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Title: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on October 18, 2021, 10:45:20 PM
OUT NOW!
EPISODE #1 - Ilkka Vekka of HAARE
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w6dcTRiWDE
Audio only: https://whitecentipedenoise.buzzsprout.com/ (will be available on all major platforms by tomorrow)

White Centipede Noise has launched a podcast, with emphasis on video interviews with a wide range of artists, labels, and individuals close to WCN, and will be published on YouTube, as well as all major podcast platforms. The vision is to follow the invaluable tradition of written zine interviews as a means to spread and archive vital underground information, but using the modern format of video/"podcasts" to expand the limitations of written interviews, allowing personality and spontaneity to flourish. I think as fanatics of such a niche genre of music, it's quite rare that most of us are able to have in depth face-to-face conversations with others who share this passion equally, and when we are able to do so, it usually has lasting meaning. I hope to be able to capture and share the significance of such exchanges through these interviews, while remaining focused on the information the guest has to offer.

1 hour+ episodes will be posted bi-monthly. There will be no paywall for content, so it will be free and remain free for all to listen to.

Episode #2 coming in 2 weeks, featuring Erik Nystrand of CAPERS / VMS ELIT / TEAM BORO TAPES etc.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: absurdexposition on October 18, 2021, 11:33:51 PM
Great format and content. Looking forward to more. Nice work, Oskar!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Theodore on October 19, 2021, 03:40:52 AM
Yeah, i enjoyed it. Well done ! Since this is only the beginning, cant wait for what's next. Yes, written interviews are invaluable. These 'live' ones are something fresh. Now i tasted it, i want more. Works better than 'radio' podcasts -for me- , 'radio' doesnt keep me to listen, this does . I guess face matters [?] .

There is an obstacle i can think of though. Compared to written interviews. Two actualy. I guess there will be people that maybe reject interview request cause they wouldnt want their face on TV. Also others may be not as good in english oral communication compared to written form. But these are problems for the very far future. Till then, keep up ! And thanks !


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: NerveGas on October 19, 2021, 06:22:30 AM
Great first episode. Excited for more. Haare spent a lot of time in my tape deck during the early months of the pandemic so I’m happy to have this content available.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on October 19, 2021, 10:34:45 AM
Wrote this in FA fb page:
Very nice addition to noise podcasts. White Centipede Noise podcast #1 acknowledges the 20+ years old drone-noise master HAARE. During this episode Vekka is name dropping some Finns that global noise scene may have not heard of. Oskar concludes that names of many new Finnish bands are so odd and difficult, that one can't really remember them.
I guess that the names are not Ahlzagailzehguh, Metgumbnerbone and Infektionsabteilung -type of difficult to pronounce or remember. It is true, that a lot of names that doesn't seem to make sense or mean anything. In this episode Haare talks about meaning of his band name and a lot of other things.
All Freak Animal's HAARE CD's are soon to be sold out, and the Industrial Recollections Haare 6xCD box set also couple dozen remains! Don't be late. Freak Animal has been drumming the greatness of Haare for couple decades, but it seems that his work now growingly more appreciated. When pressings are gone, they are gone.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: W.K. on October 19, 2021, 12:52:45 PM
Great news, another noise podcast! The more the better, and now we can also have some EU noise talks and interviews! All hails to WCN!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: W.K. on October 19, 2021, 01:00:32 PM
There is an obstacle i can think of though. Compared to written interviews. Two actualy. I guess there will be people that maybe reject interview request cause they wouldnt want their face on TV. Also others may be not as good in english oral communication compared to written form. But these are problems for the very far future. Till then, keep up ! And thanks !

I'm not WCN so I can't speak for him, but if someone doesn't want to show its face it could be omitted by showing art, tapes, releases, gear etc. and still have a good 'video'?

Also personally, how much as I like to read magazines and written interviews, for me I really like to hear the voice of the artist itself in stead of reading an interview but still have my own voice attached to it. If that makes any sense.



Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Soloman Tump on October 19, 2021, 02:14:19 PM
This is great, thank you for starting this project up.  I did not know much about Haare but I do now.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: urall on October 19, 2021, 08:02:47 PM
Excellent stuff ! Good quality (content but also sound and video) + i appreciate that Oskar kept the cut & paste
aesthetic alive in the visuals.

Can't wait to see what the future brings.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: HateSermon on October 20, 2021, 12:22:59 AM
Yeah, i enjoyed it. Well done ! Since this is only the beginning, cant wait for what's next. Yes, written interviews are invaluable. These 'live' ones are something fresh. Now i tasted it, i want more. Works better than 'radio' podcasts -for me- , 'radio' doesnt keep me to listen, this does . I guess face matters [?]

I agree. I’m a visual person and I think thats a big reason why I have a hard time listening to podcasts.

Great work, WCN. Looking forward to the next one.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Urban Noise on October 20, 2021, 02:30:15 PM
I always try to listen to podcasts, but fail all the time and end up not following any. I don't have enough free time to dedicate to listening to a podcast, but this one I managed to watch in its entirety (in two times).
After checking a few minutes it was clear that there was something good going on. Loved the the content and the natural flow in the conversation. Great work!
Been following Haare the best I can and was always a project that sparked my attention. It was nice to know more about him!

Really nice work! Looking forward to more.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on October 26, 2021, 10:54:40 AM

I'm not WCN so I can't speak for him, but if someone doesn't want to show its face

What gimp masks are for.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on October 26, 2021, 02:34:07 PM
I guess that the names are not Ahlzagailzehguh, Metgumbnerbone and Infektionsabteilung -type of difficult to pronounce or remember.

In fairness, you'd have to place the above 3 against a backdrop of other projects coming from the same region. Against other US & UK projects, the names Ahlz and Metgumbnerbone genuinely do stand out. This may not be the same for a poor English speaker trying to distinguish one long string of similar lookin' syllables from another long string of similar lookin' syllables.

Personally, I refuse to countenance any project with fewer than 10 syllables in the name.


The podcast was actually better than I expected. WCN coming with the hard questions. That's right, no pussy footing, cough up those top 10!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on November 01, 2021, 09:09:04 PM
Episode 2 with Erik Nystrand of CAPERS (and VMS ELIT!) is out now on YouTube: https://youtu.be/jNsfSFZeMss

Episodes will air on WEEKLY basis from here on out, every Monday at 18:00 CET

Lots of great stuff recorded already, tons more in the pipeline.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Duncan on November 02, 2021, 12:51:27 PM
Very very strong episode. Articulated a lot of thoughts and opinions that I share 100% in a very reasonable fashion. Good to see and hear people who can discuss this stuff deeply and passionately while still behaving like adults. Amazing to hear someone pronounce Monde Bruits properly also, or just about. Well done WCN.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: absurdexposition on November 02, 2021, 06:26:09 PM
Great episode. This is important stuff.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: BrownhillMafia on November 03, 2021, 08:40:00 PM
Yes! Again a great episode. Nystrand's longing for "wild unpredictable savages" was one of the highlights.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on November 04, 2021, 09:06:15 PM
Thank you all, really glad to hear people are enjoying it!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on November 06, 2021, 10:48:05 AM
This could go off slightly and laps at threads beaten like some ill-fated equine but I was interested in Mr. Nystrand's remarks on the sense of pumping shit out into a void and the comorbid sense that words matter. I'd just like to put in a good word for silence. Freedom in a vacuum, a fine and dearly departed label. People are definitely out there, listening, taking notes (maybe not literally but yes taking notes is probably a good way of putting it), appreciating and evaluating, constantly, or at least very regularly. The visible discourse has I suppose cheapened to an extent, which may in some cases curtail the occasional urge to vent on one platform or another but there are also the swings of the pendulum and the no less to be appraised sense that balance may be needed, here and there. Dean Glaister once opined eloquently on the subject, then put the money where the mouth had very determinedly absconded.

A side note on Capers- hadn't even heard about the project till the Usagi reissue but am here ready and willing to agree with any sentiments that would place it a cut above. I forget the adjective used in the interview but the specificity of the endeavor comes through loud and clear, if not - yet - inclining this listener to speak for any inherent er inherentness.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on November 06, 2021, 03:28:38 PM
Very good episode!

There is some ”oddities”, what may be caused that I still today relate to ”noise” in sort of overall umbrella term as opposed to lets say, pure harsh noise. There is a lot of things that I see differently, like the talk about ”recent uprise of noise CD’s”…  I usually conclude that yeah, it is great and I can see what people mean by it, but isn’t it something that all the post-industrial-noise labels in europe has been doing all the time, since CD was popularized? Like in Finland, you got FA, F&V, who always did CD’s. Even when CD's were supposedly ”uncool”, but always outsold vinyl and tape by numbers. You got Cold Spring, Tesco, OEC,… It seems as if the american pure noise scene dominates the discourse, while noise was being made by others all these years? Rest of the world, CD was always there? It never went away. Even in the years when people seem to think CD was as dead as CD (like say, 10+ years ago) can be, to me it seems like it was almost as golden years of noise CD's. One can check out how much stuff was reissued on Industrial Recollections for example. There was always demand for format and I kept recommending every label I was in touch to start making again. Especially the utmost classics being repressed. All this time, only thing what did not work out was the old style where you could put out anything, press 500-1000 and expect it to actually sell. Of course not. But edition of 200-300 noise CD's, flourished all this time if I look from my perspective and CD's were being made, also pure harsh noise.

People are definitely out there, listening, taking notes (maybe not literally but yes taking notes is probably a good way of putting it), appreciating and evaluating, constantly, or at least very regularly. The visible discourse has I suppose cheapened to an extent, which may in some cases curtail the occasional urge to vent on one platform or another but there are also the swings of the pendulum and the no less to be appraised sense that balance may be needed, here and there.

This mentioned "silence" was one reason why I stopped Special Interests magazine reviews. It felt annoying to be sometimes only guy, who’s word on some specific release would be permanently immortalized on paper. If album would get, say, 10 reviews, it would be no problem to give harsh subjective criticism or praise, yet if review is perhaps only existing long lasting document… it started to feel almost as baggage. Why I would have to be "authority" to comment it? hah.. It would be more interesting if there is dialogue about the album. If not in literal sense, but in form of multiple reviews, from multiple perspectives.

For several years, I had intentional goal, to try to keep a bit more distance, to try to not be too vocal about things I like, or dislike. In favor of, ehm… "giving space” to new voices, hah.... However, I do not think giving "space" is working out if very little happens. Zines? Reviews? Analysis? Many times it seems that if discussion about noise emerges, you can bet that it is often merely excuse for worried talk about sexism and fascism or some stoooopid nonsense, as opposed to honest and passionate interest in noise.

I am pretty sure, that WCN format is something what can vitalize noise discussion and be also more. Sparking also other things, hopefully. I would assume there would be plenty of potential and also covering different sides of of genre. Even if Nystrand gets almost into existential anguish about the state of noise at times, it is most of all positive and creative interview. Recommended also for those who may have no idea what is Capers or VMS Elit.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Baglady on November 07, 2021, 12:43:28 AM
existential anguish about the state of noise
Haha. I am quite happy with the state of noise, but as with all things dear and close to heart, I do get passionate about it, too.

As for the CD question, I threw out some thoughts off the cuff, and you’re certainly right there. The format was never gone, just not in style in my little corner of the scene.

Very glad people enjoyed the episode, and that it sparked some discussion! I certainly didn’t expect the response.



Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on November 09, 2021, 10:45:30 AM
almost existential anguish. That is good quality in man ;)
Showing that it is not "just noise", "who cares", but it is more.

In Capers piece, there was talk about lack of journalism. I think its not only journalism, but it feels that there is lack of communication in general? That several people have commented noticing how things are regressed more to emojis and pic posting. Perhaps something slightly connected to new episode, where is talk about "bandcamp culture" and so on.

Some years ago, I talked with some friends and mentioned that I will start to send feedback to people directly. Positive or negative. No matter do they want to hear it. hah. To give impression that it is not just a void, but there is a bit of resonation here. I feel it is absolutely positive. There is so much unused potential, but not sure if it will flourish if there is apathy and "who cares its just noise" -type attitude. In my opinion, it is not "just" noise.

3rd episode here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBLYczO8NWg

Listened the "premiere", but did not watch the video. Just listened.
Right after hearing it I was trying to find my favorite Kjostad, ”Glacial Lake” CD, but could not find, so Heat Signature CD on WCN went on CD player.

I like what I hear on podcast, but also wonder if there further depth.. or focus that could be applied? Most of these guys have already such a vast ”careers” so to say, that focus on something particular could be useful. Everybody seemed to feel live noise is the crucial thing. So more focus on stories and reasons of touring could have been nice. Like what it actually gives. What has been good, what has been lame. There was some of that. Actually even good amount, but seems there could have been vastly more. I have talked to some guys who are utterly vocal about live shows. That there is so unique spirit when somewhat like-minded people meet face to face and this energy usually leads to things. Something other, something even life-altering things, not just "bandcamp friday". Even the existence of entire basement/livingroom touring thing. Something that just doesn't really exists here.

Anekdotes, the live culture differences of.. say fests vs basement/livingroom shows, what it really is what is the key driving motivation on live noise etc. Or some other particular topic that can be dealt slightly deeper, if having handful or core "themes" or "topics" instead of going through decades worth of "careers". There was good stuff there, no complaints. Only… suggestions.

One thing I mentioned already was the talk about downfall of noise about 10 years ago? I often hear people talk about it and I have commented that to me it seems a bit like US-centric view. Stefan Aune did comment that is the case. Talk was about the american local scenes, and situation there, not about noise globally.

It seems to me, that wide variety of noise scene remains often unnoticed. You look someone like Urashima single handedly doing more noise vinyl than you could ever afford to buy? Of course a lot of it tends to be reissues. Or the supposedly quiet times and from European perspective, there was so much stuff happening. For me easiest to see local, so it would be clear Finland would be kicking in the currently flourishing new era of noise. Vanhala and so on pushing things to next level in harsh noise. F&V putting out probably 20 titles a year. Not really pure harsh noise, but neither power electronics in the traditional sense. Just as few examples. I was so busy with shows and releases flooding in all day everyday, there didn’t seem to time to notice there would be ”slow time” with noise? Especially if talking about accepting less than pure harsh noise, the kind of wonky and bizarre stuff, it would probably make one wonder if slightly US-centric approach in noise is, what may prevent one seeing MAAA, Umpio, Purgist, Mutant Ape, or something like that churning noise blast…? My assumption is that usually slow times in noise is almost purely subjective experience and looking to what others are doing, one sees a lot.

I've heard people speculating things are somehow slowing down in Finland. Bizarre Uproar, Grunt, Sick Seed, Vanhala and such are not playing gigs and so on. Well, perhaps we are not, but there is dozens of new things, gigs happening all the time. Nothing is slowing down, it could probably require someone to: Write about it. Acknowledging something, it has some results.

It was this podcast above that made me listen Heat Signature CD. Deserved attention and deserved reissue. Full blast harsh noise from contemporary harsh head guys. They have the taste, and skills to do the saturated, blown-up, hard and active noise always on the move. 30 mins duration, something that will lure you to push play instantly when disc ends. I listened it actually 3 times in row. It made me want to check out more. Also some of the releases these guys talked about.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Duncan on November 09, 2021, 02:11:54 PM
Another good and interesting episode. I'm struck with how a lot of the answers given around the question of 'what bugs you about noise today?' - saturation, constant disposable release culture, impersonal approaches - were being said about the scene a good 10-15 years ago which, I suppose, is probably around about the era these guys (and myself) would be looking at when thinking about what has been lost or has changed since. Now it's bandcamp, URL links and funnily enough ltd to 20 tapes that immediately 'sell out' to the same group of friends whereas then it was the same issues but with CDR, forums and download blogs. It's no disagreement or criticism of anyone involved with this episode, just interesting how things looked then vs now and what is really different or really the same. I certainly think that what was criticised in the early/mid 2000s now looks to have a lot of the characteristics we think are missing today - at least in that it was a lot more discursive, had perhaps a comparatively high level of diversity in approaches compared to now and took place across a wider range of smaller platforms rather than just 2 or 3 dominant social media corporations. And sure enough, some of the older guard of that time would be vocal about how THAT stuff had diluted the scene they were familiar with. It's not a clean cut comparison by any measure but I think there is some truth to it. Proof as always that new things change how we look at the old as much as is true in reverse. Similarly, the essence of what makes stuff good/bad is probably always going to be the same no matter what.  

It definitely seems like there are some recurring themes popping up in each episode now. I suspect this is more to do with the shared interests and views that naturally happen among the kind of people Oskar is speaking to - they've clearly been in contact and bonding over similar ideas for a long time so it's unavoidable. But even so I wonder how much it might inform Oskar's spot on comment that noise is so small that once 2 people say the same thing it can be taken as some giant ideological feeling within the entire culture?! I'm sure the podcast will inform some of that but more positively I can see it hopefully becoming a catalyst for a slight increase in people feeling like it's worth them making an effort to produce something in their own image and vision.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on November 09, 2021, 04:47:33 PM
This will go off, again, but a word in for the bandcamps. If ever the beer flu taught me a thing it is that the car is the noiseperv's best friend. Something I've often missed cause bar aforesaid learnings I'm mostly on the train. But portable format plus wheels equals match made in harsh heavenly hades. Case in point this weekend with Barstool Mountain. No tape, yet, but. Five-minute ride home but, thirty plus minutes of digitally formatted sounds, equates to exceedingly scenic route exceedingly enhanced by exceedingly blown out strains, vaguely worried but actually no not really that the damn vehicle is a continuous thirty plus stretched nigh on sixty plus minute mobile epilepsy of kingdom f-f-fucked. Feels wrong feels like I need be shitfaced puking guts to properly indulge, but, car.

Can't wait for the tape but in all honesty 92.4% of tapes are 98.3% headphones. (Might need to recalculate, will get back to you.) On the plus, puking guts.

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Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on November 10, 2021, 09:46:52 AM
It definitely seems like there are some recurring themes popping up in each episode now. I suspect this is more to do with the shared interests and views that naturally happen among the kind of people Oskar is speaking to

Based on 3 episodes, I don't know if can make yet conclusions, but while WCN may want to keep the scope to certain types of noise, there is great variety of locations. USA, Swe, Fin. I recall more Swedes were announced?

I think it would be great to hear Japanese, but I guess it might be language barrier why it isn't happening. This is something what I see related to "lack of journalism". We know the early Japanese noise fairly well, because first of all it was so great and also something new. But also because there were writing about it. Documentation of it. There would be nice photos. There would be stories of gigs. I recall back in 2005 when I was in Japan, Koji Tano was talking about first noise gig he went into. It was sort all all-starts japanese noise masters. Like dream come true for any noise fan. He concluded, audience was 6 persons, him included. Still some of these gigs are like noise folklore, that is conceptually immortalized in hundreds, if not thousands of peoples brain. Even if audience was, like CCCC told in old Bananafish interview "always the same 20 people". Guys like A.Hopkins pushing the information forward, magazines like Bananafish or Onkagu Otaku and so on pushing writing and visuals. Nobody could claim that M.S.B.R. lathe cut of 20 copies was insignificant because of tiny edition. There is some other quality than "edition of 20", what makes many contemporary items obsolete. MSBR lathe cut would be inspiring, regardless if you get it, have it, heard it.
There is new noise in Japan too. Is it good or great? Somehow inspiring? Well... who knows! I would assume it requires some catalyst to blossom.

There was comment by Swede, in noise playing now, about lack of new blood in swedish harsh noise scene. I think that there are actions that can make "scene" flourish. Just as described in WCN podcast #3 about dynamics of building the scene (so to say). For things to happen, a lot of things can be done that will increase to odds that random sparks will actually become something and not merely disappear in the void.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: MyrtleLake on November 10, 2021, 03:52:32 PM
Re: Japanese noise.

Oxen (label) seems to have a strong handle on that geography. "Live at Soup" 2CD compilation from 2020, for example. I get the impression the current crop of artists functionally center around live venues such as the aforementioned Soup.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: accidental on November 10, 2021, 09:08:35 PM
This mentioned "silence" was one reason why I stopped Special Interests magazine reviews. It felt annoying to be sometimes only guy, who’s word on some specific release would be permanently immortalized on paper...//...Why I would have to be "authority" to comment it?

That's a shame. I dont own a single issue of SI mag and dont intend to buy one. As a follower of your reviews on here, you're a top reviewer.



Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: W.K. on November 10, 2021, 10:52:11 PM
Last episode is great, however for someone not that much versed into the American side of things a little introduction to the guests would have been nice! :)


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: W.K. on November 10, 2021, 10:53:57 PM
I think it would be great to hear Japanese, but I guess it might be language barrier why it isn't happening. This is something what I see related to "lack of journalism".

How are your video interviews going? Last one was ZSS, any follow up interviews planned?


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on November 11, 2021, 09:09:00 AM
I think it would be great to hear Japanese, but I guess it might be language barrier why it isn't happening. This is something what I see related to "lack of journalism".

How are your video interviews going? Last one was ZSS, any follow up interviews planned?

There was Edge of Decay done after it. Video documentaries are good and there is one "under work" now.
Meanwhile bunch of Finnish language podcasts and ton of writing in Finnish. It has seemed that focus on "local" scene has been good thing to do, already language-wise allowing more depth, and they tend to have sort of "educational" purpose as well.
There is always plan of more of everything, but I paper zine SI#13 should be tweaked ready..



Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: holy ghost on November 15, 2021, 01:49:32 PM
Very much enjoyed the first two - do you plan to keep uploading them to Spotify? I do my “podcasting” on the commute to and from work and haven’t seen episode 3 there yet.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on November 15, 2021, 02:25:30 PM
Very much enjoyed the first two - do you plan to keep uploading them to Spotify? I do my “podcasting” on the commute to and from work and haven’t seen episode 3 there yet.

Yes, just had to get my money right but will be uploading them weekly from here on out. I'm uploading episode 3 with Stefan Aune+Brad Griggs+Luke Tandy right now and will be uploading the new episode with Tommy Carlsson of TRERIKSRÖSET today, shortly after the Youtube version airs at 18:00 CET.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: [MBD] on November 15, 2021, 03:56:00 PM
Can't wait for today's episode, that brief clip on Instagram showed what's bound to be a very interesting and exciting interview.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on November 15, 2021, 09:13:43 PM
Episode 4 with Tommy Carlsson of TRERIKSRÖSET out now!

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=white+centipede+noise+podcast


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: holy ghost on November 15, 2021, 09:28:01 PM
Very much enjoyed the first two - do you plan to keep uploading them to Spotify? I do my “podcasting” on the commute to and from work and haven’t seen episode 3 there yet.

Yes, just had to get my money right but will be uploading them weekly from here on out. I'm uploading episode 3 with Stefan Aune+Brad Griggs+Luke Tandy right now and will be uploading the new episode with Tommy Carlsson of TRERIKSRÖSET today, shortly after the Youtube version airs at 18:00 CET.

Awesome - I know Spotify isn’t the “coolest” platform but it’s the only one I use. Much appreciated!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on November 16, 2021, 10:24:09 AM
Neat WCN episode with sir Tommy Carlsson. After podcast was playing his Heteronormally musik… LP. Always fierce and nasty. I had to check my tapes. I may be missing 1-3 misc tapes of Treriksröset, but I didn’t realize the debut tape 1st private edition was so rare? As that is what I got back then, I always assume it was the… hmm ”prevailing edition”. I have never seen the Hatband version.
 
Nice interview to listen. Funny moment about the gatekeepers. I tend to hear it from the newbies, who seem to approach the subject from negative perspective. Blaming guys who ran zines, distros, wrote reviews, organized shows as gatekeepers who somehow dictate the public taste and limit someones opportunities… pfff..  What a bitter nonsense. ”Gatekeepers”, are usually not preventing anyones success, merely doing their best to push things forward, often ungrateful job done of… obsessive habit or some sort? I wish more of that type of folks, rather than the ones who’ll by hurt by one bad review or blame lack of success on others. 

Tommy good example of being perfectly content just creating immortal harsh noise release, barely concerned of its ”success”.

Treriksröset on this Heteronormally musik för… LP - sound is hard to really put into ”category”. It doesn’t sound like many Swedish acts. It is no way like USA harsh noise, nor like Japanese harsh noise. It is nevertheless so pure harsh noise, that you can’t say there is that much experimental in it. It is not always maximum distortion orgy, but it is noisy in other ways. Instead of crisp, it is always dirty and somehow rusty, live sounding and I guess most often straight flat mono recording. Leaving some stuff in that some others would maybe edit out? Sort of 90’s feel. Just enough of letting sound to drift a bit, so the utmost harsh blast ripper parts will stand out.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: W.K. on November 16, 2021, 02:53:18 PM
Dare I say it? Tommy is one sexy motherfucker.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Soloman Tump on November 16, 2021, 02:57:43 PM
Well I am behind on these already... need to finish episode 2 and really interested to see/hear the Stefan Aune edition.  Hope you can keep the momentum up - no shame in slowing down though!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Duncan on November 16, 2021, 05:11:32 PM
After watching I don't think that 'gatekeeper' is really the right term for what either of them are talking about. It seems to me like another comment on the issue of discourse and how much/little it takes to have a single opinion become the larger consensus within noise. There is still a reasonable conversation to be had about that. How much does the good/bad/popular/unpopular in noise get defined by social factors. But yeah, I don't think it's something anyone should be getting to bothered by, not if they're capable of adult thought anyway. Conversely, how often does anyone here genuinely hear the complaint that the big shots are actively denying the newbies their opportunities? I don't see it but perhaps I'm just lucky not to be exposed to it.

It was only a very brief mention but I'd have liked to hear a bit more about TC's issue with govt. funded gigs. He didn't go into it enough for me to understand what his misgivings were around them but I'd be curious to know. You don't need to think too hard about which organisations he's likely talking and, in comparison to the UK at least, these places are quite incredible propositions for those interested in abstract or avant garde sound, about so I wonder if it's specific issues with them? the related artists? or a wider ideological issue with public money being used to fund the stuff?!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on November 16, 2021, 07:25:08 PM
Conversely, how often does anyone here genuinely hear the complaint that the big shots are actively denying the newbies their opportunities? I don't see it but perhaps I'm just lucky not to be exposed to it.

Formerly, it would be zine editors who won’t include X, but would include Y. Distributors who refused to carry X but carry Y. Gig organizers who never gives ”you” chance but seemingly everybody else. I get to hear enough about elitism, gatekeeping and such. If not gatekeeping, it’ll be related concepts of ”scene influencers” or ”scene police”, hah..  Even original DIY culture was the solution against gatekeepers. I think concept of gatekeeping became nearly obsolete by the time internet was popularized.

I think SI forum is good example. As long as one is not annoying cunt,  it is open forum where anything noise related goes and any voice has possibility. From private persons, to DIY to official companies. All gates are open, just things interest people in varied amount and for ”success” or ”attention”, years of hard work doing interesting stuff may eventually result that every release one makes is not like starting over from zero.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Eigen Bast on November 16, 2021, 08:19:07 PM
Great ep, love his perspective on playing live; "it's trench warfare". First I heard of his contact mic on the penis trick....don't think I'll be pulling that one off any time soon.

With regards to gatekeeping, I think it's a word that's gone on to mean "things I perceive are dominating the conversation"; that is, due to the nature of social media algorithms, fans of the genre find themselves exposed to the artists/labels/distros which also engage in social media, thus creating a false sense of perceived authority, which breeds resentment.

Here's a hypothetical:
Label X is prolific, and has "high engagement", and posts a lot on instagram. Fan Y sees their posts more than other, less prolific posters. Fan Y begins to feel that Label X is dominating the conversation in a way that could be perceived as "gatekeeping" when in fact it's the algorithm that's driving this resentment.

When there isn't an active environment of information sharing in the genre, people default to social media, and the result is a distorted view of reality. Basically, we need more zines, more podcasts, more live shows, more active forum posters, and generally a larger landscape of critique, info sharing, and documentation. Is anyone even capable of gatekeeping? Just zuckerberg and his AI legions at this point I think..


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Duncan on November 16, 2021, 08:22:37 PM
Formerly, it would be zine editors who won’t include X, but would include Y. Distributors who refused to carry X but carry Y. Gig organizers who never gives ”you” chance but seemingly everybody else. I get to hear enough about elitism, gatekeeping and such. If not gatekeeping, it’ll be related concepts of ”scene influencers” or ”scene police”, hah..  Even original DIY culture was the solution against gatekeepers. I think concept of gatekeeping became nearly obsolete by the time internet was popularized.

Well, we are talking about two different things then. Gatekeeping i.e. a person actively guarding or preventing someone else from 'progression' within whatever scene they have the dubious honour of being an 'influencer' in...probably doesn't ever really happen.

Certain people who organise labels/shows/distro/zines having their preferences and maybe being less willing to bring new people into those preferences? well this certainly happens. In most cases it's inevitable and sure, the result of years worth of involvement with particular stuff. And why should someone have to disobey their own tastes for the sake of being more open to things if everything they do is out of their own pocket and time and energy? I guess it only becomes a problem when the persons at the, ummm, top of the table start acting like embarrassing dicks about those preferences or feel that their particular approach to producing unpopular extreme sounds makes them important outside of that highly limited context. We've definitely all seen this too. Even from some of the heavy lifters! I probably don't need to give examples but I have a great many under my belt which are hilarious and pitiful in equal measure. Those things are social problems though and the answer should always be to laugh, move on, do your own thing, find more meaningful connections away from those people.

It's always the audience that should be held to a higher standard anyway. If fashionable views or taste making exists even in a world like noise it's only because there are people who are susceptible to having their tastes and opinions made for them. If you don't have the faculties to be able to tell when an album is underwhelming or amazing to your ears vs amazing to the ears of others or even, in many cases elsewhere in underground music, given to a low rate PR company who duly ensure the press release is ctrl+V'd into popular platforms...well...you get the quality you deserve.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Theodore on November 16, 2021, 09:33:42 PM
Talking about gatekeeping in such a DIY genre makes no sense to me, and i dont really have heard / read anyone complaining about that. Though i can imagine the type of person who would think like this, and i dont doubt they exist. "I have uploaded 10-20 releases on Bandcamp, i put the links everywhere i could, still i dont get feedback, the recognition i deserve." . Or maybe there is another type too, one with releases on known labels, that he still wants his name to be talked by those he percieves as 'gatekeepers' . In any case, anyone who complains about gatekeepers has to ask himself why he seeks someone else to promote him, why he seeks recognition. Even if it is just a personal 'innocent' wish, that he wants to be noticed by these he regards highly. - I think in the interview Tommy gave his perception on "No to new support" . You must do what you do for your own satisfaction, with no other intentions, without caring if your work will be liked by the 'public' .

Want 'fame' ? Go to a reality show ! - Want money ? Get a job !


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: absurdexposition on November 18, 2021, 04:44:07 AM
Everyone needs those Mania tapes that Tommy is doing. The dubs are amazing - crystal clear and LOUD.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: ConcreteMascara on November 18, 2021, 05:36:42 AM
Everyone needs those Mania tapes that Tommy is doing. The dubs are amazing - crystal clear and LOUD.

