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Title: Nazi occult books/documentary
Post by: Modular Lazvig on June 21, 2020, 06:46:40 PM
Recommend books on Himler/SS occult practice. Any documentaries are welcomed too.


Title: Re: Nazi occult books/documentary
Post by: Drohgt on June 21, 2020, 07:30:26 PM
Unholy Alliance by Peter Levenda


Title: Re: Nazi occult books/documentary
Post by: Harvest on June 21, 2020, 09:31:32 PM
The Occult Roots of Nazism by Nicholas Goodrick Clarke


Title: Re: Nazi occult books/documentary
Post by: KillToForget on June 22, 2020, 03:30:11 AM
Hitler’s Monsters by Eric Kurlander is great


Title: Re: Nazi occult books/documentary
Post by: nothingness on July 06, 2020, 04:16:43 PM
The Occult Roots of Nazism by Nicholas Goodrick Clarke

This is dull and boring as fuck; I had tried to read it once but abandoned it pretty fast. "The Spear of Destiny" by Trevor Ravenscroft is utter shit as well. "Unholy Alliance" by Peter Levenda is much better. Books like that are usually a waste of time because the authors who write them tend to approach the subject from an entirely different angle than somebody who is genuinely interested in that kind of stuff. Sometimes they even succeed in presenting a highly interesting subject like that in such a boring manner that you can't even read about it.
Instead, you could take a look at the publications by The Black Order of Pan Europa: https://nexion88.theblackorder.org


Title: Re: Nazi occult books/documentary
Post by: Leewar on July 11, 2020, 01:50:44 PM
"Welcome to my book collection" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RERGlWWoIvA)

Fast forward a few decades and somebody tries to get some outrage going - https://www.ranker.com/list/danzig-occult-library-video/jacob-shelton


Title: Re: Nazi occult books/documentary
Post by: WhiteWarlock on July 21, 2020, 02:15:38 AM
The Secret King:
Michael Moynihan, Stephen E. Flowers

The Secret King is the first book to explode many myths surrounding the popular idea of Nazi occultism, while presenting the actual esoteric rituals used by Heinrich Himmler’s SS under the influence of rune magician Karl-Maria Wiligut, the “Secret King of Germany.”

Stephen E. Flowers, PhD, is a prolific writer and translator in the fields of runology and the history of occultism. He is also the author of books on magical runic traditions under the pen name Edred Thorsson.

some basic background: https://occultreich.blogspot.com/2012/03/order-of-ss.html

research Oera Linda Book
http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/nazi-archaeology-and-the-oera-linda-book

Wiligut is probably the reason Himmler didn't get ride for South America.

He was repeatedly warned get away from Wiligut.


Title: Re: Nazi occult books/documentary
Post by: Into_The_Void on March 24, 2021, 02:29:02 PM
Interesting topic, which I missed completely. I would like to mention here "Unholy Alliance" from Peter Levenda. Interesting and detailed, it goes through the whole history of the relationship between esoterism and national socialism.


Title: Re: Nazi occult books/documentary
Post by: online prowler on March 26, 2021, 11:44:32 PM
Richard Stanley's film documentary The Secret Glory (2001) details 'the story of SS officer Otto Rahn and his search for the Holy Grail'. I think you can find it on youtube. 


Title: Re: Nazi occult books/documentary
Post by: tiny_tove on March 27, 2021, 10:41:36 AM
Marco Dolcetta's series of VHS "IL nazismo esoterico" covered, not always perfectly, many topics. 12 vhs series putting together from the classic "black new age" of occult Hitlerism, wandervogel with all its gay undertones, Evola, Codrean (definitely interesting but surely not very occult), a completely over the top Serrano's interview in his home, Savitri Devi (Jay!), the elders of Zion book (cool because it traces the origin, but again what is so occult about a libel case?), very confused nazi ufo, Islam & national socialism, Tibet, etc etc. The VHS were both brilliant and hilarious, with some total nonsense, but the booklet going with that were very interesting and well documented.
The guy behind the operation was able to get in touch with some not-very open people, who trusted him, gave contacts, but then regretted it.

It was crazy I bought these in news stand. Unfortunately I lost all booklets and one of the tapes (sadly the one about the Exersteine, that was brilliant).


Title: Re: Nazi occult books/documentary
Post by: drunk on March 31, 2021, 09:28:33 PM
Marco Dolcetta's series of VHS "IL nazismo esoterico" covered, not always perfectly, many topics. 12 vhs series putting together from the classic "black new age" of occult Hitlerism, wandervogel with all its gay undertones, Evola, Codrean (definitely interesting but surely not very occult), a completely over the top Serrano's interview in his home, Savitri Devi (Jay!), the elders of Zion book (cool because it traces the origin, but again what is so occult about a libel case?), very confused nazi ufo, Islam & national socialism, Tibet, etc etc. The VHS were both brilliant and hilarious, with some total nonsense, but the booklet going with that were very interesting and well documented.
The guy behind the operation was able to get in touch with some not-very open people, who trusted him, gave contacts, but then regretted it.

