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Title: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on March 25, 2011, 09:29:35 AM
Since somebody mentioned Balestrini's works regarding the autonomous left, I think it is time we start sharing our knowledge on the subject.
Unfortunately most of the best books regarding the Italian civil war called "the lead years" are in Italian language and latest researches of people like uGo Maria Tassinari, debunked many myths regarding many holy cows of those years.

An excellent starting point on the subject is this

(http://www.misteriditalia.it/chi-siamo/achepuntoelanotte-ok.jpg)

Two journalists, one left wing, the other right wing, rebuild the whole process until the early years 2000.
Not my favourite book on the subject, but definitely a good start for newcomers.



Title: Re: CIVIL WAR - TERRORISM - POLITICAL WARFARE (books and docs)
Post by: davenpdx on March 25, 2011, 10:32:06 AM
Interesting topic. My knowledge on this matter is rather limited, especially as I don't have good Italian. I'm wondering what sort of debunking Ugo Maria Tassinari has done, would you explain briefly in a sentence or two? I did a search and ran some stuff through Google Translate, he seems to be on the radical-/far- Right and particularly hostile towards antifa, is that a fair characterization?

The book whose cover you posted seems as though it could be interesting--wish my language skills were better...

I think that Balestrini's The Unseen (Gli invisibili) does a fairly good job of capturing some of what it must have felt like for some young people on the far-Left during this period. First and foremost, it is good writing. I think it was Verso that brought out the English edition; for those who read Italian, the novel is here:
http://www.nannibalestrini.it/invisibili/invisibili.htm

One book that I found really interesting was Leonardo Sciascia's piece on the Moro kidnapping, which argued that some Christian Democrats were rather less-than-eager to actually find and save their party's president. The English version is simply titled The Moro Affair and was released in a nice paperback edition by the New York Review of Books classics series in 2004. In general I enjoy Sciascia as a writer as well--many of his novels are in print in good English translations.

I am interested in recommendations about books on state involvement with certain acts of "terror"/"struggle"--both terms are loaded, perhaps I should just write "violence"--as well as state manipulation of groups on either the far-Left and far-Right. I'm interested in conspiracy theory only to the extent that, at certain points during these years, conspiracies may be somewhat plausible as partial explanations. I'm not interested in stuff that is just retroactive excuse-making coming from whatever political sphere, be that Left, Right or Center. 
 
Interested in what others may recommend (of course with a vested interest in stuff that's in print in English.)


Title: Re: CIVIL WAR - TERRORISM - POLITICAL WARFARE (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on March 25, 2011, 10:46:35 AM
Ugo Maria Tassinari is a communist journalist who has been focussing is work on far right/neo-fascism, maniacally reconstructing facts and accessing to an enormous amount of documentation.
His books fascisteria, guerrieri and naufraghi are the most in depths works on the subject ever released in Italy, making substantial differences between the different waves and movements that were not working as a whole.
His grudges with -some- antifas is due to the fact that his research method included talking with fascism which in Italy is seen as a capital sin.

On the left side one of the best books I have read is Renato Curcio's LA MAPPA (the map), that is an extensive collection of communist victims of the lead years. Curcio was the mastermind of the first era Red Brigades.

Balestrini work is top notch. Try to see if you can find anything by mr Primo Moroni, Milan based anarchiest, sadly deceased some years ago, who has been at the center of any counterculture in MIlan. His book L'ORDA, The Horde, is the nicest portait of left wing movements between the 60s and the 70s.

Sciascia was at a different level. He was not linked to "alternative" culture, yet he's been linked to some lefties parties. Possibly one of the best "pens" we ever had.

Conspiracy led most of our 70's mass carnages and political decisions. When talking about conspiracy I mean the enormous pressure the US had in our ranks, and not reptilian/zog fairy tales.


Title: Re: CIVIL WAR - TERRORISM - POLITICAL WARFARE (books and docs)
Post by: ConcreteMascara on March 25, 2011, 07:55:43 PM
Perhaps this older thread should be merged here?

http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=800.0


Title: Re: CIVIL WAR - TERRORISM - POLITICAL WARFARE (books and docs)
Post by: davenpdx on March 25, 2011, 08:42:45 PM
tiny_tove, thanks for the correction, my bad. Big difference between writing about something and advocating for it!

Both of those other suggestions seem really good. A friend of mine does occasional translation from Italian; I may see if he's interested in that Primo Moroni book.

Yes, NATO operations and US Cold War influence are certainly a big part of the story. I'm definitely interested in level-headed evaluations of this sort of stuff...

ConcreteMascara, while I certainly think that the German experience and the Red Army Faction are interesting topics--and there definite thematic similarities--I think that there can stand to be two threads. The Italian situation was much more complicated and multifaceted, particularly as there was at the same time the neo-fascist actions of "armed spontaneity" etc. So not blurring the two topics could be good (though I'd be interested if the other thread was revitalized, too.)

What are the best books about the Italian extreme-Right of this period? Materials by the aforementioned Ugo Maria Tassinari?


Title: Re: CIVIL WAR - TERRORISM - POLITICAL WARFARE (books and docs)
Post by: Strömkarlen on March 26, 2011, 03:34:41 PM
Ahh, my kind of topic! To bad my Italian only consists of the most rudimentary words i.e. I do know how to order beer and coffé in Italy but that is about it.

I always wondered about what the Italians thought about Sanguettis's book "On Terrorism and the State"? The English translation is pretty awful and I struggled to read it all the way through when I went through my Situationist years.

Good books but slightly of topic that I've revisited lately are In Banks We Trust by Penny Lernoux and Their Kingdom Come by Robert Hutchison.

Both ties into the whole  Banco Ambrosiano scandal both from different angles. In Banks We Trust the Latin American angle and Their Kingdom Come the Opus Dei angle. Both wind up with the CIA and right-wing terror i.e. my pet obsessions.



Title: Re: CIVIL WAR - TERRORISM - POLITICAL WARFARE (books and docs)
Post by: Nil By Mouth on March 26, 2011, 03:56:24 PM
In this last years Italy bookstores was surrounded by tons of books about right/left extremism (prima linea, NAR, Brigate rosse), peoples biographies (Curcio, Concutelli, Fioravanti), undercover stories (Gladio? Juno Valerio Borghese?). Often some editors inaugurated book series about this, just thinking about Sperling&Kupfer, they released "Anni di piombo" of the already mentioned authors Provvisionato and Baldoni. Another classic is "La notte della repubblica" of Sergio Zavoli. Great and powerful are also "A mano armata - Vita violenta di Giusva Fioravanti" and expecially "Io, l'uomo nero", respectively about Giusva Fioravanti (maybe anyone Edwife Fenech fans see him younger on "Grazie nonna"?) and Pierluigi Concutelli.