I second that.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Into_The_Void on November 18, 2021, 09:48:55 PM
I only watched a part of the first episode with Haare and I´ve enjoyed it. Will watch the new ones as well, good work!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Zeno Marx on November 21, 2021, 06:06:52 PM
Listened to the first quarter of the fine Mr.Carlsson episode, but then I was in a situation where I could only watch youtube via cable TV on a big screen.  Watching the episode is a completely different experience.  In time, I'm going to go back and watch the others.  Thanks for taking that other step to do video.  A-1 quality.  Tip of the hat to both O and T.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on November 22, 2021, 07:48:53 PM
Episode 5 with Sam Stoxen of PHAGE TAPES out now! https://youtu.be/ELSrAw7oMig


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Eigen Bast on November 23, 2021, 01:16:21 AM
Great ep, loved the PUNISHER discussion...very varied and nuanced topic in this age of punishment... Spot on observation RE: convincing "underground" people to listen to techno v. industrial.

Also I woud buy a Bile 12" from Phage.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on November 23, 2021, 10:27:55 AM
Phage is probably most interesting for the label & distro folks, but there is also plenty of good opinions and not avoiding talking about them. Giving criticism when necessary etc.

Lathe discussion is probably now different than it could have been before? When lots of noise lathes were cut in New Zealand for a bit compromised plastic disc format, it is quite different than nowadays several places cut into actual vinyl. Of course it is not pressed, but if sound is good, and material is actually vinyl, one can't really point out it would be vastly different.  Back when it was soft acetate discs or soft plastic, both sound and durability would be unlike real vinyl.  A lot of contemporary lathes, there is nothing else to complain than possibly outrageous prices that item will be due manufacturing costs. (of course cutting on harder vinyl will cause needle to wear old sooner and this may effect the sound of lathes unless cuttinghead is properly fixed once in a while)

Very brief, but funny moment was, when Phage asked as if it OK to mentioned Final Solution release coming out. I guess traditional PE is potentially a bit spicy subject even in harsh noise discussion.





Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on November 23, 2021, 11:15:39 AM
Saying that episode is probably most interesting for the label & distro folks, of course no negative remark at all. I think there is probably even more need for it. Something related this punishers -discussion, I'm sure the ones who may be guilty for things such as non-stop spamming of social media groups that are not meant for it are probably beyond hope, haha, but there are things like artists or labels being vocal about dead stock, items not moving, people not giving a fuck and so on. And simply mentioning that they are not alone in this experience. It's just something one has to cope with, instead bitter messages directed to last few fanatics and supporters.

Also the discussion that name of the game in 2021 is the constant visibility in social media. That is would be the necessary evil, that message gets across. I get it, but somehow.. don't accept it. I think also one way to look at it, can be observing what kind of people you wish to hear stuff you put out? Not elitist move really, but simply acknowledging that guys who spend all day everyday browsing instagram, may be audience for the bandcamp link, but possibly not the focus group of guys who with buy CD.

I think there is this information gap, where nobody does paper catalogue and the handful of guys (that can mean big% in context of noise) drop out from active customers. Many promote only in social media. Many have availability that requires social media tempo to be able to buy tape. If you are not there, you may be out of the circle, unless item hits to your favored distributor.

Therefore, some other places where information circulates with slower pace, and from perspective of fans or "journalists" is very nice. For example, I guess I have heard more noise news about all these american harsh noise labels from these podcasts than anywhere else. Very much appreciated.

Even if Special Interests forum is like tiny spot in the noise scene, where limited amount of people can be reached (I guess roughly few hundred registered members visit fairly frequently), it is still place where you can use search funtion. You can see older classified ads. You can browse label news (of those who post) and so on. You can also use descriptions, album titles and such, what may get your post deleted or "shadow banned" in social media. Not meaning it would have to be hate mongering etc, but even trying to promote Contagious Orgasm CD some years back, proved that unless you cleaned up every bad word and juicy description, post was not going to anyones feed.

Nowadays, I have heard people say, how social media regulations are already effecting alternative music releases. Tits on the cover? No way, since you could not post album anywhere. Explicit words? etc. Something that gets you kicked out of bandcamp.. I rather stay loyal to artistic integrity, than start to modify creativity under guidance of multinational corporations.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: absurdexposition on November 23, 2021, 06:00:59 PM
Yet another great episode.

I think Phage (alongside Freak Animal) might be the longest distro/wholesale relationship I've had. I was ordering from Sam over a decade ago - some years before I transitioned to a "noise only" distro. Always an encouragement to artists/others working in the noise scene and dedicated to the DIY ethics - especially those earlier releases with hand-screened packaging.

I appreciated the talk about the logistics end of label/distro reality and could sadly relate to throwing out "unwanted" dead stock after having it sit around for years, although it's sad to hear when it's a release as great as Little Pieces of Violence.

The lathe cuts of 10+ years ago that I've heard have all been pretty bad in terms of sound quality, and were prone to warp. There is the Flatline Construct / Moz 10" that I should revisit again for comparison, but a lot of hc/punk bands did lathes in the mid-00s and they all sounded like shit.

I deal with punishers ordering from me every day. Usually they disappear after a while, some become regular customers and you just deal with it, others end up getting truly into it and releasing some good tapes.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Pigswill on November 24, 2021, 07:49:02 AM
Episode 5 with Sam Stoxen of PHAGE TAPES out now! https://youtu.be/ELSrAw7oMig

This is great. Also, the overbuying stock problem hits close to home. I also ordered a huge number of CDs from Copycats like 10 years ago and still have a closet full of boxes. The idea of salvaging the jewel cases isn't a bad idea


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Theodore on November 24, 2021, 09:47:28 AM
Episode 5 with Sam Stoxen of PHAGE TAPES out now! https://youtu.be/ELSrAw7oMig

This is great. Also, the overbuying stock problem hits close to home. I also ordered a huge number of CDs from Copycats like 10 years ago and still have a closet full of boxes. The idea of salvaging the jewel cases isn't a bad idea

Then you will have the same closet full of boxes with jewel cases, taking exactly the same space. What's the difference ? - In such a problem, instead of trashing them, i would say include them as bonus stuff in other orders. At least try that first ...


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on November 24, 2021, 10:58:00 AM
From perspective of label/distribution, I think discogs changed the idea of freebies. Lets say, you got great title, which is sellable, but you just have few hundred too many. You start to throw them for free to customers, and soon there is 15 copies at discogs starting from 1usd. It may not effect how people view the album since then... but it may, haha.. 

Formerly you had potential to trade, wholesale, retail, and now when copies are circulating for less than manufacturing price it certainly has small twist on that. For example, what the distributors who paid for items think when "market" is flooded by perhaps three times cheaper unplayed copies? Are they going to be buying your next thing, when they can assume you will just ruin any possibility for them to sell copies they bought?

I have never thrown UG items to thrash bin for sake of not being able to get rid of it, but I can understand why this would seem good idea for someone. It was standard practice in mainstream music. You would press according to ideal what it could sell, and eventually trash most of the store-return and unsold copes. Waste, sure, but I would guess not that many kilos of plastic is wasted before you will learn to avoid such situation?


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: DadaDrumming on November 24, 2021, 05:10:10 PM
Good conversation between Oskar/Sam. I watched the Luke/Brad/Stefan episode as well but found there were some instances where 3+ were too much. I think if that had been separate episodes the respective parties could have expounded better. I don't listen to podcasts as a general rule so don't know if it's always that way but I like the one-on-one approach much better. YMMV. Sam is also one of the handful of people over the years who have ever reached out to me about doing something specifically for them, so he'll always have my respect for that. I don't have my finger on the pulse of everything (for better or worse) happening so it's nice to be able to hear about things. Found some of his answers interesting. Mad props for the INCENDIARY shirt.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Zeno Marx on November 24, 2021, 06:20:51 PM
Did they throw in a mention of a Hermit reissue...or something...in the Phage interview?  I couldn't make it out for sure.  Another quality interview.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Mattias G on November 24, 2021, 10:54:59 PM
I have listened to podcasts for many years. Especially when I go to bed every night or cooking food etc. But this with the video/visual thing makes it something really extra. I have enjoyed every episode and it’s a genius move to release it on Monday’s cause suddenly you have something extra that you are interested of to looking forward to.
And I just pulled out the Pain Jerk & John Wiese-Terrazzo CD that I haven’t listened to since 2007 and give it another chance. Cause it made me curious since it was on Sam/Phage Tapes top 5 and I remembered I had it but not how it sounds.
Keep up the good work!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: absurdexposition on November 25, 2021, 02:09:44 AM
Did they throw in a mention of a Hermit reissue...or something...in the Phage interview?  I couldn't make it out for sure.  Another quality interview.

I don't think so? If they did, I missed it. New Hermit material coming soon on Absurd Exposition, however.

Edit: Actually you probably heard my ad in the episode.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Zeno Marx on November 25, 2021, 06:37:44 PM
Did they throw in a mention of a Hermit reissue...or something...in the Phage interview?  I couldn't make it out for sure.  Another quality interview.

I don't think so? If they did, I missed it. New Hermit material coming soon on Absurd Exposition, however.

Edit: Actually you probably heard my ad in the episode.
Ah...and very good news.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: theotherjohn on November 29, 2021, 08:09:12 PM
Really need to cop that new Sun Hing Lung release - any European distros?


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on November 29, 2021, 08:11:23 PM
Really need to cop that new Sun Hing Lung release - any European distros?

I wish!

Episode 6 with Pat Yankee of PARANOID TIME out now!!!

https://youtu.be/aT10fGJdg8Q
https://youtu.be/aT10fGJdg8Q
https://youtu.be/aT10fGJdg8Q


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Zeno Marx on November 29, 2021, 11:33:21 PM
As Phage Tapes touched upon, what are smaller labels going to do now that PayPal is going to report everything over $600 total sales?  I believe this has been the case for a while now?  But now with more online sites charging state sales tax and the mailorder loopholes closing, how are the smaller labels handling taxes?  Filing and getting tax ID#s?    Now that things can be so quickly linked and shown as actual business practices and retail sales, what's the atmosphere out there?


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on November 30, 2021, 10:40:48 AM
(Barely podcast related talk, but lets keep it here unless takes too much space on topic)

This has been case in Finland already for years, I think. When Paypal officially came to finland, so to say, now money traffic is something that local tax office is being informed. I don't know whether the small noise labels has much to worry, when there is like endless amount of air bnb operating on grey zone. People making good money with it, in very different level than selling noise, hah..

But can it happen? Sure. I know cases, where private person selling hobby label stuff is asked to produce evidence where money is coming from. And official companies, who had not done all the paperwork top notch. It can become problem, if you are suddenly being asked several years worth of back taxes, you simply can't afford.

I know one case in Finland, what was solved simply by explaining that it is private record collection gradually being sold away. Even if in reality it would be also label activities. Latter one may be always seen as "business", regardless is it profitable. First option is something that there usually is certain level of private sales one can do without being obligated to taxes. It is unlikely they will hunt every discogs seller, but they seem to be very very interested to solve the "illegal hotel business", so to say.

However, there are lots of news articles about the change, where for example EU tries to fight "grey economy". It makes all your possessions visible to authorities. New bank laws being enforced, and over here you get calls, letters etc for proving identity, giving all details of what you do, how you do it, etc. Banks are obligated to know their customers and how and why money moves. Also the changing postal regulations are connected. When they imposed the new regulations that everything outside EU will go to customs and you need to pay taxes, it was said to be because of "massive ongoing tax fraud". This meant that anything coming from china, was simply marked to be 20 euro or less value and it would pass without taxes.

Perhaps some knows that since last summer, new VAT system became active, so now we pay the value added tax not to country where you operate, but the destination. Order comes from sweden, I need to pay taxes to sweden. pff... Guys who hate paperwork, I guess future will be more and more miserable. Every transaction needs to be reported. If you do not report your EU taxes, penalty is 100euro a week. Even if you'd pay in time, but was a bit late with paper work, you'll be paying hard...


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on November 30, 2021, 11:17:32 AM
Podcast related. Good one again. It is really the harsh noise talk, so podcast doesn't go that deep into any theme, concept or such, but stays on noise. I like this episode a lot for the: anecdotes! That whole machete story was funny. This is one thing, what made some interviews like Bananafish legendary, as they included something I would call noise folklore.

Funny, strange, obscure stories, what gives the noise the context. What type of characters there operates, what types of people are drawn into it, what shapes their noise. I think that is vastly more crucial than what pedal one uses. Although, in Paranoid Time episode the rat -pedal talk was funny. I think there is also difference with old rat and the rat you can buy these days? For example Pain Nail uses quite often the old vintage RAT pedal. It is really dirty and savage pedal. It may not be best for massive harsh blast, but for decayed bleak industrial sound, certainly works better than Death Metal or Metalzone pedals, for example. I have been told new RAT doesn't have same sound anymore as the original, even if they claim it is "largely the same"?

Well, anyways, the noise folklore, sort of unwritten stories you know, heard of, or experienced and told forward, that is something what could be good topic. I think some more nasty stuff, maybe be something that people involved do not want to be recognized for. Nevertheless, these stories are sort of juice of noise. As great as the bands are, I am sure they would be thought differently, if Mikawa was not banker. If early Hijokaidan stage chaos did not happen. If John Duncan didn't do certain performances. If Mayuko Hino would have not been bondage related. If Whitehouse didn't have "riots", haha. Metgumbnerbone crawling in sewers, and so on and on. There is countless anecdotes from contemporary noise (say 2000's) which basically never are "told" in same ways as the good old folklore. I would say that this seems to be one element why bands/artists seem distant? When just about every trip to noise gig had something odd noise related happening, that would contribute to kind of understanding artists urges or the "climate", the spirit and surroundings, and there would be stories that are as nice as Hanatarishi driving the... thing. Yet Hanatarashi is the folklore everybody knows.

Related story, it was really funny when SNOTNOSED played with Emil B, Prurient and so on back in... 2008? something like that. 2nd floor of normal pub. Full carpets on the floors, UK style, nice restaurant type of thing. Snotnosed starts to break glass into his forehead, bleeding, making acoustic havoc on place where it was totally unexpected. Suddenly pulling out full sized slegdehammer, and hitting it with full power to the floor. You could feel entire huge building tremble and I was sure this is it. Show will be over, and there's no way it could continue. It did. No biggie. Full room of people dining downstairs and broken glass and sledgehammers upstairs as if someone is tearing the place apart... haha...

Like mentioned thing, that PE has the dark subject/concepts, and people taking it too seriously.. hmm. I am not sure about that. I know what it means, but when being somewhere in Europe, seeing PE singer sniffing fresh shemale panties he just purchased. Not only for the show, but just for personal pleasures... Even when just minding his own business, you could see him just once in a while pulling them out of the pocket and sniffing the piss soaked panties.. dark? I doubt it! Hilarious stuff. Bunch of guys blurting out "hey, you're sniffing some guys piss there", and man just diving face first into wet panties. Full story probably can't be told in way it would be as funny as it is. When knowing the noise work that is related to this, and bunch of anecdotes that tell a bit from where this material emerges, it seems to give more perspective than knowing that they may use "SP-202 and delay".

I don't think any podcast would need to start blasting some noise drama, nor be therapy sessions, nor to glorify "unacceptable behavior", but I think one knows what I mean with the anecdotes, noise folklore, I hope more of that. There is so much of it what could give life to the somewhat anonymous and distant works.

This episode was good in a way, that instead of interview, it was partly also like discussion. Oskar telling the machete story in full length. I think this type of approach would probably direct talk to good things.





Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on December 01, 2021, 12:20:55 AM

Although, in Paranoid Time episode the rat -pedal talk was funny. I think there is also difference with old rat and the rat you can buy these days? For example Pain Nail uses quite often the old vintage RAT pedal. It is really dirty and savage pedal. It may not be best for massive harsh blast, but for decayed bleak industrial sound, certainly works better than Death Metal or Metalzone pedals, for example. I have been told new RAT doesn't have same sound anymore as the original, even if they claim it is "largely the same"?6


No need to get into mega nerdy talk but yeah, the variations between Rat models come from changing a few components on the circuit (which is pretty much the same one in all versions.) Sometimes the difference is subtle, sometimes not so much. When it comes to the OG Rat model, the sound difference is subtle but it's there. Does it justify the difference in price? My deaf ears say no haha.

Also, Rat clones are cool because they often offer extra switches that allow you to try different types of Rat versions on the same pedal. Rats are also very easy to modify, which is fun. I turned my regular Rat into a Turbo Rat by switching two components, and I also added an extra potentiometer in order to make it sound better with bass.





Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: absurdexposition on December 01, 2021, 12:31:06 AM
Turbo Rat

I have to say I don't love mine. A funny anecdote about why I have it though is because a distortion pedal died on while I was on tour with my previous band and I needed a last minute replacement. The closet guitar shop to the venue didn't have much selection, and I chose the Turbo Rat because it was almost the "Paranoid Time" pedal, ha.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Human Larvae on December 01, 2021, 01:33:54 AM
If you want to know about all the variations of Rat pedals over the years, check out JHS on youtube.

https://youtu.be/B_jtDX1_FZg


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: HateSermon on December 01, 2021, 03:35:43 AM
Paranoid Time was a big reason why I picked up a Rat pedal. A handful of my friends did as well as we were all inspired by what sounds PT was making. Funny how its all mostly for looks!
I was lucky to see him play at the last Summer Scum and it was definitely the best set of the weekend. Pure raw energy. He brings out the best in the crowd. I’ve seen him at a couple of house venues too and its the same consistent energy.
Echoing what was said earlier - more anecdotes! The Mania episode that SI Podcast did, for example, was full of Keith stories. Shedding some light on a mysterious character. There’s plenty of replay value in that.
Great episode, Oskar. These have been nice to look forward to as the work week creeps in.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: urall on December 01, 2021, 02:55:39 PM
my favorite part was the Sun Hing Lung advert :D
'don't get me started on the desserts'


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Duncan on December 01, 2021, 07:13:23 PM
Great episode with Paranoid Time! I love how he comes off in the interview: normal dude, a bit of a goofball, not shy about explaining the 'secrets' behind his sounds nor afraid to fully own up to how simple his ideas and influences are. I think there has been a nice pattern throughout the podcast of the subjects being really generous with that kind of info and trying to let the audience know that what they do is not some kind of rocket science or big mystery.

I definitely fucked up when it came to checking out his music when I first heard of it. At a time when I was dismissive of most modern US noise, thinking it to just be loads of frowning ex-hardcore guys being intense, a project called Paranoid Time was the last thing I was going to bother listening to. What a huge mistake and stupid reading of the whole situation on my part! Still making up for it today, but such is life.

The things he had to say about his stage persona and the influences of wild noise rock frontmen and pro wrestling also really made me smile, as sometimes looking at PT vids I'd wonder 'is this guy serious?' and very much hope not. Subtle differences in intent can really be the fine line between a stage presence like that being the worst or the best. So cool to hear him talk a little bit about being into tongue in cheek, partially humorous styles of noise more so than the dour stuff I'd have once pre-judged his work to be. Totally spot on comment about how this aspect is writ large in classic acts like TNB. I for one am always up for more of that approach.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Soloman Tump on December 01, 2021, 09:18:34 PM
Really enjoying listening to Paranoid Time.  I can only echo what others have written before - it is really fresh hearing artists talk candidly about their influences and methods, and it makes me want to dig into his back catalogue which I hope to do soon.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: W.K. on December 02, 2021, 12:08:29 AM
my favorite part was the Sun Hing Lung advert :D
'don't get me started on the desserts'

Youtube Harsh Noise cooking channel in 3...2...1...


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: W.K. on December 02, 2021, 12:17:21 AM
If you want to know about all the variations of Rat pedals over the years, check out JHS on youtube.

https://youtu.be/B_jtDX1_FZg

It's a cool video but he totally forgot the R2DU!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: W.K. on December 02, 2021, 12:23:02 AM
Really need to cop that new Sun Hing Lung release - any European distros?

I wish!

Episode 6 with Pat Yankee of PARANOID TIME out now!!!

https://youtu.be/aT10fGJdg8Q
https://youtu.be/aT10fGJdg8Q
https://youtu.be/aT10fGJdg8Q

Haven't watched the podcast yet (time time time) but in conclusion to asking favorite noise recordings don't be afraid to ask for favorite movies too, as they seem to be a major influence for most noise guys :)


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Major Carew on December 02, 2021, 06:10:42 PM
If you want to know about all the variations of Rat pedals over the years, check out JHS on youtube.

https://youtu.be/B_jtDX1_FZg


Feel like i've missed a trick re. all this talk of the benefits of the RAT. I've seen them knocking around for years in different places but never thought to try one. I've picked one up and will give it a go!

Re. Podcast : I've only watched parts of a couple of them but quite enjoyed. Keep it up.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on December 06, 2021, 11:17:13 PM
Episode 7 with Will Vangorder of WORTH out now!

https://youtu.be/X8nrprR6ERs
https://youtu.be/X8nrprR6ERs
https://youtu.be/X8nrprR6ERs


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on December 07, 2021, 11:35:35 AM
Man, channel burn better fucking be a thing.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on December 07, 2021, 12:14:55 PM
haha...
Good episode again!

Some nuggets of info:
The talk about writing connected to "noise", I guess it mainly relevant to Finns, but Will's first new noise recommendation, Nuori Veri, the man behind the project just published a book called Kurpitsankukka, that in many ways connects to themes of his audio work. Sort of autofiction, that covers also vast amount of the themes and life situations that are reflected in the noise. Although it is not book about noise. Put out by Abraxas kustannus. I recommend Finn's to grab that one.

Bizarre Uproar "lily the flesh", was sparked out of IOPS asking BU to take part of compilation tape of theme of VHS collecting & trading. Perhaps seemingly banal theme, but those who REALLY were involved, like 80's, 90's, know it was much more... BU decided to use this old quite arty self made bizarre s/m & art video, by girlfriend of infamous piercing, horror, s&m, comics, and overall underground activist Nalle Virolainen. All sorts of oddities happen in very lengthy film she was selling via xxx magazine ads. Shitting on glass with camera beneath, public obscenities, s/m sessions, all sorts of things. Anyways, session became so good, and the fact that mentioned VHS comp is STILL not out after all these years. (It does have submissions from Mania, BU (new song), Grunt, whatever.., maybe some day! Packaging is already here too, so got to wrap it together at some point). Considering that Lily the flesh tape came out already more than 10 years ago, that was the moment when F&V decided to put out the recording in its full uncut form and not wait IOPS comp.
It was also performed live 2014, in Lahti, in bar next to my record store. It is really unique in BU catalogue. There is not anything quite like it. Same goes to several recordings, though. Like MASS 10", which is really great pure harsh noise you rarely hear from BU.



Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: urall on December 07, 2021, 09:07:14 PM
"don't say prose naggee"
check.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Eigen Bast on December 08, 2021, 12:12:23 AM
good stuff, appreciate the attempts to articulate the inarticulate. Also the dismissive attitude towards object permanence..overrated in a world going down the drain. Glad to get some context on Lily the Flesh too, that's a favorite for sure - had no idea asrar repressed it a few years ago.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on December 14, 2021, 01:35:03 AM
Episode 8 out now with Jon Engman of CUSTODIAN (ex-BRODEQUIN drummer)

https://youtu.be/vbwVwQZtTd8
https://youtu.be/vbwVwQZtTd8
https://youtu.be/vbwVwQZtTd8


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: absurdexposition on December 14, 2021, 01:51:08 AM
Episode 8 out now with Jon Engman of CUSTODIAN (ex-BRODEQUIN drummer)

https://youtu.be/vbwVwQZtTd8
https://youtu.be/vbwVwQZtTd8
https://youtu.be/vbwVwQZtTd8

Busted out the Mania / Custodian LP the other day in preparation. What a scorcher.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on December 14, 2021, 09:51:09 AM
Pulled that split LP out from shelves last night, but didn't have time to listen yet.

That new York show they are talking about was in march 2004. It was part of 3 dates of Grunt "tour". I was asked back then, what it would take to get Grunt to play. I don't "play for money" so to say, so question never been the finances, nor I think I was ever actually paid for at USA gigs. Nothing really is gained from "paid flights" or "fee", but what I asked for, was that there needs to be bands I want to see, and would be unlikely to see otherwise. Think of early 00's and how the hell could you see any of the bands listed on the bill? I send Force of Nature / Peter list of bands I would hope to see/play with, and everybody said they'll come. Bloodyminded, Slogun, Taint, Control, Sickness, Deathpile,... and some local bands I didn't specially request, but of course great to see. Fairly new act, like Prurient in Boston! Immaculate:grotesque, Viodre, Karlheinz, etc..

Taint show in boston was amusing. There was Prurient doing his huge amp feedback/scream History of AIDS era ripping noise. There was Bloodyminded doing perhaps the best gig of this tour. Thanks to PA being at clipping point, delivering extra grit and damage to the sound. Then Slogun doing his confrontational off-the stage thing. Keith had been watching the sets and went on stage, played 4 minute audio clip (later to be found from N12 7", titled: Pony) and that's that. No noise at all, just the one unedited sample. He said that what's he gonna do, after all these crazy live shows, and he had like two pedals and noise generator, hah... But it was great as is, just reflecting the ethos of noise in general. Not being like euro-pe/industrial, where it is almost standard to play rock'n'roll show length, 30-40 mins set of well planned thing, like album. Decision to do just sort of "victimology" type of piece, and quit, and offer no "satisfaction". It is another kind of approach, to not guarantee anything audience may expect.

Custodian, I have somehow feel as if the tape on WCN was good stuff, but otherwise, specially from CDR releases, barely recollections. Have to play the split LP this evening.



Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: -NRRRRK- on December 16, 2021, 01:56:55 PM
Another great episode. The slide-offs into the death-metal scene of the time are interesting.

I agree with everything said about a physical release being on a whole different kind of level than just a soundcloud/bandcamp release.

On the other hand bandcamp is a great tool to create a kind of an archive. So even if the physical item is sold out/unobtainable elsewhere, the interested listener can play a release, maybe even much later than when it was released.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: urall on December 17, 2021, 01:35:05 PM
Good episode eventhough i'm not that familiar with Custodian myself. Very relatable subjects (with every episode though), it's good to hear other people make the the same reflections on certain topics.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on December 20, 2021, 07:52:31 PM
Episode 9 with JASON CRUMER out NOW!

https://youtu.be/wJty84kj1Ig
https://youtu.be/wJty84kj1Ig
https://youtu.be/wJty84kj1Ig


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on December 21, 2021, 10:15:28 AM
Listened new WCN podcast with Jason Crumer in it. Liked a lot the necessity of wild rants - althought many things I do not feel the same way, always good to see strong emotions concerning noise! He keeps roaring, growling, ranting and making odd sounds, especially in the middle of the interview, haha. Really fun. He also has some quite bold statements in opposition of crunchy harsh noise..

Now playing ”Let There Be Crumer” CD. It is good CD. One very striking moment is that yanking lawnmover on on beginning of 6th track. Sure the metal junk is concrete and some bells or things like that, but this one very mundane sound in middle of album, even if it seems like starting harsh noise machine, is bizarre.

For me it seems odd, that artist would be so… hmm.. ”self aware”? Considering his role or importance, or whether people listen, what people think of the work etc. Generally, reality probably is, that very few thinks about any artist -really-. If CD is done, it can be liked,.. but if nothing comes out, very few are thinking what’s up with this artists. No expectations whatsoever. Something that was worked hard, feeling mindblowing by the creator, might not be instantly on playlist by everybody… but perhaps end up on turntable sometime 1-10 years later. You know, I still consider ”Let there be Crumer” as his new CD! I have some things that came after this, but this is like the new thing that came after the early stuff.

What was said, doesn’t mean works are meaningless or unwanted. I am just surprised if people would be thinking of what particular noise artists is up to do next - if anything? Most grab records fairly randomly, when it happens that release is available on place you buy things. I got two fairly new Crumer things still on my pile of ”to be listened” stuff…

Also, even if stuff may be digitally distributed, I think it is a big deal what label puts it out physically, in terms of "visibility". Popularity of Ottoman Black CD is easy to understand. That moment on Hospital prod with big pressing, is probably different than doing LP on smaller label now and having item only available in USA (I think) and no distribution...? There are still these days a lot of people, who order from their regular dealer. Bunch of items every now and then. Never buying single item overseas due various reasons. So there may be willingness to hear new Crumer, but supply and demand doesn't always meet. I am quite sure there would be bunch of Finns that would buy Crumer if it was regularly priced distro item available from Finland. Yet, if asking from label, I would assume zero direct orders for triple LP mailed to Finland?


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on December 21, 2021, 02:06:39 PM
One curious thing, what could be matter of discussion, is that was it really the metalheads that ruined the noise?
Especially in 2000's, whole idea about "metalheads" have become so obsolete, when most of people are not really in one particular genre. A lot of people I know, may listen to metal, or even play it, but not really associate themselves as "metalheads". They are often more punk, more hardcore, more noise, who just happen to listen some metal too.

When I was listening Crumer talking what I assumed to be about post-2005 USA harsh noise crunchy stuff, single minded macronympha worship etc, noise patches, noise shirts and stuff... I was thinking are those guys "metalheads"!? My impression was that vast majority comes from hardcore & punk background? Or just overall diverse underground music culture? I rarely see noise stuff that seems to be done with metal aesthetics in almost any way.

It's more like... everything has the fused together. You take guy into metal, punk, roadburn stoner, indie music or something, and you can't really tell the difference most of the time. Patches, tattoos, long hair, short hair, merch oriented + genre music oriented, etc. all melted into same thing.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Duncan on December 21, 2021, 03:10:35 PM
Crumer one was a laugh, I enjoyed it. Despite how much he has to say and how interesting it is I don't know how much of it should be taken toooo seriously. Lots of funny contradictions from one wild statement to the next. Pretty funny toward the end of the interview too where in spite of the continuous jokes and tongue in cheek comments you can also see continued flickers of a guy quite genuinely digging the smell of his own farts.

To focus on the positive/thought provoking stuff: very interesting talk about regarding his work as this attempt to produce American music within a lineage dating back to Ives, Cage etc For all the comments we've heard about what is missing or bad or could be better about the contemporary scene I think this would be the closest to an answer: more ambition in ones personal work than to just do something that fits neatly within the 'noise music' aesthetic but is nonetheless being performed within and to that subculture. It has never made sense to me when I speak to noise heads who can't get on with ANY kind of classical avant garde or sound poetry or concrete music or free improv or whatever else because I've always found these things to be largely contained within the same vague territory in spite of their differences. This is of course reflected in a lot of media from earlier years too, Bananafish being perhaps the most concrete example.

