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« on: February 11, 2019, 09:08:26 PM »

Well, by now every one of you must be aware of this, but I made a thread because I think it may be an interesting topic to all of us in a less broad sense, I mean, everyone who ever posted on this forum will be tagged as a nazi from now on, since guilty by association and impossible (?) to check internet commentaries are cabal proof of something.

This article, eh...

https://thequietus.com/articles/26024-skullflower-matthew-bower-fascism-racism

PS. I know this kind of stuff is always happening but I wanted some clickbait thread title... Don't know if should have posted it on the main forum too.
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2019, 12:15:02 AM »

hehehe, that pasi quote is not good optics by most standards. what does one expect from a mind so violent and filthy? surprised it hasn't come up sooner as most anything that can be traced back to iphar is getting the big rubber stamp of "nazi" thanks to a certain infamous comp.
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2019, 03:21:20 AM »

The "Pure" being a wink to nazism is just too much for me to handle.
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2019, 07:47:54 AM »

https://thequietus.com/users/20441

Note the three articles attributed to the author of the Skullflower hatchet job. Clearly there is a wider agenda at play, and based on the bottom article, it sound like other witch-hunts are to be evoked as part of an ongoing 'expose'.
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2019, 10:24:08 AM »

https://thequietus.com/users/20441

Note the three articles attributed to the author of the Skullflower hatchet job. Clearly there is a wider agenda at play, and based on the bottom article, it sound like other witch-hunts are to be evoked as part of an ongoing 'expose'.

could be right. But fuck 'em. We have suffered this since day one. We're still here, doing what we do.
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2019, 02:34:28 PM »

Wow, what a weak article. In general I like people being nuanced more than with blatant standpoints, but this guy is constantly taking down his own points. This reads like "this and that is not so bad in itself.... but this guy is a nazi and nazis are bad mkay".

Also, the article "Beyond The Iron Gates: How Nazi-Satanists Infiltrated the UK Underground" has this line in the introduction "Please note - this article contains imagery that some readers might find disturbing." Say no more...
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2019, 03:19:45 PM »

https://thequietus.com/users/20441

Note the three articles attributed to the author of the Skullflower hatchet job. Clearly there is a wider agenda at play, and based on the bottom article, it sound like other witch-hunts are to be evoked as part of an ongoing 'expose'.

The “Beyond the Iron Gates” article is so absurd I chuckled my way through the whole thing. The idea that the Order of the 9 Angels are some deadly neo-nazi cabal instead of anything mlre than cosplay nerds is laughable
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2019, 09:25:41 PM »

fucking idiots.

andrew king is the most quiet person in the world. guys who are beefing with him have personal issues and have been suggested by some irrational moron on other side.

there is no way out.

no debating, no interaction, separate scene and kick the shit out of them if they show up protesting.
they are damaging people and there should be ever again one single hint of respect for these gentlemen.

I am not a political person since i am happy live by pretty different standards that are unacceptable for many and have no issues with lefties (most people in industrial are), my issues is with people creating evidence from hear-a-say, warriors of freedom that hit the wrong targets and live behind a keyboard and then cry when hit by justice.
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2019, 12:36:24 AM »

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Andrew Dymock, 21, and Oskar Dunn-Koczorowki, 17, leading members of Sonnenkrieg Division, a British offshoot of National Action with strong ties to Atomwaffen Division and the O9A, were arrested and charged with terrorist offences after distributing memes suggesting that Prince Harry should be shot as a race traitor.

excuse me, what?
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2019, 01:01:12 AM »

"We invite Matthew Bower to respond to this article"

So since when this Miller guy is an authority?

I hope Bower does not fall in the trap and answer. The article is full of mistakes and superficial. a cut and paste of already existing crap.
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2019, 01:43:33 AM »

HA! This was new to me and fairly uninteresting. Thanks for shit post. This guy, the credited pen-man Dylan Miller, couldn't even write a proper meme. Just sad click-bait explotation, couldn't read the uninformed text in full, but laughed out loud to Exhibitionistic explode-in-all-directions BU quote! That was grand. Anyways, Miller sounds like a guy who'd post his own article in a noise forum to stir up his own fart. Glad you beat him to it.