Italy postwar periods are full of strong, powerful and exciting stories. A pity that the almost whole bibliography are not translated in english


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on March 28, 2011, 01:04:49 PM
I have changed title.
I will post contribution this evening or tomorrow at the latest.
Aldo, "A mano armata" is an excellent book that whover is interested in the most violent moments of those years should read, but it is more a true crime book than an in depth political source.
It describres pretty well the atmosphere and how a middle class boy can become a killing machine, but there is not much analysis.
More about the subject later.


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on April 07, 2011, 10:55:16 AM
So I have finally found some time to answer regarding this.
>>>Yes, NATO operations and US Cold War influence are certainly a big part of the story. I'm definitely interested in level-headed evaluations of this sort of stuff...

The whole NATO thing has surely been one of the leading problems that led to the escalation of violence at subtle level. But you have to keep in mind that this should not distract by the fact that there were many actors at play and situations were really complicated.
The PCI was the biggest communist party in the Western world. This scared many countries, apart from the Democratic Christians, the whole western block felt the dangerous too close.
The Pci  was much more liberal than the Eastern block and was mostly gathering workers who weren’t craving to live in a absolutist country like URRS, yet was facing inner contradictions AND STILL HAVING STRONG ties to the KGB (Putin himself was living in Italy around the time).

The radical left was a mix of tendencies that included pacifists, the autonomous left, ideological groups advocating political struggle in a cultural way and others interested in different levels of armed struggle (Prima Linea and the Red Brigades that, in my opinion, were the most sophisticated and had very interesting leaders, like Renato Curcio).

The right was completely alike. You had the MSI, the official right wing party, formed after the war, started as a nostalgic group of leftovers of the old RSI (many of which instead joined the PCI after an invitation from Togliatti. People like Nobel prize Dario Fo, Eugenio Scalfari, Roberto Bocca and Pietro Ingraio, where either RSI volunteer soldiers or journalists for magazines as “The defence of the Race”) to become one of the leading parties, precious for the Democratic Christians to loan votes, etc. The MSI definitely had an orthodox fascist base, especially in the youth groups, but for a long-time have been filo-American, with pro-Zionist elements (while youth organisation FDG was pro-palestine) and, despite the past, definitely conservative, while most groups of the radical right were shifting into a revolutionary approach. Exactly as in the extreme left, there were different groups and individuals acting differently and following the most diverse ideas/philosophies, from the street fighters of San Babila, to the intellectuals of the so-called New Right that organised the Campi Hobbit and invested into metapolitics, from strict anti-Communist groups allegedly in contact with the secret services, to the Third Position, quite different in stances and philosophy from what it is called Third Position now that saw America/Nato as enemies and not allies against communism.

When talking about those years it is important to keep in mind that there was a left or a right that could be considered as a whole. Although there were collaborations or people shifting from one movement to another (even turning from left to right and viceversa, as Curcio who as a kid used to be part of Jean Thiriart’s Jeune Europe to then start the Red Brigades. Although Jeune Europe had national-bolshevic stances that could start another discussion). So when talking about the Red Brigades you are not necessarily considering the thoughts of other groups that never spilled one drop of blood, the same goes with the NAR, who were fighting their war almost as leaderless resistance group, differently by other groups that were fighting in the street for turf control, but were more ideological and worked in perspective on another form of society, although some of the other groups joined the NARs or just shared fights during bank robberies.
Regarding the bombs. I think in the next years we will witness many changes in history regarding this. New documents, new witnesses, more in depth researches are showing reality as a bit more complicated. Especially the Bologna bomb. Several left wing journalists wrote books claiming that the NAR were scapegoats, something the radical right always stated. Consider that the key witnesses of the trial were Angelo Izzo (a goon/rapist who killed at least 3 persons, serial killer who has been getting many advantages during his jail time thanks to his testimonies), or Sparti, a forger whose son recently said that his dad was boasting about making everything up, etc. Carlos –the Jackal- recent interviews give a completely different version of the whole story, and then we have secret services, freemasons, etc.

I think next years are going to be very interesting.
I will check for the Carlos interview during lunch break and post it.
My personal idea regarding the whole subject is irrelevant and vague. At the moment I am pretty excited by the pact between state and mafia to end up the bombings of the late 80’s early 90’s. This is something even more complicated.
There are also rumours regarding THE RING, allegedly Andreotti’s secret society that was even more hidden than Gladio (Cossiga’s anti-Communist organisation that included many militaries), some very intense documentation regarding the involvement of some big names of the Red Brigades in international CIA baked spy networks and last, but not least, the PCI high ranks already knowing details about several bombings. I think that many pages we know about those years are going to be deleted and confirming things we already know and with some  news nobody ever imagined.

Regarding books start with these:
Ugo Maria Tassinari: Fascisteria, Guerrieri and Naufraghi. Check also the DVD “Tutti I colori del nero”, featuring interviews with several leading characters of the old and new radical right, talking mostly about culture. There is an in depth interview regarding jail with Mario Tuti.
Nicola Rao: La fiamma e la celtica. 60 years of post fascism, with extensive interviews. Best part is the one with Maurizio Murelli and the San Babila’s years. Murelli is the person behind ORION, a now defunct magazine that was featuring also left wing and Islamic articles.
Renato Curcio – The Map – Massive work regarding left wing deaths during the lead years. Possibly the best book regarding the people behind it.
Primo Moroni – L’Orda – Everything you need to know about the left wing side of those years
Regarding fascism/secret services check ATTACCO ALLA DEMOCRAZIA by Giuliano Montaldo. Back then it was quite documented, but now several things said in the documentary have changed. But still an amazingly done documentary with plenty of impressive images.
As said somewhere else don’t miss the ORCHESTRE NOIR documentaries, featuring long interviews with Delle Chiaie.

as usual sorry for mispells


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: Nil By Mouth on April 07, 2011, 12:36:50 PM
Nice analysis and informations, thanks Depla. By the way, last sunday I have find an used copy of "La notte più lunga della repubblica", written by the already mentioned Provvisionato and Baldoni


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on April 07, 2011, 03:28:37 PM
an excerpt from the Corriere della Sera interview to Carlos, there were further words regarding the subject dated 2009/2010, but I can't find them at the moment. obviously what he says is not necessarily true.

(http://viadellebelledonne.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/strage-bologna1.jpg)

'Carlos the Jackel' Blames CIA, Mossad, for Deadly 1980 Bombing

The 1980 bombing of Bologna's main train station was orchestrated by the CIA and the Mossad to 'punish Rome' for its tolerance of Palestinian guerilla groups. According to this interview from Italy's Corriere della Sera, the notorious Cold-War terrorist 'Carlos the Jackel' claims that leftists like his Communist Revolutionary Internationalist Movement were framed for crimes by neo-fascists 'manipulated' into committing them.

From our correspondent Paolo Biondani

Translated By Enrico Del Sero

November 23, 2005
Original Article (Italian)    

Ilic Ramirez Sanchez, Also Known as Carlos the Jackal
READ: More About 'The Jackal'

PARIS: Ilic Ramirez Sanchez, also known as "Carlos the Jackal," is jailed in the historic Le SantÈ prison [France], and denies any complicity or connivance in the (1980) Bologna massacre.

