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Title: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on December 22, 2009, 11:47:35 PM
Now everything mentioned on first page has been collected together. Any information on how many issue, roughly when, would be welcomed.

Alphabetic order, more information to be added:

Absurd (Greece)
ADN4  (ITA)
Another Room Magazine (US)
ARTitude (US)
Audio Drudge - USA
Audioview -? got to check
Autoreverse -USA
Auto Erotic -USA
Bananafish -USA
Bixobal (US)
By Whatever Means Necessary (newsletter) FIN
CLEM -??
Come Kata (Come Org, UK)
Compulsion -UK
Crank -UK
Crewzine -CZE
Degenerate - FIN
Denshi Zatsuon (japanese) JAP
Descent -USA
destroy the world! -USA
Dilettantes Digest -FIN
ELECTRIC ANNIHILATION, USA
Electric Shock Treatment -UK
Electronic Cottage -USA
Epilog –FIN
Eskhatos -US
Esoterra –US
Even When It Makes No Sense (BF, UK)
Exoteric -ITA
Farben (BF, UK)
Fauta (in polish) -POL
Fenris Wolf -Swe
Fever Pitch - USA
Filthy & Violence (newsletter) –FIN
Five (?) -UK
Flåskpåle -SWE
Force Mental -BEL
Freak Animal - FIN
Friends of the draft resistance -USA
Gneurosis, UK, early 90's. Two issues (?), Organum, Konstruktivists, plus lots of post-situationst kind of stuff. Good one!
Grim Humour -UK
H23 (usa)
HALANA, USA
Hard & Obscure -FIN
I.H.T.S.O. (International Hopeless Tunes Support Organisation, Germany 1988). One issue, one page on RJF, plus more obscure stuff.
IDWAL FISHER, UK
Impulse, UK. w/ comp tapes for most issues
Industrial news -UK
Interchange (UK)
Intolerance (Iphar, UK)
Judas Kiss -UK
Just glittering -got to check country
Kemisk Afton -SWE
King Krown & Kountry (Broken Flag, UK)
Laboratorium Lady -SWE
Lockjaw, UK, done by Robert Maycock (Satori). Mid-90's.
LOWLIFE, USA
Mental Funeral -USA
Metamorphosis –FIN
Minotaurus -USA
Misanthropy -FRA
Muckraker -US
Music From the Empty Quarter (UK)
ND -USA
Necrophonie -FRA
Neo Barbaric -forgot.. usa? got to check
New Death –Swe
Night Science -AUS
Noise (Taiwan)
Ohm Clock  -US
Ongaku Otaku -USA
Phonetic System. UK, early 80's. I only have one issue -- We Be Echo, Nanavesh, Possession, Attrition etc.
PHONOSTATIC, USA
Ppresence Update (Ppresence, US)
Progress Report -UK
Propaganda -SWE
Rapid Eye -UK
Res Publika -SWE
Rigodon, Anima Mal Nata, Holland, 2004. Only have #2 -- Crank Sturgeon, Luasa Raelon etc
RRReport -USA
Savannatarashi -USA
Shock Tilt - SWE
SIAM letter -GER in german language
Sikiöasento -FIN
Silencer (Katharos Foundation, Netherlands). Very TOPY, or should I say only about TOPY/PTV stuff.
Six Hours One Week -NOR
Spectrum -AUS
Stetoskop –POL
Storno –SWE
TDR Magazine (Belgium)
The Feverish, Germany, published by Willi Stasch/Cthulhu Rec.
The Fifth Path -US
the noiseist (newletter) -FRA
The Other Sound -USA
The Sound Projector (UK)
Timeless (for early) FRA
Tone Death. UK, 1980's.
Total -UK
Tract (Sterile, UK)
U-Bahn – USA
UNSOUND
Wormgear –USA
XENOPHOBIA, USA





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U-Bahn - USA
Ongaku Otaku -USA
Necrophonie -FRA
Force Mental -BEL
Freak Animal - FIN
Degenerate - FIN
Shock Tilt - SWE
The Other Sound -USA
Misanthropy -FRA
Denshi Zatsuon (japanese) JAP
Judas Kiss -UK
Compulsion -UK
Progress Report -UK
Audio Drudge - USA
Timeless (for early) FRA
Crank -UK
Sound Probe -UK
Six Hours One Week -NOR
Neo Barbaric -forgot.. usa? got to check
Mental Funeral -USA
Savannatarashi -USA
Autoreverse -USA? or was it UK, got to check
By Whatever Means Necessary (newsletter) FIN
Fever Pitch - USA
Fauta (not in english) Poland? Czech? Got to see
Wormgear -USA
Descent -USA
Audioview -? got to check
RRReport -USA
Spectrum -AUS
Crewzine -CZE
the noiseist (newletter) -FRA
just glittering -got to check
Friends of the draft resistance -USA
destroy the world! -USA
Minotaurus -USA
Bananafish -USA
Night Science -AUS
Hard & Obscure -FIN
Dilettantes Digest -FIN
Sikiöasento -FIN
Filthy & Violence (newsletter) -FIN

more? Remind me. Just quickly trying to memorize & take a look at the shelves. I think some famous ones are still left out.
Some descriptions of what they were and when could be added...


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Zeno Marx on December 23, 2009, 12:27:46 AM
ND (my favorite; Audio Drudge #2)
Minotaur (or was it Minotaurus; #2 with Merzbow, Masonna)

check out THIS (http://smallprintpress.blogspot.com/) blog for all kinds of old industrial magazines


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on December 23, 2009, 12:56:06 AM
AUTOreverse was American. Not entirely Industrial/etc. either, but dedicated to home tapers. Ian C Stewart, the editor, used to have what he called his "Dictionary Of Noise" when reviewing Noise tapes; he'd just grab random words from the dictionary to describe what he heard. It was a great zine and I really enjoyed it. Had one of the liveliest online forums I've been on as well.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Henrik III on December 23, 2009, 04:13:40 AM
I guess Unsound was fairly essential magazine in over its existence in 80s (was it 83-87?)?


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: bogskaggmannen on December 23, 2009, 08:57:07 AM
Soma - SWE

Made my life richer when existing!


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Tommy Carlsson on December 23, 2009, 09:55:23 AM
Let's see... off the top of my head ~

- Interchange (UK)
- Music From the Empty Quarter (UK)
- Noise (Taiwan)
- ARTitude (US)
- Another Room Magazine (US)
- Bixobal (US)
- The Sound Projector (UK)
- TDR Magazine (Belgium)
- Absurd (Greece)

Plus a couple of more Swedish ones:

- Laboratorium Lady
- Flåskpåle
- Kemisk Afton
- Res Publika
- Propaganda
- Storno

Maybe also "label" zines should be mentioned? Surely there are more, but like I said, off the top of my head...

- Come Kata (Come Org, UK)
- Intolerance (Iphar, UK)
- King Krown & Kountry (Broken Flag, UK)
- Farben (BF, UK)
- Even When It Makes No Sense (BF, UK)
- Ppresence Update (Ppresence, US)
- Tract (Sterile, UK)

I'll look around, I'm sure there are more that have slipped my mind.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on December 23, 2009, 10:08:25 AM
there was also zine that Jukka / Kaos Kontrol did before he started label. Some metal, but also like CMI style bands. Called: Epilogue. And another Finnish zine... what the fuck was it called. Panu / Skingraft (fin) did issue with Pain Jerk and more.
There are several of Finnish zines of mixed music culture, which included one or two noise things, but I only listed zines that would have either exclusive or at least enough "noise" content to interests people of genre.



Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Tommy Carlsson on December 23, 2009, 10:11:56 AM
I have another Finnish zine somewhere.. Metamorphosis? It had a Pain Jerk interview, can't remember what else was in it.

Oh, and Datenverarbeitung from Germany should be included.

I'll look for more in my closet. Maybe tomorrow.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on December 23, 2009, 10:42:49 AM
yeah, that Metamorphosis was what I meant in message before. Panu is still very active as gig visitor/"consumer", but it's unfortunate that good unreleased Skingraft material has been laying around as instrumental versions for several years... He was also in Detonator (with Cloama) and Aktion Direkt (with Anon+), guest vocals in 1st Strom.ec live gigs.

And I think there are now 2-3 smaller noise zines in USA active right now? And expected rise of ALAP soon.

What was the old USA pe/industrial zine with wild Terre Blanche interview where this character quite casually talked about problems with negroes? Was it in Another Room or still some other magazine? Got to dig it up somewhere in piles.

I guess Industrial Nation magazine is too far away from the type of coverage I'm looking here, but I remember some issues had odd noise / experimental content?

There are some of these T.O.P.Y. related magazines/zines with some matters of interest, I guess.

I have read about reveral Italian zines, from 80's, but never had any of them myself.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on December 23, 2009, 06:15:14 PM
What was name of zine what TAint used to do. At least 4 issues, right?


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: ImpulsyStetoskopu on December 23, 2009, 06:50:06 PM
Fauta (not in english) Poland? Czech? Got to see

This magazine (exactly as FLAUTA) was from Poland. Besides in the end of 1990s in Poland was my STETOSKOP (only two issues).


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Strömkarlen on December 23, 2009, 07:01:18 PM
Soma - SWE

Made my life richer when existing!

Thank you!

What about CLEM or is that to much of a catalogue?

Fenris Wolf/Swe and Rapid Eye/UK for TOPY related.
Vile and all those mail-art related zines that covered a lot of MB, Baroni and similar stuff in the eighties.