Some interesting analysis of the sense that there was a golden era of noise that perhaps artists today are trying to get back to that idea. I'd say yes and no. I think that while there is no shortage of various ideas and aesthetics being imitated now (which always was the case, at least since I got into this shit early 2000s) I don't see it as an attempt to 'get back' to anything, more just lack of ideas or even the confidence to develop them and people being content to copy things they like. By now we're probably all aware of this and mostly in agreement but simply pointing to the fact that Masonna wasn't following a playbook back in the day, while totally accurate, is not enough of a summary or proposition now that we're several episodes into the podcast and pretty much every one has long sections of this kind of talk (which is a good thing!) While I'm sure everyone would agree they'd prefer to listen to artists with their own vision and healthy disregard of conventions, the fact remains that the relative vacuum that all this brilliant, creative early stuff was made in cannot exist anymore and artists today have a fundamentally different creative backdrop they have to work in. In my view the whole sense of 'obsession' that guides deep fandom of Noise is a double edged sword that most of us surely fall foul of. On the one hand we want more artists who do their own thing and create fractures in the status quo but alongside that we also tend to subcategorize their work as some especially weird or experimental version of 'harsh noise'. We want to have podcasts with detailed discussions of how noise is made and with what gear, we want to have 90s tapes reissued on CD every week and we want to say its amazing when Mike Connelly or Dom Fernow produce a project that exists for no other reason than to pay tribute to a hyper specific kind of early power electronics or industrial aesthetic. Surely I'm guilty of some of these things too so it's not a criticism but, I think, a fair observation. There is undoubtedly a vibrancy in noise now compared to recent years which seems largely to be due to the recent activities that this exact kind of approach produces. I prefer this to a drought for sure. I don't think there's anything besides to just argue for MORE: more discussion, more people doing things, more acknowledgement of the boring realities of listening to and making this stuff and more encouragement for anyone new that it's definitely better to do things according to what you've got rather than what you can get! I think that the talk around all this stuff will have value in years to come more so than in the weeks/months it actually happens.

Finally and semi on that note, I did enjoy the way Crumer has this sense of his own body of work. He can talk about the ideas behind it, he can talk about what he was trying to get at and why it is different to what comes before and after. He acknowledges bits that don't work as well as bits that do and how his vision for the work may have changed over time. I very much relate to the idea that in using his own name he has to own everything he has ever tried and failed at as part of the creative project.  Is it just me or is it exceedingly rare to see a self named artist 'retire' the name and switch to a pseudonym while maintaining the idea that the overall thrust of the work will be the same thing?!

Certainly a lot to chew on overall. Personally I have never once connected with any Crumer material despite constant encouragement from all over to get into it. I will have to make a concerted effort to listen to some stuff now and no doubt I'll realise I was sleeping on some good material. This was definitely the case with the Worth episode where, even though I had heard a little and liked it - knowing I should properly investigate someday, it took the podcast to really get me digging deep and subsequently realise just quite how firmly that stuff lives in the kind of noise world I go nuts for. Always a pleasure.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on December 22, 2021, 10:11:19 AM
By now we're probably all aware of this and mostly in agreement but simply pointing to the fact that Masonna wasn't following a playbook back in the day, while totally accurate, is not enough of a summary or proposition now that we're several episodes into the podcast and pretty much every one has long sections of this kind of talk (which is a good thing!) While I'm sure everyone would agree they'd prefer to listen to artists with their own vision and healthy disregard of conventions, the fact remains that the relative vacuum that all this brilliant, creative early stuff was made in cannot exist anymore and artists today have a fundamentally different creative backdrop they have to work in.

There is old Bananafish magazine with Jojo Hiroshige interview in it, where Jojo says about Masonna, that it is basically Whitehouse copycat, and unless Masonna can re-invent his style, it won't be interesting for long time. Comment is of course a bit strange, when there is barely resemblance of the two, but one can also understand his logic.

I would say that also in what is called "golden era of noise", there was always lots of people who felt as if everybody is merely kicking dead horse. Like declarations of industrial music being dead, done already in 1983 industrial culture handbook. And that by mid 80's it was all reduced from revolutionary experimentation into a subculture & genre music.

( Edit: That said, of course I don't meant situation, motivations and conditions would be the "always the same". Of course now situation is vastly more supportive for producing commodities or replicating genre music than ever before. Nevertheless, I would say there are so many unique artists, that being supportive for them and being interested to discover what they do, can be rewarding. )

I think technology to create sound is perhaps more to blame, than strong influence. When noise was made with "what you got", it became different, even if you tried to be something in particular. Lets say, try to copy Whitehouse without synth and efx boxes. If all you got is microphone and sheet of metal and shortwave radio, it ain't gonna sound like Whitehouse.
Now when you got literally "noise gear" to make noise, I am not surprised that sub-genre mentality can flourish, when you have the means to replicate things exactly how they are done by others. You can buy exact same pedals as you know is used in your favorite HWN release and replicate that.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Zeno Marx on December 22, 2021, 10:06:44 PM
About 80 minutes into the Crumer episode.  It could have been titled Contempt and Expectation. Neither are virtues.  Common and seem to recur in the episodes.  I can certainly relate.  Not that it needs pointing out, but expectations affect the audience as well.  Ruins many an experience.  Unnecessary baggage that seldom offers anything positive.  With all of life.  I was only familiar with him via Facedowninshit up to around 2002.  Missed everything until Ottoman Black.  Consider him one of the best of the 2000s.  Interesting take to have intentions for, and to be a part of, Americana.  In ways, a lofty goal and would appear to be a significant, and substantial, motivator.  When he was talking about working in the morning, it reminded me of something from a Philip Roth documentary.  Building a studio away from the main dwelling and treating it like a job.  Being at the studio at 8AM, writing all day, and going back to the main house for supper.  That some artists don't wait for inspiration.  They create the situation for productivity.

A lot to already unpack.  It could have been a 5-hour episode.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Eigen Bast on December 23, 2021, 02:31:38 AM
always dug crumer, enjoyed this interview a lot. Agreed RE: expectation and contempt; it's funny how we sometimes build these archetypes up in our head, but then whenever confronted by the reality of them we make an exception (well HE'S a cool metal dude, I don't like drone but HE's cool, etc.) so then what's the point really? Everyone's just out there doing their thing and stereotypes don't hold up under scrutiny. I did really like the point he made re: attempts to "academicize" noise by creating this european referencing lexicon but ignoring noises greater connection to an unbroken strain of American creativity. cool stuff


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: psychotropicdecision on December 23, 2021, 02:41:49 AM
Hello, my name is Diam Mati and I have a podcast called NOISE PEOPLE. If u would ever like to collaborate on an episode together, please DM me.

My podcast is linked here - https://youtu.be/8j0bn9fLT20 a


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: -NRRRRK- on December 23, 2021, 11:08:09 AM
...
That some artists don't wait for inspiration.  They create the situation for productivity.
...

There is a German music-magazine which has a standardized interview-format on the last page of every issue. And one of the questions is something like "Does the real artist wait for inspiration or just goes to work?". Which seems somehow connected to the quote above and which is a question I think about a lot.

Is is real desireably for an artist to be "productive" or produce a lot? What does that say about the art he/she creates? Is is an economical factor and mainly serves to secure his financial income or is it an honest expression of some inner-self?

Here in Germany there is a certain separation of "artists" with a formal training that do art as a job and "artists" that are self-trained or autodidacts and usually have a regular day job. The later ones are usually seen as of minor quality and are often locked out of certain galery spaces or performance rooms.

And then there are "pros" like for example Neil Young, who says that you cannot force being creative, the muse has to kiss you by her own will.



Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on December 23, 2021, 02:36:40 PM
It can be also matter of approach. Especially in context of noise. Some aim for album that is masterpiece. Others may aim to create a piece, that is part of the masterpiece, that is the whole body of work rather than one album.
Latter approach may offer the creative freedom. Next album does not have to objectively be better than previous, simply a path to new directions. When looking back, the album may suddenly make sense, even if it has no absolute memorable hit potential so to say. Those who want and have patience to dig deeper into entire discography, can appreciate CD as part of body of work, even when its not artists highlight. Just good and inspiring, nevertheless.

There's a lot of talk about this through-out history of art. I think simply being self aware, what is worth of other people time and attention is enough. Lots of people never complete things, but seek ways of making it better and better, to the point that any improvement has become obsolete long ago. Lots of people put out seemingly whatever. There is plenty of space between to be creative in free way.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on December 27, 2021, 11:13:50 AM
The podcast is FINALLY available via Apple Podcasts, if that’s your thing.

https://podcasts.apple.com/de/podcast/white-centipede-noise-podcast/id1591297508
https://podcasts.apple.com/de/podcast/white-centipede-noise-podcast/id1591297508
https://podcasts.apple.com/de/podcast/white-centipede-noise-podcast/id1591297508


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on December 27, 2021, 03:59:40 PM
Complete professional footage from both days of AMPLIFIED HUMANS FESTIVAL, featuring legendary performances from THE RITA, AARON DILLOWAY, KILLER BUG, PARANOID TIME and many many more now available through the WCN Podcast Patreon.

https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise
https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise
https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: holy ghost on December 29, 2021, 04:50:42 AM
Paranoid Time podcast was GREAT! Really enjoyed it. Like that’s my kind of noise interview, had some legit LOLs.

Also Apple Podcasts is my platform of choice so thank you.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: pentd on December 30, 2021, 08:11:18 PM
tried to check that crumer episode, but yt asks for my id or credit card.... what is this? is the video posted somewhere else alternatively?


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: W.K. on December 30, 2021, 08:23:51 PM
tried to check that crumer episode, but yt asks for my id or credit card.... what is this? is the video posted somewhere else alternatively?

It's because Crumer uses to much fucks in the video (no I'm not kidding)



Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on December 30, 2021, 08:30:28 PM
I would also assume that even displaying self titled CD cover briefly may be enough?
Several videos been removed. Grunt material that had classic torso statue used in collage. Grainy photo of old statue enough to be K18.
Couple Contortus videos were removed or turned K18 simply due moderately ”insensitive” track title.

I would no advice anyone to rely on one platform if they like to make thing working on long run. Even trying your best to keep it clean, so to say, these days it won’t be enough.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Zeno Marx on December 30, 2021, 08:49:39 PM
From the USA and logged into youtube through google, just tried the Crumer, and it functions as it did.  No pay wall, warning, or anything unusual.  Youtube has always been funny about profanity, sexual content, etc when not logged in through some other means, needing some verification of being older than 18 years old to view.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on December 30, 2021, 10:25:30 PM
For some videos, it depends where you are. A lot of things that are not visible in Germany, can be seen elsewere. Couple years ago, they started to suppress a lot of videos inside EU. Anything that could theoretically be considered ”hate speech”, and obviously automatic process and people filing complaints were putting tons of material there was barely differs from most of underground music. Video would be still there, but not accessible inside EU and many european countries. Not showing up in searches etc.
As usual, there is no way to get actual human to check your video or restore your deleted account if it was shut down forhaving one unacceptable live gig among hundreds other uploads.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on December 31, 2021, 12:46:22 AM
tried to check that crumer episode, but yt asks for my id or credit card.... what is this? is the video posted somewhere else alternatively?

Yeah, super lame. Sorry about that everyone. They said it was for “sex and nudity,” so maybe it was really the cover of self titled? There’s really nothing spicy or controversial said or shown otherwise, besides a fair amount of swearing, but I watch all kinds of videos with millions of views full of foul language on YouTube that don’t have age restrictions. I guess I’ll have to consider bleeping out cursing from here on out :-/ if anyone has any more tips or info on how they screen and how to avoid I’d definitely appreciate it.

I’ll look into re-uploading the Crumer episode soon. The audio version is available on podcast platforms with no identity scans.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: pentd on December 31, 2021, 01:31:49 AM
still asking for age verification, even if logged into gmail first.... i dont mind listening to the podcast audio version. thats fine, it just buggs me that they do that

i dont mind the age restriction gag, but letting them scan my id or asking for bank card is just too much orwell for my paranoid head. its already fucked up enough as it is. sounds quite like "virus hotline dude calling me from mumbai"

umpio video got also restricted some time ago on FA's channel... even though it's quite tame i think. the robots are watching us!!!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: absurdexposition on December 31, 2021, 02:45:08 AM
if anyone has any more tips

Host on Vimeo? At least as a backup in case the YT videos get continuously flagged and/or removed.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: HateSermon on December 31, 2021, 05:19:18 AM
Vimeo is a good idea.

But yeah its always a surprise what flies on YT and what does not. For instance, Human Porridge is on their. But an album cover gets you taken down? Interesting…


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on December 31, 2021, 10:57:17 AM
There’s also a good chance that certain things just get reported by bitter losers, which I certainly think might have been the case with the Crumer episode.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on December 31, 2021, 11:48:55 AM
There’s also a good chance that certain things just get reported by bitter losers, which I certainly think might have been the case with the Crumer episode.

I think this may be the challenge of some interviews. To ignore certain topics some people wish artists will be confronted, might make be good choice to make it more interesting. However, there will be always people who will be pissed off that none of "hot topics" are discussed.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on December 31, 2021, 04:46:39 PM
OUT NOW - NOISE ON THE RUN, live from Jelenia Góra, Poland. WCN's personal wrap up of 2021, including my top 10 noise releases of the year, and news about what to look forward to in 2022.

This is the first installment of a new Patreon exclusive series of rambles, rants, and shit talk related to noise.

https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise
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https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: no_baizuo_allowed on January 02, 2022, 03:00:09 AM
Some criticism of WCN podcast just published on the Safety Propaganda blog:
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I don’t expect that White Centipede Noise show to ever go beyond procedural interviews that are only worth listening to when you like the artist being interviewed
Seems to just be taking a swipe at the show for the pure sake of it? Considering that the WCN shows interviewees do go off on long tangents when they are given the chance to speak. The 'procedural interview' questions are only really asked to facilitate that...
What will Safety Propaganda come up with next?! Haha


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on January 02, 2022, 04:52:15 AM
Not sure that more space ought to be allotted for a half-sentence worth of criticism. Wasn't that one of the themes running through the podcast? Guess our noble critic missed that.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on January 02, 2022, 10:42:25 AM
I don't think he missed it? I think it was expressed that procedural interviews are there, and only noise nerds will like it. Especially those who like the artist in question. He mentioned there is nothing for people who are not into noise. I doubt anyone would oppose that criticism? If similar interview series would be running on theme of reggae, it would be unlikely, you'd listen those simply because interviews are so amazing and insightful?

My assumption is, that WCN podcast is intended to be from "noise nerds to noise nerds", it succeeds in what it is. Done by person who has no education or long former history as "journalist" and people who may have never been interviewed in slightly odd webcam spoken interview. Even possibly using other language than their own. I do prefer that noise interviews are at least somehow connected to noise making. For example, Personal Best, nice magazine sure, but as fresh and unexpected would be to pick up noise guy to discuss.. well lets say V8 motors or ice-coffee, I just.... can't ;)  I may be interested on favorite coffee of W. Herzog, but I don't need full story of noisemakers hobbies that seem to have no connection to their sound. 

For example, Harsh Truths, when it was often expressed that it wanted to go "deeper", I just do not get what is "deeper" about half an hour talk of what your father had as job and what kind of school you went into and if you played soccer as a kid. No no, its not "deep". That's almost always  the same mundane surface level that we all have, and gets interesting only after that is brushed away and we see what other things you are, than just the regular Joe like anyone else.

Procedural interviews, sure, but noise interviews where its more about noise, is nice. (this can be said about upcoming issue of SI too. Many interviews in it are procedural. Some are not. Latter are probably the best, but I like also the standard Q+A based usual topics "you should have" in noise interview..) 
We have seen signs of WCN going beyond prepared template at times and also template changing a bit. It would be nice to see where WCN reaches when its been around same time as Noisextra and Harsh Truths was.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on January 03, 2022, 05:17:36 PM
Well no. The quote was fans of the artist.

Vs harsh noise in general.

I think that's a pretty big hair to split and unfortunately I am currently smartphoned into this halfarsed response.

Will flesh out tomorrow ish.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on January 03, 2022, 05:30:24 PM
But will add. It wouldn't take a huge density of braincells to immediately recognize the extra-noise appeal of a haters or a smell n quim. For other kinds of artists slightly more attention might be recommended.

Just sayin.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on January 03, 2022, 07:34:48 PM
New episode with Mack Chami of KOUFAR, TERROR CELL UNIT and GOD IS WAR out now!

https://youtu.be/YuSJdtaEqBA
https://youtu.be/YuSJdtaEqBA
https://youtu.be/YuSJdtaEqBA


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: holy ghost on January 03, 2022, 07:38:05 PM
I think the WCN podcast does a great job from the “for noise fans, by noise fan” approach. He keeps the interviews moving and keeps the focus on the interviewee. I think you look at the differences he was able to get out of Paranoid Time vs Jason Crumer - definitely did not seem “procedural” when looking at different interviews. I don’t know who would interested outside of the noise scene so to me it’s totally fine if they remain “ultra niche” in their content.

I have been a fan of all the artists interviewed so far - I am not into TCU or Koufar (no hate, just not my thing) but I will most likely give the most recent interview a spin just because I enjoy the format… so that will be the first one for me to see if I just “enjoy the interview” without really knowing much about the artist.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: brutalist_tapes on January 03, 2022, 09:23:56 PM
it's a great interview imo, very charismatic guy even though i'm not the biggest fan of his music. but now i gotta check out his god is war stuff. i actually liked terror cell unit, tho.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: W.K. on January 03, 2022, 11:23:39 PM
Vimeo is a good idea.

But yeah its always a surprise what flies on YT and what does not. For instance, Human Porridge is on their. But an album cover gets you taken down? Interesting…

Vimeo is only paid right? I don't think there is a 'free' tier anymore on Vimeo (or maybe only a very limited one). Guess if some of us chime in it's pretty doable but also Vimeo doesn't really have a discovery function like Youtube has (if that work for Noise or not is another discussion on its own).



Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: W.K. on January 03, 2022, 11:27:49 PM
tried to check that crumer episode, but yt asks for my id or credit card.... what is this? is the video posted somewhere else alternatively?
if anyone has any more tips.

Not really a tip on video hosting but would it be possible to create a e-mail newsletter or sorts with podcast updates so I don't have to watch the topic here on updates? Would like to see that but maybe I'm asking too much.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: W.K. on January 03, 2022, 11:41:37 PM
Harsh Truths

Any idea what happened to him? Really liked his stuff (although maybe a little to much talk about himself and his own past) but he hasn't been doing anything anymore. Last post is some rant about a label (in typical pity punk/noise fashion throwing it all on the internet) that doesn't have anything to do with the podcast itself. Why did he stop?


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on January 04, 2022, 12:15:06 AM
tried to check that crumer episode, but yt asks for my id or credit card.... what is this? is the video posted somewhere else alternatively?
if anyone has any more tips.

Not really a tip on video hosting but would it be possible to create a e-mail newsletter or sorts with podcast updates so I don't have to watch the topic here on updates? Would like to see that but maybe I'm asking too much.

There’s an email list: Sign up for our mailing list to keep in touch: http://eepurl.com/gqDB9P
You can also subscribe to the YouTube channel, or simply know that it airs every Monday at 18:00 CET


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: HateSermon on January 04, 2022, 04:07:44 AM
Vimeo is a good idea.

But yeah its always a surprise what flies on YT and what does not. For instance, Human Porridge is on their. But an album cover gets you taken down? Interesting…

Vimeo is only paid right? I don't think there is a 'free' tier anymore on Vimeo (or maybe only a very limited one). Guess if some of us chime in it's pretty doable but also Vimeo doesn't really have a discovery function like Youtube has (if that work for Noise or not is another discussion on its own).

Ah, good point. It might not be free? I use my work’s account so I guess I’ve never had to consider paying for it.



Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: -NRRRRK- on January 04, 2022, 09:53:48 AM
Any idea what happened to him?

If I remember correctly he posted in one of his instagram stories that the podcast is done and at this point he wasn't able to do more episodes. Since instagram stories disappear over time I could not double check it, but maybe someone else saw it too and can confirm.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on January 04, 2022, 10:06:47 AM
Harsh Truths

Any idea what happened to him? Really liked his stuff (although maybe a little to much talk about himself and his own past) but he hasn't been doing anything anymore. Last post is some rant about a label (in typical pity punk/noise fashion throwing it all on the internet) that doesn't have anything to do with the podcast itself. Why did he stop?

First he announced it will be hiatus, due covid situation did not allow face to face meetings for more intimate interviews. I think this situation has not really changed in USA? I was told he had mentioned somewhere that podcast is now officially over, due there is no really need now that there are other active podcasts. I would assume there is space for HT too.
I think it would be good for anyone to have something besides IG if they want to spread news. Especially odd way these days is to communicate via IG stories, visible for few hours and then disappear.

But back to on-topic!
New episode with Mack Chami of KOUFAR, TERROR CELL UNIT and GOD IS WAR out now!

https://youtu.be/YuSJdtaEqBA
https://youtu.be/YuSJdtaEqBA
https://youtu.be/YuSJdtaEqBA

I am still half way though. Just enough to catch the shout-out for SI forum ;) haha. Thanks! Will continue the rest later today.
So far been good interview and charming gentleman, easygoing and good talking.

I find it a bit odd, that there would be so strong ethos of being "accepted"? As a example, when Finn noise scene started, NOBODY was interested. Exclude like Eric Wood and bunch of others. There was no chance that you could be somehow "in" what was happening in Japanese noise, or what European heavy electronics, USA harsh noise crunch. And so on. Of course, I could co-operate with people in every scene, no problem, but it appears as Bizarre Uproar or Grunt would be too noise for "industrial crowd" too industrial for harsh noise crowd, too handmade formless smashing to be "power electronics". Too unfocused and whatever-goes DIY attitude for noble heavy electronics fans. Too sleazy for the nice noise scene. Not looking or sounding almost anything at particular.

And there was no idea that there is "Finnish noise". Probably nobody would consciously decide to check out something like that. It took more than decade to really create something, and I don't think anyone ever had idea that we should somehow be noticed or accepted by guys who were doing their thing decade before. For big part, it is not the same thing that is being done. Fits under umbrella of hard experimental noise and paths cross-over sometimes more, sometimes less, but I am fully aware, you can not "sell idea" of Finn noise being interesting and good, for the stubborn 60 year old Whitehouse & NWW fanboys. It just ain't happening, as what is being done here, is different thing and different time.

I'm sure mr. Koufar can see it, and realize there ain't much to be gained in noise, other than following instinct in middle of getting criticized by those slightly other side/era of noise, hehe. Sometimes criticism is good, and learning to cope it with even better.

One of my fond memories is getting letter from William Bennet who did not like my review of Quality time. It's great album now, but at the time not so much. It is certainly downhill from all albums before that. Anyways, as a teenage noisefan, just casually expressing opinion on fanzine printed few hundred copies and after few months, letter with Susan Lawly return address appears to letter box, where annoyed Bennet explains how they are "light years ahead of all things happening in noise". Sure. I can appreciate this. Same way I do appreciate Koufar being strongly confident of his own excellency. Minority Report 2 tape is indeed vastly improved from older stuff, so anyone who wants to check Koufar after this interview, I'd recommend to start from that. Can be found from bandcamp.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: RURAL RESISTANCE on January 04, 2022, 11:14:12 AM
The Koufar guy seems to have a very good taste in hiphop. He listed Boldy James x Alchemist, Conway and Roc Marciano among others.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Potier on January 04, 2022, 06:39:46 PM
I do prefer that noise interviews are at least somehow connected to noise making. For example, Personal Best, nice magazine sure, but as fresh and unexpected would be to pick up noise guy to discuss.. well lets say V8 motors or ice-coffee, I just.... can't ;)  I may be interested on favorite coffee of W. Herzog, but I don't need full story of noisemakers hobbies that seem to have no connection to their sound. 

For example, Harsh Truths, when it was often expressed that it wanted to go "deeper", I just do not get what is "deeper" about half an hour talk of what your father had as job and what kind of school you went into and if you played soccer as a kid. No no, its not "deep". That's almost always  the same mundane surface level that we all have, and gets interesting only after that is brushed away and we see what other things you are, than just the regular Joe like anyone else.

Procedural interviews, sure, but noise interviews where its more about noise, is nice.

Interesting take/interesting preferences and I can see how one wants to know all about a person's noise-related activities, maybe even their gear or their recording approach or their live performances. I guess Noisextra covers that ground on their Gear-Patreon-Episodes that I have never checked out. Generally, however, I feel that there is way too much cookie cutter style interviewing going around. In fact, I would be much more interested in getting to know the person behind the noise. I can pick up your tape or CD or vinyl to get into your noise. For example: I would imagine Lasse Marhaug having a lot to say about tea ceremonies if and when asked about it. A lot of folks can illustrate a direct connection between their other interests/hobbies and even their work life and their noise activities. At this point, I would take questions about someone's favorite food or recipe or car or bicycle any day over another "How did you get into noise?". Ask about where they grew up and how it shaped them - why not? The general template for these interviews seems to be very similar and therefore pretty tired for many zines I've read and for many interviews I have listened to. As for Harsh Truths, I feel that Roman was trying very hard to find the root of noise and sound art in a person's life and I truly appreciated that every time it was done. How we are raised and how we grow up very much informs our values, convictions and what we strive for not only in life but also in art. When an interviewer shares personal stories, like in Harsh Truths, it serves the purpose of building a relationship with someone on the spot and finding commonalities and jumping off points for other talk. I can see why he would end/put on hold the pod based on concerns around not being able to meet with people face to face - it is crucial to his process because I feel he wanted to connect on a different level. As for WCN Pod, I very much like what I have seen and heard so far and one can clearly see and hear Oskar's utter enthusiasm when it comes to sharing this somewhat awkward yet in these times so familiar online video chat space with people that have an impact in noise. It is great to see people's faces as they chat and even if not all of the questions cover the ground I would like to hear covered, I have to congratulate WCN Pod on this great contribution. As for everything else, we have the tendency to quickly start taking things for granted and it is really only a handful of people here and there that make efforts like this to advance the cause of noise and its networks. After all, as long as I am not in a position to execute, document and publish the interviews I would like to hear and see, there really should be nothing to complain about at all. I cannot even begin to imagine the amount of time spent to put this together on a weekly basis and I am deeply appreciative of this new and exciting project. It helps to lift noise out of the caves it has been living in and what could be wrong with that? The Koufar-Interview is a great example of showcasing that there are intersections between noise and other genres and approaches to sound that go beyond our much loved tape murk and metal bashing, contact mic scraping, death metal pedal worshipping realm of noise. Is it for nerds? Sure. I'm all for that.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Zeno Marx on January 04, 2022, 07:39:48 PM
For example: I would imagine Lasse Marhaug having a lot to say about tea ceremonies if and when asked about it. A lot of folks can illustrate a direct connection between their other interests/hobbies and even their work life and their noise activities. At this point, I would take questions about someone's favorite food or recipe or car or bicycle any day over another "How did you get into noise?". Ask about where they grew up and how it shaped them - why not?
+1


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: HONOR_IS_KING! on January 04, 2022, 07:56:58 PM
Big thanks to Oskar for having me and I'm glad everyone's been enjoying the episode so far!




I find it a bit odd, that there would be so strong ethos of being "accepted"?


Honestly for me not to bring up the Special Interests forum would be wrong. I remember signing on board early on and being excited to have found a place online where music of this nature could be discussed!

But as for being accepted, I think what I really meant was "recognition/respect" within the underground. Sounds silly to a lot but as a young kid I always wanted to be a musician and do music on the biggest level possible. I looked at folks like Mike Dando, Klaus and GO, Whitehouse, and even you Mikko and I wanted to have that same respect/recognition that I saw given to you and them. I wanted to move people because I enjoyed this medium and love it so much. Still want to go higher and higher still. Just like many things in life, we choose the level at which we want to participate at. Some only make compilation tracks, some only ever do one full length. Some headline festivals, others only play locally. I always and still do want to participate at the highest level.

And yes at the end of the day, there isn't a whole lot to be gained via noise. Also depending on project and its subject matter/reputation it can be even more difficult to be live and "active.".  A big reason why I decided to move GIW into a more musical direction and last year GIW joined the Heavy Talent roster (booking agency). I also got offered to have my other projects join which I happily accepted except for Koufar. I feel ever since the controversy/witch hunt/attempted cancellation, Koufar will never be able to escape the underground. In fact its where it belongs. Plain and simple. Having to confront ignorant people in real life over online bullshit crusades against me and Sam isn't fun or enjoyable. Would much rather perform and engage with those that understand and respect what is happening.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Strangecross on January 04, 2022, 11:00:16 PM
I agree with Mr. Toepfer,
The best interviews are not about noise.
Better to hear Roemer talk about Trannies, or Dave Phillips about recipes...or whatever smell & quim has to say.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on January 04, 2022, 11:56:49 PM
All the criticism said, I'm of course all in favor for mentioned things. I think I am only missing latest or two Personal Best. It is certainly better than they do(or did) exists, than that would have not.

The thing is, that I have grown pretty damn tired of things like we see in some Finnish music press for example. Cooking section. Metal heads sharing recipes. Or gaming special. All sorts of metal celebrities talking about computer games. Being irritated of that, I contacted magazine editor to tell that in Special Interests there used to be couple times "recommended book". Book that has importance for the one who read it, perhaps for themes/lyrics of particular release. That could feel 100% relevant to me. They actually liked the idea, and in next.. was it 5 issues, you had anything from Nightwish to Napalm Death sharing stories of their reading habits and some relations to art they make.

In Personal Best, there was Jaakko Vanhala talking about tea enthusiasm. Not a bad article, and also in a way very much Vanhala approach, yet nevertheless, barely connection to art he is making. Not in a way that it would feel relevant. Macronympha talking about trannies would be 100% relevant in context what they do. So would be veganism of Dave Phillips. Or any odd bizarro stories S&Q may come up. Those feel integral to their art. It is not just talking about what job your sister had, but something related to personality of artists AND the works put out under this name.

So was the stories in Koufar piece. Whatever was "non-noise", it was still somewhat explanatory for what the project is. Even talking of moving from place to another, there was always relevancy towards what it meant for project.

Or times when for example John Wiese has been talking about his typeface design activities or art school (not on HT and noisextra). That is 100% relevant, when his work is often packages in his own design, with typeface that he designed for it. When saying I prefer interview to focus on art people do, this is what I mean. I don't mean endlessly talking of gear of studio work. Most of noise is vastly more. Depth for interview, I hope depth into what is relevant for the art. Not mundane lives.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Strangecross on January 05, 2022, 12:08:29 AM
That's right,
yet many aspects of noise making can also be a mundane life


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on January 05, 2022, 12:14:09 AM
As example, me taking dump in toilet would be mundane (usually), but Tisbor doing it, that art. Crucial for his noise, hah…


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on January 05, 2022, 03:45:02 AM
Is noise really not enough?

I find it strange that in a genre/subculture of music so specific and obscure, with such fanaticism and so little documentation or journalism, that people are more interested in hearing an artist talk about food or sex or cars than about what they think about noise, how and why they do it, etc. Aren’t there enough outlets that cover such topics? My aim is to provide a full picture of the artist and their work. Of course those things are often a part of that picture and well worth addressing or even exploring, but I know the thought of a great artist like Jaako Vanhalla, who I would really like to know a lot more about, doing an interview where he only talks about tea is irritating to me. No disrespect to Lasse or Personal Best zine (I love his work and appreciate the zine) but this approach smacks of boredom and a flippant attitude to the art-form that is noise.

