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Title: Ramleh 'Grudge For Life' book imminent
Post by: Mr Klang on July 31, 2020, 12:43:10 AM

’Grudge For Life: A Book About Ramleh’:

Collecting around 356 pages centred on a lengthy and conversational interview with Gary Mundy which looks back at Ramleh’s inception and moves through the group’s work until and including ‘The Great Unlearning’ album, ‘Grudge For Life: A Book About Ramleh’ also includes additional interviews and insight from William Bennett (Whitehouse), Richard Rupenus (TNB), Stephen Meixner (Contrastate), Juntaro Yamanouchi (The Gerogerigegege) and others.

Also includes a Ramleh discography with extensive notes from Gary Mundy, previously unpublished photos and various Broken Flag memorabilia.


Title: Re: Ramleh 'Grudge For Life' book imminent
Post by: Duncan on July 31, 2020, 01:44:16 AM
Looks pretty interesting but at £13.50 shipping for internal UK mail I can live without it on principle. What a total absurdity.

Edit - I was wrong about this but preserving my initial idiocy for posterity.

Title: Re: Ramleh 'Grudge For Life' book imminent
Post by: Duncan on July 31, 2020, 11:23:07 AM
EDIT - in a fit of indignant consumer rage and in the light of John's comments I had a closer look into Poland > UK shipping and can indeed see that I was speaking in an ill informed fashion, at least judging from the equally eye watering costs stated by record sellers for large packages where registered air mail seems the norm with no other option. Maybe someone can tell me - is Poczta Polska usually a service to be avoided?

Anyway not to derail, this looks like a decent read and hopefully some copies will shop up closer to home or maybe even an ebook will rear its head eventually.

Title: Re: Ramleh 'Grudge For Life' book imminent
Post by: Mr Klang on July 31, 2020, 03:37:17 PM
Shipping is from Poland (which is cheaper than from the UK) in a proper cardboard book mailer, via air mail. As well as being available directly from the publisher (Adverse Effect) Cargo are handling worldwide distribution.

Wholesale rates via Adverse Effect on 5 or more.

Title: Re: Ramleh 'Grudge For Life' book imminent
Post by: yosef666 on August 01, 2020, 01:53:18 AM
Just pre-ordered this. Looks fantastic! Should make for some nice Autumn reading.

Title: Re: Ramleh 'Grudge For Life' book imminent
Post by: JunkieVibes on August 01, 2020, 12:00:41 PM
To repost Richo's comments from the Fourth Dimension Records fb, which cover alla these points...

I'm in the UK too so I'll hang on to buy from Cargo.

Pre-orders are coming in daily for the Ramleh book, along with questions I'll address here.
1/ Why no Philip Best involvement? Because he didn't want to be involved, which is his right. He has endorsed the book regardless and of course has his presence stamped throughout by virtue of his involvement with Ramleh.
2/ Can the book be bought wholesale? Yes. Get in touch. 5 copies minimum order.
3/ Why the expensive postage? They ship from Poland and will mostly be going internationally, hence the flat rate.
4/ Will the books be available in (insert name of country here)? I do not honestly know where the books will be distributed to exactly, but Cargo will have some and they generally liaise with Forced Exposure, meaning a certain amount will end up in the UK and US.
5/ Why is it limited? 500 will be published as a hardback edition. I cannot afford more. If the interest is there, a second edition 'might' be considered. We'll see. These things aren't going to be easy to store, either. I'd sooner move on to my next ideas once this is done, but it's all down to weighing everything up.
What else? Of course it'll be torn apart and criticised by some, but to all who do this I say put your own book together. It's not easy. Personally, I'm really pleased with this, though. Everybody concerned has a lot to say and I'd be amongst the first to buy a copy if somebody else had done it!
(And this is the last of the updates I'll post on the subject for a short while....)

Title: Re: Ramleh 'Grudge For Life' book imminent
Post by: absurdexposition on August 01, 2020, 03:28:13 PM
I'll have copies stocked here in Canada.

Title: Re: Ramleh 'Grudge For Life' book imminent
Post by: Harvest on November 19, 2020, 10:14:48 PM
any news on this?

Title: Re: Ramleh 'Grudge For Life' book imminent
Post by: absurdexposition on November 20, 2020, 12:50:07 AM
From label newsletter 6 days ago:
the Ramleh book is now with the printer, but most of the 500 have already been accounted for and/or are pre-sold. The best way to guarantee a copy is pre-ordering it. Copies will be distributed by Cargo/Forced Exposure, plus available from some stockists, but direct order is the surest way to avoid missing out on it.

Title: Re: Ramleh 'Grudge For Life' book imminent
Post by: Duncan on January 27, 2021, 08:58:09 PM
I see this has hit some UK shops now. I'll end up getting a copy eventually but I'm curious if anyone has read it and has any reviews/thoughts?

Title: Re: Ramleh 'Grudge For Life' book imminent
Post by: tiny_tove on March 06, 2021, 01:57:59 AM
any distro who has it in central europe/Italy?

Title: Re: Ramleh 'Grudge For Life' book imminent
Post by: Strömkarlen on March 15, 2021, 01:13:41 PM
any distro who has it in central europe/Italy?