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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2019, 09:16:44 AM »

Seems like its the beginning of noise/PE's turn to get the good ol' Kim Kelly/sanitizing treatment.
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2019, 09:17:31 AM »

I would not be surprised if the guy behind writing articles under name Dylan Miller would be exposed to be someone rather familiar in the scene? Although... "Investigation" is so shallow, that anyone could pull that article based on organizers facebook post.

My favorite quote would be probably:
Quote from: Dylan Miller of Quetus
Certainly they have a welcoming home on the Cold Spring label, where martial edgelords, cryptofascists and their apologists rub shoulders with noise and industrial artists too physically or psychically dead to care anymore.

haha!!!

Whether he is newbie or just someone who doesn't get it, it is quite well displayed here:

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Yes, Bower has spent a career exploring the abyss, but at some point he also became the abyss. And in our fucked up, fracturing and fractious world that abyss is no longer an obsidian edge ready to expose the hypocrisies of the mainstream – it is the mainstream, and it has engulfed us. This is why we, Raw Power and others have finally drawn a line in the sand – you are either with the people who seek to inflame hatred and division, or you are against them. We are against them.

I doubt, that it was somehow a rule of industrial music, that one explores the abyss, in attempt to expose the hypocrisies of the mainstream? I'd say it is rather to expose yourself to abyss to expose something in you and perhaps listeners who may experience the same. With open mind, free of moralism and spite. To look the abyss, eye to eye, and in the end conclusions may vary. You just might come into conclusion that general impression was right. Or you might come into conclusion that society that has conditioned us to respond like the average "Dylan Miller" and you see world in new angle. Becoming abyss - perhaps! Exposing "mainstream" is byproduct of this.

These characters, just ride on the high horse pointing out lame, utterly lame, verbal diarrhea what could be summed to "brexit.. trump... nazis.." -wail. So engulfed by evils... oh man. Talk about drooling dogs.

Industrial music clearly has social function still today. I don't think it is about men who are psychically dead to care anymore, but about men who are psychically so alive and driven by faustian spirit that they do not mind crossing the "lines drawn in sand" by anonymous retards.
I'm quite confident that Bower won't be issuing any silly statements. It's would be setting good example, as some old English industrial veterans have been disappointingly ripe for moralist crusaders to pick up and use for embarrassing publicity stunts.
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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2019, 12:07:33 PM »

Speaking of people named Miller. Why is never Daniel Miller of Mute getting any shite? He use to engineer Boyds live shows in Europe for crying out loud and released his records. Oh, yeah he is rich and has a lawyer or two...
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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2019, 02:28:44 PM »

There's an article about Black Metal too, here: https://thequietus.com/articles/25989-darkthrone-transilvanian-hunger-emperor-in-the-nightside-eclipse-review-anniversary?fbclid=IwAR0KAjQbaQQQWEujqivTYSjqiXPymCSzLy67nwUs5BeB9ejM6yao7opoNpI.
Didn't read it in full, just the first part and there's an interesting sentence here about Faust and him playing again in a band with other Emperor-members: "It's possible that prison time and the years of growth since his early adulthood crime have changed his views and behaviours, but it's hard to say that this matters when there is another human who will never get a chance to experience the life that was stolen from him." Further on the writer explains that the guys from Emperor think he's had his sentence. But according to the writer that doesn't matter. The writer clearly has the moral high ground. *sigh*

About that O9A article: I wouldn't be surprised if there are people who take O9A serious enough to act upon it, but of course it's all too clear from the article that the writer has every interest in presenting it way bigger and worse than it is. That he mentions that a guy is being charged with terrorist offences for distributing memes drives that point home. He of course thinks this is justified and has no clue that it will make his argumentation etc hysterical.
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