As for my own approach with the podcast, I’m learning on the job, but definitely improving as I go. The time span was less than 2 weeks from thinking: “someone ought to do a video podcast interviewing noise artists” to saying: “I guess I’m going to be the one to do it,” and now here we are. I don’t have any experience with journalism or interviews, and I don’t pride myself for being a particularly charismatic conversationalist or great intellectual. I’m asking the questions that I as an artist and person deeply involved and obsessed with noise want to know. I am not interested in being one of these “podcast-podcasts” where it’s all about 2 free thinkers riffing off each other and providing a mind-blowing conversation about “whatever” to the listener. I do want to go DEEPER and learn more about the individual as an artist, but don’t want to spend disproportionate amounts of time talking about their childhood or day jobs, unless those turn out to be particularly relevant to their work. Sometimes they are, most of the time they’re not. It’s also very much about shop-talk for me, and not necessarily providing the most accessibly entertaining conversation to the casual noise fan. The “procedural interview” is a skeleton I’ve been using to make sure I stay focused and don’t forget to cover important ground, but it’s definitely something I’m always trying to improve upon. Still, I think most of my guests have done a great job taking my questions as a starting point and running with it. I’m trying to get better at running along with them. The video chat format isn’t the most conducive to free flowing conversation, but that’s a limitation I deal  with. I have already planned to have certain guests back for a second round to talk more in depth about specific things, so that will indeed happen. I’ve also started to do private solo episodes for patreon supporters, partially based on questions asked/topics from supporters, which already seems like it will be quite interesting.

I do genuinely dream of this podcast being something a wider variety of people will find engaging and valuable, and will continue to strive to make it that, but only on my terms. I am not at all interested in pandering to people who are “over” noise, who think noise is over, who use phrases like “one of the few noise artists who actually…” or “finally something fresh...” I’m not going to focus on spicy but irrelevant stories in order to make it interesting to more people. I would be extremely disappointed if someone sat down with Joe Roemer for 2 hours and only wanted to talk about “fucking trannies” and not his thoughts on all of the other interesting stuff he has been involved with.

That said, I am sincerely interested in hearing more from people about what kinds of questions they are interested in hearing from artists and honing my interview skills. Please do reach out.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on January 05, 2022, 04:59:36 AM
Well no. The quote was fans of the artist.

Vs harsh noise in general.

I think that's a pretty big hair to split and unfortunately I am currently smartphoned into this halfarsed response.

Will flesh out tomorrow ish.

Now that I have the opportunity to flesh things out, I’m not sure of the need. There were, I think, for me, two lines of argument.

The second line could conditionally accept that a podcast of this stripe would appeal primarily to “fans of the artist”. In a soundworld of this non-size it is highly probable that fans of harsh noise will dig a fair percentage of the artists being interviewed (another running theme in the podcast). Plus I’m supremely biased because you can certainly color me among fans of the artist(s). Except for you, yes you. Though I must say I’d had little inkling as to Mr Griggs’ role in the whole shebang and I love the way he seemed a bit blindsided by his own somewhat staged “outing”. That’s art right there.

The above connects to the first line which argues that the earlier-said critic does not quite seem to grasp, nor particularly care to grasp, everything that the podcast is bringing. The requisite degree of attention I’d demand from a critic whose words I’m willing to read simply does not appear to be there. I guess you could say I’d be cool with that if sir critic had prefaced his critique with a FdW-esque “all noise these days is a pile of derivative crap”. He didn’t so no love, sorry.
 
But to flesh out line the first a bit more (and digress a whole hellava lot more). It kind of hit home cause I’m just as fucking guilty. (Yup, no love for me either, it seems. Nothing like a bit of healthy self-loathing to get the noise juices pumping.) Pardon me, losing my train of thought.
 
Repeat: I’m just as FUCKING guilty. Of bandcamp-provoked limited attention-span-itus. Take the latest WCN batch. Fully some of the best shit in 2022, full stop. (2021? Well 2022 for me, okay.) Then take KM Toepfer. A project that I hadn’t previously fucked with. Reason being, just as came up in an earlier episode: flippantly flipping through one or two tracks, not really giving them the time or attention to grab. (Not sure “grab” is the right verb for a project clearly steeped in clinically precise get-thy-filthy-mitts-off-me, I digress). Plus not really running into any proper write-ups; I’m a write-ups sorta listener. So why start fucking, why now? Well, cause WCN says so. That’s almost, but actually not quite, enough. I’m not really a labels sorta listener. But on the say so, perhaps one whole additional minute of undivided attention was granted. That’s right, sixty or seventy seconds of bonus concentrated listening. And sold.

Sorry seemed to go off more than intended and sort of inserted part of a half-formed kernel of a review. Hope I’ve sufficiently muddied any hope of making my case. Now back to your regularly scheduled podcast.

Side comment: +1 for WCN playing the straight man. In fact, it’s demonstrably demanded. Whether intended or not. Let the artist say as much (or as little) as they may be inclined.


edit
taking dump in toilet would be mundane (usually), but Tisbor doing it, that art.

Say what you will about Tisbor, but the man knows his shit.




Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on January 05, 2022, 02:05:13 PM
Also just to follow up, I don’t think we’re anywhere near the saturation point of too many noise podcasts, or general approaches, for that matter. I have full respect and appreciation for Noisextra and Harsh Truths, and wish HT would continue on. It seemed like HT “threw in the towel” in part because “other podcasts” had emerged and he didn’t feel there was room anymore. I totally disagree. I see no competition between noise podcasts. I think everyone has their own worthy approach, and the more the merrier at this point - I believe we all enrich each other and most importantly: the culture.

WCN Podcast aims firstly to offer exhaustive interviews focused on the artist for the hardcore noise fan, and give the artist the chance to tell their story as completely as possibly. I don’t want to talk too much about Wince or the label, except where relevant to the artist. There will be room for that elsewhere. This is a meat-and-potatoes operation, so I certainly welcome people covering all different types of angles.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: New Forces on January 05, 2022, 04:56:55 PM
From the participant side, I didn't find the interviewee experience to be formulaic, and that was while sharing space with three other people. Even the most "formulaic" question (list my favorite releases, both all time and recently) provoked a surprising amount of reflection about how, how much, and how often I'm listening to the albums I appreciate the most. I've been thinking quite a bit since the interview (and the Hands To discussion on Noisextra) about how the massive volume of releases that cycle through my house are listened to once and shelved, and how that sucks. 

If Oskar wants to have me back to talk about the noise fantasy football league I can do that, but I'm pretty sure most would hate that or be bored with it. Or maybe not, maybe people want to hear about how I lost in the semifinals to Deterge over some bullshit. I agree with the broad consensus here - the podcast is off to a great start and will only get better as Oskar has more and more practice.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: oreida on January 05, 2022, 05:41:24 PM
Loving the podcast so far. This and noisextra are the only things I subscribe to on patreon. Don't mind pitching in a few bucks at all.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Eigen Bast on January 05, 2022, 06:02:12 PM
I enjoyed Mack's ep. The discussion around the move to modular and the bridges being built between noise and hardcore were of particular interest. I have noticed that HC dudes as of late are way more into/supportive of noise than I remember from even a few years ago. I'm guessing some of this came from COVID era pedal psychosis. Overall i'm seeing less of the smug "anyone can do that" attitude and more of the "teach me how to do that" regarding noise from folks who don't actively participate in the genre. It's really refreshing after dealing with years of legit HATRED from "experimental musicians" and other so called "open minded" people.

Also, unsolicited commentary here, but I think peoples negativity towards modular is a very American thing - it's become a kind of de rigeur tech-hipster thing to drop 5k on a modular rig and upload vids of ambient loops to your instagram - it's pure yuppie $$ signalling for a lot of people, but to throw the baby out with the bathwater is a silly perspective.

RE: the nature of the discussion, I think we can agree that given how virtually undocumented noise is, any and all contributions to "the culture" build on each other; the idea that 3 podcasts can't exist within a genre, especially when they're all doing something a little difference, is just not right. Hell if you guys like mundanity so much why not start a noise podcast where you ask people who don't even know what noise is what their favorite 5 salad dressings of 2021 are or whatever then run it through a HM-2.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Potier on January 05, 2022, 08:35:54 PM
I find it strange that in a genre/subculture of music so specific and obscure, with such fanaticism and so little documentation or journalism, that people are more interested in hearing an artist talk about food or sex or cars than about what they think about noise, how and why they do it, etc. Aren’t there enough outlets that cover such topics? My aim is to provide a full picture of the artist and their work. Of course those things are often a part of that picture and well worth addressing or even exploring, but I know the thought of a great artist like Jaako Vanhalla, who I would really like to know a lot more about, doing an interview where he only talks about tea is irritating to me. No disrespect to Lasse or Personal Best zine (I love his work and appreciate the zine) but this approach smacks of boredom and a flippant attitude to the art-form that is noise.

Since the topic of mundane life came up, I think I need to clarify the point I was trying to make: I was not arguing for noise-focused podcasts or noise-focused publications to become focused solely on food or sex or cars or tea. The point I was trying to make is around learning more about who a noise artist is - as you say in your statement - beyond their noise (released or unreleased), their recording practice or live performance. If that includes a conversation about tea, then I appreciate that. Depending on how deep one wants to go, specific topics could also be covered in separate episodes - e.g.: "If you wanna know more about Jaako Vanhalla's tea ceremonies, please check out our upcoming patreon episode." This is already happening on Noisextra as far as I can tell - obviously still with a different focus.
As for Mr. Marhaug and Personal Best (I only own one of those magazines and cannot comment much on general content.), I would say that someone who has been a creator of noise among so many other things for like 30 years is likely to have a certain outlook on noise as a culture that may well include boredom and flippant attitudes or maybe even jadedness. He should be allowed to cover noise and the artists involved in the fashion he chooses as long as he is paying to publish the final product.

I am not interested in being one of these “podcast-podcasts” where it’s all about 2 free thinkers riffing off each other and providing a mind-blowing conversation about “whatever” to the listener. I do want to go DEEPER and learn more about the individual as an artist, but don’t want to spend disproportionate amounts of time talking about their childhood or day jobs, unless those turn out to be particularly relevant to their work. Sometimes they are, most of the time they’re not. It’s also very much about shop-talk for me, and not necessarily providing the most accessibly entertaining conversation to the casual noise fan.

I did not advocate for spending disproportionate amounts of time on someone's childhood or day jobs...(again: unless relevant to the general conversation and to what the focus is) It certainly is about finding a good balance. I also dislike podcasts that veer off into nowhere for 45 minutes with banter or dick-measuring-contests. 

I would be extremely disappointed if someone sat down with Joe Roemer for 2 hours and only wanted to talk about “fucking trannies” and not his thoughts on all of the other interesting stuff he has been involved with.

I doubt that Mr. Roemer would sit down for a 2 hour interview on a topic like that... This is an extreme example and definitely a niche interest...not to mention the problems one would have without putting things like that behind a paywall. :-) With a sense of humor I would say make that a Patreon-Episode for the "fanatics".

RE: the nature of the discussion, I think we can agree that given how virtually undocumented noise is, any and all contributions to "the culture" build on each other; the idea that 3 podcasts can't exist within a genre, especially when they're all doing something a little difference, is just not right. Hell if you guys like mundanity so much why not start a noise podcast where you ask people who don't even know what noise is what their favorite 5 salad dressings of 2021 are or whatever then run it through a HM-2.

Once again a broad generalization and exaggeration obviously when it comes to the salad dressing matter. I like a home-made honey mustard vinaigrette personally, obviously depending on the type of salad. I am not asking for anything really when it comes to podcasts since, again: I don't record or publish one, so I cannot and will not try to dictate what people want to feature. I feel like interviews can ultimately be relationship-building tools and it shows in WCN-Pod that Oskar already has relationships with the people he interviews. This is great and will hopefully expand into all sorts of covered topics closely or less closely related to noise - as per his choice.

On another general note: the more coverage of noise, the better it is. The "customer", "reader" or "listener" will ultimately decide what they like and what they don't like. People vote with their feet and/or their wallets ultimately.

I don't know where I come out on the sentiment that there is too little coverage or documentation of noise...after all we live in an era where live performances are streamed, uploaded, recorded and published on Bandcamp or Soundcloud or you name it. A world, where I can check out someone's performance that took place thousands of miles away on my Smart TV in HD from the comfort of my couch. There are a fair few well-produced podcasts now, there are more and more professionally produced magazines like Untitled Zine or Special Interests. There are still smaller, less frequent publications that subscribe to a total DIY philosophy - like Troubled Sleep etc. Could there be more? Sure. Should we be grateful for what we have available: absolutely.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: PTM Jim on January 05, 2022, 08:43:43 PM
Even talking of moving from place to another, there was always relevancy towards what it meant for project.

Yeah, I think geography is EXTREMELY relevant in noise (and any art really). Even in the US, there are absolutely vastly different sounds that are region specific all over the country at the same time (i.e. late 2000s - early 2010s saw a more relaxed west coast while the midwest was dirty harsh noise).

maybe people want to hear about how I lost in the semifinals to Deterge over some bullshit.
Ha. Covid: It gives and it takes.

Koufar will never be able to escape the underground. In fact its where it belongs. Plain and simple.
This is, or at least should be, true for all PE. If everyone likes it, you're doing something wrong.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on January 06, 2022, 04:16:07 PM
I don't know where I come out on the sentiment that there is too little coverage or documentation of noise...after all we live in an era where live performances are streamed, uploaded, recorded and published on Bandcamp or Soundcloud or you name it.

Uh-oh, here I go with another splitting of the hair.

Documentation: presentation, performance, release, laying it out there, doing the thing, possibly to the point of earning the doer acknowledgements both good and less good.

Coverage: commentary, criticism, critique, shit-talk, possibly to the point of earning the talker a roemer-blessed tin 'o turd in the mail.

The former, yes, plenty. The latter?



Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on January 06, 2022, 09:33:15 PM
Documentation: presentation, performance, release, laying it out there, doing the thing, possibly to the point of earning the doer acknowledgements both good and less good.

Coverage: commentary, criticism, critique, shit-talk, possibly to the point of earning the talker a roemer-blessed tin 'o turd in the mail.

The former, yes, plenty. The latter?

I got the SI #13 in state of waiting to start doing lay-out. Editorial in this issue will be long. Seriously long, and it will deal a bit with things that may be related to... coverage! It comes in conclusion that we are most of all lacking the noise folklore. But other things are also commented. Those who read paper magazines, hopefully can grab it later this month!



Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on January 07, 2022, 05:00:42 PM
I got the SI #13 in state of waiting to start doing lay-out.

The turd's in the mail.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: PRISONFOOD on January 07, 2022, 06:49:44 PM
Been enjoying these interviews quite a bit. After a stretch of inactive years, I am finally feeling the pang to locate the noise pulse again. Binge watching these well crafted episodes cause they really let me feel as if I am getting to know the artists. It's easy to identify with many of the topics discussed and I do admire the many perspectives that are shared.  This content has me inspired to find more of this kind of conversation in noise.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: yullowteef on January 10, 2022, 03:09:15 PM
Been watching the WCN episodes while I cook supper in the evening. I especially enjoyed the Crumer and Koufar interviews because it isn't very often that I get to hear artists forego false modesty in order to discuss their work in a confident way that acknowledges their success, process, and vision. It was also refreshing to hear both Crumer and Mack address the emotion and inspiration behind their work, as I've grown tired of the hyper-masculine posturing that does not allow for personal or emotional discussion. Great podcast, looking forward to more.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on January 10, 2022, 09:21:06 PM
WCN Podcast #11 N. Desuah of BODY CARVE/LIGATURE IMPRESSION out now!!!

https://youtu.be/kRO6HyXDctQ
https://youtu.be/kRO6HyXDctQ
https://youtu.be/kRO6HyXDctQ


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Zeno Marx on January 11, 2022, 06:05:38 PM
Koufar interview is quality.  Like the guy, too.  The only people I've known who throw around "fools" are Midwesterners.  Had I heard Middle Eastern Promises last year, it would have been on my "best of" list.  I'd like to throw some hyperbole at it, but I don't know where to start.  If you haven't heard Koufar, I recommend starting there.  To borrow from his drops, the depth of Con-Dom and engagement of Iron Fist of the Sun.  Stand out, stand up album.

Kind of think a good home for his progressive approach would be Ant-Zen.  People over there doing PE but seemingly not concerned with being labeled PE or anything else.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Tribe Tapes on January 12, 2022, 03:50:45 AM
Started listening to the WCN podcasts during downtime at work last week.
Based on personality alone, the Koufar and Crumer episodes were my first.

I liked Koufar’s music a lot maybe three, four years ago. Not my cup of tea, but God Is War is interesting.
Regardless of my feelings on the man’s work, I was thoroughly entertained by the interview itself.
Felt like two friends, hanging out, talking noise… for contemporary artists this is the right approach.

Crumer, I feel, brings the American folk music tradition to noise. I mean the totality of that statement.
His work in its insistence on “albums”, as thematic works, is vulgarly individualistic in a way I can adore.
Said individualism leads me to regarding Crumer’s albums as patriotic works, not of politics, but of self.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on January 12, 2022, 09:37:16 AM
After new episode, I was thinking what all BC I have gotten. I also know, that while liking what he has done, I also occasionally mixed it with Body Collector... Totally unrelated project.

I have no idea what all Body Carve I have, but at least couple things. After the episode, Guts in Red Plastic tape was pulled out from shelves, as artist concluded it was his best works really. And it is very good! Solid harsh noise blasting, and just as they concluded, not wall noise, but… wall of harsh noise. I guess entire concept of HNW is debatable. Perhaps more than wall - that really tends to be one monolithic object, this is STORM or avalanche of noise. Just total blasting, that is moving forward with ferocious power. It is heavy, crunchy and thick, but… perhaps just too much things happening to be ”wall”. There is not many seconds where things would not be actively processed plus also repeatedly moving to new things.

In WCN interview, it is quite amusing when repeatedly is described how all this corpse and gore art is not for shock or to be ”brutal”. Giving impression as if that is the common idea behind corpses in noise/industrial. Sort of between the lines can be understood that Body Carve used it the right way, while the mysterious others are just trying to be edgy. I don’t think I have ever really talked to artists who’s interest is dead bodies and all sorts of things of that nature would be merely ”brutal… man!”. Especially with older folks, when amount of work and effort to get certain type of material exceeded level where one could think that it was just for laughts or piss off or shock others, hah.. And also, who others? When audience was most of all other corpse fetishists. I would be quite curious to see examples of dishonest corpse art in noise scene. Now that I think how little of it I have seen for many years, I’m thinking wouldn’t hurt a bit more corpses into contemporary noise!

Perhaps podcast could inquire how artists feel about noise community? I don't remember if there was talk about this in SI forum, but I have written about it in Finnish several times. In growing numbers, I keep seeing talk about noise community, which seems sort of repulsive idea. I like the idea of scene. It's just bunch of people, loosely connected, doing what they do, and scene is what you see when you take a look. It has a bit of this, a bit of that.   Community in other hand, tends to come with some good things, but also the level of shared common denominators can start create negative baggage. Like anytime you hear, person say "in noise community there is no place for..." and you know there will be some ridiculous BS said, from delusional perspective as if they'd be calling the shots. 

Above mentioned isn't really related to WCN at all, but kind of noise community discourse appears frequently. It would be nice to see if such division is seen my people who may feel part of community rather than pretty lawless global scene.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Duncan on January 12, 2022, 03:49:11 PM
Body Carve episode was enjoyable even though I had next to zero awareness of his work prior to listening. I liked the way he described certain decisions that went into the project to actively avoid certain techniques or sound palettes in order to make his own kind of ideal version of what noise should sound like. Since we're now in a time where we can hear more and more about what an artist does to achieve their sound it can be equally interesting hear what they have opted NOT to do on a purely technical level.

I enjoyed his take on the medical/gross imagery as a kind of extension of his work in science but also his role as a parent who can contextualise these biological...happenings...with his own kid/s. It gave the impression of his exploring this morbid, grizzly stuff from a somewhat anxious or even concerned (??) perspective as opposed to a purely objective or vicious one. Finally, I REALLY connected with his statement that his life has always been filled with different aspects of his psyche and interest which had to be reconciled with more plain, adult parts. Not that noise is overly filled with strong characters leading crazy lives but I've always enjoyed affirmations that this highly niche and bizarre music would be privately enthused over by seemingly quite normal people. On the Troniks board once I saw some tongue in cheek phrase to the effect of 'noise musicians don't live as artists, they're all office clerks'. I'm paraphrasing. But I was drawn to this notion and still appreciate the idea that 80%+ of the frenzied noise/weird music people I know probably go about their daily lives entirely undetected and giving off no sense at all that they would be locked into such a strange and often distasteful world!

One incredibly small suggestion or request I'd make of the podcast going forward is that Oskar might consider adding a track ID (hah!) of the artist's music which gets played at the start of each episode in the vid description? Not an overly important detail but good for those times when the artist is less familiar to the viewer and would like to investigate based even on that short sample.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: feedbacker on January 12, 2022, 05:46:45 PM
One incredibly small suggestion or request I'd make of the podcast going forward is that Oskar might consider adding a track ID (hah!) of the artist's music which gets played at the start of each episode in the vid description? Not an overly important detail but good for those times when the artist is less familiar to the viewer and would like to investigate based even on that short sample.

I agree! Great selections at the start of the videos and for new listeners it'd be great to know what's playing

Enjoyed this week's episode as I enjoyed all of them since the first. Keep up the great work Oskar.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: holy ghost on January 13, 2022, 02:54:17 PM
I only got halfway through the Body Carve interview on my drive into work this morning but that story about how Guts in Red Plastic was recorded had me HOWLING. Great work!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: no_baizuo_allowed on January 13, 2022, 07:10:47 PM
Episode 7 with Will Vangorder of WORTH out now!

https://youtu.be/X8nrprR6ERs
https://youtu.be/X8nrprR6ERs
https://youtu.be/X8nrprR6ERs

I heard a rumor that Worth was once on Judge Judy? Is it true? If so, can anyone find the footage online?


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on January 17, 2022, 02:28:22 AM
Tomorrow, the interview with Kate Rissiek of RUSALKA will air at 18:00 CET. Until then, there's a new private episode of Noise On The Run out now for Patreon supporters, where I ramble about "broken" sounding harsh noise. This topic was suggested by a supporter, and I am taking questions and suggestions for future episodes from Patreon supporters. I am also starting to offer the opportunity for supporters to submit questions for me to ask my guests!

https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise
https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise
https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise

One incredibly small suggestion or request I'd make of the podcast going forward is that Oskar might consider adding a track ID (hah!) of the artist's music which gets played at the start of each episode in the vid description? Not an overly important detail but good for those times when the artist is less familiar to the viewer and would like to investigate based even on that short sample.

I agree! Great selections at the start of the videos and for new listeners it'd be great to know what's playing

Enjoyed this week's episode as I enjoyed all of them since the first. Keep up the great work Oskar.

I'll be adding a track ID into the video description from here on out, and if I find the time, I might go back and enter them in previous videos.

Episode 7 with Will Vangorder of WORTH out now!

https://youtu.be/X8nrprR6ERs
https://youtu.be/X8nrprR6ERs
https://youtu.be/X8nrprR6ERs

I heard a rumor that Worth was once on Judge Judy? Is it true? If so, can anyone find the footage online?

It is indeed true, and it used to be findable on YouTube, but I searched high and low around the time of our interview and could not find it. Will said he didn't have it and it would be a hassle to get it from the person who does, so we left it. It is a top notch noise relic though, so I hope it resurfaces someday.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on January 17, 2022, 07:47:57 PM
Episode 12 with Kate Rissiek of RUSALKA out now!

https://youtu.be/tBTS2cjOv8I
https://youtu.be/tBTS2cjOv8I
https://youtu.be/tBTS2cjOv8I


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Soloman Tump on January 18, 2022, 12:34:43 AM
I am so far behind on these podcasts.  I applaud your quick fire turnaround.

Definitely going to listen to WORTH and RUSALKA (at some point)


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on January 18, 2022, 06:10:41 PM
Episode 12 with Kate Rissiek of RUSALKA out now!

https://youtu.be/tBTS2cjOv8I
https://youtu.be/tBTS2cjOv8I
https://youtu.be/tBTS2cjOv8I

Good interview. Never seen Rusalka live. Once took a bus ride, about 600km one way, to north of Finland, just to find out gig was cancelled, haha.. Well, there was other things happening, so no problem.

There was a bit talk about Hydrophones. They may seems odd for those who never thought or heard of them, but are very common and cheap microphones. I have seen at least SMALL CRUEL PARTY use them in live sets, where he would use it for recording little stones under water, test tubes with bubbles and whatever. I think regular contact mic works, when it is waterproof.

The real deal:

https://ambient.de/en/product/asf-2-mkii-hydrophone/




Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on January 24, 2022, 10:02:15 PM
Episode 13 with Vilho Koivisto of APRAPAT and THE NEW BOYFRIENDS out now!

https://youtu.be/6ucQGIEUVfI
https://youtu.be/6ucQGIEUVfI
https://youtu.be/6ucQGIEUVfI


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on January 24, 2022, 10:15:47 PM
I was just about to link it..
Good episode, once again!

There is some talk in it, how big currently blossoming noise could be or how long, below things calm down. I don't think darker visuals or topics have much to do with it (as to enjoy noise may require mentality that you can check things fairly open mindedly), but overall impression I have, is that noise has never really tested its potential. All former era when noise "boomed", was kind of pre-internet, or pre-social media. Pre-streaming services. And so on. It had very limited means of reaching people. Especially for smaller labels or artists.

This could be first time in history, that there are pretty easy access (and affordable) platforms, means of communication, distribution and so on. One certainly battles of peoples attention. But theretically, there is entirely different level of possibilities to expand reach of noise, and one can't really estimate how far it can go. The new guy hearing noise first time today, may be the one sparking up local scene somewhere where it didn't exist.

I have often mentioned to new labels or artists, that why stop at 50 tapes, if you can move 100. If you can move 100, why not next time 150? Eventually, when bunch of people got enough, and the bigger hunger is over, it is vastly better to lose half of your thousand followers, than half of you 20 followers... heh... I don't think it is about trying to become popular, or successful, but creation of foundations where this artform could perhaps go further. In way or another.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on February 01, 2022, 12:48:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jwuF1Ty_ZE

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Nice chat with good friend and Canadian harsh noise veteran Nick Wainwright of TASKMASTER on his background and thoughts on a number of issues.


Really funny story of Swedish power electronics guy in Yale!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: W.K. on February 05, 2022, 02:43:15 PM
Good talk with Koufar, I like his synthesizer sounds but what usually fails for me are his vocals. Would love to hear an instrumental album from him (or something without shouting). Nice to hear someone with different vision and approach.

Also don't be afraid to go all out on gear talk :D esp. with synthesizers and modulars, good stuff.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on February 07, 2022, 07:22:16 PM
New episode with Taylor Geddes of SCREAM & WRITHE, ABSURD EXPOSITION and PRIMITIVE ISOLATION TACTICS out now!!!

https://youtu.be/EC_Ne1TRFRI
https://youtu.be/EC_Ne1TRFRI
https://youtu.be/EC_Ne1TRFRI


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on February 08, 2022, 09:58:13 AM
I don't know how interesting the "noise biz" are for listeners in general, but perhaps in noise where most people are somehow selling or trading their stuff, it is quite interesting topic. For me certainly is interesting. What I generally have observed, most people tend to assume that other people sell more, and they don't. Or expect that stuff should just fly out of shelves. When talking of numbers, I guess in episode wasn't talked about exact numbers. I would assume vast majority of noise falls between 50-300? To press 500 these days requires more trust to demand. In any format, I guess? Doing 1000 copies of noise/PE release, that probably indicates its unlikely there would be so many bands or labels selling more? I would be curious to hear the numbers if someone is actually pressing more than 500 copies of album in 2020->

I think more distros would not hurt a bit. I think there is HUGE wasted potential noise crowd, who would buy stuff, if these is "local" supply, by dealer who they like to buy from. Anyone can probably remember recent case from their own, where looking at announcement of release, thinking "I'd buy that if it was available here".

Even as simple as listening Jason Crumer episode from WCN podcast, and I was thinking I should get these new JC albums. But ordering single album from american label? Not going to happen. If it was available from some Finnish dealer (say, Kaos Kontrol, Satatuhatta,..), I could buy it. So question is not so much about if album is good, does one want it, but where it can be bought and what it might cost. Fact is, that most people don't have the luxury of "I'll pay what it costs" -attitude. As there is no shortage of good noise, you just buy something else.

That album is available somewhere, is not "distribution". It is just centralized sale. Distribution, by definition, would be shared out among a group or spread over an area. To enable scene, that there could be almost random guy, who'll be browsing distro table at noise gig and grab something. Or quite small social circles, when someone can say to 5 friends that I got bunch of these phenomenal noise CDs, you want some? Not even needing to do writeup's, just tell to friend you know this is right up your alley. Perhaps even record stores having it on shelves so guys who don't even know what they are looking after, might grab it. I do not think abundance of distributors necessarily compete with eachother. They do in platforms like discogs. But if you have your own network, that is actively communicated with, I am confident, that one doesn't have to compete about same international die-hard collectors, but enable entirely new local noise crowd to emerge.  I'm 100% sure, most guys would grab bunch of noise tapes for 7 euros, on monthly basis, even if they have been formerly firmly opposed to buying them. If that meant... 20-30usd ppd a pop from overseas? I am confused, if someone would live in country, bigger than Finland (5 million people, entire country) and claim there absolute doesn't exist 5 guys willing to pay for great noise album?

I know this episode was recorded before Scream & Writhe opened his noise forum, so there is no talk about it. I'm sure most have heard by now, but if not, there is new noise forum opened, More smartphone friendly and pic upload possibility:
https://www.screamandwrithe.com/forum/index.php

Like with distribution, I feel more is better. Having handful of forums is good. Usually there is specific spirit or leaning and there emerges new users perhaps even new crowd who don't feel other forums are their taste for whatever reason. If momentum is there, good things can happen. Forum already now has starting discussions where would be plenty of substance to contribute. Excellent decision to start taking back noise from platforms of multination social media companies.


(I do not want to make SI more mobile-friendly, nor more picture oriented. Quite opposite. I prefer conditions what force people out of social media type climate. Also, the 90's style everything goes attitude: Incel brutes, funny hat experimentalists and HN t-shirt crowd all together, able to get along in somewhat same scene)



Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: absurdexposition on February 08, 2022, 05:36:58 PM
I think more distros would not hurt a bit. I think there is HUGE wasted potential noise crowd, who would buy stuff, if these is "local" supply, by dealer who they like to buy from. Anyone can probably remember recent case from their own, where looking at announcement of release, thinking "I'd buy that if it was available here".

I would agree. I think maybe my comments were a bit contradictory in the sense that I was trying to talk about a distro's potential importance in helping foster a local scene at the same time as trying to say why I think there should be less to some degree. I think I cleared it up a bit later in the interview, but when speaking of less I was referring to regions that might have a several very similar distros (specifically the US where it costs the same to ship anywhere within the country) and when all the copies of a short-run release get sent to these places*, what does that really mean if it's all kept within the same "market"? I think that is less of an issue these days as there are less distros in the US but even for example I was surprised when, almost immediately after the interview was recorded a few weeks ago, another Finnish label wrote me for a trade and ended up taking a fair amount of stuff. The surprise came from the fact that Freak Animal and Satatuhatta already have copies of these releases readily on hand, so I was wrongly convinced that the region had been "covered". That definitely shone some light and if the interview had been recorded after that exchange my answer probably would have changed to reflect that new insight.