Being a top-security prisoner, the only person he can speak to is Mr. Sandro Clementi, his Italian lawyer. In the morning he spends over three hours analyzing and comparing dozens of attacks and concludes that the "Mitrokhin Commission wants to falsify history," as armed Marxist groups "never organized indiscriminate massacres," but always attacked "well-identified enemies or traitors."

According to Carlos, the August 2, 1980 massacre (85 victims) was not only "performed by young neo-fascists," but "organized by the CIA and Mossad" in order to "punish and subdue Rome."

In other words, [the attack] was a "reprisal" against our [Italy's] policy of tolerance toward Palestinian terrorist groups (in exchange for their commitment not to attack Italy). The train station bombing, then, should be attributed to a secret war between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R., the two sides battling one another through opposing terrorist and intelligence networks.

According to Carlos, what best confirms this is the very presence of Thomas Kram, the person who, according to Mitrokhin commissioners, allowed a new line of investigation involving the left in the bombing.

A Photo of Ilic 'Jackal' Ramirez Sanchez From Last Year.

[Editor's Note: The Revolutionary Internationalist Movement (RIM)[READ MORE] is an international Communist organization which upholds Marxism-Leninism-Maoism. Carlos the Jackel is said to be the founder of the group. Recently discovered documents confirmed that one day before the attack in Bologna, Thomas Kram, a German citizen, at the time aged 32, who was thought to be a member of the RIM, stayed at a hotel in the center of Bologna the night before the bombing.]

That is, Kram's presence is evidence that could deny the sentences of two right-wing Roman terrorists, Valerio Fioravanti and Francesca Mambro [for the Bologna Bombing]. In answer to the questions we asked of him, "Carlos" dictated four long pages in Italian. He then spent four hours proofreading and editing them. Finally, he dated and signed them.

Corriere della Sera: When, by whom and what have you known about the Bologna massacre?

From Corriere della Sera[Click for Larger Version]

Carlos the Jackel: We have always been convinced that it was organized by the American and Israeli services, they are the true "lords of the black terror" in Italy. A while after the massacre, I received a written report from West Germany. It is very important and should still be in the archives of our Revolutionary Internationalist Movement (RIM). The report said that a German fellow had left the station a few seconds before the explosion took place. I recalled his name, Thomas Kram, in reading the Corriere. He was a communist and a teacher from Bochum [Germany], who had taken refuge in Perugia [Italy]. The day before the massacre he was in Rome, tailed by secret agents who also followed him onto a train to Bologna. Kram only carried a plastic bag with personal belongings, but had he died in the attack, it would have been very easy to blame him for everything that happened.

Corriere della Sera: Was Kram one of your men? Do you know whether the night before the massacre he stayed at the Centrale hotel in Bologna?

Carlos the Jackel: Kram has never been a member of the RIM. You should ask him whether he stayed in Bologna that night and why. I don't know.

Corriere della Sera: Do you know Abu Saleh Anzeh?

Soldier Handles an Srela Missile, Prevalent in the Late 1960s.

Carlos the Jackel: Saleh Abu Anzeh is by now known, after 30 years, as the one who represents the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) in Italy. The PFLP was the mother organization to us, to which we were connected through political and personal relationships.

Corriere della Sera: Do you know about threats from Palestine against Italy after the arrest of Saleh, together with Daniele Pifano of the Autonomous Movement, due to the Strela Missiles found on November 7, 1979 in Ortona?

Carlos the Jackel: That was just a logistical transport through Italy, and the arrests were a provocation by enemy agents inside the Italian services. The PFLP didn't need to take action against Italy and always observed bilateral agreements. Saleh was maintaining official contacts with the Italian civil and military services.

Corriere della Sera: What do you think about Mambro and Fioravanti's final sentence?

[Editor's Note: Neo-fascists Valerio Fioravanti and Francesca Mambro were convicted for executing the bombings in Bologna].

Carlos the Jackel: My idea is that, if they are guilty, somebody was backing them up. Somebody able to manipulate young neo-fascists. As happened with regard to Piazza Fontana [another bombing]. The fact that they never spoke, though, leads me to believe they are innocent.

Jaques Chirac: A Narrow Escape

Corriere della Sera: You are serving a life sentence for having killed two French policemen, but are still under investigation for two train bombings: 5 victims on March 29, 1982 and 2 victims on December 31, 1983.Ý

Carlos the Jackel: I have nothing to do with the train bombings, which is confirmed by the judicial acts themselves. The first bombing [March, 1982] was planted behind Jacques Chirac's chair, whom we [RIM] supported from 1974 until 1998. I never made an attempt on Chirac's life. And the second bomb was definitely part of the confession of Talbi, a mercenary [French] legionnaire.

Corriere della Sera: Would you undergo an interrogation by Italian magistrates?

Carlos the Jackel: It must be clear that I am not a police informer and would never denounce political militants. But I am quick to testify against all kinds of traitors.


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on April 07, 2011, 03:33:20 PM
Will the Bologna Investigation be Re-opened to Identify the Real Perpetrators of the Massacre and the Atrocities of The Strategy of Tension?

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Former left-wing activist, and current spokesman for the Pdl government coalition in Italy, Daniele Capezzone, publicly called for the investigation into the Bologna Bombing to be re-opened on the 29th anniversary of the horrific massacre that shook Italy and the whole of Europe on August 2nd, 1980.
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl...ambro%26hl%3Den

Capezzone expressed what many people of all political persuasions believe about the terrorist atrocity and the events surrounding it when he stated that there are still "serious doubts" relating to the facts surrounding the massacre, and the guilt of those convicted for directly carrying out the bombing.

Capezzone stated that "The reconstructed in judgments leaves doubts heavy, and I think justified, in many of us. The 'dogma' of the fascist massacre seems rather an assumed ideological convenience for many, but certainly does not seem a convincing truth."

The call for the investigation to be fully re-opened comes at a time when Valerio Fioravanti, the leader of the armed gang that was immediately blamed for planting the bomb, has just been released from prison after 29 years.

Fioravanti and fellow NAR activist Francesca Mambra, whom was also convicted on the same charge and whom he later married in prison, have always denied any involvement in the Bologna massacre whilst at the same time readily admitting to a number of killings and robberies of banks and arms depots.

In April 2007 Luigi Ciavardini, who has always stated that Fioravanti and Mambro were with him in Treviso when the bombing took place in Bologna, was also given final sentence, after a long appeals process lasting many years, to 30 years imprisonment for planting the bomb in Bologna. Incredibly, the conviction is based on absolutely no evidence other than hearsay.

The Bologna massacre became the climax of a period known in Italy as "the years of lead".

After the destruction of Italy during the Second World War the United States found that they had created a situation where Italy was in serious danger of becoming a Communist satellite State allied to the Soviet Union.

