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Title: New setup advice
Post by: Kollaps on August 17, 2014, 06:31:00 PM
Hello,

I'm relatively new to the noise scene and I was hoping that the users of this forum could point me in the right direction in regards to acquiring an actual setup. I already do a lot of Keiji Haino-esque 'noise' stuff with a guitar however I wanted to get more seriously into it in order to expand my repertoire of sounds.

I'm very interested in feedback and lo-fi sounds. Pharmakon and would be a great example of the sounds I'm into and looking for. I'm particularly interested in the setup used in this vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV6iaC1kWMg

To some it up, I'm starting from scratch and would appreciate any input or advice into where I should begin. Thank you.



Title: Re: New setup advice
Post by: davenpdx on August 19, 2014, 06:38:15 PM
As you mentioned Pharmakon, you may find this thread about the gear in her live setup to be useful:
http://www.maniacsonly.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3252

In the video you linked, the setup is somewhat different than what is discussed in the thread above. In the clip, she uses mic'd sheet metal in the beginning. If you don't already have this information, here is how to assemble a contact mic:
http://home.earthlink.net/~erinys/contactmic.html

Making contact mics is easy, but making sturdy contact mics takes a lot more practice and experimentation. I dunno just how new you are to all of this, but if you haven't already tried making contact mics, it's cheap and is probably a good place to start.

Of course, I should give the standard noise advice: don't fixate on gear, but think of the sort of sounds you want and find some way to create them. Ingenuity and resourcefulness are more important than having such-and-such piece of gear.

PS - Other useful advice for beginners:
http://www.stenchforums.net/post9828.html#p9828


Title: Re: New setup advice
Post by: Cementimental on August 20, 2014, 02:04:20 PM
Get as many as possible free/cheap pieces of equipment that make, record, play or effect sound in any way whatsoever, and connect them together in various ways


Title: Re: New setup advice
Post by: Kollaps on August 20, 2014, 06:57:29 PM
Thank you both. I've managed to scrap a few things together after rummaging through old equipment and rearranging the use of other things:

SM57 / 2 CONTACT MICS / BEHRINGER XENYX 802 / ENVELOPE FILTER / RSH-01 SIG PEDAL/ ROLAND SP404sx - really want avoid button pushing, however/ 80's JAPANESE YAMAHA DELAY/

I'm really not into the very high white/pink noise, hi frequency type stuff. I want to get low end, percussive type sounds happening.


Title: Re: New setup advice
Post by: Cementimental on August 20, 2014, 10:18:10 PM
Pretty nice bunch of gear!

I find fairly basic feedback loops good for bass rumbling, even a couple of pure no-input mixer fx send to channels can be good for some kind of rhythmical click/thump kind of sounds


Title: Re: New setup advice
Post by: C601 on August 21, 2014, 03:26:13 PM
I've gotten a good rumble by shoving a contact mic up my ass and grunting


Title: Re: New setup advice
Post by: Kollaps on August 21, 2014, 05:22:22 PM
I put my sampler and distortion pedal in what was my attempt at my first ever feedback loop and it kind of just sounded like I was just overloading the mixer - , i.e, screaming, high pitch sound.

I set it up as: mixer headphone out-> Mixer Channel 1-> FX SEND -> MIC INPUT. I should be set  for some feedback, no? Have I got the signal flow right? Excuse my ignorance.


Title: Re: New setup advice
Post by: Cementimental on August 21, 2014, 08:23:06 PM
yes that's feedback :) Just need more pedals/complexity and/or some specific amount of gain/eq to get more interesting sounds

Try some different things. eg fx send to mixer channel 1, headphone out to channel 2 gives you maybe more control since there's two seperate loops rather that one which kind of goes in and out again....