*The other counter to that then is, yes, if 50-100 copies are selling out quickly and getting eaten up by distros - why not make more? I do think more everything is probably the right answer.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on February 09, 2022, 08:30:29 AM
I think that is less of an issue these days as there are less distros in the US but even for example I was surprised when, almost immediately after the interview was recorded a few weeks ago, another Finnish label wrote me for a trade and ended up taking a fair amount of stuff. The surprise came from the fact that Freak Animal and Satatuhatta already have copies of these releases readily on hand, so I was wrongly convinced that the region had been "covered". That definitely shone some light and if the interview had been recorded after that exchange my answer probably would have changed to reflect that new insight.

That's the reason I'd hope there would be more zines and podcasts and whatever. It is slightly unfortunate, that if artists (or whoever) will have basically one time chance to do interview. And it never comes out quite as you'd hope, hah.. Even if there are countless who have had no chance to speak anywhere, it feels as if it would good that zines and podcast start to return to things. Catch up with former guests etc. It is unfortunate that so much artists made so good releases, changed style, methods, etc, and could have things to talk about, but existing interviews are even decade(s) old...


I think what comes to Finland, or USA, I would say it is after all, besides regional,... hmm... cultural/social what dictates reach of distro? Noise being unusually strange case, since it can be approach from so many angels. Some could buy it from indie distro, some from metal distro, some from punk distro, some from jazz distro, but always guys who can't stand the... other side of noise. Or would never visit distributor who is biased to other kind of noise than they prefer. At least that is my assumption? Even in case of PURE NOISE distro, I'm sure you'll find enough people to describe you problem why they can't buy tape from X, but like to buy it from Y...  If Y doesn't have it, they'll pass. If as a label or band, one get over some lame community syndromes, then it can be good for the scene/artform as a whole.




Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on February 14, 2022, 07:33:02 PM
No interview with this week, but there's an episode of NOISE ON THE RUN out now for Patron supporters. In this installment, I'm answering all the questions submitted over the past couple weeks while on the run from the man. Starts out at Granny's in Poland, ends up home in bed with Covid. Thanks for your support!

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Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on February 21, 2022, 08:38:50 PM
Episode 16 with Matt Boettke and Justin Lakes of DEAD GODS (SCANT / SHREDDED NERVE) out now!
https://youtu.be/lBzpwIN9YcE
https://youtu.be/lBzpwIN9YcE
https://youtu.be/lBzpwIN9YcE


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on February 21, 2022, 09:39:08 PM
Perhaps oddest moment, when I started to think about it, was when Scant mentioned he used to have this ”rule” of… Just using 3 channels in mixer? I guess I heard it right? It seemed so odd number. I get someone wanting to stay mono. I get the idea of just recording stereo. I get idea of using 4-tracker. I get idea of someone concluding that now that we no longer need to rely on 4-trackers, 5+ as many as you need is great.. 1, 2, 4, 5+ all makes sense. 3 channels… really odd! Haha… No problem with that, just never heard anyone set on that consciously.

And most definitely, all the talk on pushing noise to next level, to enable it grow is good. Even when it isn’t really your cup of tea.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Strangecross on February 22, 2022, 04:07:27 AM
I missed Justin say this about 3 channels, but i must say i completely agree with this sort of idea.
It seems no matter what you use, you are always short one channel, always held back in some way where if you had just one more way of doing something...
thusly i understand why you may want to limit yourself to maximize yourself as well.
must be a totally different approach from stereo or multi tracking, so makes since to me because i never consider this-
just a cluster fuck and seeing what works and different carbonatations and ALWAYS short one HOLE.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Soloman Tump on February 28, 2022, 12:42:36 PM
My mixer has 3 channels and I have got used to working that way.  Sometimes self imposed restrictions are useful. Agree its slightly strange that hes never explored using more though, but I guess thats his USP


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on February 28, 2022, 07:20:12 PM
Episode 17 featuring Grant Richardson of GNAWED and HEX AUDIO LABS out now!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88dKpCBAvYc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88dKpCBAvYc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88dKpCBAvYc


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on March 05, 2022, 08:45:25 AM
Good one again. I would say that there is lots of good points in what Grant talks about clipping noise CD's. Intersample clipping.

Listening is of course gear related too. What I have been told, older CD players generally were requiring more headroom.
Also, very much mastering & studio engineering focused friend concluded that that distortion is also easy to detect on lower listening volumes. When there is in many players thin layer or digital clipping on top, but music is not loud enough to hide it.

It would be good to observe, how does it affect listener set up, that master is so loud, that you can't really crank up volume - I got the feeling that the volume coming from loudest possible master with lower amp volume is a bit different, than slightly more quiet CD with ability to crank up volume in amp? Of course depending on set-up one has.

https://www.productionmusiclive.com/blogs/news/mastering-tip-what-are-inter-sample-peaks-why-they-matter

One can find plenty of articles where it is explained how your perfect 0dB maximum volume WAV file may sound shitty after compression, that it would have been sounding perfect it it was just notch more quiet...


Anyways, it is nice if there is affordable mastering guy who understands noise, trying to fix the.. hehe problem what many others would not probably "get". I also smiled in moment when Oskar wonders how the hell Grant manages to do so much, and he has good explanation: No games, no movies. 
I am quite often surprised when people say they have been so busy, that nothing has gotten done, and then it comes clear that all their free time been spent on playing x-box and watching seemingly endless tv-series. Yep.. well, it's often choices we make. Some have work, families, all sorts of commitments what leave less so called free time, yet getting things done barely needs magic tricks..


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on March 07, 2022, 12:40:05 PM
Unfortunately due to an infuriating technical defect with the recording platform I've been using, this week's interview with Sam McKinlay of THE RITA has to be postponed. I'll have it out as soon as I can, but for now there's no new episode this week.

If you've been watching/listening but are not yet supporting, now would be a great time to hop on for a few € per month. There are private episodes of Noise On The Run, lots of essential and exclusive noise content like the footage of the Amplified Humans Festival 2xDVD, as well as discounts offered at WCN Mailorder. Your support is extremely appreciated at this time.

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Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on March 14, 2022, 08:21:31 PM
Episode 18 out now - Live at CRUDE TRANSMISSIONS FESTIVAL in Leiden, NL, featuring MOOZZHEAD, VINCENT DALLAS, SISTO ROSSI, MISERE, URALL, and WINCE

https://youtu.be/jL1os_SMkMo
https://youtu.be/jL1os_SMkMo
https://youtu.be/jL1os_SMkMo


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on March 16, 2022, 09:00:39 AM
It's good format. Normally I do not actually watch any of these podcast, more than few minutes. Rest is having the phone in my pocket and earplugs and walking outside. This one, is so compact, that you got to watch. Even the live sets, most are not that much of "action", more about working with pedals, but nice combination of good sound-board audio + the video and compact duration of sets.
There isn't so much possibilities how deep one can go into artists work in 5 mins of catching up, but it is decent introduction for who-you-are-what-you-do type of intro before gig hits in. Certainly good way to start expanding podcast into.... Noise TV, haha..
Next thing, noise cribs and visits to studio where bands craft their album,...


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Born F. Mental on March 16, 2022, 12:20:56 PM
NTV Cribs...put that behind a paywall and you`ll be swimming in it


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Soloman Tump on March 16, 2022, 10:35:12 PM
Great episode, really enjoyed all of the chats and the Vincent Dallas set sounded solid.  Certainly seemed to get a good audience reaction.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on March 16, 2022, 11:39:33 PM
Next thing, noise cribs and visits to studio where bands craft their album,...


I'd so be into that


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Balor/SS1535 on March 17, 2022, 12:46:33 AM
Next thing, noise cribs and visits to studio where bands craft their album,...


I'd so be into that

Makes me think of a picture that Chaos Cascade (?) posted online of his set-up in what looked like his apartment living room, which included a stolen shopping cart.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on March 17, 2022, 12:54:12 AM
NOISE TV is definitely the goal. It's been surprisingly hard to get folks to submit content along the lines of video/multimedia. If anyone has any interest in submitting something or suggestions, feel free to get in touch.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on March 17, 2022, 07:54:33 AM
One easy content suggestion.

I am normally, pretty much 100% uninterested in "unboxing videos".
In context of noise, if there was someone to make videos of... lets say MSBR lathe 7"s or such. Perhaps Death Squad tapes, or something similar noise special packaging, which don't really come out ideally from photos, I would probably change my mind about unboxing videos, haha! I was just selling my duplicate copy of Hands To double LP on Petri Supply, and opening both copies I had, just to make sure I keep the.. better. What a horrible moment, having to figure out which one would have to go. Same album. Theoretically same covers... but not! As soon as you start actually opening it, going through prints, textures, colors and all that. It really makes you want to keep both. Just knowing there there must be multiple other great versions, so you do not really need it. However, if someone would make video of what their Petri Supply handmade packages look like, with perhaps playing little noise on background, I'd consider it worth of 5 mins in in some sort of NoiseTV episode. I'd take look on any G.R.O.S.S., old Tesco, Taint Entertainment, Slogun, etc. All it needs is guy who knows what kind of lights to use and what angle will make you see the goodies you're never going to find...  This is far more interesting "unboxing" that all those new mass products people seem to unbox.


(Only limitations of platform is a bit sucky. If you can't unbox Smell & Quim / Macronympha 7", you know platform ain't ideal for noise. In recent weeks even stuff like MO*TE CD box video trailer was considered adults only. Formerly one was used to situation where picture of antique statue/sculpture is enough to be too pornographic or violent, but now its been videos where is literally zero about of disagreable content.)


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on March 21, 2022, 07:16:34 PM
Out now! Episode 19 with Sam McKinlay of THE RITA!

https://youtu.be/aD8FkfQ-7Jg
https://youtu.be/aD8FkfQ-7Jg
https://youtu.be/aD8FkfQ-7Jg


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on March 22, 2022, 10:40:51 AM
Absolute excellent episode! Of course, one can't expect that everybody would be so casual, ready to talk in absolute detail, and also funny. I'd suppose for most it is slightly challenging situation to be in front of webcam, sweating while thing what the hell should be said, what wouldn't be just.. trivial. Mr. McKinlay certainly is the key harsh noise masters of our times, for pushing things into formerly unheard level of fanaticism for the detail.

It is quite rare case that some could articulate both the funny stories, but that intent of focusing on detail. I have certain tastes and approaches that are vastly different and certain level of stubbornness, but there are so many moments, when despite different methods and ways, I find myself thinking he is absolutely right!

It is really funny, how the keep industrial out of harsh noise was so controversial. Maybe it was more in the social media than anywhere else? I recall Harsh Truths attempted to turn it to some kind of statement against harmful ideologies in industrial. I didn't think that was at all the case, nor I thought there is anything offensive in the statement at all. Now that Sam explained his position, I can fully agree what he is saying. haha.

While I talk frequently of industrial-noise, I never really associate it with that industrial they are talking about. That industrial music, with the bounding "techno beats".. it's quite different of what I mean with industrial-noise, that is most of all kind of cultural milieu.

Where as noise can be, almost whatever. From fine arts, jazz, punk, metal, indie-rock, techno, and so on, you push to certain direction and eventually you might be reaching borders of expression that is noise.

Industrial had plenty of influence of avantgarde art, often crossing over to performance, installation, mail-art, video-art, and whatever. Often challenging what is norm or accepted in wider society. I suppose no need to describe what all fell under industrial movement. If something is industrial-noise, I would be pretty damn sure one can file Mauthausen Orchestra or Atrax Morgue, Dead Body Love and such under such term. They are clearly something else than free jazz going real nasty. Something else than couple punks that rejected guitars, and kept the amps and distortion pedals to make energetic loud noise. Mentioned bands fall into lineage, where many of elements are found (even if not exclusively) from industrial. Sure, they have nothing really in common with the industrial-rock or industrial-metal. They may not have beats or music or fill many other expected qualities. Yet still, I would be surprised if someone would see that these bands do not come from the tradition of TG, Come Org, Broken Flag...  but step by step taking it further and further away into... industrial-noise.  Anyways, when Sam says it was most of all for being annoyed of false advertising, I certainly get it 100%. Grabbing the praised harsh noise tape or live gig, and finding out it wasn't noise at all, but dance music with some distortion.
 

Some of the greatest things on podcast is the detailed explanation of the ballet theme that dominates The Rita works for years. Some weeks ago I wrote that piece combining The Rita and Rober Longo into "book + noise combo review" type of thing. Longo often uses these iconic images, but there is usually study of power and violence behind the seemingly clean images. When one tends to see clean and neat images of ballet in The Rita, there is quite a contrast when hearing Sam describe about the dark history of ballet, how that is big part of the obsession in there. It sets whole thing to a new level. Certainly recommended to listen this episode to get what he does. When it has suddenly clear links of human trafficking, brothels, objectification of women, control and abuse to quite brutal level.  The story how it all started with sudden revelation and quickly being totally immersive theme, where one can't really see that there would be need to do anything else than that.

It's more than 2 hours, but feels like... could have been more!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: NerveGas on March 22, 2022, 11:16:13 PM
Much to digest with this episode, and so many potential comments. First of all, one of the best episodes yet. I agree that even with the 2+ hour run time I could have easily listened to even more! This honestly feels like a companion piece to the Tights Worship documentary. If anyone has not seen that then I highly recommend checking it out. A lot of insight into the process of creating releases is given with footage of nylon stocking/contact mic sessions, sound sourcing, choreography, ballet ephemera, etc.

I am admittedly more of a fan of his early works like Sea Wolf Leviathan and Thousands of Dead Gods, but the absolute fanaticism of the ballet era is undeniable. Even newer releases that I do not find as sonically appealing due to the ultra detailed examination  of crackle and certain tones are fascinating in their overall scope and vision. It is hard to say anything that hasn’t already been said about The Rita, but even those who may not be fans of his particular brand of noise have to appreciate the utterly insane dedication and immersion in the concepts he explores.

Also I chuckled a bit as he lists so many industrial releases after the talk of the “KEEP INDUSTRIAL OUT OF HARSH NOISE” campaign. I understand the point he was making, of course. Also his defense of sub-genres is certainly food for thought. I have always thought that endless reduction into sub-sub-sub genres was embarrassing, but he makes a good point here! Perhaps after all it is simply the product of obsessive listening and one’s attempts to distill their interests into the most reduced state to produce the most satisfaction. I think where his “subgenre-fication” differs from most is that it’s actually a product of intention. The manifestos, hard rules, deep analysis of the walls of noise. Most micro genres are just the product of too much time spent on the internet by my estimation. If they were all to be developed by the aforementioned methods, perhaps they would have more weight.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on March 23, 2022, 08:07:00 AM
Also I chuckled a bit as he lists so many industrial releases after the talk of the “KEEP INDUSTRIAL OUT OF HARSH NOISE” campaign.

Yeah, and so did Oskar, haha. To me it seemed sort of expected, since Sam has always praised these artists/albums.

There is moment when they talk about noise, that is sort of unrecognizable. Idea being that should/could one remember the patterns of noise release. Listening enough of something, and you just might learn how it goes. For me, noise that is memorable, is good thing. I was talking with one friend who said that he was listening so much was it the 2000's album of Cazzodio, for some reason being among his favorite albums. Then giving it decade rest, and returning to album, but concluding that it just wasn't the same anymore, when you would know everything before it happened. Of course Cazzodio has more structure, composition, sheer musicality than pure noise. Anyways, he'd know each time what will come next. Every crashing metal percussion or rhythm loop burned in brain. So, he said, as great as it is, it no longer works out when there is no more surprises. Of course cd is keeper, but unlikely to hit the player frequently.
I got friend who said, he doesn't need to listen SLAYER anymore. Every classic Slayer album he can run in his brain, knowning how it goes. Instead greatest thrash albums, he'd listen something less good, hehe, as the good things are already immortalized in the brain and can not provide new impact.

What Sam is talking, that ideal would not be not to remember or memorize the album structure, but opposite. Be able to experience it repeatedly. It would be ideal that album can provide always the surprises. Sudden ruptures, gaps, snaps and such. It is nice perspective to noise. I recall when Lasse Marhaug said that there has been incidents like when radio played his noise, and he realised it was his work only after DJ mentioned what record it was. I'm quite sure I would recognize my own works from relatively small fragment, but it is also interesting point that do you have to? Does the noise, or HNW be identifiable and for what reasons? If it should be identifiable, does it apply to any situation, or is this kind of wrong way to approach it, when the usage of piece may not be meant to be some random background muzak coming from anonymous stream, but comprehensive piece, that includes physical object, artwork, liner-notes, perhaps even act of consciously purchasing it... and then the XX minutes of sort of anonymous unrecognizable crackling crusty sound that comes with all previously mentioned? It may be that material is not about "catchy song", but situation that one needs to submit for conscious and devoted listening.



(Like I noticed one Grunt "Hehku" track was in youtube. I do not put the advance tracks nor album online, as my intention was hoping that this would be only listened from CD, with the artwork. Sound also adjusted in ways that it works best on stand alone CD in its entirety, not meant to be on mixed playlist of as-loud-as-possible types of noise mastering. Stand alone CD would make listener to adjust volume desires to this piece in particular what will make it work better. It works fine, but not as intended when it was finalized)


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Baglady on March 23, 2022, 10:42:46 AM
should/could one remember the patterns of noise release. Listening enough of something, and you just might learn how it goes.
A few years ago someone, who shall be left me unnamed here, tried to pull my leg. I got what seemed to be the usual email to Team Boro, "Hey man, love your label, here's a soundcloud link, maybe you could..." yadayada. I guess I was just bored so for once I actually pressed the link. Fuck, this sounds really good! What are the odds!" Listened again. "Waaaait a minute, somethings familiar here..." Listened again. Yep. Treriksröset's Heteronormativ Musik... played in reverse. I sent the thing to Tommy who was amused and puzzled, as I recall it. The guy who sent the thing replied to me that he didn't mean to offend with his little prank. Just test how trained the noise listeners (mine in this case) ears were, and how much attention noise heads actually pay.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: NerveGas on March 23, 2022, 04:58:30 PM
Also I chuckled a bit as he lists so many industrial releases after the talk of the “KEEP INDUSTRIAL OUT OF HARSH NOISE” campaign.

Yeah, and so did Oskar, haha. To me it seemed sort of expected, since Sam has always praised these artists/albums.


Oh yeah of course. No surprise necessarily. It makes perfect sense too. Whether directly or in some abstract sense, it’s very easy to see how power electronics or industrial would be appealing medium given his interests sonically and thematically. And his appreciation for such acts has always been worn on his sleeve. As he said “KEEP INDUSTRIAL OUT OF HARSH NOISE” does not mean “everyone who listens to industrial is an idiot” haha!

Also I am not tapped into social media “scene” so I am unaware of anything regarding the statement or it’s various interpretations by others. To me it was just the Treriksröset split cover art which I thought was great!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Zeno Marx on March 24, 2022, 04:29:26 PM
Love the skate talk.  Loved the Vancouver history lesson.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: HateSermon on March 25, 2022, 12:18:37 AM
Love the skate talk.

Same here. I had no idea Sam worked for Skull Skates. Or Barrier Kult. But looking at the graphic design of those brands really makes sense now as far as design choices and whatnot. This is probably my favorite WCN interview so far. Also really dug his top 5 contemporary noise projects…


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on March 25, 2022, 12:56:56 AM
Really glad to hear everyone has been enjoying the podcast, haven't had time to chime in on much here, but I read everything and appreciate the comments. The interview with Sam turned out particularly good. The numbers are going crazy too - over 1600 views in 3 days.

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Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on March 26, 2022, 04:56:46 PM
Industrial: "non-academic weird ass music, for a given value of weird ass"


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on March 26, 2022, 08:13:58 PM
New episode of Noise On The Run is out now:

"Talking Shit, or An Attempt To Address Underground Ethics"

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Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on March 27, 2022, 08:22:23 AM
"Talking Shit, or An Attempt To Address Underground Ethics"

Interesting shit talk, especially the first bit about the touring band sandwich. Maybe I've been in Japan too long, but it now feels natural to me that the headliner, invariably the out-of-towner, play last. (Masonna a definite exception!) Part of this tendency may be supported by the way shows are run, ie like clockwork, but I've never questioned it. Though I do recall once, years ago, when an audience member, possibly from Switzerland or France(?), rolled eyes at me at the headliner policy. I honestly didn't get what he was on about- isn't that how it's always done? (Well, I guess I do now, so apologies Swiss or French guy, if I appeared confused!)

I understood from the shit talk that the issue was (at least partly) about playing to an audience of fickle willingness to stick around. I've definitely seen this at crossover events, like the place is packed but once Zeni Geva leaves the stage motherfuckers just clear out. (Which at least from the point of view of someone who wants to see Mikawa freaking out would have been perfectly fine with me!) But don't know that I've ever really seen much of that at a proper noise show. Which I'd assumed was because motherfuckers were there for the headliner.

Would then be curious if there were other sorts of region-specific policies on line-ups, as I'm not sure the subject has ever been discussed.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Johann on March 27, 2022, 09:29:04 PM
"Talking Shit, or An Attempt To Address Underground Ethics"

Interesting shit talk, especially the first bit about the touring band sandwich. Maybe I've been in Japan too long, but it now feels natural to me that the headliner, invariably the out-of-towner, play last. (Masonna a definite exception!) Part of this tendency may be supported by the way shows are run, ie like clockwork, but I've never questioned it. Though I do recall once, years ago, when an audience member, possibly from Switzerland or France(?), rolled eyes at me at the headliner policy. I honestly didn't get what he was on about- isn't that how it's always done? (Well, I guess I do now, so apologies Swiss or French guy, if I appeared confused!)

I understood from the shit talk that the issue was (at least partly) about playing to an audience of fickle willingness to stick around. I've definitely seen this at crossover events, like the place is packed but once Zeni Geva leaves the stage motherfuckers just clear out. (Which at least from the point of view of someone who wants to see Mikawa freaking out would have been perfectly fine with me!) But don't know that I've ever really seen much of that at a proper noise show. Which I'd assumed was because motherfuckers were there for the headliner.

Would then be curious if there were other sorts of region-specific policies on line-ups, as I'm not sure the subject has ever been discussed.

The idea of the headliner playing last has always seemed to be how it was in Michigan, outside of the exception that the local act drew more crowd than the touring act which might prompt them to play last in order to get more people to stay for the headliner. For a while in the mid 2000s when everything was very much on "punk time/Party time" it might be whoever was there played in that order, varying degrees of fucked up. And eventually devolved out of "cool kids" in the scene into some other bullshit hipster party that caused me to stop going to shows really, folks with rich parents and warehouses.

To me this was always the way it was done, though a good friend who puts on the bulk of the shows (which were always more on time) that I continue to go to (post corona are there even shows anymore?) would usually structure it:

Music style groups
Noise but not like harsh (or really harsh)
Headliner
Harshest of the harsh

So a "headliner" might play and then other people could get out before someone like Skin Graft did his set. Which is fine, like you mentioned with Mikawa. I remember seeing Caroliner play at a first Saturday at a museum back in 2008, place was packed full of hipsters and art folks. the other groups on the bill just got pushed out, never ended up playing. But Caroliner started playing and suddenly there were only like 25 or 30 people left of the 500+ or so that had been there, much better evening instantly. But the mixed bill seems like a model that works well and allowed for more time to sneak out back and talk shit durning the sets you cared less about, catch up with folks and I think due to the variation in styles brought a bit more cash at the end of the night to whoever was touring.

I haven't seen or heard of many all noise bills in a while unless its like a "fest" or "anniversary" style. I'm sure it happens but I've aged out and don't interact with the same people, plus the troniks forum was really essential for finding house shows/what was happening in the region etc, which is probably now all social media related business. I wonder if this is indicative of the larger National/International scene?


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on March 28, 2022, 06:44:22 PM
Episode 20 out now featuring Roman Leyva of SLIT THROATS, PLAGUE MOTHER and HARH TRUTHS podcast!

https://youtu.be/fNxoWss67b8
https://youtu.be/fNxoWss67b8
https://youtu.be/fNxoWss67b8


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on March 29, 2022, 06:58:37 AM
I remember seeing Caroliner play at a first Saturday at a museum back in 2008, place was packed full of hipsters and art folks. the other groups on the bill just got pushed out, never ended up playing. But Caroliner started playing and suddenly there were only like 25 or 30 people left of the 500+ or so that had been there, much better evening instantly.

The most dramatic iteration of this I've personally born witness to was at a corporate (NTT) sponsored outdoor media-arts event. Absolutely packed, I'd estimate 3000 or more, couldn't get anywhere near the action. Merzbow comes on and suddenly I'm walking against a stream of people beelining in the opposite direction. Remember standing right in front of a massive speaker stack, the body literally shaking with the intense sound pressure, sharing the space with literally one or two other dudes, one of whom I recognized as a regular Incaps goer.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on March 29, 2022, 06:59:51 AM
Just got through The Rita and serendipitously found-

Zone Nord -- Marche Noir/Denrees Diverses LP (private, 1983)
The word that comes to mind is ROUGH. The HNW freaks would probably dig this one a lot, with it's heavy crunchiness and delightful single-mindedness, hellbent for sonic destruction. The sound does not appear to be layered, but rather a pretty "simple" recording yet with undeniable power. Hard to find pressing of 286 copies. Why hasn't this been reissued yet?

Yeah.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on March 29, 2022, 09:08:17 AM
Episode 20 out now featuring Roman Leyva of SLIT THROATS, PLAGUE MOTHER and HARH TRUTHS podcast!

https://youtu.be/fNxoWss67b8

It's good episode again. Of course tough coming after The Rita piece, if listener will think "oh, this wasn't as good as last one".. Just like with doing zine, the challenge is often accepting that it would be impossible task of always coming with best issue. One after another. Just can't be done.

Roman mentions the long email received from me, about the remark he made about SI forum. I don't think message was unusually long, compared to what I write on forum. The feedback I write here, I sometimes forward to some artists. I recall I cut & pasted what I wrote on the forum, like I tend to comment a lot of podcast episodes and albums.

I've been told many people do not get more than thumbs up in social media and all they do kind of falls into void of silence.  So I do send some reviews or comments directly to artists or podcast makers. I did add few things that would be meant more personal, so it is not just spamming forum content on his email, hah.. But basically it is:

click link to go to old topic
+
click link to go to old topic

I did suggest to him that it would be nice, if he would just briefly explain his angle he is coming from and then make the conclusions he does. Of course we can guess it, but it feels that it would benefit podcast itself. When there was frequently return to revolve around the same, but not saying anything specific. Instead there would be long monologues vaguely trying to discuss what is problematic in community and not really saying anything specific.

After feedback, one can check episode HT 19 where he explains some basic things.

This WCN episode has a bit of that in middle. It starts good, it ends good, but somewhere in the middle, there is this odd phase of half finished sentences, pauses and sighs, remarks of all sorts of things that remain quite unclear what is attempted to be said?  This is the oddity, like quite lengthy talk related to problems in content of noise, and it goes deep enough to talk about how it is nothing new, not a problem of last 5 years, but it exists since the birth of genre. (Sort of original sin perhaps!?) But... then listener is never said what are the problematic sides of noise he is referring to? It is odd, since it would take like 5 seconds to say "because of who I am, and maybe due my hardcore background, I find it little annoying how accepted is ___, __ and ___  in noise scene". Now we basically have to guess what they are talking about.
It could be sexism, trumpist incels etc, but it may be something related to men associating with wolves, amazon prime skinheads and evola? haha. But I guess it is not easiest spot to be in front of webcam and.. explain your views in clear sentences.

In episode there are some decent talk about noise, noise scene, social capital existing in genre (although I am sure that is fairly marginal), personal relationship being shifted into kind of capitalist interaction, and so on. Some of these could have been expanded further as it would have been vastly more interesting than where clearly unable to talk about specifics.

I do agree with Oskar, that more noise podcasts would be good.  Even with more than weekly things to check out, I do hunger to hear other peoples ideas behind their work. Harsh Truths dealt with things from different angle than the others, so it certainly has a place there, if situation in world returns to possibility of face-to-face interviews.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: brutalist_tapes on March 29, 2022, 07:57:51 PM
the guy has clearly got a problem with power electronics as a genre and it seems he is on a kind of crusade against it. but it seems he is very focused on newer american power electronics, i could be wrong, but i never connected power electronics to 4chan losers who supported a neoliberal capitalist like trump, i would like to think that people into power electronics are smarter and have a more critical and nuanced view on art or life than that, but maybe it's because i'm from europe. i have no problem with "safe" communitarian/collectivist harsh noise about cute topics like japanese women or similar, but i must admit it doesn't interest me at all, but yeah, my perspective on noise and PE is obviously different, i always connected it to "dark"/"forbidden"/transgressive topics that the artist not necessarily supports himself, but "researches". well programmed synths and well placed offensive samples over contact mic in hand rumble that shouldn't pretend to be better than others "radio noises" for me any day, but to each his own. also i wonder if macronympha and skin crime gets a pass? macronympha did white music and whorechestra for example, also the picture in the pittsburgh record... skin crime did whorebutcher. also taint. are they trumpist incels in his view? i would like to know. as freak animal said, it's quite unclear who and what he is talking about, he should just name names if he really is serious about cleaning his scene or whatever (a very hardcore-ish approach indeed)


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on March 29, 2022, 08:36:22 PM
I'm not going to speak for Roman or try to unpack everything he said or you guys think he meant, but my understanding is the central thing that he and we were talking about and criticizing was not related to content or personal politics in noise/PE, but rather politics of how people involved in the "scene" or "community" or whatever you want to call it interact with each other.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on March 29, 2022, 09:19:37 PM
I'm not going to speak for Roman or try to unpack everything he said or you guys think he meant, but my understanding is the central thing that he and we were talking about and criticizing was not related to content or personal politics in noise/PE, but rather politics of how people involved in the "scene" or "community" or whatever you want to call it interact with each other.

Yes, that seemed to be big part of it, which I considered to be the interesting part of it. My comment above was describing why I send feedback to Harsh Truths back in 2020. That was meant to give details to those who may be listening now.

I don’t think there is necessity to defend himself. Like said, all in all interview WTC was very good.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: brutalist_tapes on March 29, 2022, 09:30:58 PM
maybe i was just reading too much into it after seeing the guys instagram. he's obviously a joker, so i take it with a grain of salt regardless. and of course no need to defend yourself, even though my suspicion still is he probably isn't the biggest PE fan haha, but no problem at all.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on March 31, 2022, 09:48:17 AM
how people involved in the "scene" or "community" or whatever you want to call it interact with each other.

There is something in this (what I formerly mentioned just as decent talk) what could see worthy of even making topic of its own.

Roman is talking on this episode for example about people these days saying they have brand. There is so much of talk revolving around instagram, and as I'm not in there, I have fairly limited exposure to noise on IG. His conclusion included that people are leaning towards kind of expectation of having followers? Some sort of self importance? I am not sure to what extent idea of IG influencer should be applied to noise. We certainly know, that when you read review or recommendation by guy you trust to have taste, you may try to grab things. Many times in context of UG, its not the business transaction that includes "influencer" to get slice of income. It's more like UG fanzine tradition, where you tell to others, and others will interact with someone else. That is like core of underground networking. People pointing direction to others where to find something.

What Roman describes in one of the moments in the podcast, is the "IG influencer" way, where person feels important, just for being what s/he is. And because of that, everybody should follow and buy things.