In a long-term strategic response known as Operation Gladio, the US and NATO began to organise underground guerrilla cells and secret arms depots facilitated by the P2 Masonic Lodge and Italian crime syndicates.

A destabilisation campaign was orchestrated that resulted in kidnappings, assassinations and bombings involving the Red Brigades on the one hand, and CIA/P2/crime syndicate sponsored cells on the other, which were blamed generically on 'neo-fascists'.

The 'Strategy of Tension', as it has come to be known, also resulted inevitably in widespread tit for tat violence on the streets and in the schools between young anarchists/communists and nationalists.

A few of these street groups, from both sides, degenerated into little more than armed criminal gangs. It is to one of these groups, Nuclei Armati Rivoluzionari (NAR), to which the blame for the Bologna Bombing massacre was immediately attributed by the powers-that-be.

The result was a vicious mass round-up of hundreds of young nationalists, the vast majority of whom had been engaged in purely political actions opposed to both left and right wings of the System. Beatings, tortures, imprisonments without trial and murders in custody were the order of the day.

The investigations and trials relating to the Bologna massacre and the surrounding events of those years eventually determined that the head of the P2 Masonic Lodge, Licio Gelli, and General Pietro Musumeci, Second-in-Command of the Italian Military Intelligence Secret Service (SISMI), as well as SISMI operatives Francesco Pazienza and Giuseppe Belmonte, had fabricated evidence against a number of young nationalists in order to tie them in with the Bologna terrorist outrage and similar atrocities.


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: davenpdx on April 19, 2011, 06:36:12 AM
Finally got around to reading the new posts on this... Thanks for the lengthy overview post, tiny_tove! I agree that this whole era is complex, and would not argue that anything should be reduced to one single factor such as NATO influence, etc...

I found the Carlos interview to be interesting, but not because I think his allegations are correct--more because it's interesting in itself  that this is what he's presently saying... I would need to see a significant amount of additional corroborating evidence, before giving his claims much credence. Still, certainly relevant to the discussion here...

The New Right metapolitical figures who organized Campi Hobbit were mentioned briefly. I am interested in the European New Right, although I do not identify with it. I'm wondering what sort of influence its Italian figures had during this period. Despite the New Right "metapolitical" orientation, did they overlap with people actively pursuing a narrower political vision? What about those engaged in political violence from the Right? Who were the big names? Did the Italian figures have theories that set them apart from the better-known figures of the New Right in France?

Strömkarlen mentions Sanguinetti/"Censor" and On Terrorism and the State. I have never heard particularly good things about this work, but I may have to finally read through it some day. I remember hearing that some Italian anarchists were upset that both "Censor" and some of Debord's most conspiracy-based writings, got included in the Autonomia:Post-Political Politics volume published by Semiotext(e)--my recollection (which could be wrong) is that they felt that some sincere revolutionaries were being defamed by Sanguinetti and Debord, or that things were being reduced too much to a conspiracy script... (Not to deny that there were many conspiracies at the time, several historically significant...) By the way, it's likely that there's a .pdf of that Semiotext(e) book floating about on the web for those who want to search for it...


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on April 20, 2011, 02:21:28 PM
I will get deeper in to that as soon as possible.

In the meantime, regarding the Italian Novelle Droite, check this interview to Marco Tarchi, one of the founders of that area. He used to run La Voce della Fogna, a cultural publication that was both cultural and satirical and was not always appreciated by the heads of the MSI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVpzBF233XM&feature=player_embedded


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: m. on June 14, 2011, 11:19:24 AM
some very intense documentation regarding the involvement of some big names of the Red Brigades in international CIA baked spy networks and last, but not least, the PCI high ranks already knowing details about several bombings. I think that many pages we know about those years are going to be deleted and confirming things we already know and with some  news nobody ever imagined.

Sergio Flamigni books on Kaos Edizioni? are they worth buying?


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on June 17, 2011, 04:10:17 PM
haven't read them! yet I am not always a keen fan of Kaos. some books were plain smear campaigns, although their books on padre Pio and the early Berlusconi books were classics!


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on July 21, 2011, 01:10:40 PM
Ritengo ci sono tutti gli elementi per fare ulteriori indagini''
Moro, Imposimato: un 'commando' era pronto a salvarlo. Ma il blitz fu annullato
Aldo Moro (Adnkronos) Aldo Moro (Adnkronos)
ultimo aggiornamento: 21 luglio, ore 12:39
Roma - (ESCLUSIVA ADNKRONOS) - Ferdinando Imposimato, in qualità di legale di Maria Fida Moro, parte offesa nel processo sulla strage di via Fani e il sequestro e l'omicidio di Aldo Moro, si oppone alla richiesta di archiviazione: ''Esiste una denuncia fatta da un brigadiere della Guardia di Finanza che appare persona attendibile''. Maria Fida Moro: mandanti omicidio guardino nella loro coscienza


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Roma, 21 lug. (ESCLUSIVA ADNKRONOS) - "Un 'commando' era pronto a liberare Moro. Ma all'ultimo minuto è arrivato l'ordine di abbandonare l'operazione". Lo dice all'ADNKRONOS Ferdinando Imposimato, dal 1978 al 1984 giudice istruttore del processo Moro.

Un piano militare per liberare Aldo Moro. Avevano deciso di intervenire l'8 o il 9 maggio del 1978. Si erano preparati a fare un blitz dopo aver ispezionato l'appartamento di sopra a quello in cui era prigioniero lo statista. Ma un contrordine, arrivato all'ultimo momento, blocca l'operazione in via Montalcini n. 8. Una pista che sembrerebbe legare il caso Moro all'organizzazione Gladio.

Ferdinando Imposimato, ora, in qualità di legale di Maria Fida Moro, parte offesa nel processo sulla strage di via Fani e il sequestro e l'omicidio di Aldo Moro, ucciso dalle Brigate Rosse il 9 maggio 1978, si oppone alla richiesta di archiviazione, chiedendo la prosecuzione delle indagini. ''La verità sul caso Moro è più vicina -spiega all'ADNKRONOS Imposimato- e vogliamo conoscerla, anche per onorare la memoria dei martiri di via Fani. Senza paura e con fiducia nella giustizia. Ma non c'è giustizia senza verità. La vicenda Moro si riapre perché esiste una denuncia fatta da un brigadiere della Guardia di Finanza, G.L., che appare persona attendibile. E' stato militare dei bersaglieri presso il Battaglione Valbella, di stanza ad Avellino, insieme ad altri 40 commilitoni. Una parte di questi fu portato a Roma, con lo scopo di liberare un 'importante uomo politico'. Questo accadeva durante il sequestro Moro, dopo il 20 aprile 1978, data in cui i militari del 'commando' sarebbero arrivati a Roma''. ''Quando ho letto la denuncia che mi fu consegnata dallo stesso brigadiere il 7 ottobre 2008 -ricostruisce l'ex magistrato esperto di trame- in presenza di altri due sottufficiali inviati da un colonnello della Finanza di Novara, sono rimasto perplesso, data la gravità delle affermazioni del brigadiere, e ho detto che senza avere dei riscontri al suo racconto, quella storia non poteva essere credibile. Spiegai loro che non ero in grado di fare una verifica, anche perché -mi fu riferito dal sottufficiale- nel frattempo il Valbella era 'scomparso', smantellato. Penso che questo Battaglione Valbella poteva essere una struttura di Gladio. Ritengo ci sono tutti gli elementi per fare ulteriori indagini, oltre quelle svolte puntalmente dalla procura della Repubblica di Roma e dalla procura di Novara''.