It was crazy I bought these in news stand. Unfortunately I lost all booklets and one of the tapes (sadly the one about the Exersteine, that was brilliant).

I just found some clips on Youtube and it looks very interesting. Too bad I don't understand a word though


Title: Re: Nazi occult books/documentary
Post by: host body on April 01, 2021, 02:35:55 PM
The Occult Roots of Nazism by Nicholas Goodrick Clarke

It's almost impressive how uninteresting this man makes something as extravagant and fantastical as Nazi occultism seem.


Title: Re: Nazi occult books/documentary
Post by: nothingness on April 01, 2021, 08:29:30 PM
The Occult Roots of Nazism by Nicholas Goodrick Clarke

It's almost impressive how uninteresting this man makes something as extravagant and fantastical as Nazi occultism seem.

Absolutely. I couldn't have said it better myself.


Title: Re: Nazi occult books/documentary
Post by: burdizzo1 on April 07, 2021, 01:19:52 PM
Picked up a book one time called "The Nazis And The Occult", by a fella called Paul Roland, and there is a chapter on the SS - 'Myth of the Black Knights'. However, I can't say I'd recommend it for anyone who wants an in-depth of in any way disinterested perspective. This one seems more like an excuse to flash about loads of Nazi symbols, whilst at the same time tut-tutting at the evil of it all at every opportunity.


Title: Re: Nazi occult books/documentary
Post by: BlackCavendish on April 09, 2021, 04:17:52 PM
Hitler et les sociétés secrètes, enquête sur les sources occultes du nazisme by René Alleau
Good background about secret societies and occult revival that influenced the Reich. It's in french, there's an italian translation, don't know about an english one.

Karl-Maria Wiligut – Himmlers Rasputin und seine Erben by Hans-Jurgen Lange
A comprehensive story of the man behind the nazi esoteric milieu (again read it in italian, don't know if there's an english translation)

Black Sun by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke (and also his Savitri Devi biography, academic writing but reliable material inside).

Then obviously first hand material:
- Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels' Theozoology, or the Science of the Sodomite-Apelings and the Divine Electron (definitely not an easy reading)
- Savitri Devi's The Lightning and the Sun
- Miguel Serrano's The Golden Thread: Esoteric Hitlerism and Adolf Hitler: The Last Avatar
- Otto Rahn's Crusade Against the Grail: The Struggle between the Cathars, the Templars, and the Church of Rome (if you're interested in the subject)

There's a lot of stuff, it also depends on what you're more into: weird stuff like Serrano, runic esotericism (then there's the Von List material and also the beautiful Domion Press' biography: Wotan's Awakening) and so on...

I have to say that, besides the weirdness of the subject, none of these books is an easy reading. You have to be interested in the subject otherwise it can be really boring.


Title: Re: Nazi occult books/documentary
Post by: Into_The_Void on June 04, 2021, 03:03:44 PM
Richard Stanley's film documentary The Secret Glory (2001) details 'the story of SS officer Otto Rahn and his search for the Holy Grail'. I think you can find it on youtube. 

beautiful documentation, just watched it on youtube (it´s divided on 11 smaller videos). I appreciated everything, from the contents to the aesthetic and the low-fi audio, which added somehow some charme to the work. I read some stuff about Rahn already and I found it very interesting. I will try to deepen his research about Catars and Grail, the books he wrote are apparently still pretty easy to find.


Title: Re: Nazi occult books/documentary
Post by: Into_The_Void on August 22, 2021, 07:21:33 PM
Marco Dolcetta's series of VHS "IL nazismo esoterico" covered, not always perfectly, many topics. 12 vhs series putting together from the classic "black new age" of occult Hitlerism, wandervogel with all its gay undertones, Evola, Codrean (definitely interesting but surely not very occult), a completely over the top Serrano's interview in his home, Savitri Devi (Jay!), the elders of Zion book (cool because it traces the origin, but again what is so occult about a libel case?), very confused nazi ufo, Islam & national socialism, Tibet, etc etc. The VHS were both brilliant and hilarious, with some total nonsense, but the booklet going with that were very interesting and well documented.
The guy behind the operation was able to get in touch with some not-very open people, who trusted him, gave contacts, but then regretted it.

It was crazy I bought these in news stand. Unfortunately I lost all booklets and one of the tapes (sadly the one about the Exersteine, that was brilliant).

watching a clip now on Youtube. Could be that some stuff off this VHS collection ended up in a dvd DeAgostini collection, named "Il terzo Reich"? I have it at home in Italy but I can´t recall if some of this stuff was on this collection as well but I´m sure it was, at least the "episode" about the Tibet Expedition.
Super interesting and I love the low-budget aesthetic of it, as well as the political almost complete "non-allineation", which makes the whole narration somehow sober and fascinating.