Five (?)/UK
Industrial news/UK
Muckraker/US (didn't care fo that one much...)
Total/UK (I know that this one is borderline maybe not as much as Rapid Eye but they were both good.)
New Death/Swe





Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Tommy Carlsson on December 23, 2009, 07:16:18 PM
The one Zeno mentioned is Minotaurus. Two issues published, as far as I know. The first one was more of an art zine w/ graphics/art/propaganda from Axis Sanguinarius (pre-Blood Axis, in other words), Big Body Parts, Big City Orchestra, Crash Worship, Haters, IOS, E. Lunde, Slave State, Z'ev + others. Issue #2 was more of a conventional zine, w/ reviews + interviews -- Coil, Zeni Geva, Cop Shoot Cop, Allerseelen, Blood Axis, Merzbow etc.

some more that I came to think of ~

- The Feverish, Germany, published by Willi Stasch/Cthulhu Rec.
- Lockjaw, UK, done by Robert Maycock (Satori). Mid-90's.
- Silencer (Katharos Foundation, Netherlands). Very TOPY, or should I say only about TOPY/PTV stuff.
- I.H.T.S.O. (International Hopeless Tunes Support Organisation, Germany 1988). One issue, one page on RJF, plus more obscure stuff.
- Phonetic System. UK, early 80's. I only have one issue -- We Be Echo, Nanavesh, Possession, Attrition etc.
- Gneurosis, UK, early 90's. Two issues (?), Organum, Konstruktivists, plus lots of post-situationst kind of stuff. Good one!
- Rigodon, Anima Mal Nata, Holland, 2004. Only have #2 -- Crank Sturgeon, Luasa Raelon etc
- Exoteric, Italy.
- Grim Humour/Adverse Effect, UK. Enough noisy stuff to be incuded?
- Impulse, UK. w/ comp tapes for most (all?) issues
- Tone Death. UK, 1980's.

Maybe these are not enough purely focused on music, but more so than some others already listed ~

- Eskhatos, US
- The Fifth Path, US
- Ohm Clock, US
- Esoterra, US


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: emil beaulieau on December 23, 2009, 07:35:59 PM
IDWAL FISHER
HALANA
LOWLIFE
PROGRESS REPORT
PHONOSTATIC
XENOPHOBIA
ELECTRIC ANNIHILATION

BEST - Ron





Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: emil beaulieau on December 23, 2009, 08:19:13 PM
oops, all above are USA except Idwal Fisher and Progress Report which are UK

BEST - Ron


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on December 23, 2009, 08:22:00 PM
The one Zeno mentioned is Minotaurus. Two issues published, as far as I know. The first one was more of an art zine w/ graphics/art/propaganda from Axis Sanguinarius (pre-Blood Axis, in other words), Big Body Parts, Big City Orchestra, Crash Worship, Haters, IOS, E. Lunde, Slave State, Z'ev + others. Issue #2 was more of a conventional zine, w/ reviews + interviews -- Coil, Zeni Geva, Cop Shoot Cop, Allerseelen, Blood Axis, Merzbow etc.

It was mentioned in opening message. I remember when I bought it from RRR many many years ago, exclusively because of Merzbow. When I open the mag, and I see Blood Axis guy with suit & tied holding some horn in hand, and though, who's this clown then? I believe interview was done before he had even sinly compilation tracks published? During the years my sense of aesthetic has grown and I leaned to appreciate even Blood Axis.

Lets keep the magazine names coming, and eventually I collect them all into one message, and perhaps should be short descriptions. Especially where they came, roughly when (a'la "early 90's"), and additional infos if possible.

*Adverse Effect, I guess was mentioned?
*Obsessive Eye (says "electronica post-rock drum'n'bass, but has Merzbow, John Cage, Panasonic,..)
*The Fifth Path, I got #1 from 1991 with Foetus inc, Death in June, Robert Anton Wilson, Zeena LaVey, Throbbing Gristle bootleg reviews, review sections full of Coil, NWW, Haters and more.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on December 23, 2009, 08:49:05 PM
See modified opening message. Already over 100 magazines listed. I'm pretty suspriced. There are several which I don't have, and many which I don't have all issues. Ofr course a lot of them appeared before "my time", so to say.
Zeno's link to zine archive blog, very good. I knew it existed, but I'm so lousy going to blogs or read full zines online.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: bitewerksMTB on December 23, 2009, 09:26:01 PM
LIFE WITHOUT SEX- Vagina Dentata Organ; no idea if that is the only issue

TAINT was one issue featuring Intrinsic Action as main feature + reviews, etc. I don't have a copy & master disappeared with loads of other zines, art, etc. I did some industrial reviews in the trashfilm zine, A TASTE OF BILE which went for 12-13 issues I think? I don't have any of those either.

There's the COUP DE GRACE publications too. I have 1 or 2 but can't remember the titles.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Tommy Carlsson on December 23, 2009, 09:55:37 PM
and of course...

VITAL, the printed zine, 1987-1995


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Henrik III on December 23, 2009, 10:45:27 PM
Frantic / Finland - this was a fairly regularly published magazine written in Finnish around mid 90's which focused mainly on EBM, goth and industrial a'la FLA etc. but remember reading about CMI and such. Mikko, did they ever feature anything FA related?

Hindupyöräilijä / Finland - fanzine by Jan Anderzen (of Kemialliset ystävät, Tomutonttu etc.), rather "hippie" style messy affair but I think still pretty enjoyable. If I don't remember wrong, one active board member was a contributor.

More of all-purpose tape culture publications: Sound Choice, OP, OPtion, Browbeat.

I was very happy when the fanzine scans started to appear some time ago but for some reason they tend to feel more awful substitute of the real thing than mp3 rips are for the tapes/records.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on December 23, 2009, 11:01:07 PM
I don't think Frantic had any Freak Animal stuff. Same guys published some vinyl records of Finnish electro and some of them my girlfriend bought at some festival and liked. I couldn't stand the sound. I have some issues of the magazine. I just digged up some piles of magazines and one that I looked, had Laibach, but otherwise pretty much exclusively gothic music.

There is something called METHAMPHEDAZINE, with blue sabbat black cheer and a lot of stuff what makes no sense at all.

MORAI GERO 1 specialized for JApan sound, MErzbow, melt banana, boredoms, super junky monkey

MECANO #1 from 1996 with Evil Moisture, Jeph Jerman, Zabriskie Point...


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: alpharmania on December 24, 2009, 12:20:33 PM
surprised you didn't mention SOMA, Tommy?


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Tommy Carlsson on December 25, 2009, 03:59:33 PM
surprised you didn't mention SOMA, Tommy?

Love already did.

Another one that I remembered was Stigmata magazine from Russia. The last issue (#5) seems to have been published in 2006, so maybe it is dead now.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Strömkarlen on December 27, 2009, 04:05:05 AM
CLEM was from Canada. More info here http://www.cantorrecords.com/main/clem/ .

I'm not sure if zines like Vile should be on list like this http://mypage.uniserve.ca/~a_banana/vile.html ? There was a big overlap between the mail-art zines and early industrial music. Force Mental being the prime example.

Tellus made a power electronics issue 1986. http://www.ubu.com/sound/tellus.html

What about Italy in Eighties? Didn't Barooni put anything out?


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Strömkarlen on December 27, 2009, 04:14:10 AM
Auf Abwegen and Bad Alchemy from Germany also.

Bad Alchemy http://www.badalchemy.de/ You can download older issues. I try to read them sometimes to fresh up my German.

Auf Abwegen http://www.aufabwegen.de/magazin/

Zinnober http://www.zinnober.net/ (A bit neofolk perhaps.)


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Zeno Marx on December 27, 2009, 06:51:05 AM
The Artware catalogue could well be considered a zine.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on December 27, 2009, 12:35:33 PM
I don't have the very earliest catalogs, but those ones I have, are all just listing of stuff they sell. Of course it is thicker than many zines, and short comments about all items, but still, I don't know if it's a "zine"?

Something like Come Organization Kata would have reviews, lyrics printed, reports, right? I have the collection xerox book of it.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Strömkarlen on December 29, 2009, 03:04:35 PM
Disco Rough/AUS. Actually Deutsche Welle zine out of Australia. Interviews with FM Einheit (can you answer shorter?) and Die Tödliche Doris.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: heretogo on December 29, 2009, 03:41:17 PM
How about Opprobrium from New Zealand, active in the 90s? Not so much noise & industrial, as I recall, but quite a bit of experimental stuff and improvisation. I remember at least one Keiji Haino interview. Main thing was probably the more rock-oriented stuff like Flying Saucer Attack, Doramaar etc.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Tommy Carlsson on December 30, 2009, 01:04:35 PM
Do you know of any new magazines (other than ALAP) that are being planned right now? I got an email from a guy in the US named Bryant who was going to do a zine called Ov Crosses & Knives -- "primarily dealing with primitive black metal, harsh noise, experimental, occult chaos...." That was supposed to happen around summertime, but I guess it got canned. He was going to interview Alfarmania, the Utmarken gang, plus others.

I also heard some rumours about a zine that was going to be purely focused (obsessively so, I guess) on wall noise. I don't know much more than that though.