In quella sede, spiega ancora Imposimato, ''sottolineai anche che bisognava identificare i commilitoni che secondo il brigadiere avevano partecipato alla missione nella capitale. Ho quindi consegnato la denuncia al procuratore aggiunto della Repubblica di Roma, Pietro Saviotti, il 20 novembre 2008, per chiedere una verifica delle circostanze riferite dall'uomo. Ho chiesto che il brigadiere G.L. fosse sentito e di essere informato in caso di una eventuale archiviazione. Allo stesso tempo ho cercato, tra altri atti di cui ero venuto in possesso regolarmente, riguardanti un'altra richiesta di archiviazione disposta dal gip, eventuali conferme o smentite al racconto del sottufficiale della Guardia di Finanza. E ho letto anche gli atti della commissione stragi riguardanti l'inchiesta su Gladio''. ''Ho poi esaminato gli atti -spiega l'ex giudice- regolarmente da me acquisiti su autorizzazione del gip di Roma, che riguardavano sia la vicenda di Pierluigi Ravasio, ex carabiniere paracadutista, che prima aveva parlato, per poi ritrattare, di un mancato intervento per impedire il sequestro Moro, e del colonnello Camillo Guglielmi, presente in via Fani la mattina del 16 marzo '78. Ho analizzato anche i documenti che riguardavano Nino Arconte, che aveva compiuto una speciale missione per andare in Libano e prendere contatti con un agente speciale, in vista della liberazione di Moro. Arconte ha prodotto un documento che è stato ritenuto falso dagli investigatori, ma che io invece reputo fondamentale sottoporre a una perizia tecnico-grafica per stabilirne l'autenticità o meno''. ''Altro elemento che ho acquisito -rimarca il legale di Maria Fida Moro- riguarda la presenza a Roma della Sas, Special Air Force inglese, durante il sequestro dello statista della Democrazia cristiana. Secondo Francesco Cossiga, allora ministro dell'Interno, doveva essere impiegato per la liberazione di Moro. Un riscontro alle dichiarazioni del brigadiere della Guardia di Finanza, che non può aver tratto questa ricostruzione dal mio libro 'Doveva morire. Chi ha ucciso Aldo Moro. Il racconto di un giudice', né può aver preso dagli atti dei processi che non fanno in alcun modo riferimento alla presenza di agenti inglesi nella vicenda Moro''.

''Il brigadiere G.L. -spiega Imposimato- viene a sapere che la sua presenza a Roma, insieme ad altri militari, anche stranieri, era finalizzata alla liberazione di questo 'importante uomo politico'. A Roma questa presenza si protrae per 15-20 giorni. Era stato loro detto che l'operazione doveva essere fatta l'8 o il 9 maggio 1978, e avevano capito che lì c'era Moro. Anzi, uomini di questo 'commando' erano stati anche portati in via Montalcini, in un altro edificio vicino a quello in cui era stata individuata la prigione del politico Dc''. Il sottufficiale, sottolinea l'ex giudice, ''sostiene di aver visto anche la famiglia che abitava nell'appartamento sovrastante quello in cui era prigioniero Moro. Ma l'8 maggio arriva un 'ordine superiore': il blitz viene annullato e tutti gli agenti e i militari devono tornare nelle strutture di origine''. La cosa non è indolore: ''Nel momento in cui i militari vengono a sapere che l'operazione era stata annullata -spiega Imposimato- hanno una reazione perché avrebbero voluto liberare l'ostaggo. Fu detto loro di dimenticare quello che era successo. E calò il silenzio su tutto''. Ma ''non è finita'', incalza l'ex giudice. ''A mio avviso -spiega- bisogna eliminare qualunque tipo di segreto di Stato sulla vicenda. Un segreto che, invece, è stato posto dall'autorità militare all'elenco dei commilitoni del brigadiere. Occorre poi interrogare gli altri uomini del 'commando', nel contraddittorio delle parti, come previsto dall'articolo 6 della Convenzione europea dei diritti dell'uomo e dall'art. 111 della Costituzione. E bisogna sentire anche tutti i vertici di Gladio per conoscere la sua reale struttura, e se sia possibile che di essa abbiano fatto parte soldati dell'esercito o di altre forze armate, oltre agli agenti del Sismi''.

''L'obiettivo -rimarca Imposimato- è capire se era possibile salvare Moro durante la sua prigionia, con un blitz analogo a quello che scattò per liberare il generale Dozier, senza cedere al ricatto delle Brigate Rosse''. ''Ero e sono d'accordo -precisa l'ex giudice- con la linea della fermezza e con quello che ha detto il Presidente Cossiga, ma prova di maggior fermezza sarebbe stato intervenire 'manu militari' per liberare Moro''. ''E' questa -rimarca il legale di Maria Fida Moro- la pagina che manca e che la famiglia dello statista e direi tutta l'Italia, attende di conoscere per sgomberare il campo da ogni dubbio su quella che, per dirla con il Presidente Ciampi, è stata la più grande tragedia che ha colpito il Paese dalla nascita della Repubblica''. E a chi gli chiede perché Moro doveva morire, Imposimato replica: ''Perché il suo progetto politico era in contrasto con la strategia dell'America e dell'Unione Sovietica. Gli americani non potevano accettare un governo con i comunisti né i sovietici consentire il dialogo comunisti-cattolici, perché questo avrebbe scardinato il 'modello' dell'Est''.

A distanza di 33 anni dall'omicidio Moro, conclude Imposimato, ''bisogna avere il coraggio di accettare degli aspetti che non erano conosciuti dagli inquirenti al tempo delle indagini. Ma ora la verità è più vicina''.


sorry for italian.


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on July 10, 2012, 11:35:12 AM
'Così torturavamo i brigatisti'
di Pier Vittorio Buffa (05 aprile 2012)


Salvatore Genova Salvatore Genova Dopo qualche giorno l'interrogatorio decisivo che ci porterà alla liberazione di Dozier, quello del br Ruggero Volinia e della sua compagna, Elisabetta Arcangeli.