I have noticed some of it, where people do seem to have very calculated idea what must be presented. Or they use certain method, not to be involved, but kind of above the crowd? Posting adverts, not following anything. Selling things, not buying. Playing gigs, but not watching other artists play. And so on. Missing interaction, where only dialogue happens in forms of providing kind of ...cautiously managed brand?

He talks about this connecting to worries about losing customers, friends, peers, etc. if the approach is broken, by merely presenting opinion or engaging into discussion about something.

It would be curious to hear from people, who are sort of.. trapped in this? One approach is, that of course it might be simply energy saving to stay out of drama and focus on what is important (like doing good noise). But how often it is merely based on being entrapped into idea that one can't be upsetting the "potential customer" or ruining opportunities?

I mean, it doesn't take that much to criticize ugliness of noise. But how difficult it was even for Roman to bring up the issues with that one hyped label. Everybody would be watching that trainwreck and nobody could say shit because trans people and social media tends to be explosive mix and it may not be good to be one who asks couple legit questions.

Can be split into another topic if seems necessary.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: [MBD] on April 01, 2022, 03:12:47 PM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland
Can be split into another topic if seems necessary.

This would also be a great topic to go into with more depth on the podcast, it's a long and difficult topic to fully unpack.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on April 01, 2022, 03:42:54 PM
I’d like to, and will try to, ideally with a guest to discuss it with. I did a private episode of Noise On The Run recently for supporters where I scratch the surface with these topics.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on April 04, 2022, 06:37:47 PM
Episode 21 of WCN Podcast with Alex Kmet of CLIMAX DENIAL out now!

https://youtu.be/h4-6GNWh7oE
https://youtu.be/h4-6GNWh7oE
https://youtu.be/h4-6GNWh7oE


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on April 05, 2022, 10:16:40 AM
Perhaps a bit technical issue.. or the slower delivery, this one had unusual amount of both guys talking over eachother, hah. Of course it is not ruining anything, but seems like long distant calls do have few seconds delays and one isn't entirely sure if one had stopped talking or not?

Climax Denial perhaps good start to get some more "industrial" things between the harsh noise. I think he did open good possibilities for further discussion. Like when comparing what C.D. says his method is vs. what Keith / Taint & Mania has mentioned his approach being. In short, C.D. would describe his sound creation sessions being quite taxing and exhausting, as it is mentally being there. One can listen his interview to hear how he describes the session. Anyways, Keith had mentioned that in moment of sound creation, there is no anger or such emotions. Topics can be what they are, but its relation to sound is different. Alex also mentioned that its not really question that one would be better or worse, just different ways to approach.
I lean vastly stronger to direction what Keith has. I do not feel hate and anger, disgust or any sort of "dark" emotions (at least what I would consider such) in moment of creating my work. For me, noise ain't kind of catharsis or temporary emotion. It is creation based on who you are. I don't need to "get angry", to think certain ways, or "be provocative" to deal with or be interested in certain things that exists in the world. Expressions is what it is, because artist is what it is. Therefore there is no need for mood or specific state of mind. He can be just what he is. Creation may be energetic loud noise bliss, undercurrent of personality is there without necessity to present it like enactment of emotions.  Those who do it, I don't mind. Like Alex says, I think its not question which is better which is worse approach, they are just different.


I personally don't think the vile power electronics has become less dominant or less popular. It just feels that sub-genre thinking is something that will proceed further and further, and therefore people will basically see the stuff they are surrounded by. And as addition, as I mentioned many times, social media is barely place where one can push explicit content. I am not surprised that people would not be exposed to nasty PE, if their experience of genre happens via platforms where such material can't really exist and where it is swiftly cleaned away.



Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: GenitalStigmata on April 06, 2022, 08:46:29 AM
also i wonder if macronympha and skin crime gets a pass? macronympha did white music and whorechestra for example, also the picture in the pittsburgh record... skin crime did whorebutcher. also taint.

https://youtu.be/REKYfU5hTUw (https://youtu.be/REKYfU5hTUw)

I can’t speak on the others, but it’s seemingly very clear Roemer isn’t entirely what people think he is.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: brutalist_tapes on April 08, 2022, 07:37:27 PM
also i wonder if macronympha and skin crime gets a pass? macronympha did white music and whorechestra for example, also the picture in the pittsburgh record... skin crime did whorebutcher. also taint.

https://youtu.be/REKYfU5hTUw (https://youtu.be/REKYfU5hTUw)

I can’t speak on the others, but it’s seemingly very clear Roemer isn’t entirely what people think he is.

oh dude, i never thought that roemer was right wing, or skin crime or taint from that matter (keith was a libertarian i think i read..? but whatever) my point was more if it's even allowed writing/creating about certain topics anymore. wasn't slogun also attacked? he doesn't seem very right wing either. but i think i misunderstood the roman dude a bit, so nevermind.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on April 11, 2022, 05:56:41 PM
Posted this elsewhere, but taking a week or two off airing the podcast due to some health issues. Will be back in full force ASAP. In the mean time, there will be some new content on the Patreon this week.

https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise
https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise
https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on April 12, 2022, 02:54:04 PM
it’s seemingly very clear Roemer isn’t entirely what people think he is.

Not quite sure which people you are referring to.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Johann on April 18, 2022, 06:03:30 PM
it’s seemingly very clear Roemer isn’t entirely what people think he is.

Not quite sure which people you are referring to.

The younger generation (maybe including university educated, like Roman) is triggered really easily. Ambiguity in art is no longer tolerated, they want very clear boundaries; and ideologies expressed/explained in very clear and identifiable ways. At least in that part of the American Midwest. This doesn’t seem to be such a problem in European scene or Japan/Asia.

I was thinking about this over the last years, if you listen to a lot of the Harsh Truth Podcast or meet those folks (mostly from midwest) they are all “crew” kid straight edge hardcore kids and kids who listened to shitty Christian hardcore, scenes that were very much steeped in uniformity and clear social/ideological boundaries with a touch of performative “violence” or a weak posturing. The influence of which is present in the sound and approach, the same conformity to identify is conveyed in the noise which is mostly just weak walls and an attempt to express a clear political ethos.

Gone are the days where you’d have Con-Dom material being used to collaborate with both a project like Control Resistance and Militia. Kids today are taking sides and afraid to cross them, they wanna know who’s serious about what, and if they don’t know they don’t touch it. Same with all the folks afraid of listening to Current 93 or Death In June.

Inversely, I think when Roman is talking about Special-Interest and his perceived criticism of Power Electronics etc, I think he’s less talking about Taint, Macronypmha, Grunt etc and probably more about this rise of reactionary noise and PE projects that are attempting to come off as super ideologically right. Most of which I think get ignored, the New Releases section is full of dorks putting up Bandcamp links to their “degenerate/nasty/harsh” projects. No one ever even responds. Maybe it’s an access thing, in the sense there is more involvement, but there seems to be a clear lack of individuality that’s more present than even 10 years ago.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on April 18, 2022, 06:16:16 PM
Out now: AFTERBLAST Episode 1 with Erik Nystrand of CAPERS

Erik Nystrand of CAPERS, a previous guest on WCN Podcast, joins me again to expand on some the ideas he touched upon in his interview: particularly, his thoughts on noise being "isolated" from other art forms, and the general poverty of language when it comes to writing about or discussing noise.

AFTERBLAST is a new series of follow-up conversations with previous guests of the podcast. We'll expand on certain topics and explore new ones. Less a formal interview with the artist, and more lively discussions about topics close to their hearts, noise related and otherwise.

This series is part of a new project called WCN TV that will air every other week, Mondays 18:00 CET. This will consist of various unique series, such as AFTERBLAST, Noise On The Run, with more in the works.

WCN TV is available exclusively to Patreon supporters, so sign up to support and get access!
https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise

WCN Podcast, featuring in-depth artist interviews, will air every alternate week at the same time as always.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Baglady on April 18, 2022, 07:30:17 PM
It was a good talk, I think! Hope I wasn't talking too much out of my ass. I did forget to say that there's alot of good writing out there, on forums and other places. I've really enjoyed the longer articles lately published on the Special Interests website, for example. More of that, please!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: NerveGas on April 19, 2022, 06:26:00 AM
It was a good talk, I think! Hope I wasn't talking too much out of my ass. I did forget to say that there's alot of good writing out there, on forums and other places. I've really enjoyed the longer articles lately published on the Special Interests website, for example. More of that, please!

Good talk indeed. Especially the Worth talk and descriptions of evocative noise. Have always thought Worth’s sound could be likened to being trapped in some bizarre malfunctioning mechanical maze, so the video game interpretation made perfect sense. Listened to Blinder LP yesterday, so it was fresh in my mind. The video game terms are not what I would have necessarily arrived at, but that’s why I enjoy hearing other’s thoughts on this type of thing that move a little further past the “crunch” or “ripping” style of descriptions. I think there is a place for simple descriptions of brutal noise, and I don’t need everything to viewed on an analytical level. But if noise is evocative to the listener, I am happy to hear what deeper thoughts it inspires.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on April 25, 2022, 06:15:59 PM
Out now! Episode 22 with Romain Perrot of VOMIR!

https://youtu.be/21mfUwydZz4
https://youtu.be/21mfUwydZz4
https://youtu.be/21mfUwydZz4


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on April 25, 2022, 08:09:38 PM
Really good one. Among best episodes so far. I like the french way of talking about arsch noise!
I doubt I have been really hateful against Vomir, but perhaps sometimes at least realist about how many of his releases I need to own. He describes quite well the old situation, where it didn’t really matter if releases were fairly similar, as nobody was likely to get a lot of very limited and badly distributed releases. It is perhaps more contemporary ”problem” that similarity of releases is even necessary to discuss. Well, not necessary, but it can be question in someone head when thinking that there is access to way way larger amount of material that you could ever have time to listen to. As opposed to old times, when you had access to fairly limited amount of items.

I can also relate to his enthusiasm on Japanese noise-for-sake-of-noise approach. In my own case, 93-94 was kind of ”political” if one wants to look at them that way. Then 95-96 with influence of Japanese noise, most work was abstract, bizarre, oddities… until from 1997 it was just situation that it seemed obvious that trying to avoid themes and topics, artwork and expressions that was not good. When certain things were always matter of interest outside the noise, it felt odd they would be excluded from expression.
I feel that there is quite good situation in noise and PE, that while Vomir mentions there is nothing he is saying in the noise, I think even noise that does say something, can be ignored or used any way listener wishes. Most what could appear dark or vile, can be experienced just energetic and uplifting. What ever words are being said, barely reduces listener to passive receiver of indoctrination, but they may feel wide variety of things. Just like the thoughts that emerge from pure abstract noise.

Recommended episode!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Thermophile on April 27, 2022, 12:53:46 AM
it’s seemingly very clear Roemer isn’t entirely what people think he is.

Not quite sure which people you are referring to.

The younger generation (maybe including university educated, like Roman) is triggered really easily. Ambiguity in art is no longer tolerated, they want very clear boundaries; and ideologies expressed/explained in very clear and identifiable ways. At least in that part of the American Midwest. This doesn’t seem to be such a problem in European scene or Japan/Asia.

I was thinking about this over the last years, if you listen to a lot of the Harsh Truth Podcast or meet those folks (mostly from midwest) they are all “crew” kid straight edge hardcore kids and kids who listened to shitty Christian hardcore, scenes that were very much steeped in uniformity and clear social/ideological boundaries with a touch of performative “violence” or a weak posturing. The influence of which is present in the sound and approach, the same conformity to identify is conveyed in the noise which is mostly just weak walls and an attempt to express a clear political ethos.

Gone are the days where you’d have Con-Dom material being used to collaborate with both a project like Control Resistance and Militia. Kids today are taking sides and afraid to cross them, they wanna know who’s serious about what, and if they don’t know they don’t touch it. Same with all the folks afraid of listening to Current 93 or Death In June.

Inversely, I think when Roman is talking about Special-Interest and his perceived criticism of Power Electronics etc, I think he’s less talking about Taint, Macronypmha, Grunt etc and probably more about this rise of reactionary noise and PE projects that are attempting to come off as super ideologically right. Most of which I think get ignored, the New Releases section is full of dorks putting up Bandcamp links to their “degenerate/nasty/harsh” projects. No one ever even responds. Maybe it’s an access thing, in the sense there is more involvement, but there seems to be a clear lack of individuality that’s more present than even 10 years ago.

This seems to echo what Vivenza was saying in one of his interviews that a large part of industrial/noise/japanoise seems to be rooted into pop/rock/punk/metal etc culture. He called the artefacts "weak" and artists relying on cheap antics instead of taking further "noise" as conceptualised by Luigi Russolo.


As a matter of fact the genre and related genres have done their cycle by late the 90's. Nothing new under the sun. Even the HNW, you can find traces of it in old Incapacitants records from the 80's such as "Repo".
All we who are involved in the scene by making effort to create and release new music under "Noise" or "Industrial" are in preservation mode. Just keeping the tradition going on. The evolution is minuscule.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: morbid_dyspepsia on April 27, 2022, 09:30:49 AM
Romain says new age ambience suggests that the listener must think of happiness, beauty and love. I think for a lot of people harsh noise wall can put the listener into more of a negative headspace. Even though he is not telling you to think that.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Johann on April 27, 2022, 02:33:08 PM
Romain says new age ambience suggests that the listener must think of happiness, beauty and love. I think for a lot of people harsh noise wall can put the listener into more of a negative headspace. Even though he is not telling you to think that.

A listener imparts their own experience and emotional baggage on what they listen to. In doing so a listener may come to associate certain sounds/albums with certain emotional states/moods; ever not been able to listen to albums after a breakup? They probably weren’t the noise records though haha.  Sound in itself is not really emotional, it’s just a neutral plane that we attach experience to.

It seems likely some of HN or HNW listeners, especially those discovering the genre, probably tend to put on those releases at times where they are trying to achieve some type of catharsis or ruminate in zone for any number of reasons. But those types probably do the same with punk and metal records. I personally just remember having my mind blown, I’d stare at the tape or CD and not understand what was happening and I kept going back over and over until it revealed itself. I’m sure I basked in stuff that bummed me out to, but I was bummed out. Noise at finest just blew and blows my mind over and over.

I don’t think most people are recording in these negative headspace either, even if the negativity is the impetus or inspiration for the recording. Doing anything in depression or anger is difficult and it will probably not yield the best results. I think some people may use play as a way to interrupt and override a mental experience, like a guitarist, and in that sense I’m sure it works and creates a catharsis.

I’d say for most fanatics of noise the experience of listening and creating is largely ecstatic, when kindred people meet and get together at these shows they geek out massively talking about tapes, releases and live experiences they’ve had or equipment they used or have seen. This is what I assume Romain is talking about, and why things like this forum, Oskars’ efforts at recording these interviews and live shows/festivals are so important.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on April 27, 2022, 07:16:16 PM
I think Vomirs comment on new age ambient type of thing, was most of all valid criticism against lack of artistic merit of those type of works?
A lot of that type of ambient muzak is really like muzak. Functional sound, created to be played in background in certain moments. As example, you can pick up from youtube all sorts of ”10 hours or relaxing ambient” -clips. There is no album name. There is no artist name. It is just functional sounds, as dull as choosing ”10 hours of coffee house jazz”, delivering you chunk of 10 hours, some sort of semi-synthetic going-nowhere background musak.
I think criticism was towards that element, not that someone would find something utterly joyful or positive. I don’t personally find noise usually dark or negative at all. Right now listening Merzbow ”Storage” and it is most definitely full of energy and joy!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: NerveGas on April 27, 2022, 08:42:46 PM
Only halfway through episode so forgive me if I am misinterpreting anything.

However, in response to the above comment... noise can be dark, negative, etc. I am absolutely fine with that. But I find more often than not, it is due to thematic attachment or imagery. Harsh noise itself can most often be a blank slate or perhaps the opposite; a well of endless interpretation. I see no reason to think that wall noise would be predisposed to putting people into a negative headspace unless they were already trying to dwell on negative thoughts. With that said, I am sure you are right in a sense, and it can have that effect on people. It just not an effect I necessarily relate to or would think is particularly common. Harsh brutal sound does not equal negative emotion to me. If it does for some, that is fine of course. As many have stated, the harshest noise is often quite joyous. Lasse Marhaug comes to mind or to use a newer act as an example, The New Boyfriends. Even Marhaug releases I have that have images of strange pornography or "edgy" references hardly seem dark. Of course, the man's catalog is massive and I have only heard a fraction of his releases, but enough to say I have some familiarity.

Listened to The Haters - Future Cheers reissue LP just this morning actually and found it to also have a similar feeling. And the accompanying quote from the release seems appropriate.

"I destroy out of joy, not despair. I don't destroy out of anger. I destroy out of curiosity.... My noise acts as a kind of audio account or authentic evidence of this ceaseless, perpetual bittersweet happiness we call entropy."


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Soloman Tump on April 30, 2022, 12:35:39 AM
"My name is Vomir, it means to puke.  There is a bag over my head.  I take myself with irony, and I don't care."

Perfect!

Great interview.

I absolutely love his "Le Cloaque Apres La Romance" Trou Aux Rats album from last year (AtWarWithFalseNoise) - a double CD album of evolving drone synth, melancholia and stoned death reverb. I love that he can put out stuff like this alongside Vomir.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on May 02, 2022, 06:18:52 PM
OUT NOW: AFTERBLAST #2
Sam of PHAGE TAPES and Taylor of SCREAM & WRITHE / ABSURD EXPOSITOON join me to talk more in depth about the ins and outs of running a label and mailorder. Lots of gems and trade secrets brought out into the open.

Preview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDsolJFkT-o

Access WCN TV: https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on May 05, 2022, 02:14:47 PM
EXTRA! EXTRA! Bonus episode out now!
"Moment Of Truth"
Mack Chami joins me again to set the record straight on his power electronics project KOUFAR and take back the narrative on his works dealing with his identity as a first generation Lebanese American.

https://youtu.be/agR3pXqnmL4
https://youtu.be/agR3pXqnmL4
https://youtu.be/agR3pXqnmL4


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on May 06, 2022, 01:10:32 PM
Decent episode. Gradually grows better till end.

There are moments when both of the guys present here, mention that some of the themes are bigger, not just about Koufar, but possible to apply more universally. This is something that could be remembered when being annoyed that someone is not aware of all things and has to make assumptions and discuss merely based on gut feeling and limited knowledge currently available.
 
As example, it would be odd to demand people knowledge of each religious group of Lebanon to be allowed to discuss about something related to things happening there. Why? Lets say we extend this to any other country. What we know of Bolivia? What we know of Sweden? Who are Spanish people? What are languages spoken in Spain or Italy? and so on and on.. I am sure you'd find now some Finns who might give you hard time if not knowing and appreciating  indigenous people of this country. While I might be realistic enough to say, why would anyone know or care of this country languages, ethnicity or history. What do we know in the end? At least some may be genuinely interested to learn - even sparked from realizing how little one knows about something that appeared interesting.


When not seeing the reality beyond your own perspective, one can imagine discussion, that could go something like this:
-You can't get what I'm dealing with this release
-Well, you can't know what people "get"
-You have not been through all things I have
-well, you have not been through all things I or other people have
-You don't know all the hardships I've gone though...
-pff... well, what can I say? We can go on like this for all day...

My assumption is,  that most grown up people have eventually realized, that most of hardships and nuisances and misunderstandings in life are pretty common. Bridges get burned, relationships ruined, people calling you with names, people not giving chance based on whatever quality you may be considered to have. Losing good friends, getting into all sorts of trouble, etc. One can pick up plenty of things to connect it to. Be it gender, race, disability, age, aesthetic taste or whatever. I would assume it is fact, that one simply has to accept is there is no possibility that one is "widely understood" among people who barely care or would somehow control the narrative how their works must be commented or experienced. Interview is like this, certainly gives Koufar possibility to make his perspective heard and give depth to releases what is positive indeed. If we talk about power electronics in wider sense, like the realism was concluded to be in the episode: people will relate to in certain ways, from their own point of view, regardless what artists would be doing. Very often negatively. That's how it goes.

Con-Dom gets mentioned few times. The latest phase of gigs he was doing, regardless of being around for 30+ years, one of his European shows was cancelled. Organizer had approached about needing statement about two first Con-Dom tapes. Reason was that unexplained use of swastika on release cover ain't the thing they can accept. Instead of explanation, Con-Dom simply told he'll skip the gig. Which was of course right thing to do.

Like in case of Con-Dom, asking clarification or statement about "racism", could be replied that this ain't noise for dummies. Work discussed this for decades, and it ain't worth to discuss if the questions are dumb. If you really get something, it is different type of experience than confirmation or being told. That makes me wonder how many do think most of power electronics is some kind of identity politics or lecture? I would assume there is very very small % of entire genre what falls into such category. I don't think we need personal history, to get what artists expresses, unless he is talking more about himself, than something else out there.

I suppose there is vastly growing idea that artist must be somehow "be real", on level some learn from, for example, hip hop? I think that approach is a bit counter productive when applied to art in general.
Friend of mine mentioned that recently people has been demanding Laibach to give their clear stand about Russia/Ukraine war. Hmmm.. Demanding Laibach clear political stand? jeeeesus...

In same way, I don't think Koufar needs to really explain himself to the haters out there, but if he chooses to, I would recommend all the fans to listen to it as it can give a lot of nuggets of info & background for the releases what ain't anywhere else.



Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on May 09, 2022, 06:17:17 PM
Out now! Episode 23 with Rose Actor-Engel of APOLOGIST and NO RENT RECORDS!

https://youtu.be/7wyVTRsL0vw
https://youtu.be/7wyVTRsL0vw
https://youtu.be/7wyVTRsL0vw


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: HONOR_IS_KING! on May 09, 2022, 08:13:12 PM

I don't think Koufar needs to really explain himself to the haters out there


I never wanted to, but the facts are such.

I have a God Is War album coming out on Closed Casket Activities this year. Not to also mention its going to come out at the same time when I go on tour with Blood Incantation, Full of Hell, Mortuous, and Vermin Womb later this year. When the tour was announced, that same evening it was brought to my agent and Dylan from Foh that I'm "promoting fascist ideologies" and so I had to do this in order to keep moving forward. To even quote Blood Meridian "These anonymous creatures, he said, may seem little or nothing in the world. Yet the smallest crumb can devour us. Any smallest thing beneath yon rock out of men's knowing."

The fact is I want to be a full time musician and do great things like take care of my wife and InshAllah future family with it. Unlike so many of my PE peers with office jobs/solid working class can't relate or understand that through music is the only way I can truly succeed (because I always fucking have, my work has always been growing and hasn't stopped). Been working in retail for too long to just hop into an office job without knowing someone and frankly I don't want to work a fucking regular job, never have. I think to be branded and blacklisted over being labeled by things that people on this board revel in is fucking moronic, and a waste of my talent. So this is why I did it. I wanted to finally have an official statement on it so idiots can be directed to it.

Like I mentioned in the first interview though, some folks want to be a big catfish in a small pond and Im trying to be a great white shark in the ocean of this life. So this is how I must move.



Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Born F. Mental on May 10, 2022, 12:39:44 AM
May Allah and your agent secure a prosperous future for you and your wife


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Theodore on May 10, 2022, 12:02:24 PM
I wanted to finally have an official statement on it so idiots can be directed to it.

Like I mentioned in the first interview though, some folks want to be a big catfish in a small pond and Im trying to be a great white shark in the ocean of this life. So this is how I must move.


I wish you good luck. It's noble one to have higher expectations, believe in himself, and set bigger goals. If that's what he really wants ...

If that was for the idiots then you did nothing, sorry. Actually you fed them. I am not sure what's bigger satisfication for them, to destroy their 'target' or to bring him in that position so he has to explain ? In any case i dont think your statement -what you say in it- means anything to them. If it has any use as such is to direct organizers / bigger labels to it once they tell you they have 'complaints' , there are 'problems' etc. To save your time and energy.

I wont tell how you 'must move' , dont know, your life, your bussiness. But sharks dont move this way. This i know.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Nolan on May 10, 2022, 04:14:12 PM
I wanted to finally have an official statement on it so idiots can be directed to it.

Like I mentioned in the first interview though, some folks want to be a big catfish in a small pond and Im trying to be a great white shark in the ocean of this life. So this is how I must move.


I wish you good luck. It's noble one to have higher expectations, believe in himself, and set bigger goals. If that's what he really wants ...

If that was for the idiots then you did nothing, sorry. Actually you fed them. I am not sure what's bigger satisfication for them, to destroy their 'target' or to bring him in that position so he has to explain ? In any case i dont think your statement -what you say in it- means anything to them. If it has any use as such is to direct organizers / bigger labels to it once they tell you they have 'complaints' , there are 'problems' etc. To save your time and energy.

I wont tell how you 'must move' , dont know, your life, your bussiness. But sharks dont move this way. This i know.

The person Mack is talking about backed off after the interview.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: chryptusrecords on May 10, 2022, 07:40:09 PM
can't relate or understand [...] so idiots can be directed to it.

seems like a real catch 22


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: HONOR_IS_KING! on May 10, 2022, 09:49:42 PM
If it has any use as such is to direct organizers / bigger labels to it once they tell you they have 'complaints' , there are 'problems' etc. To save your time and energy.

I wont tell how you 'must move' , dont know, your life, your bussiness. But sharks dont move this way. This i know.

You figured it out with the first part, that second part...nice try.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on May 11, 2022, 02:46:21 PM
So back to the topic at hand - how about the interview with Rosie?


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on May 11, 2022, 09:12:56 PM
New episode is good. Had to listen it in couple parts. Beginning felt dragging a bit or perhaps it was more my lack of knowledge of artists, but it got good. Lots of topic what could be discussed further.

I am quite surprised Crumer would live off the No Rent label, hah! Feels like it is somewhat connected to discussion of "noise success".

I would guess people starting or even running labels may benefit from this and some "business oriented" discussions. Bandcamp critic is good to hear.

In early part there was some talk about how Rose seems to be quite less known - outside the immediate circle of followers. She mentioned not ever sending review copies to press. Which seems a bit amusing, as I find myself asking... what press? Is there anymore press that exists, where one could get attention? With fairly limited runs of tapes, I think one quickly is ruled out of certain possibilities. There is some talk how method of doing 100 tapes, breaking even, little profit and moving on works out. It does, but for example I personally find more interesting than the immediate sales, the potential that can be there. Like you can find Freak Animal CD's from multiple Japanese record stores. Who buys them there? I have no idea! It's crowd that exists. Or that you can walk into Finnish music store chain desk and ask them to have Nicole 12 CD for next day and it can be done. As ridiculous as it sounds. It's just that against all the expectations, against any sense, one would see what if you try is there potential beyond audience who is in direct contact this week or this month. It is certainly consuming approach and works only if you got storage and patience. Tapes are neat, but if you try to arrange distribution there is certainly pro's and con's.


There was talk about a bit more centralized noise information. If that is correct way to put it. Several years ago, there was bubbling under idea of Special Interests as website. A bit more complex platform that it is now. Idea was, that why not have like proper media, where you'd have news of labels re-posted, reviews, interviews, interviews done by other sites, videoclip found anywhere. Sort of centralized site where info that is scattered all over the place can be found. Then list of potential flaws of idea came clear. You include wrong kind of content, and other guys don't want to be associated. You deal just that kind of stuff and big part of genre is ignored, which ain't good either. Publishing news of label X, but not willing to publish news of label Y, because they suck.. and soon you alienate bunch of people based on perhaps nothing else but personal taste. And so on and on. Just the idea of trying to keep up, multiple times a week, and I would know you will burn out. If it would be collective project, there would be some potential, but eventually it might be like most things: Enthusiastic early phase, and then regressing quickly into something else.

......
Forum, as many flaws as it may have, is something that this all can be done. It ain't the same thing, but theoretically, anyone who registered in, can promote, post, talk, introduce, remind of whatever things noise. Their own, or things they just found out. It is not centralized. It is still one of the many marginal places, but somehow moderately centralizes things like news, ads, selling items, announcing items, that hopefully won't disappear in abundance of streams.

One advice for keeping eye of forum quick, is to use:
http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?action=recent
Found from bottom of front page, Special Interest - Info Center part: "View the most recent posts on the forum."

That way one doesn't have to open every single topic, but click this one thing and can view all messages in order how the appear. If you see something you want to check better, just click topic to navigate.
..........


Rose mentions that she could think right away 10 other women who should have been "before her" on the podcast. Well, I'd vote for Rachel Slurr to invited!



Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on May 23, 2022, 06:04:59 PM
Out now - Episode 24 with Wyatt Howland of SKIN GRAFT!!!!

https://youtu.be/NWWQHoG3r40
https://youtu.be/NWWQHoG3r40
https://youtu.be/NWWQHoG3r40


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: HateSermon on May 23, 2022, 08:42:54 PM
Awesome episode with Wyatt. Appreciated all the midwest talk as I’m located in Michigan and could kind of relate, though I missed out on that mid 2000s golden era. I think his description of what makes midwest noise unique is totally accurate. Also got a big laugh out of the sold out “noise gig”. Any update on who that was?


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on May 24, 2022, 08:44:44 AM
I do have bunch of Skin Graft stuff, but my original early "dislike", if you can call it that, was that there was already noise project Skin-Graft in Finland since mid 90's. Very little on Freak Animal, but full tape Peter Zinckens (odal) Nihilistic Recordings probably equally unnoticed. Of course it is unrealistic to expect people would know all the project names before internet made it possible, hehe.. Nevertheless... for me, it was two bands, same name (with one having dash between). Now that the Finnish project is long gone (now member in Sadio), plus USA Skin Graft certainly proven to be master in his craft, this is more like anecdote from early impressions, hehe...

In this episode, it's good to hear Wyatt got away from destructive habits. When I was younger, I didn't drink nor do drugs. Everybody around me was, but I never had problem with saying no thanks. Now that I am older, I have lots of catching up to do, so most friends quit excessive drinking and all sorts of healthy-lifestyles and wellness is so trendy it gets on my nerves. I don't see much difference either way. For me it is very much possible to avoid level of lobotomized drinking. It really is damaging for noise making if it is drugs or alcohol that makes you think it's amazing and later on the clarity will reveal how it lacks on all levels that needs careful attention.

It was amusing when Oskar sounded so surprised when Wyatt said he'd prefer listening noise over making it. Of course question would perhaps need elaboration, as we're talking about two quite different things. I would say, true noise fans are listeners. They are also listeners of their own works? For making noise, I feel there can be vast variety of reasons, but to actually listen to noise beyond occasional curiosity, from that crowd you'll find the noise fanatics.

I was surprised that people working in vinyl industry would not know that there IS new vinyl factories. You can buy machines that are currently manufactured. Anyone wanting to have their own factory going on, Canadian company produces the presses (one fully automatic machine that does all by itself, other more "primitive" where operator does bunch of work) :
https://www.viryltech.com
Finnish vinyl factory (who should be up & running during 2022) has one of these. While the press itself, ain't that bad. If you got money to invest into new biz, it could be doable, but you need all the other things. Mastering, metalworks, printworks, and so on. Even mere logistics may be surprising. I think the Italian factory where I did bunch of things and OEC has been doing too, is also new presses?
Actual current level technology press is probably fairly easy to use compared to 50's machinery.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on May 30, 2022, 07:05:23 PM
New episode of album reiviews out now on WCN TV, talking about:

BLIND DATE - Thank You (Usagi Productions)
NUORI VERI - Kadonnut Maailmankuva (Aussaat)
JASON CRUMER - Thin Ice (Breathing Problem Productions)
SEEPAGE - Second Nature (Phage Tapes)

https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise
https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise
https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Zeno Marx on May 30, 2022, 08:29:16 PM
listening to the youtube clip...

