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Title: Eurorack
Post by: HONOR_IS_KING! on September 14, 2017, 07:05:03 PM
Took the jump into the eurorack world and couldn't be more pleased with my results so far. Wondering if anyone else enjoys Eurorack and wants to discuss.


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on September 14, 2017, 07:25:29 PM
Thinking about getting into it in early 2018. I wish I could do it now but some of my stuff needs fixing before that. I've been spending way too much time on Modular Grid and Muffwiggler lately.




Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Drohgt on September 25, 2017, 02:43:55 PM
Ive been using it for 3 years now, its so much fun and inspiring.
I route everything to my pc for fx for now. Its great for noise and all kinds of weird music.
Totally obsessed with these modules http://synthmall.com/ifm/ got 3 of them atm
But bit hard to find


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: HONOR_IS_KING! on September 26, 2017, 09:11:26 PM
Totally obsessed with these modules http://synthmall.com/ifm/ got 3 of them atm
But bit hard to find

Any video showing what these little guys do? Ive seen them around but have no idea of what they really do.


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Drohgt on September 28, 2017, 11:40:49 AM
i think this is the best video
i got the sprott, its a filter with hp, bp, lp an cp (chaos pass) output. everything you put in has an effect on everything else. can be very chaotic an goes very fast in self oscillation. sounds realy great :D
i have the fourses and denum, but cant realy explain what they (video explain it of some sorts) do, you can use them as lfo's or oscilator and every input changes everything. it got very organic feel to it like its alive :)  thats what i like about it.


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Cementimental on September 29, 2017, 02:56:00 PM
My dream Eurorack setup:

(https://i.imgur.com/IWl2w3r.jpg)


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: HONOR_IS_KING! on September 29, 2017, 07:54:45 PM
i think this is the best video
i got the sprott, its a filter with hp, bp, lp an cp (chaos pass) output. everything you put in has an effect on everything else. can be very chaotic an goes very fast in self oscillation. sounds realy great :D
i have the fourses and denum, but cant realy explain what they (video explain it of some sorts) do, you can use them as lfo's or oscilator and every input changes everything. it got very organic feel to it like its alive :)  thats what i like about it.

Where's the link for the video?


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Drohgt on September 29, 2017, 08:42:44 PM
Oops

https://youtu.be/Kt59wqPwFDw


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Cementimental on June 19, 2018, 10:44:20 AM
Getting into this madness tho fortunately i can and will make a lot of stuff very cheaply. Been cynical about it for years but it makes a lot of sense in some ways, especially for DIY.

The scene is crazy. People paying more than my entire pedal setup for some single module that's just an op-amp datasheet circuit with a fancy minimalist faceplate :D and going crazy for modules that are just some 5v digital stuff that you could do with an arduino.

If anyone's selling a Doepfer Wasp filter for about £50 or less let me know


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Cementimental on June 19, 2018, 10:53:54 AM
http://ladik.ladik.eu/ - Loads of (relatively) cheap modules! Some basic useful stuff plus some unique and odd ones. Highly recommended based on the 2 i've bought. Seems fairly overlooked, are there any other similarly priced companies out there that I'm not hearing about because everyone'd rather obsess some $900 vco or other? :D


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: monotome on June 19, 2018, 03:36:41 PM
Nonlinearcircuits, Befaco, Złob Modular and Synthrotek makes some nice DIY kits/modules. Maybe not the sexiest, but should be pretty solid. If you don't mind to go small, there is always the Erica Synths Pico modules.

Or wait till Behinger comes with their line of Eurorack modules. They are on a roll with copying exciting synths and they want to jump on the hype.

But don't buy Behinger.

If anyone's selling a Doepfer Wasp filter for about £50 or less let me know
I'm actually going out of Eurorack and have all my modules for sale, if you are interested you can PM me.


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Cementimental on June 19, 2018, 06:14:27 PM
Thanks for the info. Ha yes I can't wait for the behringer ones :-/ hope they are as cheap and nasty as the pedals tho probably they will just be fairly reasonably priced by Eurorack standards. Still, the synth forum threads are going to be fun :D

Cool thanks will PM you


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: HONOR_IS_KING! on June 20, 2018, 06:32:56 PM
Welcome to hell fam.


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 21, 2018, 12:27:56 AM
Just got my first module yesterday, waiting for my case to come in... Fortunately I have enough semi-modular gear that can interact with it at the moment.