Possibly of interest here, although more as a side-step -- I just read a really good article on wall noise in a Swedish cross-cultural magazine. It is written by American writer and "sound designer" William Hutson, and attempts to place the wall noise phenomenon within contemporary art history, and also to discuss what wall noise has to offer in the way of critique of our relation to attentiveness today. The article covers the current (as in 2004 and onwards) wall noise scene, mainly focusing on The Rita. As this is translated from English language, I can only give some quotes in Swedish, but I hope the full article will somehow be published in its original language (yes, hint for magazine editors). It is well worth reading! In the following passage, he truly nails one of the problems with the current scene of carbon copy "wallers" ~

Quote
HNW var på en och samma gång ett tillbakablickande historiskt projekt och en framåtriktad omformning av noisegenrernas morfologi. Det blev ett samlingsrop för yngre musiker som försökte skilja ut sig själva från den generation av etablerade artister som redan hade nått framgång inom den experimentella musiken. Då det är relativt enkelt att åstadkomma en oinspirerad, men godtagbar, HNW-inspelning, kom en ström av nykomlingar inom noiserörelsen som hade varit inaktiva (eller åtminstone okända) innan stilen hunnit ta ordentlig form. Men i stället för att omfamna The Ritas öppenhet började nya entusiaster och artister definiera HNW som ett strikt regelverk. På chockerande kort tid började många av dess utövare att likna en sektliknande blandning av sanna troende, lismande anhängare och folk som bara red på vågen. Subgenren fick drag av ett slags domedagsreligion, och dess förespråkare började bedöma utövarna och deras verk i termer av "äkthet" -- hur trogna de var genrens regelverk. De ursprungliga stilbildarna, artister som The Rita, The Cherry Point och Richard Ramirez blev påvar och kardinaler för horder av dyrkare som nyss hade köpt sin första Boss Metal Zone-pedal och kontaktmikrofon. Enskilda musikstycken kallades inte längre för spår eller kompositioner utan walls, väggar, och artisterna blev wallers. Det vimlade av metaforer och ordlekar på temat mureri. En artist som gjorde en vägg men inte uteslutande bekände sig till HNW var en dilettant, en posör, en kättare.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: ARKHE on December 30, 2009, 01:28:36 PM
what Swedish cross-cultural magazine would that be? sounds interesting, should track it down. great quote also.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Tommy Carlsson on December 30, 2009, 01:35:20 PM
Oops, sorry! Forgot to mention -- the name of the magazine is Subaltern. Look for issue 2/2009, should be available at most libraries. The article is 8 pages long. I can also xerox it for you if you want me to.

http://forlag.hstrom.se/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=14&Itemid=41&vmcchk=1&Itemid=146

(http://images.tidningskungen.se/upl/normal200/subaltern-2-2009-83.jpg)


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on December 30, 2009, 05:34:23 PM
As far as I know, Misanthropy -zine (fra) is active. #2 came out while ago. Decent reading. Just short interviews with relatively small bands. Entirely printed on inkjet printer. Not even xerox. It must have been fucking experinsive to print it.
Cabal zine came out while ago, but was it more of artwork zine + tape set?
There's new issue of Night Science this spring. There's debut printed zine of Terror (lithiania) also coming.
And I guess there are few of those USA smaller xerox zines I fail to remember.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: P-K on December 31, 2009, 07:55:15 AM
i have 2 or 3 copies of "Fist" floating around, must dig them up for correct info first, worked more in the field of Swans, Clock DVA and such ....more in the style of Compulsion.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: ARKHE on January 01, 2010, 10:55:56 PM
Quote
I can also xerox it for you if you want me to.

Oh, please do, if you find the time & will.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Xavier on January 23, 2010, 12:15:09 PM
Some indus/ noise zines I was a lot into (80's, 90's) were :
Taste of Bile, US (Taint)
Chemical Castration, US
Rape of Angel, US (Bloodlust)
Acephale, Fr
Life Without Sex, Fr
ApocalypsoaGogo, Uk
and many more not quoted in that page


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: narcolepsia on January 24, 2010, 09:50:26 PM
acephale is a great zine. still active ?

also, are there any news regarding the reissue of shocktilt on vinyl on demand ?


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: alpharmania on January 25, 2010, 09:53:16 AM
no news for the moment. I am still waiting for some material and need to structure all the additional material into separate magazine. some corrections of old part as well.
acephale is a great magazine, a pity that I don't understand so much of it. hehe


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: tiny_tove on January 25, 2010, 10:17:50 AM
Some Italians:

Maezel -Run by Maurizio Pustianaz (Gerstein), had an impressive old school interview with RAMLEH featuring translations of manifesto and other topics.
Betty's tear - Edited by Emanuela Zini, a very talented person who also wrote articles and short stories.
Occidental Congress - Still running, new issue of Max Ribaric's cult magazine just out. Interviews deal mostly with traditional-folk, and apocalypse culture related subjects, but features a plethora of reviews. www.occidentalcongress.com The graphic designer of the website/magazine used to run whitenoise website, one of the few Italian sites dealing mostly with post industrial culture. Davide lives 50 m from my place and he's willing to re-start the project.



Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: bitewerksMTB on January 26, 2010, 08:12:03 PM
I believe I have an issue of MAEZEL.. I can kind of picture the logo....

The ACEPHALE staff are too busy in Thailand to publish. They were suppose to do an issue with comp cd featuring taint & Genocide Organ but I told them to ditch the taint track. That was 2-3+ years ago.


Title: Old industrial-related zines (scanned) for download...
Post by: drunk on February 07, 2010, 05:30:28 AM
Here: http://shock-corridor.blogspot.com/ mostly in PDF format. You can print them and read 'em "almost" like the real thing. Yes, it's not the actual thing, but all that matters is the content, right?

ps: it's not my site, I just found it while searching for old industrial reviews on Google.

ps2: if I'm "out of line" posting this in here, please feel free to delete this post. As far as I know, it's all out of print stuff.



Title: Re: Old industrial-related zines (scanned) for download...
Post by: Zeno Marx on February 07, 2010, 05:57:35 AM
also:
http://smallprintpress.blogspot.com/

(OH NO!  Images of the zines and not the actual paper.)


Title: Re: Old industrial-related zines (scanned) for download...
Post by: drunk on February 07, 2010, 06:33:11 AM
(OH NO!  Images of the zines and not the actual paper.)

Yeah, you know how some "kvlt" bitches get all worked up over this "untr00" stuff. Thanks for the link.


Title: Re: Old industrial-related zines (scanned) for download...
Post by: alpharmania on February 07, 2010, 10:14:33 AM
Notes from Underground / No Longer Forgotten Music is recommended weekly visit. Many items that never or rarely will appear on sales lists. Concerning zines / printed matter of post-mortem / industrial scene I hardly think they are worth the prices they go for on ebay....


Title: Re: Old industrial-related zines (scanned) for download...
Post by: Brad on February 07, 2010, 05:25:37 PM
*bookmarks Notes From Underground*

Are the Industrial News papers by TG available anywhere?


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Nil By Mouth on February 09, 2010, 11:49:47 AM
Just found in my archive a copy of

GAZE INTO A GLOOM

Issue#1 for free

From Latvia, features articles/interviews about Whitehouse, Raison d'ètre, Kirlian Camera, Institut, Tabula of Slaughter and a bunch of short reviews

Here a web site http://www.giag.lv/english/index.htm


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: City Mortuary on February 09, 2010, 03:32:35 PM
PANIK (US) covered a lot of extreme art and music such as Nitsch, Whitehouse. Issues were printed largescale and featured a lot of artwork.

Here are a few magazines from the '90s that covered the Japanese noise/weird scene pretty intensely:
Exile Osaka
Morai Gero
Ongaku Otaku


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: manuel-ronf on February 09, 2010, 10:53:17 PM
Secuencias De Culto was an Industrial / PE / Noise / Gothic magazine from my place (Canary Islands) written in Spanish active around 1999 - 2002,
anyone remembers?


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on February 09, 2010, 10:55:32 PM
wasn't it for long time also webzine? Which called quits couple years ago?


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: manuel-ronf on February 09, 2010, 11:09:55 PM
indeed it was running for some time as sekuenciasdeculto.com but... sadly disappeared... but their work as a paper magazine was excellent... I remember to read about Freak animal releases on it...


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: blackoperations on February 12, 2010, 03:34:53 AM
That's a very impressive list that already contains all of the ones I know/know of that I can recall at the moment, so there is not really much I can add to it.

I can add this though ...

Just Glittering was the mag Mark Wharton did before Idwal Fisher. Idwal Fisher is basically the same mag (look, content, style, everything), just with a different name and starting from issue 1 again. I think there was about 7 or 8 issues of each altogether, starting with the first Just Glittering in about 1998 to the last Idwal Fisher in about 2008. I always looked forward to getting the new issue through the post ...

Mark now does an online blog type version of Idwal Fisher, which was initially reviews only (releases and gigs), but he recently posted a new Smell & Quim interview, so it's possible they may become an occasional feature too. A positive 'Special Interests' review was also posted recently.

Check it out :
http://web.mac.com/idwalfisher/Idwal_Fisher/HOME.html

Admittedly, and somewhat unfortunately, I haven't read anything near the amount of industrial/noise type fanzines/magazines that I have punk/hardcore and grind/death metal type ones. I've read absolutely fucking hundreds of them.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Zeno Marx on February 12, 2010, 04:17:11 AM
One of the best music writers I've ever read used to write reviews and do great interviews for the metal magazine The Pit.  I believe it was based out of Colorado Springs, CO.  He was big into Whitehouse and some of the other early industrial bands, and he'd use that knowledge to throw curve balls when asking questions and reviewing albums.  I sold all my issues, so I can't remember his name.  He was the only one who wrote for that zine who was into this stuff, so he can't be difficult to find within the pages.  I hope he's still writing about music.  He was exemplary.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Zeno Marx on February 12, 2010, 10:11:13 PM
Yes, Kurt Hubert.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Goat93 on February 12, 2010, 11:40:11 PM
divinity US Mag with Boyd Rice and Trvor Brown, but more SM related
margen spain mag with vidna obmana, iconoclast and such, in spain i can't read it
symposium french magazine with dissecting table, allerseelen white stains in french, so--ähh

i found idwal fisher 2, 4 & 5
and follower JG 5,7,8

i have no need for this magazines, besides the divinity.
Would like it to trade them...