Pure 'no input mixer' feedback ideally needs a fairly complex mixer so you can connect a lot of different channels and sends etc to get a more interesting sound. Having said that one of my first albums was almost all pure mixer feedback just using a cheap DJ mixer and an even cheaper camcorder audio mixer and like one distortion pedal, without any permission or instruction from the internet. :)


Title: Re: New setup advice
Post by: tinnitustimulus on August 22, 2014, 02:55:35 AM
Everybody in harsh noise has either a DOD death metal, DOD Grunge, Boss bass overdrive and/or Boss heavy metal for the most part. Do not buy one of those immediately though, this has become kind of stagnant for the genre even though I have two of those aforementioned pedals. I have no idea what the RSH 01 is like, but I personally find the bass overdrive after a DOD fx25 envelope filter decent if the sensitivity is low on an amplified object. I usually need a distortion before the envelope to flatten and manually control the filter when I want to, preferable something that has range in gain and EQ (tone).

a little bit of phase effect to repeating samples goes a long way, having it on full blast makes it sound stupid to me though. 

sometimes people put springs on amplified objects to add a longer sustain of a lower signal before it feedbacks into itself and it does tend to have more interesting feedback changes. I prefer double sided mounting tape when I use contact mics on things, its fairly cheap and everybody in the store knows where it is from making displays with it, though get the indoor kind since when it's too strong the mic fall apart before the mounting tape does.

Feedback loops/no-input are a heck of a lot more satisfying if you have an equalizer in the scenario, otherwise you really don't have much of an say to whatever frequency it will be. I'm tired of them frankly, but I did those things for 8 years so maybe its just me.


Title: Re: New setup advice
Post by: Kollaps on August 22, 2014, 06:34:18 AM
Thank you, I'll try your suggestions.

One thing that I've noticed is that while I'm running the sampler, and even other pedals, into an FX loop the signal isn't really very loud at all. I also thought that within the feedback loop you'd be able to, however vaguely, hear the original samples somehow.

I'm running it straight into a pair of computer speakers without any DI's or anything... Checked all the channels, volume is maxed out as is the master. Why is it so quiet? I was kind of expecting it to blow my ass out of the room.


Title: Re: New setup advice
Post by: Leewar on August 22, 2014, 08:27:49 PM
Dont buy anything anyone else uses.


Title: Re: New setup advice
Post by: tinnitustimulus on August 23, 2014, 04:19:09 PM
I'm running it straight into a pair of computer speakers without any DI's or anything... Checked all the channels, volume is maxed out as is the master. Why is it so quiet? I was kind of expecting it to blow my ass out of the room.

Bass is not as powerful when it is clipped to the point of being a bunch of clicks. This even worse with digital stuff, as analog stuff tends to be softer with clipping. No Input can defy logic from high volume offsetting the signal so hard, it clips to nothing, becoming quieter when you turn it up.


Title: Re: New setup advice
Post by: Kollaps on August 24, 2014, 07:28:42 PM
Cheers man.

Ah, just curious about the use of tape decks in noise music? Are they just used as a sound source? I've noticed a few artists that I like, such as Pharmakon, use them and I'm curious as to what their actual use is.


Title: Re: New setup advice
Post by: Häkkis Atte on August 24, 2014, 09:30:34 PM
Cheers man.

Ah, just curious about the use of tape decks in noise music? Are they just used as a sound source? I've noticed a few artists that I like, such as Pharmakon, use them and I'm curious as to what their actual use is.

They can be used as sound source but also as recording devices. Tape can handle louder noise than digital devices because of the tape compression. Also tape clipping sounds different and somehow more "natural" than digital clipping.


Title: Re: New setup advice
Post by: Cementimental on August 25, 2014, 12:17:03 AM
also, tape loops offer a lot of possibilities especially in a 4track or more recorder. possible tho fiddly with modified audiocassettes, much easier and more possibilities with open-reel 1/4" tape recorders


Title: Re: New setup advice
Post by: tinnitustimulus on August 25, 2014, 04:49:09 AM
The tape player for the blind has multiple outputs for effect possibilities. I tried to explain how i use tape loops on the gear pic thread, but i think i got too meta about it.


Title: Re: New setup advice
Post by: Kollaps on August 25, 2014, 06:41:17 AM

A little bit, yeah...