.
In the 90tes all Genres broke up to survive and took charge in other Genres to mix everything in the wider Commercial Aspect, for example the Metal/Folk Stuff or the Techno/Indutstrial Stuff pops up. Also the EBM/Metal Hybrids ect ect. There were no "Background" Genre from the Start on, People listened to all kind of Music they like and ignored the Rest. from Slipknot to Burzum was a natually short step. From Morbid Angel to Throbbing Gristle, Impaled Nazarene to NON was also pretty normal. Also from Anal Cunt to Merzbow.The Idea, Metalheads think Wumpscut is Industrial and are idiots i can relate to, The Idea New "Industria/Noisel" Idiots are pretty low profile Techno Kiddys were also correct for a long time. But its just a small Part of all. Dominik Fernow or Hendrik Nordvargr are good examples for the wider Part of the Scenes and their Mixture.
edit: And for me a very important note.
There were no real definitions about Noise and Power Electronics. You can get a Grey Wolves Tape with Music from the 20-30thies with some Background Noise also total Full Blast and both went under Power Electronics. Or some Guitar Noise to real Guitar playing Structure or just Harsh Noise from the same Artist. Noise was always the Freedom of doing everything and have no Borders at all. Only the Customer build the Borders, like the Metal Fans or Goth Rock Fans or or or....