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on February 13, 2010, 06:42:01 AM
Shunya Suzuki's Interim Report, spanning all of two issues. #2 covers mainly power electronics, interviews with Intrinsic Action, Whitehouse, Giancarlo Toniutti. Brief MB article. Very short reviews, a number covering AWB releases. Planned Broken Flag profile for issue #3, which I don't think ever materialized. Mr Suzuki apparently had a bit of a reputation as a talker, rather than a doer... IR also released some tapes, notably VAOT, a collection of outtakes from Extreme Music From Japan (which he also compiled for Susan Lawly). VAOT was "reissued" with several different tracks as Japanoise on MSNP.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: bitewerksMTB on February 13, 2010, 08:02:13 PM
I'm thinking DIVINITY was from the UK & had something to do with the guy who use to do a trash film zine called SHEER FILTH who went onto HEADPRESS...?

Now I'm thinking "what the hell happened to the huge box of zines I use to have?!?"



Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: icepick method on June 28, 2010, 09:53:38 PM
   
Assasin (http://shock-corridor.blogspot.com/2009/03/assasin-1-1982-my-scan.html)
Bruit Blanc (http://shock-corridor.blogspot.com/2008/10/bruit-blanc-1-my-scan-199.html)
ennui  (http://shock-corridor.blogspot.com/2009/10/ennui-vol2-2-1997-my-scan.html)
Re/Search (http://shock-corridor.blogspot.com/2009/07/research-issue-2-1981-my-scan.html)
S/M Operations (http://shock-corridor.blogspot.com/2009/02/sm-operations-1982-my-scan.html)
Sigill (http://shock-corridor.blogspot.com/2009/10/sigill-10-1996my-scan.html)


   


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: GX Jupitter-Larsen on June 29, 2010, 01:07:22 AM
What?! No mention of Scraps of Paper ??? How soon they forget...

Actually a great blog with scans of many Industrial / noise / experimental zines can be found here:


http://smallprintpress.blogspot.com/ (http://smallprintpress.blogspot.com/)


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on June 29, 2010, 08:47:59 AM
Wasn't most of scrap of paper kind of... ehm.. "culture"? word-puzzles, obscure texts, etc. and not interviews/reviews/writings of noise? I have some issues, but not all. I remember friend doing those word puzzles and saying was damn hard. I didn't want to make mess on pages so never even tried, hah..

I think Terror was mentioned, but there is also Sleeping Trouble #1, which is basically harsh noise (wall) zine. Pretty good one that came out just while ago. Only interviews. Cut & paste lay-out in A5. Looks nice, quick to read, but still informative.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: narcolepsia on June 29, 2010, 03:20:45 PM
thanks for the nice words on my zine mikko (it is called troubled sleep and not sleeping trouble though)

although the first issue contains a considerable coverage of HNW the zine is by no means a HNW one, my selection is way more personal than a genre confinement

starting to plan issue #2 at the moment, probably keeping the interviews only policy, artist covered will include paranoid time, wince, N. , taskmaster, treriksroset , murder book and some more


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: GX Jupitter-Larsen on June 30, 2010, 01:43:42 AM
Actually, every issue of Scraps had something about The Haters, and one of two other writings about other noise. Chop Shop, Damion Romero, Fin, Small Cruel Party, K2, and The New Blockaders were all featured.

Wasn't most of scrap of paper kind of... ehm.. "culture"? word-puzzles, obscure texts, etc. and not interviews/reviews/writings of noise?


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: xdementia on June 30, 2010, 03:55:42 AM
- Negation is Freedom - US
- Witch Kunt - US
- Terror - Latvia


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: MT on June 30, 2010, 09:14:32 AM
..but there is also Sleeping Trouble #1, which is basically harsh noise (wall) zine. Pretty good one that came out just while ago. Only interviews. Cut & paste lay-out in A5. Looks nice, quick to read, but still informative.
Where I can get this?


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on June 30, 2010, 09:25:08 AM
probably PM to narcolepsia and ask. I had it for sale, but copies sold in couple days! It has also interview with that dead body photographer talked in art section.
Probably have to see if can arrange more copies for sale.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Dom America on June 30, 2010, 03:25:31 PM
GROK


Title: As Loud As Possible
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on December 10, 2010, 08:50:02 PM
As Loud As Possible.
I guess it's not much mentioned in SI forum yet, but I should underline, that this is magazine not to miss! And note, that it's now also available from FA distribution, with international shipping mere 2 euro!

I would like to say, that this is THE noise magazine. Surely there has been magazine before, and will be after, and each of them delivers their angle for the noise. But if you look for something, which is:
1) well written
2) about bands that matter, guaranteed
3) with abundance of content

There simply isn't any competition. One could simply look at the targets of many of these articles. First of all, there are many, which seem to be guys, who you simply can't get hold of. But ALAP has. There are bands and labels, who never really gave decent interviews or were targets of articles by people who know what they write about. But now they have been covered. One wonders about the task what this Broken Flag article has been? It's not only that pretty much all is covered, but also from angle of artist, the label and possibly more. I would think if you'd ask could this be made by anyone else than mr. Underwood, I'd say.. no? Or hell no! With no disrespect to any journalist out there, or my own possibilities, I still believe, this is far more advanced that pretty much anything done before. You may look at the groundbreaking publications a'la Industrial Culture Handbook... but that was.. back in 1984 was it?

So what ALAP could do more? Perhaps only to make it annual happening. Who should they cover? Hopefully some of those you rarely hear about, but who have made impact. Perhaps the UK guys they might be able to speak to. Comes to my mind... Contrastate? Apostles? Mnemonists? The bizarre material between the post-punk & noise, between free music & noise, older avantgarde? I would find it good, that since I believe the staff knows and has abundance of good stuff to be written about, they could reject the too obvious "scene noise". Which they pretty much have, although not entirely? I mean, I am up to promotion of good contemporary noise, and those who are active now and "need" the publicity, but....  


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: absurdexposition on December 10, 2010, 09:09:45 PM
ALAP looks amazing. I'll be getting several copies to distribute in Canada. should be arriving in a week or so.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Brad on December 10, 2010, 11:34:43 PM
I'm really just into "industrial" rather than pure "noise", but even I ordered a copy of As Loud As Possible!

shakehurst, do you have an online catalog of stuff you distribute?  I've been looking for more Canadian sources to order music from. 


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: absurdexposition on December 10, 2010, 11:48:27 PM
hey brad,

http://www.justsaynorecords.com

not an overt amount of noise related stuff right now, main focus is punk/hardcore/pv/grind/etc. had a year-long stint of being too broke to do anything with it at all, so the entire general stock is low, but now i'm starting to pick up speed again and working on getting more noise and metal (things i've always been into, just never bothered to distro)


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: sportfan on December 11, 2010, 02:13:36 AM
ALAP   -  I would agree, but i think of this more as a book than a periodical or otherwise.  I can't imagine how many issues could really be created, at least not if the were to keep with the initial issue? Still, i really love this, and I was surprised at how cheap it was.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Brad on December 11, 2010, 03:25:10 AM
From http://www.asloudaspossible.org/:
Quote
As Loud As Possible # 2:   A solid 200 pages of indepth interviews, articles, informed frontline opinions and an extensive reviews section.  Due late 2011.  All details to be announced mid-2011.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on December 11, 2010, 09:38:46 AM
As far as I know, there are already plans for more than 2nd issue, so I guess it will continue at least few years.
And I would assume it is also up to response and sales. It has big run, therefore cheap price. 150 pages for 6 pounds sounds like dirt cheap.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on January 24, 2012, 06:05:22 PM
MY PERSONAL BEST #1 from Lasse Marhaug!
Excellent noise zine! Or should it be said magazine? Pro-printed, A4 size, 90 pages!
Visually very elegant, with often slightly unusual interviews!

Some copies for sale from FA at the moment.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: xdementia on January 25, 2012, 03:10:22 AM
"And Then And Yet" cover the Pacific Northwest scene in the US and Canada. Folded copy paper (not even stapled) with scattered photocopy collages and short articles that mainly consist of record and show reviews, and a few articles about artists.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: burdizzo on January 20, 2013, 07:44:55 PM

MECANO #1 from 1996 with Evil Moisture, Jeph Jerman, Zabriskie Point...
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There was a second one as well, with Roger Doyle, Dachise, reviews, etc. It was fairly short...


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: bitewerksMTB on January 21, 2013, 01:25:41 AM
From http://www.asloudaspossible.org/:
Quote
As Loud As Possible # 2:   A solid 200 pages of indepth interviews, articles, informed frontline opinions and an extensive reviews section.  Due late 2011.  All details to be announced mid-2011.

ALAP should stop announcing what year an issue is due.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: HongKongGoolagong on January 21, 2013, 01:56:47 AM
From http://www.asloudaspossible.org/:
Quote
As Loud As Possible # 2:   A solid 200 pages of indepth interviews, articles, informed frontline opinions and an extensive reviews section.  Due late 2011.  All details to be announced mid-2011.

ALAP should stop announcing what year an issue is due.