Cementimental, honestly, Arduino isn't so great soundwise. Teensy are ok but getting pricier and I believe that if you count the extra work and material you get to the price of Ladik modules (who definitely seem to do the trick.)  I personally don't see the point in constantly trying to buy the cheapest modules unless they're utilities because often quality matters soundwise and I'd rather buy an average semi modular with neutral personality for much cheaper instead, if I'm more into functions than a particular sound. But that's only my opinion (Serge/Buchla fan, here...)

Monotome/anyone, who's selling a Maths? I'd love one with a black panel (I seriously hate Make Noise's designs but Maths has more functions and is easier to use than a DUSG clone for instance...)


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: monotome on June 21, 2018, 09:01:48 PM
Didn't went deep enough down the rabbit hole, so no MN stuff from me! 


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Cementimental on June 21, 2018, 10:10:45 PM
Cementimental, honestly, Arduino isn't so great soundwise.

Yeah that was kind of hyperbole... just find it odd that for a format geared up to perfect 12v analog synthesis people are so excited about all this fairly basic DSP stuff.


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 22, 2018, 12:14:51 AM
Monotome, no worries!

Cementimental, I think Eurorack is a world in between plenty of platforms. It's for the people who can't afford the crazy expensive stuff, enjoy the gadget thing you won't find in 5U, and don't want to learn how Serge works. I feel like it's often less about the sound and more about the options you have to do things with it. That's not where my interest lies but to each their own I suppose...


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Cementimental on July 02, 2018, 05:18:22 PM
yeah true it is interesting in that regard. i'm especially interested in the possibilities of incorporating live video fx and synthesis into modular setups. The LZX stuff looks amazing for this but I'm planning to DIY it, some simple Composite to VGA hacks i've tried in the past will lend them well to converting analog video to seperate RGB signals to be wrecked by other modules then recombined :)


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on July 03, 2018, 07:29:17 AM
That's an extremely interesting area I haven't explored at all but I'd rather not do so as I think I have enough nerdy and time-consuming interests at the moment. It does look amazing though.


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: theworldisawarfilm on July 19, 2018, 02:04:50 AM
 Would be interested to hear about people's experiences with DIYing modules from kits, good kits to start with etc. I seem to get the impression that more utilitarian modules like a simple VCA etc. would be relatively easy to DIY? After using VCV Rack extensively over the past few months I think I would like to put together a small (84-104 hp) flesh & bone system based around the MI Clouds. TALK TO ME, PEOPLE.


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Cementimental on July 19, 2018, 08:57:24 AM
Yeah go for it. If you are a total beginner to soldering maybe start with something really simple like a passive mult or something

Eurorack kits seem a bit on the expensive side to me but there is usually the option to buy just the PCB and the front panel then source your own components, which would make sense for simpler builds.
A couple of stores dedicated to this approach: http://www.frequencycentral.co.uk/ https://pushermanproductions.com/

kits in general https://www.thonk.co.uk/ https://modularaddict.com/ etc etc



Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Cementimental on August 16, 2018, 11:30:27 AM
UPDATE: i got a Wasp... haven't had any time to even do much of anything with my modular recently... started building the world's smallest eurorack :D

(https://i.imgur.com/hgcVBA2.jpg?1)

Nobody's mentioned this yet I don't think: https://x1l3.bigcartel.com/ specifically Harsh Noise/Power Electronics modules ! Look great.



Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Cementimental on August 16, 2018, 12:24:47 PM
Also Feedback Modules' "PRE" series - clones of some classic mixer preamps/channel strips - look great, prob will get the kit of at least one of these: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=163228


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: HONOR_IS_KING! on August 17, 2018, 09:13:34 AM
UPDATE: i got a Wasp... haven't had any time to even do much of anything with my modular recently... started building the world's smallest eurorack :D

(https://i.imgur.com/hgcVBA2.jpg?1)

Nobody's mentioned this yet I don't think: https://x1l3.bigcartel.com/ specifically Harsh Noise/Power Electronics modules ! Look great.



Is this a standalone 1U case? If so bravo! I remember on muffwigglers seeing someone posting a full 1U system (apart from buying them all seperately).


I recently got me a Piston Honda and it really really has got the edge in terms of aggressive low end and hyper active high end. Fucking menacing.