I've never heard of review for pay.  Amazing times.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on May 30, 2022, 08:46:44 PM
I've never heard of review for pay.

EDIT: The cases mentioned were not in the noise scene - I guess more of the EBM world?


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Zeno Marx on May 30, 2022, 09:02:38 PM
I've never heard of review for pay.

What about a zine?
I've never heard of it at all.  Maybe something at the level of The Wire?  But even that would be surprising.  What do I know though?  I almost never leave the DIY circuit.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on May 31, 2022, 08:12:52 AM
I would assume that IF it would be possible, it could happen more.

For example metal music, it is very very common. There are basically couple ways. Either label/band needs to buy adspace to get covered in reviews. Or, in other hand, magazine or platform will flat out tell you the prices. I've been told popular youtube music reviewers will ask often fee from bands who benefit of given attention.

As small as the market area is, there are online metal media in Finland, who have fixed rates, how much it will cost to be reviewed and how much for interview. Their "journalists" have been known to approach bands in style of "your debut album is pretty interesting, I'd like to write about it, but...." and there is pricelist one needs to ponder would the publicity be worth it.
One more way is basically pay the promoter. You pay XXXusd for the "promo guy", who has the established connections to all sorts of magazines and online portals, and he'll prepare the starter pack for music-journalist-dummies, who'll then most of all cut & paste PR speech as "review" or "news" and post all your bandcamp and stream links. In some circles, it means that the PR guy is the guy who is associate & friend with a lot of guys anyways, so in theory you pay for one guy, who almost can guarantee that your reviews & news will then appear in all places he has foot between the door. You may not pay direct to media itself, but kind of one of guys in the system nevertheless.

None of this has to be really mainstream in usual sense of word. It works is surprisingly small scale music culture.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on June 06, 2022, 06:19:38 PM
OUT NOW! WCN Podcast with Sam Torrest of CRAWL OF TIME / KOUFAR / TERROR CELL UNIT

https://youtu.be/NrC49Dcz3dw
https://youtu.be/NrC49Dcz3dw
https://youtu.be/NrC49Dcz3dw

Don't forget, WCN Podcast is also available on all audio podcast platforms if that's your thing!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: SVNOKKLT on June 06, 2022, 08:36:48 PM
Awesome episode, good touching on the current state of the industrial/PE scene being torn between remaining stagnant and tied to the same sound vs. people who want to push it forward into an evolving set of ideas.  Always good insight into the state of things, and I appreciate the shout-outs of my projects.  He's one of the people making the most interesting and forward thinking music right now, and I don't say that just with the bias of being a friend and collaborator. 


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on June 10, 2022, 08:15:17 PM
Been for week out of finland, out of EU and wasn’t sure if youtube stream would cost a lot ot not, so waited wifi connections to listen this.

Good episode. It has a lot of things what one could catch for further discussion. Not only direct comment to Sam but like in podcats, people tend to be vague and no names or too direct details are being said…

Episode does have pretty good balance and laid back vibe. Sound decent, editing probably been easy with this. Also content. There is the personal stuff, but also art, gear and compositional process gets dealt with.

Oddity what I hear is the strange… kind of paradox of being kind of technically advanced, but then explaining the cluelessness of recording process itself. And settling on ”from mixer via usb to computer”. Generally, I do not like that type of sound. Or lets say, I do not prefer it. Been guity of digital line recordings many times, for sure. It is this odd habit that you know it will be sucky, but for reason or another it happens. In my case, mixer output to digital recorder. When listening the results, it sure was fast and easy, but it just quite ain’t what it was supposed to be and how it sounded like from blasting speakers… Next time, one knows few extra steps can and should be taken.

Sam tells about returning to some old tricks, tape loops etc.

I don’t really judge on digital and anaglue. I would guess most of my stuff, since 1995, been always about 50/50. I think it goes more into ear and taste.

Many times when people talk about advancing power electronics, and then I hear what is being done, I feel like we are talking about oil painting vs windows 95 paint. Sure, the latter was new. It was thing that some old master never used, but come on… haha. A lot of best gear, is kind of… not new or old, but… timeless? You can still today, use musique concrete and 60’s electro acoustic methods and sound futuristic and out there, while the 5-10 year old new power electronics sounds dated and old. 

When you are really at the core of expression, you got the personality and skill and most of all ear & taste to recognize both what you want, how to achieve it. To recognize what fraction of session makes that great 3 seconds loop that will sound fresh now, and in 10 years and can’t be recreated by anyone. That there ain’t a pedal, synth or settings that makes that sound, but just the creators ability to recognize something when it emerges.

When I look at what is happening with PE, I don’t see almost any old school PE out there. I see nobody doing Whitehouse, nobody doing Ramleh, nobody doing SJ. Musically or sonically. If there is, I’d like to see some names dropped, or won’t believe.
What I see is not genre what would be somehow wanting or willingly staying in past, as most of stuff sounds, at least in my years, that it sure as hell didn’t sound like this in the 90’s or early 00’s. I feel that thing is rather that it sounds so much of 2020!

What is the problem of sounding like 2020? Well, I guess most of all that putting some of the masterworks to your stereos, you have no idea when they were made. Clean, rugged, nasty, crystallic, whatever is the quality, unless you know, it could be any of last 4 decades. Then fast forward to big chunk of the 2020, it sounds like it is right now, with tech we have now, with mentality we have now. And that moment is most likely getting old way sooner than the timeless classic of 85, 95, 05….

I feel there are artists who are now doing things in PE what has not been done. It is most of all having their own personality there, not necessarily showing tricks, but doing albums that could not be confused to almost that exists before.

There is a lot one could comment, but one what stikes me funny as hell, is the ”hate feedback”. When worst examples are that someone blamed you as fake christians and other claimed your parents are buying your gear.. eh eh.. I thought PE was domain of old men, parents buying gear complain sounded so funny. 

Lots of other things, but I guess I’ll stop here. Its episode worth to listen and worth to comment too!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: HONOR_IS_KING! on June 11, 2022, 01:53:50 AM
I thought PE was domain of old men.

The comments have come that way for us because we started doing PE at a much younger age then what the average age 30+ was over a decade ago. We both started in our early twenties. Hence why people have made claims that "our parents buy our stuff".

But I remember when PE/Industrial was just fools +35. I remember Sam and I being the youngest performers at both United Forces Of Industrial fests we participated in too.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Bleak Existence on June 11, 2022, 02:04:58 AM
i take old school PE be it from the 80' or 90' over any ''modern'' sounding PE why cause its sound simply better to me why get complex when you can go simple and be more effective less is way more striped down set up synth + vocal forever go back to amp to tape recording perfection no computer needed


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: brutalist_tapes on June 11, 2022, 04:01:03 PM
i don't know if this is what you're talking about mikko, but as far as i understand classic discussion among engineers with regards to analogue vs digital is, with analogue you have to get all parameters perfect before recording, ensuring that mic position and mixer eq, compressors etc. is on point, whereas with digital recording you get pretty shitty starting result and then "fix" it from there "in the box". i've heard pretty good results from both methods to be honest, but maybe you are only talking about line-in recording method. i would argue it could work, but soundwork on all grunt i heard has been really good, so of course the old school method is not to be taken lightly.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: sunandsteel on June 11, 2022, 06:31:07 PM
Listened to the nightcore playback speed version (x1.5) at work this week. Really enjoyable conversation, Sam is a real standup person. In underground experimental music, you often run into people who really have their nose up their own ass in their self serious role as an ~artist~. Episode highlighted how Sam does take his craft seriously but is also very down to earth. The family stuff is always interesting to hear as well especially from an outsider perspective whose only exposure to that world is Gangland episodes and Blood In Blood Out. Commentary regarding the themes of Crawl of Time emphasize how refreshing it is to have a personal proximity and experience to the topic at hand vs. just being a distant study for a tape or whatever. I agree with this, but would like to add that another thing that makes it refreshing in regards to personal themes is that a lot of the time when people make personal experiences central to their work, I often wonder why should we care about your personal trauma, kinks, sex history or whatever. A lot of the personal themes just come off as mundane. However, this can't be said about Crawl of Time because these intense personal themes are intriguing and impactful especially when combined with the music/artwork.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 11, 2022, 08:54:02 PM
i don't know if this is what you're talking about mikko, but as far as i understand classic discussion among engineers with regards to analogue vs digital is, with analogue you have to get all parameters perfect before recording, ensuring that mic position and mixer eq, compressors etc. is on point, whereas with digital recording you get pretty shitty starting result and then "fix" it from there "in the box". i've heard pretty good results from both methods to be honest, but maybe you are only talking about line-in recording method. i would argue it could work, but soundwork on all grunt i heard has been really good, so of course the old school method is not to be taken lightly.

I beg to differ. A shitty take is a shitty take and there's only so much you can do with a computer, especially when you're not a professional engineer.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on June 11, 2022, 09:52:01 PM
No, it was not about that really.
Like I probably said several times, since early 00’s, none of my work is purely analogue. I was never analogue purist, and if you listen to my noise from mid 90’s, you’ll hear teenager getting hard on with (then fairly new) digital guitar multi-efx unit. Haha.

what I meant, is easily audible by listening handful of old noise items, and handful of new noise items. When there was no ”noise gear”, and nobody really knew how other people did their stuff, and there simply was not access for stuff, there was often something utterly unique in terms of … hmmm… Timbre? The color of the sound, the character, that has very little to do with composition, gear of sound creation, and more about process of recording.

Lets have examples, early Ramirez. Man did some of utterly magnificent harsh noise recordings with his grandmothers stereo set-up. some sort of tape-deck-turntable-tuner type of package deal, and he’d just hit rec on tape deck and you just can not replicate this sound.

The Haters works of old times. Man is using scrap metal, broken glass, sampled car crashes, etc, anything anyone can do, but pretty much nobody sounds like The Haters. Never.

You got entire genre of power electronics, with to this date, nobody sounding like Sutcliffe Jugend. Sure, there are bands with vocals, feedback and rugged keyboard tones. But that ain’t the SOUND, the timbre of SJ. I have listened every band ever praised to sound like old SJ, and I can tell, nobody sounds like it. I am not saying it would be impossible to sound like it, but first of all, there is no reason really, but also I am fairly confident many have no idea what is the element that makes bands sound like that.

Now, in digital era, of course bands can sound different. There is no question about it. But the fact remains, especially among people who are clueless about gear and who are just victims of having to settle on what is commonly available, commonly known to be ”recording method”, that you will end up with power electronics, that may have nice synth modulations, may have unusual theme, even somewhat personal angle on the songs, but then…. In the end, we have the situation as we have in almost any music today.

New art music of symphonic orchestra will sound … just like it does.
New metal music, that is known as ”well produced”, will sound basically the same, despite different music, you got the timbre and pallette that is what you get when you are recording on compiters, line-in, state of mind how music production of 2022 is.

I know some will say that you can do different things on computer. I know, and that’s what is the frustrating part of it. We know it can be done, but just about 9/10 promo recordings I receive sound like what I described before.

As clear example, look for Emil Beauliea ”Memories” CD. Play Shimpfluch track. My most loved modular synth patterns are there. But they key is not only the synth and it’s patch, but the timbre, the color of sound of recording. I have searched if there would be something like that, and only one I have ever heard, during decades of search, is fairly recently Kartio 2x tape that comes a bit close. Using modulars, but having excellent production what escapes this feeling as if you are not listening to piece of art, but someones synth tutorial video. The finest detail what often seems impossible to explain. I set next to a guy, explaon what is totally unbearable in some recording, and in bizarre way, in genre so focused on SOUND and its microscopic qualities, one you talk to doesn’t hear the thing you talk about. They hear it in ways of riffs, drum beats, melody patterns, synth oscillations etc… but not in the fine detail what is purely the SOUND itself what is most of all recording method.

This doesn’t mean it has to be lo-fi or rugged. One can listen Whitehouse ”New Britain” for example. I consider it high fidelity. Brilliant, fierce, and very very very hard to mimic, despite it seeminly would need wasp synth and vocals. There is this other quality, that often is understood more in noise, than in contemporary PE. I think.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on June 13, 2022, 06:59:34 PM
Out now on WCN TV - AFTERBLAST with Will Vangorder of WORTH

We follow up after his first interview, and he fills me in on what he's been up to lately. He also tells me about the time he ate a rattlesnake in the wild and used the skin years later to package a tape, as well as his legendary day in court on national TV, to name just a few topics we get into.

Only available on WCN TV for Patreon supporters. 5€ / month gets you access to this episode and much more exclusive WCN TV content - consider supporting now!

https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise
https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise
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Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: HateSermon on June 13, 2022, 09:41:56 PM
Nice interview. The animation perspective was real interesting as that’s what I do for my full time job, though never really thought of applying those fundamentals to making sounds… squash, stretch, and so on.  You touched briefly on that being a possible way to move noise/PE forward and I think you’re on to something there. Applying basics of one art form to another. might be something I’ll have to think on.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on June 20, 2022, 06:28:46 PM
Out now! Andy Bolus of EVIL MOISTURE on White Centipede Noise Podcast!

https://youtu.be/h1oltRZAd5Q
https://youtu.be/h1oltRZAd5Q
https://youtu.be/h1oltRZAd5Q


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on June 20, 2022, 09:34:55 PM
Great!
Of course there is always lots of points of further discussion, but it is absolutely great to see kind of.. ehm.. old timer, if one can use such word, who has no problem name dropping bunch of old favorites, but also new ones. I was surprised he mentioned Ride For Revenge. RFR is of course great and new album is amazing, but didn’t expect it to be mentioned.
Funny thing was Andy saying something about … hmm.. listening stuff what you can’t mention on podcast? Haha. It would be good to get the top-best unacceptable listening, so we could grab some goodies.

It is quite amusing times. Just couple days ago was handed papers of Finnish prison not allowing my stuff to hands of inmates. Half of reasons was due content of releases, half of reasons was merely based on who put them out or made them. Of course it is no news to me, but it is fairly amusing to see actual prison papers that declare it presents danger in Finnish prison system.

I would certainly appreciate tips for stuff that is not allowed..


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Urban Noise on June 24, 2022, 03:17:00 PM
Been enjoying all the interviews so far.

I'm waiting for an interview with Mr. Freak Animal... I'm sure there are many, many interesting things this man can say in an interview. About the making of Noise/P.E., running a label, general history of Noise/P.E.
I'm waiting.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Balor/SS1535 on June 24, 2022, 05:44:37 PM
Been enjoying all the interviews so far.

I'm waiting for an interview with Mr. Freak Animal... I'm sure there are many, many interesting things this man can say in an interview. About the making of Noise/P.E., running a label, general history of Noise/P.E.
I'm waiting.


I second this!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on June 24, 2022, 10:28:02 PM
Trust me, an interview with the SI bossman has crossed my mind. I still have to mull it over for obvious reasons.

This week instead of the podcast, I'm doing a video party / online meet-up for supporters of the podcast, as well as previous guests. I'll answer questions or let whoever wants to talk, talk! Should be fun, and potentially very funny. Had quite a few people say they plan on popping in so far!

It's going down this Monday June 27 at 18:00 CET. The link to the chat is already up on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: vegasfountain on June 25, 2022, 01:10:02 AM
Been enjoying all the interviews so far.

I'm waiting for an interview with Mr. Freak Animal... I'm sure there are many, many interesting things this man can say in an interview. About the making of Noise/P.E., running a label, general history of Noise/P.E.
I'm waiting.


Absolutely needs to happen


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on June 29, 2022, 07:31:55 AM
I am already so often hijacking this topic, so contribution to WCN might be large enough, like this hah. (plus, like Oskar hints, podcast what needs to reply on not deleted from service and avoid some other problems, might benefit from avoiding obvious trouble magnets.)

I am pretty sure Oskar has plenty of candidates lined up, but if suggestions are: Violent Shogun. Briefly included Vincent Dallas and Moozzhead both in full length episodes. Sewer Election. Ochu. Letters 22. Torba. Perhaps label special, like Total Black - how it is with running physical store in germany these days? Perhaps in near future new postage situation brings new challenges to noise biz that may be worth to talk?



Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: V.T.R on June 29, 2022, 11:49:40 AM
Altar Of Flies would be interesting guest too for the podcast(!)


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 29, 2022, 06:30:39 PM
Altar Of Flies would be interesting guest too for the podcast(!)

Yeah, tell me about it.

I'd also like to hear more from Matthias Andersson regarding Arv & Miljö,, Heinz Hopf, Release The Bat's and whatever label or music-selling activities he has nowadays, etc.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Zeno Marx on June 30, 2022, 09:27:17 PM
Out now! Andy Bolus of EVIL MOISTURE on White Centipede Noise Podcast
Rolling Gauloises?  Lungs of steel.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on July 04, 2022, 06:11:09 PM
OUT NOW - Remi of VIOLENT SHOGUN on White Centipede Noise Podcast!

https://youtu.be/zgkJE0BlASs
https://youtu.be/zgkJE0BlASs
https://youtu.be/zgkJE0BlASs


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: AKTI Records on July 04, 2022, 07:41:15 PM
Great episode once again! Thank you.

+1 vote for the Matthias Andersson interview! Would be a killer.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: RURAL RESISTANCE on July 04, 2022, 08:19:28 PM
Great episode once again! Thank you.

+1 vote for the Matthias Andersson interview! Would be a killer.

Gustafsson too!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on July 05, 2022, 08:01:38 AM
OUT NOW - Remi of VIOLENT SHOGUN on White Centipede Noise Podcast!

https://youtu.be/zgkJE0BlASs
https://youtu.be/zgkJE0BlASs
https://youtu.be/zgkJE0BlASs

Good!

Listened WCN podcast with Violent Shogun and thought I should grab his early Cryptofascisme tape on todays playlist… but well, the tape collection is such a mess, so after browsing for while, decided to take something instead.
Cryptofascisme would have been neat to deal in more detail. I doubt those who don't know, that kind of stuff it would be that deals with... how was it said.. taboos of french politics? Things that you are not supposed to discuss. This would mean things like acknowledging role of French in certain african political incidents etc. A bit more detailed look on such content would be nice. It is sometimes slightly odd, that you could take something like industrial project Militia. They'd refer in early works heavily into german, there would be ecoanarchist, there would be belgian nationalist tones against imperialism, there would be sort of russian anarchism, critique of destructive capitalism, often some historical standpoint... but if from outside one would look, what would be kind of THE industrial atrocity of Belgium, historical events that were intentionally aimed to be erased and forgotten? I assume there is nothing about it. Of course artists decide what they do, and it could be in some way "cliche" to pick up the sort of most obvious thing. One would still assume that if there would be multi-dimensional belgian industrial topic, there would be so much of potential for metaphors for current day society as well. You can, and will forget millions and millions of savages butchered in kongo, if world needs your product, and you hunger the profit.  In that way, Cryptofascisme would be interesting, that it would observe things like Mille Collines radio, french role in Rwanda genocide, which may be at this point "old news" to many, while german history will always be controversy. For industrial-noise heads, I would always assume it is the hidden, the forgotten, the not-to-be-talked-about, darker side of historical events that would be more interesting than the obvious?

Anyways, also, Remi was good talking about half of his listening being his own stuff. "Not for ego reasons, but because it is ideal for my taste". Something like that. It is good level of noise creation!

He was talking on podcast about not being so much fan of music business, but liking the noise in form of personal contacts, trading stuff with people etc. Even if I have actually lived from selling UG stuff all my life, which is fairly unbelievable thing actually, to have no education nor job at this age, I do agree on absolute importance of things being… not business. It also effects your ”collections” quite drastically, are you buying or are you in touch with people. Doing trades with guys before they are ”recognized”, labels who make editions less than 20 because nobody seems to care.  Eventually, decades later, it might lead to be very inspiring listening session with stuff that you did not just purchase, but you were sort of involved with. Good stuff that you had to be there, had to recognize the value and vitality before it was kind of "promoted to you". This type of personal relationship with the artist and art is quite different from what I often criticized about purely internet culture, where in theory there could be, but where often there is not some sort of personal commitment and back-and-forth communication.   

I think Oskar says it pretty well in saying "maintaining and fostering underground noise culture, in more modern way, but outside the social media superficial symbolic communication". Which is pretty much what I mean with difference of culture, and internet culture. Of course internet can, is and will be used, but there is big difference of how and why.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Theodore on July 06, 2022, 09:17:08 PM
Did Remi say in the interview there is a collaboration project with H.O.H ? Or i misheard ? If there is, did he mentioned name too ?


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Baglady on July 06, 2022, 10:36:06 PM
He did. They collaborate under the name Mold.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on July 06, 2022, 11:58:09 PM
Did Remi say in the interview there is a collaboration project with H.O.H ? Or i misheard ? If there is, did he mentioned name too ?

What Erik just said above. Something is at the plant at the moment.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on July 11, 2022, 09:39:18 PM
Out now on WCN TV - AFTERBLAST with Tommy Carlsson of TRERIKSRÖSET!

Tommy joins me for a lengthy follow up conversation to our first podcast interview. We dig into what he's been up to lately, "underground ethics", dubbing tapes, and much more.

Available on Patreon:
https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise
https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise
https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Baglady on July 13, 2022, 08:35:35 AM
Great bonus episode! Non-patreons are definitely missing out some excellent talk.

As for offspring and noise, my daughter is picky. She enjoys Umpio and The New Boyfriends, at least a few minutes. After that her attention returns to destruction of our home. She's been fascinated by tape decks and tapes from the moment she could reach them though. She turns on the power and plays, rewinds, messes with dolby and the eq etc. We'll see how long this interest lasts, but so far my decks are far more interesting to her than any screens and phones in the house.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on July 13, 2022, 05:20:30 PM
Thanks everyone. Tommy has generously donated 2 copies of the TRERIKSRÖSET tape on Hatband (2nd edition) to the WCN Patreon. This Friday July 15 at 18:00 CET, patrons at the level "Maniac's Circle" or above will see a post on Patreon for the giveaway. The first 2 people who comment "TRR" on the post will automatically win a copy of the tape. Also launching a Discord soon!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on July 25, 2022, 06:53:28 PM
Out now - new episode of WCN Podcast with Scott Houston of RESPIRATOR

https://youtu.be/ekpUk6wkzu0
https://youtu.be/ekpUk6wkzu0
https://youtu.be/ekpUk6wkzu0


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on August 01, 2022, 01:00:26 PM
Out now: NOISE ON THE RUN - Questions: "Why Does Noise HAVE To Evolve?" and more

I'm on the run this week, so took the opportunity to do a solo episode answering some of the very interesting questions submitted from viewers/listeners, starting with "my top 5 noise releases of 2022. "

Preview:
https://youtu.be/J3eIClbl418

Full episode on WCN TV through Patreon:
https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on August 02, 2022, 10:00:09 AM
GRUNT "installation...." tape (and LP) mentioned in playlist has been indeed for years bending on "to be released on CD". Just got to find the files from some old hard drive. Should be saved, but during the years, computers changed and files are scattered in various drives...



Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on August 08, 2022, 09:04:33 PM
OUT NOW - Epic interview with Eddie "EJ" Giles of FINAL SOLUTION

https://youtu.be/uciea47k7Us
https://youtu.be/uciea47k7Us
https://youtu.be/uciea47k7Us


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: hollowserpenttooth on August 09, 2022, 05:49:32 AM
Very excited to listen to this to finish my day. Thanks Oskar


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FallOfNature on August 09, 2022, 07:23:57 AM
Killer! There goes my evening


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on August 09, 2022, 08:19:23 AM
I listened entire episode at once. First c. 2 hours on headphone while walking outside, thinking of, it is not over...? And then hour more at home. It is really nice, and Oskar doesn't have to ask that many questions when Ed is so fast paced New Yorker.

It is funny, but also interesting question about younger Ed's delusion that Final Solution could and should become big. I think this may seem now really absurd idea, but it may be hard to present that era where this kind of delusion could have emerged. I recall it was in SPK interview, where they told about moving in London, as TG seemed so huge. Stories in all music magazines, gigs, scandals, albums coming out etc. Arriving into London and realizing how small industrial music actually was.

There was time when it seemed that EVERYBODY knew E.Neubauten, Laibach and so on. New album came out, and it was covered in music press just like any album. Difference to other music wasn't that big. I can easily understand why for example hip hop and rap went big, and industrial music didn't, but in theory, like Ed in his delusions thought, if music industry including media would have pushed this music like it did rap, it could have been interesting. One can think for example how big was and is Joy Division. And how little step would be to old school industrial? In theory, getting big, why not. In reality, one probably has to lean towards Final Solution's Chris and admit come on man, not going to happen! haha..


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: W.K. on August 09, 2022, 06:36:39 PM
Very good & special interview. Didn't expect him to go so deep and personal, but I'm happy that he did. For a guy that doesn't like to talk about his own life, he sure has a lot to say!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Phenol on August 10, 2022, 09:49:11 PM
Very good episode, up close and personal and also very informative. I find the whole "rockist" idea kind of funny. Wanting to be a "real band" like AC/DC, ha! It really shows a big difference between the oldtimers and most present noise musicians. What I like about that idea, though, is how they would actually rehearse and be able to play things live. That ability is mostly lost now, it seems, and is simply replaced by laptops which removes the tactile element of noise completely. He made me check out Commuter too. A solid tip! 


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on August 15, 2022, 06:07:34 PM
Out Now - Joe Roemer of MACRONYMPHA on White Centipede Noise Podcast!

https://youtu.be/cR8F42yH_UY
https://youtu.be/cR8F42yH_UY
https://youtu.be/cR8F42yH_UY


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on August 16, 2022, 11:24:58 AM
Really funny episode! My favorite moment is when Roemer starts to blast old-lady sex noise from amplifier and Oskar looks amused, but as it keeps continuing, there is certain expression of awkwardness being detected, haha...  And that might be also something to consider when doing content for Youtube. Not long ago friend of my got video removed very very quickly, even if there was no explicit footage, just audio that can be detected as XXX rated by fairly clumsy automatic sound detectors.

As far as I know, mr. Morris of Trash Ritual label, it wasn't that many years ago when he was still lurking at discogs, and buying few things. I suppose guy with family and serious job, it is tough to run label or make some sort of MSNP 10xCD box set happen, but I am amazed how popular it is for labels to just disappear and leave artists hanging in uncertainty. I could drop several names of guys who hoarded deals, masters, and never made them, but never cancelled nor returned master tapes. The little honour there should be, would be just admit artists I can't do this, and should I return tapes or send them to someone else. That should be easy as fuck in this case, when Roemer has always the same address and returning something would be easy.

Back when this MSNP box was still theoretically happening, Industrial Recollections took steps back on few plans of MSNP reissues since Trash Ritual insisted they might end up in the box. Now the only Macro CD I'd like to reissue is the FA's cd, re-mastered from original tapes as the old CD was quiet and lame transfer, by yours truly, in times when computer technology was still pretty new and far less advanced..


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on August 22, 2022, 07:09:53 PM
Out now! Ted Byrnes on White Centipede Noise Podcast!

https://youtu.be/d_5IoY-Z0dQ
https://youtu.be/d_5IoY-Z0dQ
https://youtu.be/d_5IoY-Z0dQ


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on August 23, 2022, 09:07:36 AM
I am not very well familiar with Ted Byrnes. The usual thing, that I tend to remember band names, not the people. I suppose it is mentioned a bit later that he is also in Wood & Metal, and then its "aah, that project!".

This is something that I would suggest to any podcast as a little adjustment for the structure. Instead of starting with long slow beginning of "how did you get into noise", it might be better to start instantly with who are you, how do we know you (what you've been doing lately, new shit happening, things that usually are somewhere in the end when podcast is just wrapping up episode), whats the interesting stuff happening right now. 
I would say, this would make listener who has interest, but not all the knowledge, captured from the beginning. Otherwise, I would suspect, there is relevant question why would we be listening stories of someone highschool band etc?  It is luring idea to think people would know artists, but if having a bit of realism, it could be benefit to mention to people that is being interviewed that if possible, talk as if nobody knows anything. Especially about other artists and people. This is helpful for listener. Lets say you get to hear "Matt's new stuff always slays!". And I'm wondering... Matt? Who? Shoemaker?  Sam? Sam who? McKinley? Stoxen? etc. haha..    Couple advices/plans how to talk in interview is very much accepted to make it relatable for listener.

This notion of not needing to know, is dealt in the Ted Byrnes interview. Oskar explains that it could be baggage if everybody would need to be first going through entire history of noise, to be able to start to make some. One could make great noise without any knowledge how and who were making it decades ago. In a way, I fully agree. It is not mandatory approach to noise that it would be study and research. There are plenty of other ways and reasons to approach.

But there is also another angle to it. One time, I was talking with younger artist who was very enthusiastic about nudity and splattering red paint. It was treated like new idea. Something that just came out into field of performance art. I didn't want to mention that... well... in history of roughly this type of art... the nudity and the red paint, the blood and the fake blood kind of thing.. It may not be new. Haha.

It is same situation that when in interview is being talked that everybody used scrap metal, but there is so many possibilities. Discussion how you could use glass. Wood. Stones. etc. and I am thinking... hmmm... I mean, sure, metal junk is popular because of obvious qualities. Its trusted sound, resonance, durability, and so on. This is especially for live sets. Anyone who has seen glass-noise live sets, knows why sheet of metal is more functional, hah.
But talking of these other things as if they would be obscure rarity in noise, makes me wonder what kind of noise is being listened? It is not mandatory to get educated on all things happening or happened in realms of noise, but it is helpful in a way that instead of wondering how come nobody is using glass for making noise, you could make top-5 noise/y releases using glass? Or most wild live performances using glass? Or dive into best stone recordings. Probably have to just grab Stein: Interpretationen Eines Geologischen Materials Und Seiner Symbolik -comp on mr. Ochu's label to get started. As soon as you've gone that, there is options to proceed even for purely acoustic stone noise live shows and such... Are these all NOISE with capital letters? Maybe not the baseball cap wearing HN shirt shakebox harsh noise, but in realms of same wider scene nevertheless.

Anyways, episode is good and gets better all the time by the end. Percussive qualities of noise, that is something what interesting topic. Also Byrner saying that he dislikes the sounds that lasts more than a note. Not doing any long sounds with his work. That is quite unusual in era where endless drones, echoes and stretching seems vastly more popular. It would be quite interesting topic to discuss whether such approach is kind of more noisy? When it is abrupt, fractured, not really beats and grooves, but percussive elements lacking what is traditionally musical. We are not lacking substance to observe. You could grab bunch of late 80's Merzbow cult album, that are noise/noisy, but on level of ideas, they are percussion music. Storage for example. Ecobondage. There was other stuff where his main idea was study object percussion. Or lets say Finns, have often possibility to see Umpio starting harsh noise sets with experimental percussion  (example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_DAwOwBo_8  just short clip from beginning).