Io sono fuori per degli arresti e quando rientro in questura vado all'ultimo piano. Qui, separati da un muro, perché potessero sentirsi ma non vedersi, ci sono Volinia e la Arcangeli. Li sta interrogando Fioriolli, ma sarei potuto essere io al suo posto, probabilmente mi sarei comportato allo stesso modo. Il nostro capo, Improta, segue tutto da vicino. La ragazza è legata, nuda, la maltrattano, le tirano i capezzoli con una pinza, le infilano un manganello nella vagina, la ragazza urla, il suo compagno la sente e viene picchiato duramente, colpito allo stomaco, alle gambe. Ha paura per sé ma soprattutto per la sua compagna. I due sono molto uniti, costruiranno poi la loro vita insieme, avranno due figlie.

E' uno dei momenti più vergognosi di quei giorni, uno dei momenti in cui dovrei arrestare i miei colleghi e me stesso. Invece carico insieme a loro Volinia su una macchina, lo portiamo alla villetta per il trattamento. Lo denudiamo, legato al tavolaccio subisce l'acqua e sale e dopo pochi minuti parla, ci dice dove è tenuto prigioniero il generale Dozier. Il blitz è un successo, prendiamo tutti e cinque i terroristi e li portiamo nella caserma della Celere di Padova. Ciascuno in una stanza, legato alle sedie, bendato, due donne e tre uomini. Tra loro Antonio Savasta che inizierà a parlare quasi subito, e proprio con me, consentendoci di fare centinaia di arresti.

Ma le violenze non finiscono con la liberazione del generale. Il clima è surriscaldato. Tutti sanno come abbiamo fatto parlare Volinia e scatta l'imitazione, il "mano libera per tutti". Un gruppo di poliziotti della celere, che si autodefinisce Guerrieri della notte, quando noi non ci siamo, va nelle stanze dove sono i cinque brigatisti e li picchia duramente. Un ufficiale della celere, uno di quei giorni, viene da me chiedendomi se può dare una ripassata a "quello stronzo", riferendosi a Cesare Di Lenardo, l'unico dei cinque che non collabora con noi. Io non gli dico di no e inizia in quell'attimo la vicenda che ha portato al mio arresto. La mia responsabilità esiste ed è precisa, non aver impedito che il tenente Giancarlo Aralla portasse Di Lenardo fuori dalla caserma. La finta fucilazione e quello che accadde fuori dalla caserma lo sappiamo dalla testimonianza di Di Lenardo. Io rividi il detenuto alle docce. Degli agenti stavano improvvisando su di lui un trattamento di acqua e sale. Li feci smettere ma non li denunciai diventando così loro complice.

La voglia di emulare, di menar le mani, di far parlare quegli "stronzi" non si ferma a Padova. Di Mestre so per certo. Al distretto di polizia vengono portati diversi terroristi arrestati dopo le indicazioni di Savasta. I poliziotti si improvvisano torturatori, usano acqua e sale senza essere preparati come Ciocia e i suoi, si fanno vedere da colleghi che parlano e denunciano. Ma l'inchiesta non porterà da nessuna parte.
Quando i giornali cominciano a parlare di torture e scatta l'indagine contro di me e gli altri per il caso Di Lenardo mi faccio vivo con Improta, gli dico che non voglio restare con il cerino in mano, che devono difendermi. Lui promette, dice di non preoccuparmi, ma solo l'elezione al Parlamento propostami dal Partito socialdemocratico mi toglie dal processo. Gli altri quattro arrestati con me vengono condannati in primo grado e, alla fine, amnistiati.

Noi non siamo mai stati in prigione. Io venni portato all'ospedale militare di Padova e lì mi venivano a trovare funzionari di polizia per informarmi delle intenzioni dei magistrati. Tra le mie carte ho ritrovato un appunto dattiloscritto che mi venne consegnato in quei giorni. E' una falsa, ma dettagliatissima, ricostruzione dei fatti che dovevamo sostenere per essere scagionati. Suppongo che lo stesso foglio venne dato anche agli altri arrestati perché non ci fossero contraddizioni tra di noi.
Io me ne sono restato buono per tutti questi anni perché non volevo far scoppiare lo scandalo, fare arrestare tutti quanti.

Oggi, guardandomi indietro, vedo con chiarezza che ho sbagliato, che non avrei dovuto commettere quelle cose, né consentirle. Non dovevo farlo né come uomo né come poliziotto. L'esperienza mi ha insegnato che avremmo potuto ottenere gli stessi risultati anche senza le violenze e la squadretta dell'Ave Maria".


more to come in English soon.
this is an admission from police of tortures (involving sex abuse) to red brigades terrorists in the "lead years"


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: Strömkarlen on July 27, 2012, 04:59:07 PM
Quote
more to come in English soon.
this is an admission from police of tortures (involving sex abuse) to red brigades terrorists in the "lead years"

Please!

Picked this up for a decent prize
(http://libcom.org/files/images/library/autonomia-post-political-politics_0.jpg)

and this

(http://www.waterstones.com/wat/images/nbd/m/978184/068/9781840680997.jpg)

which wasn't as illustrated as I hoped. Some good articles and some not very good at all.




Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: Strömkarlen on January 28, 2013, 04:57:19 PM
Time to revive this thread. This weekend there was a call in the major swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter for an enquire into the Swedish branch of Gladio. The writer of the article who is a high ranking state auditor who want a full investigation into any links between the murder of Olof Palme and the Swedish stay behind network. She also mentioned a book that I never heard of chronicling the Swedish connection.

http://www.dn.se/debatt/hemlig-motstandsrorelse-kopplas-till-palmemordet



Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on January 28, 2013, 05:05:41 PM
I recently read some David Myatt's articles where he proudly boasted to be part of the British Gladio...


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: Strömkarlen on January 28, 2013, 05:42:10 PM
I recently read some David Myatt's articles where he proudly boasted to be part of the British Gladio...

I most say he has a great cover...

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Ibnmyatt.png)

and reminds me of these guys.

(http://wa3.cdn.3news.co.nz/3news/AM/0-Articles/182825/four-lions_600.jpg?width=460)

I saw that he renounced both his neo-nazi and muslin ways these days.


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: Strömkarlen on March 20, 2013, 10:36:21 AM
Tory against Gladio? http://www.parapolitical.com/2013/03/5qrc

Anyone read Richard Cottrell’s books? He background is a bit eclectic which could make for a good read or not.


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on March 20, 2013, 12:19:56 PM
interesting, will read it later!
I have many led years related news, will post them in a few hours.
Unfortunately in Italian but I will try to explain.


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: yosef666 on March 20, 2013, 01:03:34 PM
I recently read Richard Drake's "The Revolutionary Mystique and Terrorism in Contemporary Italy". It's a good account of the years of lead for those (like myself) who can't read Italian, although it focuses much more heavily on the left than the right. The author was a scholar of medieval Italian history who decided to write about the (then very recent) events after the Moro affair. Not the most in-depth work, sand heavy on the social democratic bias, but still a good read, and easy to find cheap.