That delay's nothing by Harbinger standards - Ramleh 'Awake!' was six years late, "And the Vultures..." set more like ten. Things do always come out eventually. Every time I hear from Steve he seems to be in the midst of major personal chaos and cash problems. It's amazing that he's done what he's done and stayed so unique and uncommercial and kept the fuck-you punk ethic. He could have gone into coffee-table industrial Cold Spring mode or specialised in drone music and Wire mag hipster/beatnik stuff. A salute to Mr Underpants (& Sienko at ALAP) from me.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on January 21, 2013, 10:55:42 AM
I think that announcement is old. Since then they probably learned not to make further announcements, but allow magazine take all the time it needs to be good - and publish it then.

New Troubled Sleep magazine (#2) is good! 100 pages, very loose lay-out focused on continuous xerox collage taking about half or 2/3 of each page. One could have probably squeezed text to 30-50 pages easy. But it's nice reading. I think Vetala interview stands out for being kind of unsuitable. Only Black Metal interview, and being quite useless one as well.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: ARKHE on January 21, 2013, 12:15:31 PM
Fördämning, from mr. RTB, think a 2nd issue is in the making. First issue was straight to the point, humble and unobtrusive, in the best sense. Just a well-written 'zine.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on January 23, 2013, 11:31:16 AM
hmm.. just today got mail that new (#4) issue of Antibothis is out. I got all the 3 past issues, and while it is most of all "occultural magazine" - aiming to cover not just the "subculture", but something more hidden, something more unusual, it also includes topics why relates to this discussion.

contributions include for example Z’ev, Trevor Brown, V. Vale (RE/Search Pubs), Francisco Lopez, Mason Jones (Charnel Music), André Coelho (Sektor 304), and so on.

This Portuguese publication in past included GX of Haters, Boyd Rice, Aesthetic Meat Front, Nigel Ayers, and so on. But also all sorts of other "occulture" from classic Linkola translations to nonsense of Siratori. Each publication comes with compilation CD. It's fully professional, somehow makes me think what used to be done by magazines such as Headpress. But these are anthologies of text. No "trivial magazine" content.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on April 30, 2013, 05:01:16 PM
NOISE RECEPTOR #1
Good stuff! For those who don't think mere online presence still makes a "publication" - like myself - it's great to see he decided to archive his long reviews and additional artwork and good long Trepangensritualen interview into printed journal! 200 copies done, perfect binded, nice quality.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on May 15, 2013, 07:03:01 PM
PERSONAL BEST #3 has very little of "real noise", but it's very good issue. I think it's somehow better than #2 was. Not sure what was "off" with issue 2, as it did have many good interviews/artists too, but this feels better!


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: online prowler on May 15, 2013, 10:42:39 PM
Got Trouble Sleep # 2 via Turgid Viking. Very refreshing and interesting noise zine executed in good ol´ xerox fashion. B & W. Since I just started reading the issue I cannot comment fully on the overall content, but so far I can say that the subject matter I've read is quite good. This, in conjuction with the overall execution of the zine plus the attention to quality/use of right kind of paper versus "printing" technique makes the reading experience rich. A recommended read. Will post an additional comment when I have read leaf to leaf.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Guldur on May 15, 2013, 11:07:40 PM
I hope that As Loud as Possible shall not be a part of this topic. BTW anyone knows if there is gonna be next volume?

For those interested in old times. Former Slovakian magazine - Crew Zine will be soon available on-line in it's whole. It was one of the few (if not the only one) zine in central Europe written in English.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Matthias on May 16, 2013, 10:32:11 AM
Can recommend Stunt Rock #1. Published by Marhaug forlag but made by Sindre Bjerga. Nice focus on norweigan experimental music, contributions from Aaron Moore on italian prog, interview with Scott Foust (btw there will be an interview with Scott Foust focusing more on IFCO in Fördämning#2 which will hit the printers fairly soon) etc.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: tiny_tove on May 16, 2013, 10:34:21 AM
NOISE RECEPTOR #1
Good stuff! For those who don't think mere online presence still makes a "publication" - like myself - it's great to see he decided to archive his long reviews and additional artwork and good long Trepangensritualen interview into printed journal! 200 copies done, perfect binded, nice quality.

agree!
I was a big fan of spectrum back in the days and I am so glad that Richard is back in action.
TXRXPX interview is great


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: icepick method on June 23, 2013, 08:36:56 PM
For those interested in old times. Former Slovakian magazine - Crew Zine will be soon available on-line in it's whole. It was one of the few (if not the only one) zine in central Europe written in English.

Any news on this? Was never able to find copies of it.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Dr Alex on June 24, 2013, 12:52:19 PM
From Serbia:
Black Syrup (main editor is from Kovačica - small town in Vojvodina (part of Serbia) and he played in Pamba - experimental industrial band)
Crap small photo of first issue: (http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/113/f6aab31895af4e429d9201adcaa76bdd/s.jpg)
Second issue: (http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/profile01/135/c4c849a3c9984cdda820036aa727cf4e/p.jpg)
He publish just 2 issues, English/Serbian mixed.

and my magazine Pure Nothing Worship


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Guldur on July 01, 2013, 04:42:05 PM
For those interested in old times. Former Slovakian magazine - Crew Zine will be soon available on-line in it's whole. It was one of the few (if not the only one) zine in central Europe written in English.

Any news on this? Was never able to find copies of it.


Well right now, i belive i have all the copies. Currently we are still working on a webpage where we would place them, however if you want them before the webpage is ready, contact me privatelly and i can share them somehow to you.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on August 16, 2013, 07:38:36 PM
Not sure if many know Italian magazine THE STORMER. Mostly RAC related bands, but few latest issues from 2012 ( I guess #13 is latest?!) includes number of neofolk/martial/industrial groups. Most related to Skull line label. Small xerox magazines, in Finland found from ID10 distro.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: burdizzo on August 16, 2013, 10:54:11 PM
I know this mag. It has lately featured Stridder and  Barbrarosa Umtrunk, and previously had a 'feature' on Der Blutharsch and also on that 2CD comp. to Codrenau. In fairness, that one was reasonable enough (and, in fact, is what prompted me to buy what I find a very satisfactory package), but some of the other articles are pretty weak, too brief, and the English is absolutely appalling in places. In fact, the whole thing is a bit on the thin side, and the only reason I ever get it is because of the interviews relating to the martial industrial end  of things. And it doesn't cost that much as far as I remember!


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: OCPM on August 17, 2013, 12:06:31 PM

There's the COUP DE GRACE publications too. I have 1 or 2 but can't remember the titles.

I think the first one was called "The Final Incision" from 1984.
It's basically like 20 pages of subversive graphics, this issue is featuring art by Nekrophile, Broken Flag, M.B and more.
I should have a scan of it somewhere if anyone's interested...


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Guldur on September 03, 2013, 10:17:11 AM
Yep would be nice if you can scan it. Those are the treasures of the scene's history.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: online prowler on September 06, 2013, 03:47:25 PM
Came over this good blog w

Scanned fanzines and magazines from late 70s to late 90s on INDUSTRIAL music. Publications from UK, Germany, Japan, plus.

Interviews and more w: Whitehouse, Peter Sotos, Muslimgauze, Nocturnal Emissions, Lagowski, Atrax Morgue, Richard Ramirez, MB, Kurt Kren, Hunting Lodge, The Haters, Death In June, Controlled Bleeding, Sleep Chamber, PGR, Test Dept, Michael Gira/Swans, Vagina Dentata organ, Alvin Lucier, Le Syndicat, Bourbonese Qualk, Boyd Rice (Non), Chris & Cosey, Nails Ov Christ, Broken Flag, RRRecords, Craniocloast, Mail Art, Attrition, Boy Dirt Car, Bondage, Women of the SS.

HERE: http://smallprintpress.blogspot.com.au/ (http://smallprintpress.blogspot.com.au/)

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Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: OCPM on September 08, 2013, 11:02:40 PM
Oh yes, the same guy that has this blog "notes from underground" used to put up tapes for download here: http://433rpm.blogspot.dk/

There is a lot of interesting stuff when you dig into the archives.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: online prowler on September 08, 2013, 11:49:14 PM
Oh yes, the same guy that has this blog "notes from underground" used to put up tapes for download here: http://433rpm.blogspot.dk/

There is a lot of interesting stuff when you dig into the archives.


I realized that when I started fine reading the zine blog. Very good the music blog - no longer forgotten music - you posted. I highly recommend people to click on the link. Discovered a lot of good records there in the past.  


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on October 10, 2013, 05:33:51 PM
NEW FORCES #1
Good reading! Quite brief. Not perfect lay-out etc, but very nice reading! It's very inspiring to see more and more paper 'zine appear!


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Johann on October 11, 2013, 05:04:52 AM
Great thread! GX thanks for posting that link to the blog, great stuff. Very curious about the Afterbirth Zine (i think that's the name of the big body parts zine), it sounds really fascinating. Is U-Bahn related to Eric Lunde? the print style reminds me of his artwork/layout....

I didn't actually care for ALAP, it's a little sterile for my taste. Some of the info was alright, but overall just a total bore to read. I probably won't be trying to pick up the 2nd issue if it ever happens...

Very interested in that Personal Best mag that came out, I regret sleeping on issue 1...been trying to find it but no luck.

Best I've gotten recently is Fördämning, great fucking zine, truly inspiring stuff. xeroxed/self assembled, unpretentious, extremely affordable (even internationally), and really well written. Sprachlos Verlag interview was really inspiring, I must admit, I was unaware of that label until that point. Will def be picking up the subsequent issues, anyone that hasn't checked it out needs to.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: online prowler on October 11, 2013, 06:57:13 AM
(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh231/icepick_method/mfteq1.png)

Merge this into thread?

http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=167.0 (http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=167.0)



Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Johann on October 12, 2013, 01:49:10 AM
has anyone checked out the two Network Magazines that Hanson put out?