Very much is appreciated the nod toward MANIA. Those who wonder why he is one of the masters in metal junk, I would say there is plenty to hear, but ALL AFTERMATH tape, that was the last of Mania and best. It makes one wonder what could have become of Mania if still after decades of using junk metal, really since the late 80's, he could come up with his best metal junk recordings? We talked back then that all FA Mania tapes should be collected into CD, as they well deserve it, but I just haven't got it done.  All of them are great, but All Aftermath would most certainly deserve to be remembered how artist can make their best stuff last and good reminder how talking about recent things and recommending recent releases can be good. Not just hunt for ancient noise..


But now that there was some talk about noise and other sound sources, any label who likes harsh noise and Jeph Jerman etc, could want to ask him or Ben Brucato about their collaboration project called ENTITIES. This was loud harsh noise, made out of wood. As far as I know, album never came out. There was talk that it could be on Freak Animal, but never got done for various reasons. It would be kind of waste to that project never get heard by anyone...  There was Brucato playing metal & wood on Jeph Jerman – The Bray Harp (on WCN), but this Entities project is something else.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: moozz on August 23, 2022, 10:27:07 AM
But now that there was some talk about noise and other sound sources, any label who likes harsh noise and Jeph Jerman etc, could want to ask him or Ben Brucato about their collaboration project called ENTITIES. This was loud harsh noise, made out of wood. As far as I know, album never came out. There was talk that it could be on Freak Animal, but never got done for various reasons. It would be kind of waste to that project never get heard by anyone...  There was Brucato playing metal & wood on Jeph Jerman – The Bray Harp (on WCN), but this Entities project is something else.

Now that several old goodies and archival treasures are being reissued/released it would be great to hear Entities as well! Jeph Jerman has been releasing quality stuff on many labels in the recent years so I would imagine I am not the only one who would be interested in this. So much great stuff out there all the time!


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on August 29, 2022, 09:55:18 PM
Forgot to post here, but no standard podcast episode this week. We had the monthly video party instead which was great fun! I'll try to do it on a weekend next month, as some people have mentioned that's more fitting to their schedules.

Later this week, WCN TV is dropping its first batch of "Premium" content:


-Documentary of this past weekend's gig in Stockholm featuring ALFARMANIA, TRERIKSRÖSET, OCHU, HINGST and FEBERDRÖM organized by Johan of Ominous Recordings, featuring excerpts of the live performances, on-site interviews, and behind the scenes footage. Shot in 4K by Basia Napora.

-In-person interview with Love Rosenström of OCHU back stage before the show.

-In-person interview with Mats Alm of YOUNG HUSTLERS at an undisclosed location.

-Each performing artist's extended set.


This content will only be available to Maniac's Circle supporters of WCN Podcast.

https://www.patreon.com/whitecentipedenoise


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on August 31, 2022, 04:37:04 PM
Out now!

ALFARMANIA, TRERIKSRÖSET, OCHU, HINGST, FEBERDRÖM, YOUNG HUSTLERS - STHLM 26.8.22 (Patreon only)

Trailer: https://youtu.be/uirjlYa_Qjo


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on September 05, 2022, 06:10:20 PM
OUT NOW!

Dean Fazzino of ROBERT FUCHS!

https://youtu.be/aFELTxpGOr0
https://youtu.be/aFELTxpGOr0
https://youtu.be/aFELTxpGOr0


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on September 06, 2022, 11:35:06 AM
There are many good topics on the episode, but perhaps the slightly muddy sound and slowness of dialogue doesn't make topic fully blossom.
I suppose Oskar will have easy task to return back to many of the themes. I think the discussion about what is "label" is curious. I can easily admit being somehow stubbornly thinking label should have some specific qualities. If being publisher, but then... doesn't send out stuff and doesn't reply people trying to contact.. is that a "label"? If its logo on tape that barely exists? Answer is, of course, that yes it is a label. Just not the style of label I like the most.
At the same time, knowing it would be foolish to insist, that labels work in a ways, like record labels sometimes do. One can't expect there should be convenient store where place orders or wide distribution and such..   but still, for me the question what really is a "label" in context of noise is quite interesting one. I'm hoping one day there would be some sort of collective multi personnel episode where label bosses of different types would talk about how they run their thing and what kind of ideals they have, for themselves or for noise labels in general.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on September 12, 2022, 06:13:32 PM
Out now!

Greg of Dada Drumming / A FAIL ASSOCIATION!

https://youtu.be/J-LIQ16j0ME
https://youtu.be/J-LIQ16j0ME
https://youtu.be/J-LIQ16j0ME


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on September 13, 2022, 08:16:30 AM
Excellent episode. Best of the recent ones, or should I say absolutely fantastic!
I like the enthusiasm as well as very firm ideas what it takes to run the label, and even aim higher with it.

There is this question should/could noise label pay artists and I suppose question is more important now than ever. When shipping things became so expensive, discogs turned pretty much garbage as far as I know, it seems unlikely that guys who may not be heavily involved in active scene, would somehow benefit from getting box of reissue 50 CD's? I see that there would be couple ways to look at benefit of paying artists. If it is a CD (or any format) that actually sells, then you can basically pay for example wholesale price of the item to artist in cash. In a way, just sell his copies behalf him. Perhaps pay little more now that you don't have to pay huge shipping of big box of stuff. If release ain't going to be realistically hot seller situation might be that you are passionate about it. So might just pay, regardless if it takes ages to recoup the costs. If you are not feeling passionate about it, then we got question why you're putting it out?

I fully realize not everybody simply have the budget to do such thing, extra few hundred may be real tight. Still wanting to do things. That's what underground is for. You'll be in contact with artists and with people you appreciate, and trying to advance and cultivate this art in ways that are possible.

Due the increasing costs, just recently one Finnish label decided to cancel agreed releases. As he had no webshop, relying on wholesale deals, and news of some distributors scaling down operations just resulted obvious decision. Of course you could do it just for fun. But is it even fair for artist? Put of release, then stash it to your storage. Not enough distributors who'll buy it, no possibility to do trades. Even personal trades getting too expensive. So honest decision to say artist it would be bad situation. Better to get label who can get your stuff out there.

I think many labels could spend few moments in thinking, that besides it may be fun time for you, what it is that you're doing. Dada Drumming has very focused idea what label is meant to do. He even appears to spend enough $$ that basically demands him to take it seriously. Sometimes that element is exactly what is needed. Like all the talk about respecting live artists and giving them money or buying food/drinks. It may be good for artists, but it may be good for gig itself. As soon as organizer invested money on it, what he may want back, he needs to do a bit of promotion. Even remind his friends we have this thing going. It benefits everybody that there suddenly is crowd of people, and not just 5 guys who noticed your "facebook event" or something. This entire "you get the door money" deal is lame, if it is there simply to create apathy. 

Label who just spend $$$ amount of money, may have motivation to recoup some of it. Actively try to get release into distribution around the world and so on. I think that is the real purpose of label these days, and separates good ones from the average. Is label committed to get stuff out there, and reach some new guys, new listeners. If he is just going to upload it on bandcamp with handful of followers and dub 20 tapes, where you really need label for? That's why it was absolutely inspiring to hear this Dada Drumming / A Fail Association interview when you got not only fairly long time noise head there, but also guy who clearly thought about what it really is to run label, or put on shows, etc.. 


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: piisti on September 19, 2022, 10:38:59 PM
   Hi! In my opinion tha latest one is the best one of this "season". This episode shows totally new angle to whole these thing called scene. I so can feel this ladys experiences with records she cannot chose. Nowadays I can figure what my passion my could sound like. Now my days goes with massive ear damage +everything else... im happy when my ears can take much more than an album of Noise, every second I have some noise,..
But yeah,really nice way yo come close to sounds.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on September 19, 2022, 11:37:24 PM
   Hi! In my opinion tha latest one is the best one of this "season".

Thank you! I'm late to the punch, but...

OUT NOW! Episode 34 of White Centipede Noise Podcast with Kate DeVoe of NOISE WIDOW ZINE!!!

https://youtu.be/Yn7CDPnep7Q
https://youtu.be/Yn7CDPnep7Q
https://youtu.be/Yn7CDPnep7Q


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on September 21, 2022, 09:08:32 AM
Good one! Actually, it was several years matter of joke among group of friends, how it would be different angle if there would be artists wife talking in the interview, hah...  Sarcastic remarks of.. all sorts of things.

I tried to order zines while ago from WCN store but at that moment they were sold out instantly. I know they are back now, but hoping now some copies would come to Finn distros eventually!

Discussion about not knowing too much what is happening or all the little details of genre, it is kind of old school. I remember even just handful of year ago, which is: Before discogs was popularized, that there used to be things like on noise forum people would collect information what was discography of some particular power electronics artists. You simply didn't have that info pretty much anywhere, and very few, if anyone, had the complete collection. When people started to do 'zines, I would guess fanzine is the better word. They most likely had merely couple years behind them and then doing what they can. I would suspect nobody would expect zine to be dictionary or history book, but personal reaction for mentioned persons situation. If you praise Anicca in review, without knowing what Noisembryo is, that's fine. I know I also often advocate knowing what some writes or says, but in terms of writing of noise, instead of history and context - just the gut feeling is probably more crucial. It would be better to know why YOU like it, not why it is generally appreciated.

The talk about need of zines being different.

When SI #1 came in 2009, we lived in quite different times. There was not really noise zines anymore. All the oldies, gone. New one, occasional one issue may have come here and there. At that moment, there was barely need to think that noise zine would have to be different. There was just need to be something. Pretty much anything. Now we have kind of luxurious situation, where people can be even critical to zines like "too many reviews". "Not again these type of bands". "I don't like the graphics". hah... Most of the time in noise history its been like "please, something!" and pretty much anything will do. When RRReport came out, level was that it was enough for Ron to send 3 questions. Who are you? What you do? How can people contact you?  And that was success. Lots of different kinds of noise zines, or zines that had some noise in them.

It would be really nice, to see how noise zines developed. What types of noise zines there has been, in what ways the zines are similar or different. And it seems that in such moment, suddenly something like Special Interests comes along, haha...  Sometimes unpleasant situation of having done research, knowing and wanting to share type of info and thinking that would be interesting. While people may not be interested in the obsolete nuggets of old info, but something that is now alive, happening, and also fun to get involved in. To find balance of both worlds, was one of goals of SI zine.

Waiting to get my hands on Noise Widow zines, as the interview was really fun.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: [MBD] on September 21, 2022, 02:09:05 PM
This was one of my favorite episodes yet! Kate has always had some of the best takes in every issue of Noise Widow, I'm anxiously awaiting the upcoming edition about Summer Scum VII. Her report on the fest is bound to be hilarious and informative haha.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on September 21, 2022, 06:36:14 PM

Great to hear people really like the episode with Kate. Obviously, I can highly recommend reading Noise Widow Zine. She was pretty diplomatic in this conversation, we've already talked about doing an AFTERBLAST soon where she can really let loose and be an asshole.

Also pardon the crosspost, but I'm offering an exclusive WCN T-shirt as a gift for Maniac's Circle Patreon supporters, and bomber jacket for HEAVY SPONSORS.
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Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on September 26, 2022, 06:35:40 PM
Out now - Episode 35 with Manuel Pereira of Narcolepsia!!!

https://youtu.be/vvSA_nfeuDY
https://youtu.be/vvSA_nfeuDY
https://youtu.be/vvSA_nfeuDY


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on September 27, 2022, 08:53:46 AM
Good one again. I guess longest thinking moments could be cut away to get faster pace... but in other hand, not in such a hurry, haha.. 

Excuse for long message cluttering WCN topic, but there is interesting thing what is mentioned, but no real conclusion made. Those who have not yet watched the episode, there is question about why CD would be 10-15 euro, while tape is more expensive to make, but can't be usually sold for high price. Prices used to be 5-7e. Now they are 7-9e. Some labels, more.

I think question of the prices of tapes vs prices of CD or records, is something where most tend to forget that price of format in general, is not only the manufacturing cost. In most music styles, there are A LOT of other costs involved in making album, where the actually price of pressing the CD, especially the disc itself, is the smallest. One can think the usual music band, who'll have studio, mastering, someone to make the cover art, someone to design. Of course, in underground music it can be home studio, friend mastering, self made design and all that, but many times even in something like rough metal music, cover artists can ask hundreds for front cover painting. Mastering or studio can cost several hundreds, even thousands. CD is format that enables that to take place. Perhaps necessity to buy advertising place. Even just pay add into Noise Receptor, Noisextra and WCN podcast for the CD album in question - so you make people aware there are these 300 copies you try to get rid off. What it's going to cost? Quite significant addition to mere manufacturing cost, just for sake of reaching enough people. If you send out bunch of freebies in hopes of review, or even sending out big box of royalties to overseas can add significant extra cost to CD, what isn't often calculated when you compare it with some self financed C-20...?

For small edition tape, you barely need any of that. Editions are often sold out. Manufacturing per unit, may be higher, but risk of ending up half of pressing unsold, is very small. Time or money you need to spend on promotion and arranging deals is small. And if that would be to happen that you really can't sell all, losses are small and often even tapes are possible to recycle. Yes, I agree that tape format is becoming expensive to the point that old type fun with tapes is soon gone. Still, I am sometimes amazed when people would talk about "getting your money back". As that tends to often mean exactly that. Literally getting your money back. It seems more like need of evaluation what is money and what it is one really needs? There are some people, very few, who does it for legit work. They may need money back for sake of sustaining their operations. Pretty much everybody else seems to have strange new school attitude. Everything is commodity, and everything is for profit and money is what is key element in all. To me it seems exactly zeitgeist of the culture now, another topic they deal in WCN podcast. It could be good topic to dive further. To talk in what ways noise is alternative culture, if it gets trapped into operation that is 100% same as mainstream culture, just less successful?

Anyways, getting your money back, is often irrelevant. Money as means of exchange can be skipped. You get back experience, you get back spark to cultivate your creative urges. You get most often life time long friendships that inspire you into new things. Even putting together special tape release.. I would think most do it, just because it is somehow rewarding. To get the task done, as unpleasant and dull as it may have been, simply getting it done is getting something back. Just this summer I was talking to one kid, who father I know, who was insisting to get paid for chopping firewood. I asked him where comes this obsession of money? Don't you realize you get paid, in building muscles, growing motoric skills, stamina, experience all together, being respected for being useful. Money should be the most irrelevant of your needs. Opportunity to man up and not ask for hand outs.

Anyways, in CD price, besides it traditionally enable to cover costs involved in making the album (besides pressing of disc), price is most of all enabler of wider distribution. If you got a tape, priced on 8 euro. Wholesale might be 5 even 6. Plus post. Distributors will have to sell item so high, people are no longer buying. For guy like me, who is in unpleasant situation of having to pay taxes, getting tape for 6e+shipping.. probably around 7-8e depending where it comes from. Putting price tag of 12 euros would seem harsh, but VAT (value added tax) takes 24% and leaves 1,5e profit. That is profit, unless you count out any packaging material of money lost in offering flat-rate shipping that is below the actual shipping cost. If most of items you'd basically sell at loss, that may be fine, but in long term not be sustainable system to sustain operations. All record stores and mailorders probably understand this. Fact that you can wholesale item to shop or distro for price, that they have still chance to have small cut for themselves, but price remains close to what original label is asking. That is usually mandatory. Some sort of psychological reason, that if labels sells cd for 5usd, most customers don't want to pay 12 euro for it. Just because feeling someone is ripping them off. When label sets price to 12usd, wholesales at 5usd and dealer sells for 12euro, everybody is happy. While some people think cheap price makes people buy stuff, I must say most often it might be that slightly higher price and suitable format enables wider distribution.

I may have mentioned before, but as single example, one could wonder how many copies of something like Human Larvae tapes sold to Japan? Being often editions of 100, one could suspect not that many. Then latest CD on Freak Animal, I guess close to 50 copies when there. Tape could never do it. CD priced on bargain level could not do either. Too expensive collectibles that have to be ordered at your own store couldn't either. What I am interested in, is not thinking how small scene must be, because there is not so much visible reactions. I would rather think how could all these thousands and thousands of people made aware of particular release or make it reachable for some of them. Of course not that huge amount of money was made with selling 50 CD's to Japan, but if one day, this artist goes to do gig in Tokyo and says wow, people knew my work and there was audience - that would be the real payment. Knowing that label was useful for artist, doing something what labels (in my opinion) should be doing.



Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: narcolepsia on September 27, 2022, 10:13:46 AM
absolutely, Mikko.

in some of these discussed topics, we were "thinking out loud", so, mostly raising questions to ourselves, doubts we share. it´s nice to have such an insightful reply from someone with much more experience in this particular topic.

I was of course not thinking of a context that requires proper studio and related costs. even costs with artwork, mastering etc are usually not that high, or can be easily negotiated, within the scope of my operation, but things aren´t always like that, of course.

also, I was thinking mostly of retail prices directly from the label. shops that carry some items and are a legit business have no other option than to raise prices in order to cover some legal costs etc and that is absolutely fine. I usually have some items in Matéria Prima, here in Portugal, and that is the case. it´s nice to have them in a brick and mortar shop and enable people a bit outside of the circuit to gain access to some of this stuff.

there was a funny episode there : we used a photo from a local older cult artist / photographer (Carlos Carreiro) in the cover of Morte Certa 5" in Poço Discos. (included his name there, of course, doing it in a DIY / tribute mentality, but never reached out to him. we didn´t even know how to do it). one day, his daughter went to the shop and found the record. she was really surprised with it, bought a few, got in touch with us via shop owner, and we even met personally and he was super cool about it and quite fascinated with how unlikely this whole situation was.

that is just a simple example to reinforce that idea : it is indeed what surrounds the whole transaction that makes for it. we all get so much more from this (or should, at least), than simply making a profit, or even covering costs.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Keruben on September 27, 2022, 01:35:57 PM
In my opinion, the actual investment is being able to help other artists with their releases. There are always hidden overhead costs that become pretty high when you don't only work with only friends. Even when you have a premises rent that is relatively expensive, this makes the work considerably more difficult. Of course, you experience this when you start to work more 'professional'. But I assume it takes a couple of years to find a solid foundation. All the profit we make in the future will go to other artists' releases, which is the actual "investment". To only think about money in this scene, it's better to go back to regular work and get some actual capital.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on September 27, 2022, 01:43:49 PM
I also think that within underground, most people are more than ready to give advice to place where to print, press, manufacture. Or, how to do it yourself. Where get supplies you need, and so on. There is pretty much no "trade secrets" so to say. Many times the "savings" tend to mean not calculating your own time and effort, though... Many times no matter how many advices and helpful links there would be, running "successful label" may be all about is someone sending out orders they get soon, within 1-2 days or taking 6 months to walk into post office.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Keruben on September 27, 2022, 02:10:47 PM
It is not acceptable to have to wait 6 months. Living next door to a post office is a great blessing, and it has helped a lot to get the business up and running. As a business policy, I take all shipments within 1 to 3 days. Unless it's like they're being made in production, apart from this autumn, two releases are made solely to help other artists I see deserve to get profit and have their releases spread across the world. I want to make the best of the releases, so 2 different artists are hired for this purpose. Worth to mention: for pretty high amounts of € for the artwork for the upcoming release. I could do everything by myself for free, but sometimes artistic vision is more important than materialistic needs.
 I will also try to help one of the artists with a European tour. Too many people are making "releases" that never get out for real; only a few copies get out to a public audience.
     By 2023, we have a plan to make everything even more professionalized. Have plans to create a regular cassette release at more humane prices. Something the scene is missing at the moment is: what has happened with all the compilations tapes? Sometimes it is hard to find new and promising artists because you don't know anything about the project, so the compilation tapes hint if the artists are good or not. I am not so fond of listening to Bandcamp and such because it kills the sound experience of the music. I have deleted all Bandcamps accounts I had 5 years ago, besides the one my friend has the password for, and he is pretty tricky to reach nowadays.

However, it is primarily the time aspect that is problematic at the moment from my subjective point of view. Have a dying family member and other mundane work that takes up all my waking time. So dubbing tapes in real time has not been an alternative this autumn. However, I have started investing in 3-head tape decks to release cassettes from different eras regularly in the future. The best of worlds would be to have 40 cassette decks connected in series, which is something I have in mind for the future. Who knows how things will go in the coming years? I also bought and tried out several cassette duplicators/cassette decks with some technical issues that I need to fix/repair when I have time. Newly manufactured cassette decks are not an option for our business, though. Sometimes it's like winning a lottery to get a decent tape deck. Let the treasure hunt begin.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Into_The_Void on October 02, 2022, 02:58:01 PM
Good one again. I guess longest thinking moments could be cut away to get faster pace... but in other hand, not in such a hurry, haha.. 

Excuse for long message cluttering WCN topic, but there is interesting thing what is mentioned, but no real conclusion made. Those who have not yet watched the episode, there is question about why CD would be 10-15 euro, while tape is more expensive to make, but can't be usually sold for high price. Prices used to be 5-7e. Now they are 7-9e. Some labels, more.

I think question of the prices of tapes vs prices of CD or records, is something where most tend to forget that price of format in general, is not only the manufacturing cost. In most music styles, there are A LOT of other costs involved in making album, where the actually price of pressing the CD, especially the disc itself, is the smallest. (...) If you send out bunch of freebies in hopes of review, or even sending out big box of royalties to overseas can add significant extra cost to CD, what isn't often calculated when you compare it with some self financed C-20...?

Absolutely. Actually - for my (very limited) experience of printing medias - making tapes in factory was before Covid definitely not more expensive than a CD (and smaller run were available for a sensibly less expensive price, while with professional glass CD was not possible), while the increase of cassettes retail price started actually way before covid.

I actually always wondered of the contrary - how is possible that some very limited home dubbed noise c-20 / c-40 sometimes reach the price of 9-12 EUR? I always put a lot of value in the overall professional manufacturing process for such short runs, still I find sometimes the price quite unappropriate.


Still, I am sometimes amazed when people would talk about "getting your money back". As that tends to often mean exactly that. Literally getting your money back. It seems more like need of evaluation what is money and what it is one really needs? There are some people, very few, who does it for legit work. They may need money back for sake of sustaining their operations. Pretty much everybody else seems to have strange new school attitude. Everything is commodity, and everything is for profit and money is what is key element in all. To me it seems exactly zeitgeist of the culture now, another topic they deal in WCN podcast. It could be good topic to dive further. To talk in what ways noise is alternative culture, if it gets trapped into operation that is 100% same as mainstream culture, just less successful?

Anyways, getting your money back, is often irrelevant. Money as means of exchange can be skipped. You get back experience, you get back spark to cultivate your creative urges. You get most often life time long friendships that inspire you into new things. Even putting together special tape release.. I would think most do it, just because it is somehow rewarding. To get the task done, as unpleasant and dull as it may have been, simply getting it done is getting something back. Just this summer I was talking to one kid, who father I know, who was insisting to get paid for chopping firewood. I asked him where comes this obsession of money? Don't you realize you get paid, in building muscles, growing motoric skills, stamina, experience all together, being respected for being useful. Money should be the most irrelevant of your needs. Opportunity to man up and not ask for hand outs.

This - and not only applied to the noise scene, however I would do a substantial distinction betwenn "having the money back" in sense of "be able to guarantee the financial survival in order to continue with said operations" (which doesn´t necessarily mean doing it for work, rather wanting to achieve better goals and, in order to being able to do that, cover the financial expenses - more or less like a cultural organisation/association or a collective does), and all the other ones.

More generally, I think there´s a relatively big plethora (the new school attitude you mentioned) of people involved or interested in underground musical activities (making musical releases, organizing shows, etc..) who don´t  actually really have the strive toward the "real goal" of underground art, which in my opinion is, in the music as well as in any other artistic environment, roughly resumable in: 1) urge to express something and 2) urge to channel it into some form of shape in order to 3) create a sort of "pack" with an experience of yours as "content". I can barely imagine that, if one "does it for the higher sake of doing it", one would be so obsessed in getting the "profit" back. Of course I take money for my artistic efforts too if I have been offered some, that´s not the point, rather the spirit one does the things with.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on October 02, 2022, 04:37:38 PM
Also one thing that makes significant difference in price, is if you put out your own stuff vs. if you make someone else's stuff, especially compilations. Back in the day, shipping didn't necessarily need to be even issue. You'd just sent out stuff. Now, if you'd make international compilation, and mail out copies to 10 artists, I would guess shipping of free copies might cost more than pressing the release? Many times one has no idea what all goes into costs of a release.

Even in case of tape. Someone may use cheapest bulk tape, highspeed dubbed. One buys best quality tape that can be found in 2022, and dubs 1:1 speed and checks dub levels of each copy. I would gladly pay little extra for the latter, regardless of manufacturing costs. Just for the extra attention and care.


In metal scene there used to be, and sometimes still is, weird thing called "trade points". Jewelbox CD being less of value than digipak CD, or LP being less value than gatefold cover LP. Or color vinyl vs black. Or someone asking 1 trade point more because LP has poster in it. As if spending 30cents per album really increases +25% of its value. While those costs are totally irrelevant, and could be evaluated only if you compare also printruns.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: WCN on October 03, 2022, 06:26:51 PM
Out now - WCN Podcast #36 with STEWART SKINNER!

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There will be no public episode next week, and possibly the week after, as I take some time off to handle some important life business. There will be WCN TV content for supporters in this time though. Now is really the time to support WCN Podcast if you aren't yet!

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Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on October 04, 2022, 08:57:35 AM
Really funny episode, where mr. Skinner keeps playing with Oskar all the time, just mixing all sorts of bizarre stories in middle of more serious talk. It seems there was some technical issues there, sound/pic sync and occasional disconnecting. Talking over eachother perhaps due the sound taking a bit to travel across the planet? But not bad. There is lot of talk there.

I was slightly puzzled about the discussion how we should get over "texture" in noise and get into something else. And then even more confused when Incapacitants and such were examples of non-textured noise. what?!? For me it feels like Incapacitants is just about all texture. No "rhythm", no composition, no edits, no... well you know the drill. But turns out, it gets explained later on what is meant by texture. In this case, it's "post The Rita noise". Walls of uniform texture. Tape side filled with single minded rumble. In that sense, yeah, Incapacitants actually has the human texture makers, who actively are knitting it together, but also ripping and shredding. So yeah. It was clarified.

But in other hand, I don't know is it american thing again, since when thinking European noise, is there much of texture noise there? Or is it more the internet problem? I think its been discussed in WCN podcast before, that online, you got everybody doing meme HNW. Probably no shortage of crackle studies and textures. When you look at the physical noise world, it feels like suddenly there is this guillotine of relevancy in place. "Artists" thinking, HNW meme may be funny, but not that funny that I'd be dubbing 50 tapes and mailing them out. And suddenly there is vastly more healthy and more creative level of noise, when material just has to be worth of time and money you need to spend. It's been almost inhumanly good noise tape year for 2022, and if anyone is going to be preparing "best of 2022" lists, I would assume the difficulty will not be can one find enough titles for top-5, but how to hell pick top 5 when even latest batch of one label may be have worthy of top-5!

Cheers for Industrial Recollections comment!
Occasionally people have said CD's are cheap, when they are almost just the original design and original graphic. With Govt Alpha, Monde Bruits, Black Leather Jesus etc stuff coming in near future, it felt like there just can not be any revisionism. What a desecration would be to change drastically cover envisioned by Akifumi Nakajima? Or coming up with some new front covers unrelated to originals? Change typography into something totally unrelated? Some would prefer new typesetting not scan of original tape, but I see releases as document of existing tape. Not remake. Ideally.  Black Leather Jesus CD, that it going to be sound you hear when you listen tape. Not remaster, not tweaked and boosted. Just the dirt it was. Cover format is digipak, but tape art I had, fit CD diameters perfectly. 




Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Baglady on October 04, 2022, 12:52:30 PM
Lovely episode! A joker, a smart guy and very restless - that's him. I can't speak for him 100%, but he is an artist that likes to do harsh noise in his own way, without having to partake in "the harsh noise community." He mentions Thomas DeAngelo (Crisis of Taste), Allen Mozek (Vitrine) and Jim Strong, and it's really from those circles he comes rather than the harsh noise scene - more experimental noise rather than NOISE noise, so to speak. That background naturally colors his way of doing harsh sounds, and what he seeks and takes to heart in his own listening.
He's fun and very inspiring yet demanding to work with - always 100 ideas running, out of which one may reach the finish line as an actual fully realized project/release, but that one thing is usually excellent in the end.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on October 04, 2022, 01:39:54 PM
One thing that was talked in couple episodes is that should you be pestering guy who has "retired" and try to lure him to... reissue? Interview? New stuff? Some opinions has been that you should just leave them alone. That's what was decided with for example S*Core. He did volunteer for interview, but for re-issuing stuff, it was firm no thanks as that creative vibe was past. Unfortunate, but got to respect that.

BUT, then we can see things like basically retired guys do make comeback. I believe RRR/Emil Beaulieau was pretty much -done-, long long time ago. Then that new wave of USA noise brought the new energy, suddenly massive touring, all sort of things and label was again back in business with massive energy.

Or story of Mortiis. Roger of CMI kept asking him year after year, please please play old Mortiis set for CMI fest, and not that goth rock stuff. Mortiis firmly says no thanks, until after multiple more requests and a bit more cash on the deal, and the rock line-up scattering around.. and suddenly, next time Roger asks, he says yes. And that lead him into playing ton of shows, creating all sorts of non goth rock recordings and so on. It was all matter of label boss making sure artist knows doors are open here, when you are in state of mind that you want to come.

I have had bunch of guys say firm no to making release or re-issue, only to later on contact me that they'd like to do something or offer exact release formerly considered not to be reissued.

I would think there is easy to see difference, that you should not be harassing old guys who just want to be left alone, but that is different thing than thinking that one badly formulated email or social media message, getting "no" in chaos of shitty work day, might not be THE final no. Just that if artists thought he has to go through horrible ordeal of digging through hours and hours of old releases, confusing discussions and end up with box of unsellable deadstock from teenage years.. so label with better offer that doesn't involve THAT, may get yes in some situation. Especially if life situation changed meanwhile.


 


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Theodore on October 05, 2022, 04:29:48 AM
Oskar, the idea of listing tops / recommendations in the description of the video is very good and would be very useful. Especialy for us with poor understanding of english, when unfamiliar / not well known artists are mentioned even a Discogs search doesnt help. Hans Krisen ? Smegma's guy project ? Mr. Skinner give that list please.


Title: Re: WHITE CENTIPEDE NOISE PODCAST
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on October 06, 2022, 03:47:42 PM
I was slightly puzzled about the discussion how we should get over "texture" in noise and get into something else. And then even more confused when Incapacitants and such were examples of non-textured noise. what?!? For me it feels like Incapacitants is just about all texture. No "rhythm", no composition, no edits, no... well you know the drill. But turns out, it gets explained later on what is meant by texture. In this case, it's "post The Rita noise". Walls of uniform texture. Tape side filled with single minded rumble. In that sense, yeah, Incapacitants actually has the human texture makers, who actively are knitting it together, but also ripping and shredding. So yeah. It was clarified.

It was, I think, but I did not take that as referring to a particularly uniform texture, even with The Rita namecheck. I read (or heard) it more as willingly resisting the crunch-splosive textural impetus of an (supposed) "easy" tape saturation. If so, I would get that. Would more than get that, even if I'm a quintessential sucker for the most textured textural texture this side of crrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrunch central. There's a lot more I could say on this but will refrain for the moment except to say, goddamn, just loved the A.S.M. love.