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on March 20, 2013, 02:30:10 PM
So, this year marked the passing of several leading characters of the lead years.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qKmwuFPSyIE/UPsPYnTbP3I/AAAAAAAA-64/ABw7D4ODnH8/s1600/Prospero+Gallinari.jpg)

Prospero Gallinari:
http://www.ilpost.it/2013/01/19/i-funerali-di-prospero-gallinari/
Never repented member of the red brigades, part of the group that handled the Moro affair. Huge demo with about 1000 militants from different groups often in no-speaking term with each others.

Nicola Pellecchia
Member of Naples "NAP" Nuclei armati proletari, one of the most violent groups in the left, left many people on the streets, even in their own ranks.
http://www.ilmattino.it/blog/gigi_di_fiore/gli_anni_di_piombo_i_nap_a_napoli_e_la_difficile_lotta_per_la_vita_di_nicola_pellecchia/0-46-1820.shtml

Pino Rauti
From the old MSI to  centro studi ordine nuovo, then back to the MSI and founder of smaller parlamentary groups of the radical right.
Accused of several mass murders, keen Evola's disciple, he is one of the persons behind what his called right wing Gramscian thought.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UPdlDngyVM



On a different note, the case regarding ACCA LARENTIA (or LARENZIA), where three MSI militant were murdered in cold blood by apparent left wing militants with a machine gun has been re-opened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_wiIwRUmG8




Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on March 20, 2013, 02:33:45 PM
Veri long interview to Giusva Fiorvanti. One of the most ruthless right wing murderers in those year, accused and condemned with his wife for the Bologna Bombings, yet many - myself included - are not very sure about it. probably one of the best examples of Italian secret services creating confusion and contraddictions.
There are several interesting books on the subject that I have probably mentioned in old post, and the two best ones are written by left wing journalists (Colombo and Semprini).

http://www.lesenfantsterribles.org/sette-gennaio/nar-in-principio-era-lazione/


Apocalypse culture 2 features an article I co-wrote with Moynihan on the subject. Unfortunately back then my knowledge on the subject was limited and would definitely need a revision.

Incidentally Fioravanti was the leading actor of GRAZIE NONNA, featuring Edwige at her best.


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: Strömkarlen on March 20, 2013, 04:55:17 PM

Apocalypse culture 2 features an article I co-wrote with Moynihan on the subject. Unfortunately back then my knowledge on the subject was limited and would definitely need a revision.

Incidentally Fioravanti was the leading actor of GRAZIE NONNA, featuring Edwige at her best.

I re-read you NAR piece in AC2 recently and I think he was a fascinating character. I would be very interested in reading a revision. I at the moment going down the Swedish connection to Gladio.

To bad my Italian is so bad...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEx3HGDfSs4


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on March 20, 2013, 06:00:38 PM
Consider that back in the days I didn't realise how hated he was from the radical right. In certain area you cannot even name him.


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on April 03, 2013, 11:46:02 AM
Impressive archive of original flyers and writings of TERZA POSIZIONE and related.
They have been the most influential group on modern day radical right, taking distance from both Marxism and that Pan-Americanism that lead to collaboration with big part of the right/neo-fascism.


http://kozzmozz.tumblr.com/


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: Jordan on April 04, 2013, 05:50:06 AM
Been meaning to post in this thread since it's inception, just read through it again and realized that I hadn't. Stay behind/Gladio stuff is one of my obsessions.

My two cents to add to this deals with how I first came to know about the Piazza bombing and whatnot.

Debord and Gianfranco Sanguinetti, during the death throes of the SI, wrote a pamphlet titled Rapporto veridico sulle ultime opportunità di salvare il capitalismo in Italia which claimed that the Piazza bombing and similar false flag attacks were supported by the ruling class in Italy as a means of safeguarding the nation from communism. This is when everybody took it for granted that the attacks were carried out by leftists.

I've long been of the opinion that Debord's financier, the french media mogul Gérard Lebovici, through connections with French elites, somehow found out about these false flag attacks and passed the information on to Debord and Sanguinetti, and when they later revealed themselves to be the authors of the pamphlet, this was figured out which eventually led to Lebovici's assassination ten or so years later. They tried to pin the assassination on Debord (who uncharacteristically, and successfully, sued for defamation) claiming that he was upset with Lebovici for his reluctance to finance a film project for him. I don't know, it's probably just paranoia on my part, but that's somehow always made sense in my mind. It could have been an Italian contact of the SI who tipped them off, when no one else seemed to be aware of the ongoings besides the conspirators, but my theory at least would make the assassination of Lebovici make some sort of sense.


On an unrelated note, the Order of the Solar Temple has been linked by some to the stay behind networks, though I think the connection is tenuous at best, but that interests me as well on account of the Solar Temple activities in Quebec in the 90's when I was growing up, which have always held a particular fascination for me, if only for their proximity. Anyone have any info on OTS and Gladio/Stay Behind?


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on April 05, 2013, 08:59:40 AM
get the two episodes of the French documentary "L'ORCHESTRE NOIR", the leading persons of Gladio (and related) are interviewed at length.

The esoteric connection to Gladio is very minimal, apart from some deviated freemasons groups who used the occult aspect just as a mantle for more business/political related purposes...

And here we should open a massive chapter regarding the notorious Loggia P2 and its grandmaster Licio Gelli, one of the leading characters in post-war eversion, but today I really can't.


There was also a "red gladio", but I do not know much about it.


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: Jordan on April 05, 2013, 09:06:21 AM
I'm pretty sure the connection made is that the OST was a gladio front organization, and not that it's some masonic/rosicrucian conspiracy at heart. Just like the P2, but I'll admit it does seem strange for the OST.


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: Strömkarlen on April 05, 2013, 11:16:22 AM

On an unrelated note, the Order of the Solar Temple has been linked by some to the stay behind networks, though I think the connection is tenuous at best, but that interests me as well on account of the Solar Temple activities in Quebec in the 90's when I was growing up, which have always held a particular fascination for me, if only for their proximity. Anyone have any info on OTS and Gladio/Stay Behind?


If I recall correct the connection being that a bunch of right-wing terrorists had been staying at an OST villa in southern france and that there is suppose to be a intelligence connection to OST. It's been a couple of years since I read anything about them but the info was scant to say the least. 


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on April 05, 2013, 12:16:56 PM
Jordan, try to find this documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr5iBFNQq8Y

I might have already posted it in the early post, it is one of the best docs on the subject.
Gladio were not just deviated right wing militants, but a bunch of goons that in the name of the "red danger" helped Italy (and big part of Europe) to become even more slaves to the US and its allies.
Most were democratic christians (even our ex- president Cossiga), who were convinced to defend Christian values and capitalism from a soon to happen communist invasion.

Most of the worst of Italian politics and economy sold us for servitude.
There were many people in good faith that compromised themselves for the greater good, but they are all accomplices to me.