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: New Forces on October 13, 2013, 08:50:14 PM
NEW FORCES #1
Good reading! Quite brief. Not perfect lay-out etc, but very nice reading! It's very inspiring to see more and more paper 'zine appear!


I'm glad you liked it. This first one was an experiment, and overall I'm happy with how it went. I'm not a very creative or artistic guy so the layout was a big challenge - moving forward that's the main area to keep working hard on.

The next issue is currently "in production," expect interviews with Deterge, Justin Lakes (of Muck / Breached Hull / Pusdrainer, talking about the Summer Scum harsh noise and power electronics festival that he has organized twice), Skin Graft, Hostage Pageant, Custodian, a feature on RRR records, 90's Americanoise obsession with Brad Griggs, and some other things that are still being finalized but are very exciting. And, of course, reviews.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: re:evolution on October 15, 2013, 08:45:19 AM
No new information - just some minor house keeping to have relevant links included this thread:

Spectrum Magazine Archive Issues 1# thru 5#: 1998-2001
Download PDF's of all 5 back issues here: http://spectrummagarchive.wordpress.com/ (http://spectrummagarchive.wordpress.com/)

Noise Receptor Journal Issue 1#: 2013
The physical manifestation of the review blog of the same name.
Details and purchase information here: http://noisereceptor.wordpress.com/physicality/ (http://noisereceptor.wordpress.com/physicality/)


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on October 15, 2013, 04:56:40 PM
has anyone checked out the two Network Magazines that Hanson put out?

Wasn't it basically just re-printed old flyers and catalogues? Kind of good idea, as some old catalogues are always inspiring to browse... but perhaps I'd rather see thick book of such thing than series of magazines.


NEW FORCES #1
Good reading! Quite brief. Not perfect lay-out etc, but very nice reading! It's very inspiring to see more and more paper 'zine appear!

I'm glad you liked it. This first one was an experiment, and overall I'm happy with how it went. I'm not a very creative or artistic guy so the layout was a big challenge - moving forward that's the main area to keep working hard on.

The next issue is currently "in production," expect interviews with Deterge, Justin Lakes (of Muck / Breached Hull / Pusdrainer, talking about the Summer Scum harsh noise and power electronics festival that he has organized twice), Skin Graft, Hostage Pageant, Custodian, a feature on RRR records, 90's Americanoise obsession with Brad Griggs, and some other things that are still being finalized but are very exciting. And, of course, reviews.

I'm very curious of "90's americanoise obsession" piece. I think among the best stuff of #1 was those pieces where people express their enthusiasm and fanaticism towards other peoples work. Live gigs, best records, even records they want to get but haven't...

Today got in mail copies of REGRESS zine #3. Haven't seen past issues as far as I remember. Some noise content (T.P.R.) but mostly the raw edge of contemporary black metal. Black Cilice, Galloping Shadows,...   I'm kind of bonehead what comes to black metal, and I prefer almost exclusively nordic, slavonic and germanic black metal and mostly bands which have no appeal in "artistic sense". Often slightly uncomfortable seeing this much more modern raw bm as it appeals to operate so different of old ways...

Nevertheless, zine is decent reading, short, to the point, visually neat. Look forward more issues. Hopefully with more industrial/noise content!


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: 64 on October 16, 2013, 11:21:00 PM
Some Russian zines (all in Russian):

Fabrika Groz - the oldest one, courtesy of Alexander Lebedev-Frontov (Linija Mass/Stalnoey Pakt/Veprisuicida, Ultra label, etc.). The only issue was supposed to be published in the second half of the 90-ies, but I have no idea whether this actually happened. Some copies were made available a couple of years ago as a bonus for "Turning Virgins Into Doves" VHS. Features several interviews (some original, some translated), reviews and includes Ultra label catalog, which is one of its most important features since some releases are still missing from discogs. The title, which means "Thunderstorms Factory", is actually a pun on Hollywood as "Dream Factory" (wich translates to Russian as "Fabrika Gryoz").

Independent Eletronic Music (IEM), from which Monochrome Vision eventually arose. There was a total of four issues, and the last one came with a compilation CD which featured AMK, Dave Phillips, John Watermann, Lieutenant Caramel, Maeror Tri, PBK and Sigillum S among others.

Action Direct - published by UFA Muzak, only two issues exists, both limited to less than a hundred copies, I believe. The Last Call of Gjallarhorn, also by UFA Muzak, but not as limited and with a compilation CD.

Ostroga - published by the eponymous label. Mostly focusing on the local scene as well as including paintings, drawings, essays and so on by various authors. Two issues, both with compilation CD-Rs. Each single copy partially hand-made and hand-bound.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: vomitgore on December 01, 2013, 10:16:40 PM
Didn't manage to buy

SLEAZY AND OBSCURE

when it was on sale on FA. Does anybody know where it is still available?


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: davenpdx on September 07, 2014, 10:29:51 PM
Time to revive this thread…

There have been a few good noise/experimental/industrial ‘zines published from the US recently. I’m glad to see issues of New Forces (http://newforcesnoise.blogspot.com/) being released on a semi-regular basis--the last issue is #3 and is of the same high quality as previous issues. As people have stated elsewhere, the editor’s enthusiasm for harsh noise (and related genres) comes across clearly on every page… Each issue so far has been a treat.

I really liked the first issue of Eyestrain (http://m-i-n-d-w-o-u-n-d.tumblr.com/) as well--diverse interviews, beautiful layout and high-quality printing/binding. The all-caps text was my main complaint about this ‘zine, but apparently even this minor flaw will be changed in future issues. Certainly an effort worth supporting… I’m interested to see where it goes.

Also, Music We Hate (http://musicwehate.com/) has released three issues so far. I appreciate its regional focus (mostly California stuff), its handmade aesthetic, as well as its regular publishing schedule. The ambitious third issue came with a couple of prints as well as a DVD-r of videos, in addition to the ‘zine itself. I believe that the first three issues are now sold out, but some copies may still be in distros…

Shrouded Recordings ‘Zine (http://sbtdoh.bandcamp.com/merch/shrouded-recordings-zine-1) is a new effort from Oregon--new enough that I haven't read it yet! The first issue includes an interview with The Rita. Could be interesting…

Finally, not a new publication, but a project that may be of interest to those who care about older industrial/experimental ‘zines: apparently there is a documentary series in the works based on Unsound magazine and the underground covered by that publication. You can find a (currently-underfunded) IndieGoGo page for this documentary project--including a series trailer--here (http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/unsound-redux-usa).


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: New Forces on September 07, 2014, 11:15:17 PM
Music We Hate is great, excited to get the latest issue. Glad someone close to the scenes out there is documenting the "hubs" in LA and Oakland for harsh noise and the nastier side of industrial music. Enjoyed the first Eystrain too, you can't go wrong getting Luke Tandy to contribute some art to the layout.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: eyestrain on September 08, 2014, 01:45:55 AM
Music We Hate is great, excited to get the latest issue. Glad someone close to the scenes out there is documenting the "hubs" in LA and Oakland for harsh noise and the nastier side of industrial music. Enjoyed the first Eystrain too, you can't go wrong getting Luke Tandy to contribute some art to the layout.

Next issue will feature Luke's great work again, although only throughout the interior. Another phenomenal coage artist will handle the covers and there might be a lil additional graphic work inside. I'm very excited.

Music We Hate...had not seen this before, but looks great! The hunt begins...

New Forces #3 was officially the issue that really grabbed me. Great interviews (sans Ramirez, but that's just personal taste...), tighter layout and cool features.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: New Forces on September 08, 2014, 03:07:15 AM
http://musicwehate.com/


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: hkso on September 12, 2014, 01:24:50 PM
New Shocktilt issue should hit the market in early next year, heavy delayed but worth the long wait.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: ConcreteMascara on September 12, 2014, 02:55:54 PM
New Shocktilt issue should hit the market in early next year, heavy delayed but worth the long wait.

yay! is VOD every going to do the book compiling all the past stuff?


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on September 12, 2014, 06:12:40 PM
I was mentioned that plan was cancelled.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: hkso on September 12, 2014, 09:44:20 PM
Yeah the plan is to make two separate releases with the help from a swedish publishing house... first of all new issue and after that revised reprint of the first.
I have not worked so active with second issue, but done layout for maybe 60 pages so far. The parts remaining will be done once I find time. I have spent nearly nine years gathering material for it and can promise it will be superior to the first one. Shocktilt #2 will be worth waiting for. As soon as I have more information this will be first place I'll post it.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on October 10, 2014, 07:48:34 PM
There have been a few good noise/experimental/industrial ‘zines published from the US recently. I’m glad to see issues of New Forces (http://newforcesnoise.blogspot.com/) being released on a semi-regular basis--the last issue is #3 and is of the same high quality as previous issues. As people have stated elsewhere, the editor’s enthusiasm for harsh noise (and related genres) comes across clearly on every page… Each issue so far has been a treat.

I really liked the first issue of Eyestrain (http://m-i-n-d-w-o-u-n-d.tumblr.com/) as well--diverse interviews, beautiful layout and high-quality printing/binding. The all-caps text was my main complaint about this ‘zine, but apparently even this minor flaw will be changed in future issues. Certainly an effort worth supporting… I’m interested to see where it goes.

