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« Reply #60 on: March 15, 2019, 04:22:50 PM »

Appearing (whether it's actually the case or not) to be on the side of mass-murdering neo-nazis isn't really all that 'petty' reason for someone to kick you off a bill.

Well, I find it petty - if we're talking about misinformed hysteria, which is the actual reason. Not specific content of artist. Of course if we are talking about alternative music festival, I expect nothing less. If getting kicked out from actual industrial/noise fests, then I find it amusing that after all these years, people could only approach subject matter based on surface level assumptions and tabloid level conclusions.

I personally can't be emotionally moved by such incidents or see them be more than curious incidents in course of history, Nevertheless:
At this point I'd prefer that if people -including the notorious PE GOONS- feel like spreading the manifesto or video, they do not do it over SI forum. Just for forum to be sort of... ehm, less "magnet for trouble". I'm pretty sure anyone can find them online if they search for them.
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« Reply #61 on: March 15, 2019, 07:00:18 PM »

Yeah that sounds wise. And yes the Daily Mail are/were sharing it so it's not exactly hard to find it seems
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« Reply #62 on: March 15, 2019, 07:03:24 PM »

Appearing (whether it's actually the case or not) to be on the side of mass-murdering neo-nazis isn't really all that 'petty' reason for someone to kick you off a bill.

How is he siding with Torrant? I don't understand.
Anyways cheers for mentioning the manifesto as I don't read the news, it's pretty hilarious.
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« Reply #63 on: March 15, 2019, 11:02:50 PM »

The little bit of news I've watched, it would seem that Christchurch NZ is in the U.S. because they keep talking about America, Trump, etc.

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« Reply #64 on: March 16, 2019, 01:54:44 AM »

prosumer preset synth

behringer echo

but what if it's a moog voyager and a roland re-201?
or a music easel and an h8000fw?

just trying to understand why you have to be so specific
as if gear price determines what is A-OK to put on album covers
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« Reply #65 on: March 16, 2019, 01:58:16 AM »

CALLING ALL PE GOONS: remind me again how the Black Sun is an A-OK symbol to put on the cover of your album ...

According to this kind of "logic" we should also revise our history and heroes' names cause he had written "Turkofagos" on his gun.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikitaras
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« Reply #66 on: March 16, 2019, 03:48:44 AM »

Never understood why people who make music/art that is deemed "controversial" should have to answer for unconnected events that happened half a world away. Always found it quite annoying and preposterous.
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« Reply #67 on: March 16, 2019, 08:31:37 PM »

If it helps put it in context I believe this news story is what led to the series of articles on The Quietus.

https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-45919730

This issue was that Claudia Patatas (who was sentenced to five years) was seen to have a connection to Death In June through a photograph on social media and apparently it is claimed she did some of the  photograpic work for some album covers for the same artist. Hence The Quietus then decided to do a series on the subject of I am not mistaken but of course I may very well be.

https://datacide-magazine.com/national-action-neo-nazi-terror-group-connections-to-neofolk-scene/
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« Reply #68 on: March 16, 2019, 08:55:39 PM »

https://i1.wp.com/datacide-magazine.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2018-11-18-at-17.44.33.png?resize=1002%2C1024&ssl=1

anybody know the name of this guy's PE project?

EDIT: "Other images document the couple's collection of far-right memorabilia found at their Oxfordshire home including swastika cushions and clothing, as well as a swastika-shaped pastry cutter" l o l
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« Reply #69 on: March 16, 2019, 09:32:21 PM »


Mildly amusing. Timeline seems to span over years. For example, to establish "connection" to Allerseelen because of comment made by fan on bands facebook post, before National Action even existed where this fan could be member. It is not unexpected, but mildly funny if bands are held responsible for things such as later life decisions of ex-girlfriend of past friend?

But yes, atleast in Finland, it is a undeniable fact that many members of banned organization fairly similar to NA, has background in underground music. You can see such people in regular metal gigs, occasionally even few industrial gigs, oi gigs etc. and it's nothing utterly unusual. I could promise that if one would want to do a map of finnish underground musicians ties to known or convicted neo-nazis, everybody is literally three if not two associates distance at maximum. Some may find it amusing that some of the die-hard antifascists punks play in bands with guys who play in bands with most known nsbm/rac guys. So comparing for example article linked above seems funny, when you could make one about almost every underground band in Finland. No joke.
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« Reply #70 on: March 17, 2019, 02:45:08 AM »

I guess the lesson here is that everyone needs something to make themselves feel less like the blinkered, hypocritical members of contemporary society that they are.  Some people deal with that by joining NSBM/RAC bands, others by writing articles about them.  They're welcome to each other.
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« Reply #71 on: March 17, 2019, 07:51:11 AM »

Honestly though this comes to me as a bit of a surprise. Skullflower is one of those artists, like say Kapotte Muziek, whose work I've managed to accumulate quite a lot of over the years without ever quite calling myself a serious fan. Never once did I get any inkling as to the implications or accusations currently being leveled. Now call me ignorant. Perhaps as a consumer of music a first requirement is to better verse myself in history, signs, symbols, the lot. Maybe I never got that de Waard's Recycled Music series was a hidden message to eco terrorist cells around the world. (edit Better add RRRon to that list, just to be safe.)

It just strikes me as... odd. I'm sure Skullflower could have played the festival and not one audience member would have come away with the suggestion of anything other than maybe they should check out some more of the project's bitchin' sounds. Like, holy shit, didn't know there was this much Skullflower in existence-

https://skullflower.bandcamp.com/

Gonna have to remedy things at some point. (If the point of generating this hoopla was to get more people, or say, more casual listeners like me, into Skullflower, well then. Job well done!)

So yeah I was, and am, still, a tad incredulous. It just didn't make no sense till someone who seems to know some of the persons involved suggested that this was mainly a financial decision. That made sense. And my first comment was riffing on that.
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« Reply #72 on: March 17, 2019, 07:03:00 PM »

why

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
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« Reply #73 on: May 02, 2019, 01:40:20 AM »

*coff*coff*Mgla*coff*coff

It's official, anyone who ever posted on SI and have a metal band... BEWARE!

I don't know how to react to this at all.
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« Reply #74 on: May 02, 2019, 08:07:18 AM »

*coff*coff*Mgla*coff*coff

It's official, anyone who ever posted on SI and have a metal band... BEWARE!

I don't know how to react to this at all.

Mild amusement?
Bad boys found in Black Metal. It's a news worthy story in 2019 for various reasons.
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