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: Strömkarlen on April 05, 2013, 01:51:50 PM
Jordan, try to find this documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr5iBFNQq8Y


In French http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xk47st_l-orchestre-noir-p2-mafia-et-terrorisme-d-etat-1-3_news#.UV66aKX7XEc

Anyone finds an English one please post.


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on October 17, 2014, 08:13:23 AM
Some History of Quaderni Rossi from Steve Wright's excellent book on the Italian New Left Storming Heaven: Class Composition and struggle in Italian Autonomist Marxism, London: Pluto Press, 2002.

http://www.zerowork.org/QuaderniRossi.html


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: online prowler on October 18, 2014, 10:33:05 PM
Have to read up again on this thread. Thanx for the posting TT.


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: yosef666 on October 19, 2014, 01:11:40 AM
Some History of Quaderni Rossi from Steve Wright's excellent book on the Italian New Left Storming Heaven: Class Composition and struggle in Italian Autonomist Marxism, London: Pluto Press, 2002.

http://www.zerowork.org/QuaderniRossi.html
Great book, probably the best I've found in English on the Italian ultraleft fractions during the Years of Lead.


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on October 29, 2014, 02:18:28 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Terrorism-Italian-Style-Representations-Contemporary/dp/0854572287/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1414582335&sr=1-2&keywords=Italian+terrorism


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: Strömkarlen on October 29, 2014, 04:44:58 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Terrorism-Italian-Style-Representations-Contemporary/dp/0854572287/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1414582335&sr=1-2&keywords=Italian+terrorism

Tiny have you read it?


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: Jordan on October 30, 2014, 09:39:20 PM
http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/alfredo-m-bonanno-armed-joy


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on October 31, 2014, 02:12:57 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Terrorism-Italian-Style-Representations-Contemporary/dp/0854572287/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1414582335&sr=1-2&keywords=Italian+terrorism

Tiny have you read it?

nope going to order it soon!

Bonanno's pamphlet is a total classic and a must-read to understand violent anarchism in Italy.
Just purchase a MASSIVE book with many interviews with ex red brigades members. will post details as soon I will have the guts to start it... it is as big as a dictionary.
Started reading Ugo Maria Tassinari's Naufraghi, allegedly one of the best books ever on the radical right. I read most Ugo's books and they never disappointed me, but this seems to have one gear more!


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: yosef666 on November 01, 2014, 10:02:57 PM
Bonanno's pamphlet is a total classic and a must-read to understand violent anarchism in Italy.
Just purchase a MASSIVE book with many interviews with ex red brigades members. will post details as soon I will have the guts to start it... it is as big as a dictionary.
Started reading Ugo Maria Tassinari's Naufraghi, allegedly one of the best books ever on the radical right. I read most Ugo's books and they never disappointed me, but this seems to have one gear more!

I used to read a LOT of Bonanno. He can get a bit incoherent, but Armed Joy is a great read, and definitely essential for context.

That book of ex-Red Brigade interviews sounds great, I doubt it will end up in English though, unfortunately for me. Same with Ugo Maria's books.


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on November 01, 2014, 10:12:23 PM
Bonanno was still involved with bank robbing in Greece not so many years ago. I find very interesting all these militants that stiull have connection with criminal activities... there are several examples...
Some very intersting characters to look into:
- Pietro Cavallero (head of the Cavallero gang... with strong links with Communist/Trade union... there is an excellent movie inspired by him, LIzzani's Banditi a MIlano, with a superb Gian Maria Volontè)
- Sante Notarnicola, part of the same gang, he became a very wellknown poet he now has a bar in Bologna and still have strong links to anarchism/leftism.
- Horst Fantazzini, http://www.horstfantazzini.net/ legendary figure, robber, thief, gentleman, poet and anarchist. His biography is a TOTAL cult. KNown as the "kind bandit" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma7R7zVJ6Vg

There are several also on the right wing front.


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: Jordan on November 17, 2014, 12:25:22 AM
http://www.notbored.org/reichstag.html
http://www.notbored.org/To-Mustapha.pdf


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on December 01, 2014, 03:49:10 PM
Violent deaths in political movements http://books.google.nl/books?id=wKz1I-yJDJEC&pg=PA179&lpg=PA179&dq=rito+fascista+del+presente&source=bl&ots=5kfssyYfjB&sig=OqWjmtJT4tKgv-gkF-XPHTHMV1U&hl=nl&sa=X&ei=aXB8VIKND5PdsASLmoGADg&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=rito%20fascista%20del%20presente&f=false (http://books.google.nl/books?id=wKz1I-yJDJEC&pg=PA179&lpg=PA179&dq=rito+fascista+del+presente&source=bl&ots=5kfssyYfjB&sig=OqWjmtJT4tKgv-gkF-XPHTHMV1U&hl=nl&sa=X&ei=aXB8VIKND5PdsASLmoGADg&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=rito%20fascista%20del%20presente&f=false)


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: Jordan on March 12, 2015, 06:21:34 AM
I'm currently proofing Ardent Press/LBC Books' reprint of the Elephant Editions reprint of  Bratach Dubh's translations of Anarchismo magazine, though it's mostly selections from Armed Struggle in Italy (1976-1978), a chronology of radical actions. It's available around the internet, but you should really buy the edition I'm working on, when it comes out in the next couple of months.

It's a lot of work, as there are a hell of a lot of Italian names, and I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out what program to use to edit the pdf file without totally fucking up the formatting, but I'm happy to be helping out the most exciting anarchist publisher in a long time. Hopefully future books I work on won't have so many foreign names, I'm hoping to work on the 30th anniversary edition of Bob Black's The Abolition of Work, which is actually a new collection of old antiwork writings, with a new essay  titled "Afterthoughts On The Abolition Of Work", rather than a reprint of the Loompanics book, which has a lot of sort of dated references in the other essays.


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on March 12, 2015, 09:46:45 AM
very interesting indeed! let us know when it is out.
I will soon post hints about new books on the subject that I recently came across especially Maurizio Murelli's Indian Summer.


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: tiny_tove on July 08, 2015, 03:49:49 PM
One of the most important Red Brigade article regarding multinational power. Still strong after so many years.

http://www.fisicamente.net/MEMORIA/index-1131.htm


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: Strömkarlen on December 29, 2015, 11:05:13 AM
I guess it's time to dig up the past. I saw that the Gelli died. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35115576 Has any new information surfaced with his death or are we just left with our own speculations?


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: Le mouron rouge on May 01, 2016, 05:00:48 PM
Yes, it is worth. I am italian and I love the Italian history during the ''lead years''. I have bought the Flamigni's book several years go and I find it complete about the reconstruction of events. I don't know if there is any translation..


Title: Re: ANNI DI PIOMBO - THE LEAD YEARS -Terrorism in Italy - (books and docs)
Post by: ell on July 28, 2017, 12:51:31 PM
Great thread. tinytove, what's your thoughts on the charge that the whole 'strategy of tension' theory originated from a hoax document created by the soviets?