Yep!
Eyestrain #1 good. Some flaws of debut issue is present, like perhaps not acknowledging how much space to leave to "inner-margin" when doing this type of binding, and the all-caps one-column lay-out gets pretty heavy to read. But content itself is good. Unusual choices for interviews. Reviews what is mix of known & unknown. Not the safe choices, I'd say.

New Forces #3 is quite thin in content (compared to #1 and #2.. or is it just impression?). Macro Joe's top 100 noise takes quite a lot of space compared that you get the list basically in less than one page. Then re-typing it all again barely adds information, but takes several pages. Ramirez interview is quite old - his own audio monologue transcribed, but good nevertheless. Reviews, more reviews, top harsh noise lists, top wants of noise (haha!), decent interviews. Clearly FANZINE, in the most positive sense. You can feel the enthusiasm of noise fans here, and it can be better than cold and professional content.

Noise Receptor #2 was good again. Great concept, and feels like Eyestrain #1 was like american response for this. Both being couple interviews, several pages of artworks and reviews. NR goes more to industrial/ritual/power electronics realms.

Few more quite recent zines in reading-pile....


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: sbtdoh on October 23, 2014, 04:55:32 AM
i finally signed up on this board and since i (totally to my happy surprise) saw my new zine mentioned i thought id at least direct y'all towards it:

shrouded recordings zine #1 can be found here:  https://sbtdoh.bandcamp.com/merch/shrouded-recordings-zine-1-002

it featured interviews with sam from the rita, etc and ted from negative paper assembly (I still have many copies, it comes with a double sided poster and other goodies)

this will be a quarterly zine. issue #2 will be out in January with interviews from Andrew from Column of Heaven, etc, etc and taylor from scream & write distro, etc, etc. the zine also features all cassette tape reviews of tapes from any time period.

also starting in early 2015 alongside the shrouded recordings zine will be the 'tape hoarder' zine which will be a zine all things cassette tapes.

i am looking for anyone who would be interested in participating in the tape hoarder zine. and am open to receiving anything that would like to be considered for print. I am not doing this to try to just get free stuff but if you have spent the time to make a cassette tape, I will happily consider it for review if I receive a copy. I am happy to do trades, etc. I have purchased ALL my tapes that I have reviewed so far, but my funds can only go so far and I can expand to include as many folks would like to see a review of their material in print.

i passionately want to keep physical media alive!

Thank you for the kind mention earlier in this post. Made me very happy. take care


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: xkonyayx on January 22, 2017, 04:26:43 AM
Any have a French "Acephale" zine in PDF or scans?


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Deadpriest on August 03, 2017, 03:39:00 PM
I have a copy of an Idwal Fisher zine from about 10 years ago if anyone wants to pay £8(?) plus the postage.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Coiled on May 26, 2019, 08:17:29 AM
Does anyone know if there was ever an Eskhatos #3?

I've got #1 and #2, and in the editorial for #2 it announces a list of bands that will be in issue #3, but I've never seen #3.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: saleindus on June 06, 2019, 03:56:51 PM
Does anyone know if there was ever an Eskhatos #3?
I've got #1 and #2, and in the editorial for #2 it announces a list of bands that will be in issue #3, but I've never seen #3.
I wasn't aware of that zine at the time it was operating but the issue 2 is downloadable on this site. The site is based in France yet there are foreign archives in it.
https://fanzinotheque.centredoc.fr/index.php?lvl=bulletin_display&id=20258

Any have a French "Acephale" zine in PDF or scans?
I don't think so. The only source remaining is probably this archive site mirrored from Geocities at the end of 2009.
http://www.oocities.org/cf/acephaleorg/


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Neanderthal on January 05, 2020, 02:30:50 AM
I was given a small stack of old zines by a friend not too long ago, which happened to contain issues 18 and 21 of ND.
Holy shit, I'm still blown away by the content, and now I feel like I'm on a quest to read / acquire many more issues of ND. I assume eBay is my best bet but are there any other aftermarket places for zines like this?

Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: CMSFoundation on January 05, 2020, 11:10:31 PM
I was given a small stack of old zines by a friend not too long ago, which happened to contain issues 18 and 21 of ND.
Holy shit, I'm still blown away by the content, and now I feel like I'm on a quest to read / acquire many more issues of ND. I assume eBay is my best bet but are there any other aftermarket places for zines like this?

Thanks in advance.

Welcome to the search for the most search engine-resistant zine name of all time. ("N D" returns about 3+ million selections until you learn how to whittle it down a bit)

There might be a few on eBay, but the best bet (and I can't believe I'm giving you this info because I'm still looking for a few of these issues myself) are some of the rare book sites, specifically alibris.com and abebooks.com. If you add "Daniel Plunkett" to the search, you can track down a generous handful of issues of N D, with far fewer returns than just typing in "ND". Sometimes, if you do a search based on a handful of artists in each issue, you might track down some others that are harder to find.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: CMSFoundation on January 05, 2020, 11:16:39 PM
...there's also a Discogs-related site called Bookogs that has just started dipping its toe into music zines. There are a *few* issues of N D there, maybe, or least listings for them. Bookogs is absurdly hard to navigate and has one of the worst search functions I've ever seen, but there are some noise/industrial zine gems to be found over there if you're willing to do some trial-and-error search fiddling.

EDIT: apparently Bookogs decided to take away the one useful feature of that shit site and has disabled the marketplace function. Feel free to disregard this. There's a suggestion that bookogs' marketplace stuff (music zines etc.) will eventually come under the discogs umbrella, but I can't imagine that'll be any time soon.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: impulse manslaughter on January 06, 2020, 12:42:23 AM
Finding old fanzines online is a pain in the ass for sure. Sometimes I randomly find some on eBay. Usually people are only bidding when there's stuff like Throbbing Gristle or Coil inside..


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on January 06, 2020, 10:39:23 AM
There is good interview with Seymour Glass of Bananafish magazine at:
https://www.noisextra.com/2020/01/01/in-conversation-with-seymour-glass-bananafish/

It is interesting, but also kind of annoying reminder about state of things. Amount of people who are really into magazines is rapidly declining. Bananafish is rated as cult magazine by many, yet man still had boxes full of his old issues waiting for people to buy. You can grab them from Tedium House website. Yep, I guess that's the news. There is still good old internet 1.0 html website with items for sale. I found it quite brutal reminder of my own behavior, that I didn't even know Bananafish still had issues available! I just assumed all are gone 15+ years ago.

If you count out Special Interests forum, I do not visit "internet sites" almost at all. Theme could be combined with internet sites disappearing all together. Noiseguide, Heathen Harvest, all the yahoogroups, etc. When one needs the old info and some interview to make quite from... it's likely no longer out there.

It is unfortunate fact that most places I tend to go, is merely platforms of huge businesses, not private websites. Not that I would use much of bandcamp nor most of the social media services either. Been removing most of my own stuff from places like that unless I absolutely don't have other option.

Internet 2.0 is so far from mindset of "magazine", that those who have lived decade on free instant gratification, probably are unlikely to type url, visit store, send email order, wait to be billed, pay (including probably annoying price of shipping) , and wait box to arrive.. might not feel it relevant at all. I can understand that very very easily. Yet one can see that this leads to magazines to cease to exists.

Like mr. Glass says, spending year with project, investing all that time, money and energy, and by each issue getting less back, was not really encouraging. Less - not being less money, but less enthusiasm. I am guessing that not even artists dropping short message of thanking to be included and all the friends just throwing the magazine into piles of "will check later on better time"... haha. I guess it comes down to is that amount of effort mentally equal to be seen only by... 100, 200,.. people? Instead of 500, 1000, 2000...?

Magazine like Bananafish couldn't probably downscale it. I would assume that this is obstacle that perhaps most magazines had. ND, ALAP, Bananafish, and so on... can you just downscale it to level of making it "fun" again - and maintain the spirit of magazine? Hard to say. Although I would say that if next week would be announced series of mini ALAP 'zines consisting all material that was generated over the years, I'd prefer that over several hundred pages book that might or might not get done?


Market for old 'zines...  I was quite surprised at some point when I did discover bookogs. It felt like really needed and good idea, that could potentially fill the gap. Both, selling new inventory, but most of all old stuff. Then, very quickly one could realize that IF the main site Discogs is so touchy about the content, you can be damn sure that any slightly transgressive zine worth buying, any slightly obscure book  you'd be into getting, won't be there after one bozo files complaint.

So, all in all, I would think that despite thinking internet will preserve and make everything visible, actually there is and will be underground culture, that remains to be accessible for limited time and limited amount of people. It might be also good thing, although I'd like to see magazines documenting it, be able to spread 10 fold print runs.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: absurdexposition on January 06, 2020, 05:27:19 PM
Market for old 'zines...  I was quite surprised at some point when I did discover bookogs. It felt like really needed and good idea, that could potentially fill the gap. Both, selling new inventory, but most of all old stuff. Then, very quickly one could realize that IF the main site Discogs is so touchy about the content, you can be damn sure that any slightly transgressive zine worth buying, any slightly obscure book  you'd be into getting, won't be there after one bozo files complaint.

I was thinking about this as well, mainly when I was adding items to the database that had 'mature content'. They do have a checkbox for "This submission might contain offensive or sensitive content" when submitting an entry to the database, but I wonder what purpose that serves. It may only hide the content from search results unless 'allow explicit content' setting is enabled, and the items may still not be allowed in the marketplace.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: CMSFoundation on January 06, 2020, 06:57:41 PM
Market for old 'zines...  I was quite surprised at some point when I did discover bookogs. It felt like really needed and good idea, that could potentially fill the gap. Both, selling new inventory, but most of all old stuff. Then, very quickly one could realize that IF the main site Discogs is so touchy about the content, you can be damn sure that any slightly transgressive zine worth buying, any slightly obscure book  you'd be into getting, won't be there after one bozo files complaint.