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Cementimental on August 17, 2018, 10:08:17 AM
It is indeed :) I have an LFO kit on the way then the 3rd space will make a DIY 1u from one or two of the Electric Druid or DSPsynthesisers digital ICs i ordered ages ago, a noise source and maybe something else if there's room


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: bibleblack on September 14, 2018, 10:12:18 PM
UPDATE: i got a Wasp... haven't had any time to even do much of anything with my modular recently... started building the world's smallest eurorack :D

(https://i.imgur.com/hgcVBA2.jpg?1)

Nobody's mentioned this yet I don't think: https://x1l3.bigcartel.com/ specifically Harsh Noise/Power Electronics modules ! Look great.



X1l3 modules are great I have Shard and Wreckage they are monsters really recommended.

I really like eurorack for making noise and the second hand market is really good, the price drop makes it really affordable (when buying second hand) and the amount out there means that you can get what you want with out much hassle.


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Cementimental on October 19, 2018, 04:06:49 PM
Got something like a functional setup now (albeit still in a cardboard box case ha), fun times so far. got the doepfer FX send/return module the other day so can soon get into incorporating this into pedal setups which was my main aim for eurorack stuff to begin with

https://www.facebook.com/cementimental/videos/548255465644517 yeah sorry facebook video :-/


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Cementimental on March 06, 2019, 03:14:58 PM
Built an RSR resistor ladder DAC module, suuper easy and seems really promising. Just a cheap mult panel i picked up on a whim, cheap chinese jacks, handful of 10 and 20k resistors chained from the top jack to ground at the bottom. Stole the idea from here - https://www.olegtron.com/olegtron-r2r-1 - which explains the principles and use better than i can.

It's basically a kind of weighted fixed mixer, where the volume of signals is related to where in the chain you plug them in. If you give it multiple square waves you get interesting stepped waveforms, if you give it other stuff you get other weirdness, and you can use any jack as an input or an output :) my kind of thing

(https://i.imgur.com/8EZqW1u.jpg)

need to get my head around whether it would make any sense at all to build a matrix version and if so buiild one :)


Also brought the Eurorack out live for the first time for Cementimental gig in Leeds. :)


(https://i.imgur.com/4uvp3TZ.jpg)

it's 2019 this forum really needs to start scaling large images


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on March 06, 2019, 07:16:38 PM
That sounds really nice and a project I could get into. Mults are always useful, and weird ones even more. I just got an O_C and a Temps Utile in the mail. I need mults because 4 outputs on the O_C aren't enough haha. And I need mults for my Maths too. I've only filled 4.5U of my 12U 114hp rack yet...



Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Harvest on March 06, 2019, 08:52:58 PM
it's 2019 this forum really needs to start scaling large images

c'mon man, just post a hyperlink.


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: theworldisawarfilm on April 05, 2019, 02:49:35 AM
Paid my taxes like a good lad and put the return money towards building a small (48 HP) system. I won't bother saying anything else until things start trickling in next week, but I am excited.


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on April 05, 2019, 07:23:04 AM
You should be!

If I may, it's a veeeery wise decision to start small and go slow. The learning curve can be pretty intense so in my humble opinion, it's important to start with a small setup and a few simple modules to learn the bases.
Have fun!


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Cementimental on April 05, 2019, 01:44:38 PM
today recieved a 2nd hand Ladik Rom Player and this affordable filter kit :) https://omsonic.co.uk/product/omsonic-transistor-ladder-filter-full-kit/


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: theworldisawarfilm on April 05, 2019, 03:59:14 PM
You should be!

If I may, it's a veeeery wise decision to start small and go slow. The learning curve can be pretty intense so in my humble opinion, it's important to start with a small setup and a few simple modules to learn the bases.
Have fun!


First-time eurorack owner, but I am an Electroacoustics major and actually study modular synthesis at Uni lol. Our department has a rather large Doepfer system. I was actually going to mention in my prior post how satisfying it feels to be able to create a system which meets your own specific needs--48 HP is really all I need! 


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on April 05, 2019, 06:28:52 PM
You should be!

If I may, it's a veeeery wise decision to start small and go slow. The learning curve can be pretty intense so in my humble opinion, it's important to start with a small setup and a few simple modules to learn the bases.
Have fun!


First-time eurorack owner, but I am an Electroacoustics major and actually study modular synthesis at Uni lol. Our department has a rather large Doepfer system. I was actually going to mention in my prior post how satisfying it feels to be able to create a system which meets your own specific needs--48 HP is really all I need! 

That's awesome. I have friends who did the same at the local school (electroacoustic classes) and there's a Synthi there! 48HP is too small for me, I like wide modules on which I can wiggle a lot...


