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Author Topic: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)  (Read 45471 times)
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« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2013, 05:50:06 AM »

Been meaning to post in this thread since it's inception, just read through it again and realized that I hadn't. Stay behind/Gladio stuff is one of my obsessions.

My two cents to add to this deals with how I first came to know about the Piazza bombing and whatnot.

Debord and Gianfranco Sanguinetti, during the death throes of the SI, wrote a pamphlet titled Rapporto veridico sulle ultime opportunità di salvare il capitalismo in Italia which claimed that the Piazza bombing and similar false flag attacks were supported by the ruling class in Italy as a means of safeguarding the nation from communism. This is when everybody took it for granted that the attacks were carried out by leftists.

I've long been of the opinion that Debord's financier, the french media mogul Gérard Lebovici, through connections with French elites, somehow found out about these false flag attacks and passed the information on to Debord and Sanguinetti, and when they later revealed themselves to be the authors of the pamphlet, this was figured out which eventually led to Lebovici's assassination ten or so years later. They tried to pin the assassination on Debord (who uncharacteristically, and successfully, sued for defamation) claiming that he was upset with Lebovici for his reluctance to finance a film project for him. I don't know, it's probably just paranoia on my part, but that's somehow always made sense in my mind. It could have been an Italian contact of the SI who tipped them off, when no one else seemed to be aware of the ongoings besides the conspirators, but my theory at least would make the assassination of Lebovici make some sort of sense.


On an unrelated note, the Order of the Solar Temple has been linked by some to the stay behind networks, though I think the connection is tenuous at best, but that interests me as well on account of the Solar Temple activities in Quebec in the 90's when I was growing up, which have always held a particular fascination for me, if only for their proximity. Anyone have any info on OTS and Gladio/Stay Behind?
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« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2013, 08:59:40 AM »

get the two episodes of the French documentary "L'ORCHESTRE NOIR", the leading persons of Gladio (and related) are interviewed at length.

The esoteric connection to Gladio is very minimal, apart from some deviated freemasons groups who used the occult aspect just as a mantle for more business/political related purposes...

And here we should open a massive chapter regarding the notorious Loggia P2 and its grandmaster Licio Gelli, one of the leading characters in post-war eversion, but today I really can't.


There was also a "red gladio", but I do not know much about it.
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« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2013, 09:06:21 AM »

I'm pretty sure the connection made is that the OST was a gladio front organization, and not that it's some masonic/rosicrucian conspiracy at heart. Just like the P2, but I'll admit it does seem strange for the OST.
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« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2013, 11:16:22 AM »


On an unrelated note, the Order of the Solar Temple has been linked by some to the stay behind networks, though I think the connection is tenuous at best, but that interests me as well on account of the Solar Temple activities in Quebec in the 90's when I was growing up, which have always held a particular fascination for me, if only for their proximity. Anyone have any info on OTS and Gladio/Stay Behind?


If I recall correct the connection being that a bunch of right-wing terrorists had been staying at an OST villa in southern france and that there is suppose to be a intelligence connection to OST. It's been a couple of years since I read anything about them but the info was scant to say the least. 
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« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2013, 12:16:56 PM »

Jordan, try to find this documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr5iBFNQq8Y

I might have already posted it in the early post, it is one of the best docs on the subject.
Gladio were not just deviated right wing militants, but a bunch of goons that in the name of the "red danger" helped Italy (and big part of Europe) to become even more slaves to the US and its allies.
Most were democratic christians (even our ex- president Cossiga), who were convinced to defend Christian values and capitalism from a soon to happen communist invasion.

Most of the worst of Italian politics and economy sold us for servitude.
There were many people in good faith that compromised themselves for the greater good, but they are all accomplices to me.
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« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2013, 01:51:50 PM »

Jordan, try to find this documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr5iBFNQq8Y


In French http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xk47st_l-orchestre-noir-p2-mafia-et-terrorisme-d-etat-1-3_news#.UV66aKX7XEc

Anyone finds an English one please post.
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« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2014, 08:13:23 AM »

Some History of Quaderni Rossi from Steve Wright's excellent book on the Italian New Left Storming Heaven: Class Composition and struggle in Italian Autonomist Marxism, London: Pluto Press, 2002.

http://www.zerowork.org/QuaderniRossi.html
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« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2014, 10:33:05 PM »

Have to read up again on this thread. Thanx for the posting TT.
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« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2014, 01:11:40 AM »

Some History of Quaderni Rossi from Steve Wright's excellent book on the Italian New Left Storming Heaven: Class Composition and struggle in Italian Autonomist Marxism, London: Pluto Press, 2002.

http://www.zerowork.org/QuaderniRossi.html
Great book, probably the best I've found in English on the Italian ultraleft fractions during the Years of Lead.
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« Reply #39 on: October 29, 2014, 02:18:28 PM »

http://www.amazon.com/Terrorism-Italian-Style-Representations-Contemporary/dp/0854572287/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1414582335&sr=1-2&keywords=Italian+terrorism
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« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2014, 04:44:58 PM »


Tiny have you read it?
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« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2014, 09:39:20 PM »

http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/alfredo-m-bonanno-armed-joy
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« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2014, 02:12:57 PM »


nope going to order it soon!

Bonanno's pamphlet is a total classic and a must-read to understand violent anarchism in Italy.
Just purchase a MASSIVE book with many interviews with ex red brigades members. will post details as soon I will have the guts to start it... it is as big as a dictionary.
Started reading Ugo Maria Tassinari's Naufraghi, allegedly one of the best books ever on the radical right. I read most Ugo's books and they never disappointed me, but this seems to have one gear more!
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« Reply #43 on: November 01, 2014, 10:02:57 PM »

Bonanno's pamphlet is a total classic and a must-read to understand violent anarchism in Italy.
Just purchase a MASSIVE book with many interviews with ex red brigades members. will post details as soon I will have the guts to start it... it is as big as a dictionary.
Started reading Ugo Maria Tassinari's Naufraghi, allegedly one of the best books ever on the radical right. I read most Ugo's books and they never disappointed me, but this seems to have one gear more!

I used to read a LOT of Bonanno. He can get a bit incoherent, but Armed Joy is a great read, and definitely essential for context.

That book of ex-Red Brigade interviews sounds great, I doubt it will end up in English though, unfortunately for me. Same with Ugo Maria's books.
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« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2014, 10:12:23 PM »

Bonanno was still involved with bank robbing in Greece not so many years ago. I find very interesting all these militants that stiull have connection with criminal activities... there are several examples...
Some very intersting characters to look into:
- Pietro Cavallero (head of the Cavallero gang... with strong links with Communist/Trade union... there is an excellent movie inspired by him, LIzzani's Banditi a MIlano, with a superb Gian Maria Volontè)
- Sante Notarnicola, part of the same gang, he became a very wellknown poet he now has a bar in Bologna and still have strong links to anarchism/leftism.
- Horst Fantazzini, http://www.horstfantazzini.net/ legendary figure, robber, thief, gentleman, poet and anarchist. His biography is a TOTAL cult. KNown as the "kind bandit" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma7R7zVJ6Vg

There are several also on the right wing front.
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