I was thinking about this as well, mainly when I was adding items to the database that had 'mature content'. They do have a checkbox for "This submission might contain offensive or sensitive content" when submitting an entry to the database, but I wonder what purpose that serves. It may only hide the content from search results unless 'allow explicit content' setting is enabled, and the items may still not be allowed in the marketplace.

Guessing this is a big part of why they shut the marketplace function down recently. Irritating! I had been eyeing an old issue of The Sound Projector over there, which I guess is just back up in someone's attic again for the time being.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Zeno Marx on January 06, 2020, 07:12:21 PM
I have scans of ND 5, 6, 8-10, and 13.  I would be glad to upload them, but it would take a while for me to get to it.  I would think the Die or D.I.Y. blogger might have more of them and might respond to a request.  That's just a guess though.

Here's a link to one of the ND cassettes.
http://dieordiy2.blogspot.com/2015/03/zan-hoffmanagog-fragment-2-n-d-magazine.html

It's too bad Notes From Underground isn't still active.  I would guess most of the links are dead by now.
http://smallprintpress.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: absurdexposition on January 06, 2020, 08:06:36 PM
It's too bad Notes From Underground isn't still active.  I would guess most of the links are dead by now.
http://smallprintpress.blogspot.com/

I just downloaded 2 from September 2009, looks like the links are still a go!


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Hatefukk on January 06, 2020, 08:36:01 PM
I was digging around on Bookogs but didn't notice a marketplace.  Is there one associated with Bookogs like we see on discogs? 


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: CMSFoundation on January 06, 2020, 08:44:25 PM
I was digging around on Bookogs but didn't notice a marketplace.  Is there one associated with Bookogs like we see on discogs? 

There was, but they just discontinued it.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Neanderthal on January 06, 2020, 10:10:20 PM
I have scans of ND 5, 6, 8-10, and 13.  I would be glad to upload them, but it would take a while for me to get to it.  I would think the Die or D.I.Y. blogger might have more of them and might respond to a request.  That's just a guess though.
I would take you up on that if and when you have the time - it's certainly no emergency or anything, your gesture is great enough. That blog is really cool too. I became aware of it a few months ago & was happy to see a healthy selection of City of Worms tapes on there.

Cool to see this thread getting some momentum though. As someone in the tail end of their mid-20's, I essentially grew up with the internet 2.0.
In general I detest it, but that's probably easy for me to say since I don't know what adulthood was like before it. To keep a very, very long story short: I never read pdf's of anything unless there is absolutely no means of obtaining a physical copy.

I was also reassured of a feeling I've had when listening to the Wind Licked Dirt episode of Noisextra, where GX talks about the term 'noise', and before it came to be - mentioning how things were much more open and experimental because it had yet to be a template. That's the shit to me, that's what I feel like is missing today, that's why I'm obsessed with N D.

Cheers

Edit: BIG thanks to CMSFoundation for the info as well, found a local seller who I'm hoping will let me buy some issues of N D in person. Thank you


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Zeno Marx on January 06, 2020, 11:30:33 PM
I have scans of ND 5, 6, 8-10, and 13.  I would be glad to upload them, but it would take a while for me to get to it.  I would think the Die or D.I.Y. blogger might have more of them and might respond to a request.  That's just a guess though.
I would take you up on that if and when you have the time - it's certainly no emergency or anything, your gesture is great enough. That blog is really cool too. I became aware of it a few months ago & was happy to see a healthy selection of City of Worms tapes on there.
All the [ND] links at this blog are still good.  JPGs in good quality.  My bet is that is where I got them.

http://smallprintpress.blogspot.com/

It's interesting these folks aren't interested in digitizing their work.  I get it, and I don't.  They could leave it open source so the potential for the more tech savvy could maybe add menus etc.  I constantly use The Crack in the Cosmic Egg light web edition.  I so very appreciate having access to that information; not having to go open my book.  Noisextra often talks about the Wayback Machine Archive.  Information in all forms is good.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: CMSFoundation on January 07, 2020, 12:17:33 AM
Edit: BIG thanks to CMSFoundation for the info as well, found a local seller who I'm hoping will let me buy some issues of N D in person. Thank you

Glad to hear it! If you see spare copies of ND issues 1, 2, or 8 there, I'd love to know about it -- assuming you don't get them first, of course!


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: NO PART OF IT on January 07, 2020, 11:02:27 AM
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One recent example of a zine I have squinted to read on the internet:  Premature Ejaculation being interviewed by Michael Gira in "NO" Magazine. 

I would not mind a bootleg zine label, honestly.  I read too many pdfs of zines and books online.
Unfortunately, for me the issue is not about enthusiasm.  It is more about a lack of time and space.
Some of us are better at managing time than others, with so many options available. 
In the 80s and 90s, the possibility of living in a decent sized apartment or house was much more plausible for a person of "starving artists" wages. 
Now many of us are living in spaces the size of a thumb tack, unfortunately. 

But I still find a great joy in reading interviews of talented people who somehow found all of these rare and obscure outlets prior to the internet.
I think the art of the interview is yet another lost art at this point.
I think Lingua Ignota and Pharmakon are wildly intelligent, among a few others, but generally, I'm not getting out of interviews what I used to get out of them. 
I think the internet has caused people to ask less daring and ultimately stupid questions more often.  Not that I haven't asked a stupid question or two in my life, of course. 



Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: aububs on January 11, 2020, 02:50:33 AM
would love if the noisextra people could track down patrick marley of muckraker for an interview too. would probably cover a lot of the same ground as the seymour glass interview, but still. the glass interview could have been a couple hours longer and i'd have stuck around

what is the deal with ALAP? a book is being worked on?


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on January 11, 2020, 02:58:15 PM
It's the old information. I mean, even first issue of ALAP is more like book than "zine". Back then, I was told that issue #2 would be even bigger. When you got probably 200 pages, it's barely "magazine"...

But after this many years, it's hard to know what is status of magazine. It seems editors do not reveal status of magazine, so we'll just have to wait and see.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Bruitiste on January 11, 2020, 07:40:10 PM
would love if the noisextra people could track down patrick marley of muckraker for an interview too. would probably cover a lot of the same ground as the seymour glass interview, but still. the glass interview could have been a couple hours longer and i'd have stuck around

what is the deal with ALAP? a book is being worked on?
Agreed to all that.  Seymour Glass was genial on the episode and I would've loved to hear much more — seems there's a hundred other topics they could've touched upon.  I could even picture it as a series of interviews, each one focusing on an issue of Bananafish.  But SG probably has other things to do, that would take a lot of his time.

Muckraker was not as great but it'd still be an interesting interview.

And I do hope ALAP 2 comes out in some form one day.


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Duncan on January 12, 2020, 02:36:14 AM
Just another voice here to say that I thought the Seymour Glass podcast was excellent.  He's such a great dude with endless reserves of interesting things to say and has a really nice voice to boot so it was an all round great listen.  I'm not really a fan of noisextra though I do really respect that they do it and would never criticise it for anything beyond simply not being to my taste, but this episode was excellent.  I'll definitely keep an eye on it for future interviews with more interesting characters.



Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: CMSFoundation on January 13, 2020, 06:14:37 PM
would love if the noisextra people could track down patrick marley of muckraker for an interview too. would probably cover a lot of the same ground as the seymour glass interview, but still. the glass interview could have been a couple hours longer and i'd have stuck around

what is the deal with ALAP? a book is being worked on?

1. Pat Marley's around. He covers politics for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Dunno that he'd have the time/resources to fly out to LA to talk to the gang, but I agree, it'd be a good interview. I don't think he's really done any writing about music since contributing to Bixobal, the five-issue Eric Lanzillotta zine from the early oughts. If you wanna buy some records from his collection, his discogs ID is mir71.

2. I appreciate that people are still keeping a candle burning, but I regret to inform you that As Loud As Possible is officially, formally dead. I (Chris) am working on a few projects, one of which will sweep up and publish some of my in-progress pieces for ALAP #2, the other being a totally new thing but with similar focus. Aiming for August of this year for the latter, but no promises ever (for obvious reasons...deadlines are not my strong suit, nor are sensibly-sized projects).


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: aububs on January 13, 2020, 06:48:28 PM
ha, well i appreciate you giving us closure

i hope some of the pieces that other people were working on for ALAP#2 surface in other areas too


Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Soloman Tump on January 13, 2020, 07:08:05 PM
I recently stumbled across Deft Esoterica zine, based in New York.  2 issues printed to date, 3rd being worked on now.
Subject matter is noise / drone / experimental.
I ordered mine via Bandcamp - https://deftesoterica.bandcamp.com/

And for some shameless self publicity, issue 7 of my Snare Rush zine is out around the end of this month, featuring Gaelic ritual industrial duo Salac and a whole array of other matters.
http://www.snarerush.limitedrun.com/



Title: Re: Industrial / noise / experimental magazines that has existed?
Post by: Hatefukk on January 17, 2020, 10:41:29 PM
I had to dig through my browser history forever to find this but I think it will be of much interest to people here.  It is a blog that has an impressive selection of rare zines going way back that deal with noise/pe music.  Most of the links are still active and I have found a veritable treasure trove of great zines on here.  If you have a moment go ahead and give it a gander:

http://smallprintpress.blogspot.com/