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: theworldisawarfilm on April 06, 2019, 08:13:10 PM
You should be!

If I may, it's a veeeery wise decision to start small and go slow. The learning curve can be pretty intense so in my humble opinion, it's important to start with a small setup and a few simple modules to learn the bases.
Have fun!


First-time eurorack owner, but I am an Electroacoustics major and actually study modular synthesis at Uni lol. Our department has a rather large Doepfer system. I was actually going to mention in my prior post how satisfying it feels to be able to create a system which meets your own specific needs--48 HP is really all I need! 

That's awesome. I have friends who did the same at the local school (electroacoustic classes) and there's a Synthi there! 48HP is too small for me, I like wide modules on which I can wiggle a lot...

Hah, funny enough I believe that the Doepfer system we currently have installed was financed by the sale of an EMS Synthi from the program's early days.


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: KillToForget on April 11, 2019, 07:39:22 PM
Best way to get started in a Eurorack setup? After a few years of putting it off I'd really like to get into it. I would love to get into soldering them myself too if it comes out cheaper.


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Cementimental on April 11, 2019, 08:45:47 PM
DIY soldering is cheaper if you don't value your time :D

where about in the world are you? most of my recommendations for affordable starter stuff are EU/UK-centric.

here's the cheapest power option i've found - https://amzn.to/2Dl1VKf
built some DIY/kit ones with mixed success, this is easier and doesn't work out any more expensive really. Works well for me. One of those, some rails/a frame from https://synthracks.com/rails-frames and flying bus cables from thonk https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/bus-cables/ + some bits of wood/a suitable box/cardboard to put them in = cheap case.

...but even before getting any modules that adds up to more than i'd spent on some entire noise setups pre-eurorack tho :D


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: KillToForget on April 11, 2019, 09:37:53 PM
Thanks for those. I'm in the US, so I'll try to find similar items from domestic shops


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: HONOR_IS_KING! on April 12, 2019, 01:54:40 PM
Recently grabbed a Nebulae and its changed up my approach incredibly.


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on April 12, 2019, 02:01:01 PM
My piece of advice, don't try to spend less on cheap power supplies. Meanwell PSUs suck. Go uZeus or 4ms Row Power, some modules are picky/demanding when it comes to power, others pick up the buzz from the PSUs. Same with bus boards. Shrouded ones are the best, flying ones, less so.
Also, if you plan to go cheap, maybe you should think about semi-modular synths first. I mean, with the amount of money you'd spend to get a decent modular synth you could buy a Polivoks fitted for midi in perfect condition...


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: theworldisawarfilm on June 18, 2019, 11:28:57 PM
Still in need of more modulation sources, EG and the like, but have managed to put this small system to good use with my MS-20 mini. Many pleasurable drones thanks to the Piston Honda/Clouds.

-Harvestman Piston Honda Wavetable osc.
-Make Noise Function
-Doepfer WASP filter clone
-DIY passive mult
-Ladik Random/Noise (has interesting 'geiger' output)
-DIY Mutable Instruments Clouds granular processor
-Pittsburgh MIDI2 to send clock/gates and free up the Function for more interesting applications


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 19, 2019, 08:52:40 PM
If I may, Maths is awesome, a bit intense but awesome. Batumi as an lfo as well.
A great source for modulation but a risky one to get into because the learning curve is definitely steep, is Ornament & Crime. It does tons of things, and incredible ones at that, but it's for an advanced level I think. I love mine but yeah, only skimming the surface on there.


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: theworldisawarfilm on June 19, 2019, 11:00:12 PM
If I may, Maths is awesome, a bit intense but awesome. Batumi as an lfo as well.

Have been hunting for a Batumi second hand but no luck so far (though I see them around with some regularity). But a Maths is almost certainly going to be the next acquisition--such versatility.


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 20, 2019, 06:18:49 PM
Have you thought about creating an account and putting alerts on Modular Grid? You should try your luck out there.


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: HONOR_IS_KING! on June 20, 2019, 06:47:46 PM
Still in need of more modulation sources, EG and the like, but have managed to put this small system to good use with my MS-20 mini. Many pleasurable drones thanks to the Piston Honda/Clouds.

-Harvestman Piston Honda Wavetable osc.
-Make Noise Function
-Doepfer WASP filter clone
-DIY passive mult
-Ladik Random/Noise (has interesting 'geiger' output)
-DIY Mutable Instruments Clouds granular processor
-Pittsburgh MIDI2 to send clock/gates and free up the Function for more interesting applications


Excellent choices! I have used and loved the hell out of my Piston Honda. I recently got a Hertz Donut and that bad boy is proving to truly be something else.