Fourth Dimensions are based in Poland. https://fourthdimensionrecords.bigcartel.com/product/grudge-for-life-a-book-about-ramleh-by-richard-johnson

Title: Re: Ramleh 'Grudge For Life' book imminent
Post by: tiny_tove on March 20, 2021, 11:43:02 PM

Title: Re: Ramleh 'Grudge For Life' book imminent
Post by: Harvest on March 30, 2021, 07:27:45 PM
finally got my order in the states, only to find the books had been wrapped in mere brown paper & sent off. now i have 2 heavily damaged copies & 1 with a broken spine. i know margins are slim, but a simple bubble mailer would have sufficed.

Title: Re: Ramleh 'Grudge For Life' book imminent
Post by: theotherjohn on March 30, 2021, 10:56:26 PM
Don't own it myself but it seems like a lot of copies have arrived damaged in some way, going by the customer images I've seen shared on social media. Is thick cardboard really that hard to source in this day and age?

Title: Re: Ramleh 'Grudge For Life' book imminent
Post by: Duncan on March 30, 2021, 11:21:50 PM
I got a copy via Electric Knife which showed up sealed in plastic and in perfect condition. Sorry to hear there have been issues with damages.

Title: Re: Ramleh 'Grudge For Life' book imminent
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on April 06, 2021, 08:05:09 AM
I have always had mixed feelings of Ramleh works.

I wasn’t exposed to Ramleh until about mid 90’s, and after Masonna, some Gerogerigegege etc and as yougnster it didn’t seem as wild as I would hope. It took some months to fully appreciate the stuff. (those years the time went on different speed. That is also mentioned in book. Within year, happened so much, and it was a damn long time..)

When I got into the old PE works, I was not interested in rock stuff they did at that time. Eventually I started to like many of the rock recordings too. Afterall, liking Godflesh, Skullflower, Cosmonauts Hail Satan and stuff like that. Already in 1996 I was playing in Junkdrome which was pretty much influenced by such stuff. And have played similar stuff since under other names.

Appreciation to Ramleh grew big enough, perhaps to level of almost fanboy, that I actually travelled to UK sometime in 2000’s when band did sort of comeback show after long break. And then flew over to NYC to see the first noise gig since early 80’s!
Of course there was always other things combined, like doing Grunt show or whatever, but all organized based on idea of seeing some band I wanted to see.

Still in recent years, when Ramleh played in Helsinki, of course I went there.

So the book? Of course when book is announced, one has a lot of expectations. Like all things Ramleh, it is basically somewhat disappointing at first (haha), but then you look at what is good in this, and always find something.
In this case, you will discover that there is unusually long interview with Mundy, lots of small details, bits and pieces shared of interesting early years of power electronics. Stuff that you had not read before.

I can perfectly understand, that most of old stuff, most of the transgressions are sort of dismissed merely as juvenile provocations, and over and over and over again explained how they were not X, and people assuming they were, do not understand the context and era when it was done etc. Blaaaah. I think it would have been nicer if they could have gone deeper into memories, to state of mind at the time, talk about how actually information gathered.  What they may have thought, what they may have expressed. Even if it is something they would not do -now-.  If only would get as clear treatment as the latest album, which I can not stand, despite liking to even previous album to some degree.

Perhaps the fanboyish attitude of author is not all good here. Good is that he knows about band enough to make very very long interview that is the core of whole book. Negative may be that there is no challenge or critical follow-up questions. Very often goes into such hyperbole and mythologisizing about greatness of something what becames pretty hilarious. My favorite is that author concludes in longer rant that latest album instrumental song titled "racial violence" is strongest statement heard in rock music in recent years, relating to BLM. Oh yeah? I would assume there is pretty hefty amount of anti-racist rock out there that'll have more than clumsy electronic toy sounds being thrown together?
Anyways. In times when there really is no abundance of amazing noise books, I’m fine with book that has this much of nuggets of information. It has stories by people who are not asked questions so often. Of course some relevant people had declined to be part of book. Most notable Philip Best. One fairly short, but very funny thing is Rupenus setting it straight how the Whitehouse Morden Tower ”riot” actually happened, hah.. Certainly hardcover book worthy story!

A lot of images are pixelated, a lot of album covers seems to be like cut & pasted from online source (discogs?) and one wonders how long it would have taken to actually take good pic or scan of something that is commonly available? In other hand, you got some rare gig posters, flyers, and such. Things that are good to be seen and preserved.

While reading, GRUDGE FOR LIFE 12" - very disappointing record for me what I first heard it, but nowadays I appreciate it to some degree. Hole In A Heart good stuff. Real goodie after the early days mayhem. Giving it a try to new album, but just... can’t. Beyond couple ok'ish tracks, it is not good at all. Selected tracks from previous album circular time ok. The Onslaught of the early days and some rock 7”s, always nice! I am fully aware that it must be annoying to be always judged (in good and bad) for like first couple years of activity, while having plenty of stuff out there.

Recommended? Absolutely! Could it be somehow better? Well, what could not? For noise book makers, world is open to make better one if one can!