As for a modulation source I cannot stress Pamela's New Workout! It is incredibly easy to traverse and learn. Really gave me quite the edge once it showed up in my case!


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: theworldisawarfilm on June 20, 2019, 08:41:01 PM
Still in need of more modulation sources, EG and the like, but have managed to put this small system to good use with my MS-20 mini. Many pleasurable drones thanks to the Piston Honda/Clouds.

-Harvestman Piston Honda Wavetable osc.
-Make Noise Function
-Doepfer WASP filter clone
-DIY passive mult
-Ladik Random/Noise (has interesting 'geiger' output)
-DIY Mutable Instruments Clouds granular processor
-Pittsburgh MIDI2 to send clock/gates and free up the Function for more interesting applications


Excellent choices! I have used and loved the hell out of my Piston Honda. I recently got a Hertz Donut and that bad boy is proving to truly be something else.

As for a modulation source I cannot stress Pamela's New Workout! It is incredibly easy to traverse and learn. Really gave me quite the edge once it showed up in my case!

With the MK3's of both coming out I was able to grab it at a very reasonable price. Absolutely fantastic unit, have spent hours just letting it run with some slow modulation, I'm sure the newer model is even better. Would LOVE to get my hands on a Hertz Donut at some point, but with school approaching in the fall I don't think that's in the cards for now. I will have to look into Pamela, have seen these popping up quite a bit...

Anybody fucked with the CV Tools in the last update for Live?


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 22, 2019, 06:08:51 PM
If I may make a suggestion, don't go straight for a new oscillator filled with complex options and a billion possibilities. It's easy to get lost there and ultimately (I'm speaking from my own experience anyway, so maybe I'm totally off and very biased here) you'd rather get an oscillator to which you can add things rather than try to take them off. It's very tempting but after beginning with two oscillators with strong personalities and lots of options  I was very happy to get one that can create simple waveforms that would complete and add something to the complex ones from my other oscillators. You can get such oscillators for cheap, add an extra filter there, a VCA, and you're almost set.


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: theworldisawarfilm on June 23, 2019, 12:12:58 AM
If I may make a suggestion, don't go straight for a new oscillator filled with complex options and a billion possibilities. It's easy to get lost there and ultimately (I'm speaking from my own experience anyway, so maybe I'm totally off and very biased here) you'd rather get an oscillator to which you can add things rather than try to take them off. It's very tempting but after beginning with two oscillators with strong personalities and lots of options  I was very happy to get one that can create simple waveforms that would complete and add something to the complex ones from my other oscillators. You can get such oscillators for cheap, add an extra filter there, a VCA, and you're almost set.

I'll just say that Doepfer A-110's will always be there for $100, but sometimes you gotta grab those Vanity Modules when you see them. I am a big believer in effectiveness of the most simple units.


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 23, 2019, 12:53:43 AM
I have a weakness for Verbos modules so I hear you haha (although they're actually quite simple function-wise.)

This is where I'm currently at...

(https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_796063.jpg)


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Cementimental on June 24, 2019, 12:27:13 PM
You can get such oscillators for cheap, add an extra filter there

don't overlook filters with self-oscillation which can also be used as VCOs :)


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 24, 2019, 05:36:59 PM
You can get such oscillators for cheap, add an extra filter there

don't overlook filters with self-oscillation which can also be used as VCOs :)

Or kicks!


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: theworldisawarfilm on June 27, 2019, 03:49:12 PM
In terms of 'fancy' shit, the only thing I would realllllllly love to have is one of these Trogotronic M679 tube Oscs


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: HONOR_IS_KING! on July 05, 2019, 05:22:56 PM
In terms of 'fancy' shit, the only thing I would realllllllly love to have is one of these Trogotronic M679 tube Oscs

Eventually for my "fancy" I'm gonna get a 1010 module or two. More likely the sampler and the new macro oscillator they were working on.


Title: Re: Eurorack
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on July 06, 2019, 02:05:37 AM
I just bought a Radio Music and a Turing Machine. I think they'll fill the sampler job. The 1010 Bitbox seems ace but way too intense for me. It goes so far I'm not sure I'd ever want to learn how to use it.

I'm also waiting on a cv tape recorder module in the mail.