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« on: May 12, 2018, 07:19:34 PM »

Hi everyone,

I am looking for an ever-evolving, dense, intricate, nuanced and through-composed (using wikipedia's definition: "music that is completely non-repetitive, music that is not interrupted by dialogue, or music that is composed in linear order") records like Tunnel Canary's Jihad / Live at the ECCA 1980. Elliott Carter's String Quartet No. 3 also fits these descriptions, although he was more conservative in his choice of sounds than what I am looking for here - music that uses any sound without prejudice as long as it sounds good.

Another one I have in mind that is close is The Room Extended by Keith Rowe. Some parts of this record, especially the noisier parts, are nicely layered, but he uses a small limited set of sounds throughout the record that prevents it from evolving much.

Below are some more examples to clarify what I mean by each descriptor.

Con-Dom's How Welcome Is Death to I Who Have Nothing More to Do But Die, Grunt's World Draped in a Camouflage, and Aaron Dilloway's Modern Jester are also great examples of dense, intricate and nuanced music, though they do repeat some parts.

Cremaster's Noranta graus a l'esquerra and Joe Panzner and Greg Stuart's Dystonia Duos are examples of dense, intricate, probably through-composed, but not nuanced music. In my opinion, they are not nuanced because they have a lot of sounds that could or could not be there and would not make a difference in how I feel about them. For the same reasons, I am not looking for things like TNB's Live at Hinoeuma, or Yoshihide's Melted Memory II from Rapid, because although they are dense and intricate (and good), they are not nuanced.

By 'nuanced' and 'intricate', I don't mean to imply 'insipid' or 'effete'. I mean something that is precisely and accurately the experience that it sets out to be. For example, if a record sets out to be violent, I want it to feel like a precise mixture of rage, confusion, sadness, terror, and so forth, rather than be a reductionist representation of violence where some person talks about things related to violence, like rape, murder, etc. in a namechecking fashion without actually expressing how those things feel.

I am open to any sound source - acoustic, electronic, electroacoustic, and whatever.
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« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2018, 08:05:32 PM »

possibly...

https://sethnehil.bandcamp.com/album/uva

https://nebris.bandcamp.com/album/bleak-angels

David Jackman - Up from Zero
Organum - Desola
Organum - Sorow
Rosy Parlane - Jessamine
Niellerade Fallibilisthorstar - Halrum
Hum of the Druid - Mountainous and/or Trials

I think I know what you're after, but I'm not sure enough to not throw some various ideas out there.
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2018, 05:36:51 PM »

Thanks Zeno Marx for the recs. They are not exactly what I was looking for (I guess the OP is pretty vague), but cool nonetheless. They're other avenues to explore for me.

I didn't expect it to be so hard to find through-composed noise or PE. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong places? While You Were Out, or The Wigmaker In Eighteenth-Century Williamsburg, Pedestrian Deposit's stuff have the right kind of approach, but I don't sympathize with their aesthetics much.
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2018, 07:09:06 PM »

Allegory Chapel Ltd. ‎- When Angels Fall or Excursion Into The Pit?  Have you tried ACL?
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2018, 07:53:29 PM »

Sick Seed "The Great Corrupter" is pretty damn nuanced, with dense but clear layering. Basically composed like a (progressive) rock album in that each song/movement stands distinctly on its own in style as well as contributing to the whole.

Macronmypha "Baroque" is an essential, highly "listenable" set of harsh noise/sound collage pieces which are probably some of their most varied and engaging material.

Gelsomina "Nostalghia" is more or less one of the unsung heroes of harsh noise full-length albums and competes with Incapacitants, Solmania and Hijokaidan for radiant, hypnotic droning harshness but also is a real, intricate piece of music with distinct "songs." Same could be said for "Disease With A Purpose," too.
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2018, 09:12:46 PM »

Sick Seed "The Great Corrupter" is pretty damn nuanced, with dense but clear layering. Basically composed like a (progressive) rock album in that each song/movement stands distinctly on its own in style as well as contributing to the whole.

Macronmypha "Baroque" is an essential, highly "listenable" set of harsh noise/sound collage pieces which are probably some of their most varied and engaging material.

Gelsomina "Nostalghia" is more or less one of the unsung heroes of harsh noise full-length albums and competes with Incapacitants, Solmania and Hijokaidan for radiant, hypnotic droning harshness but also is a real, intricate piece of music with distinct "songs." Same could be said for "Disease With A Purpose," too.
These are exactly the kinds of things I'm looking for. Gelsomina's "Nostalghia" is especially sick with the shimmering, blistering sound, without just being a wall of noise. Also love the more precise, but still rough sound in "The Great Corrupter." "Baroque" is pretty much what I wanted to hear from Macronympha.
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2018, 09:41:29 PM »

Because you like that shimmering, maybe Phroq's Static Walls?  Or Dimmer - Ascent?

https://archive.org/details/MIDI07

https://thomasdimuzio.bandcamp.com/album/ascent

*Jliat - 16:05:94 as well (give it about 20 minutes to really start taking hold)
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2018, 04:03:35 PM »

Because you like that shimmering, maybe Phroq's Static Walls?  Or Dimmer - Ascent?

https://archive.org/details/MIDI07

https://thomasdimuzio.bandcamp.com/album/ascent

*Jliat - 16:05:94 as well (give it about 20 minutes to really start taking hold)
Phroq is nice. Incidentally, I liked some parts of his album "Recordings of Voltage Errors..." I like Jliat as well, although it's something I'd listen to more passively.

I also missed your post about Allegory Chapel Ltd. until now. I just listened to a part of "When Angels Fall." It's not dense in the 'compositional' sense but it's very atmospheric and the parts seem to have a lot of deliberation behind them. "Excursion Into the Pit" is not on youtube so I will have to track it down.

One of the songs that got me into PE was "Humiliation" from Sutcliffe Jugend's "The Victim as Beauty." I love how the sounds in it morph into other sounds, become merged with and separated from each other. I also love how the sporadic and convulsive (rather than constant and consistent) rhythms just barely but persistently hang on to each other, with sparse sustained sounds in between to hold them together. And most importantly, none of the sounds feel out of place. This is probably the song I should've mentioned first in the OP. Did anybody else take this sort of approach, and/or develop this sound further?
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2018, 04:45:12 PM »

Check out Ultra if they're not already familiar to you. They're not necessarily (always) PE, but they have the intermittent rhythm quality you're talking about, with a nice contrast between really spastic, hyperactive sections and very brooding or lush, droning ones.

https://domamerica.bigcartel.com/product/ultra-delirious-elaborations-4-cd-box-set

https://youtu.be/O7YQhi8JwSU

https://youtu.be/RBjeUJoQ37U

https://youtu.be/TmSKm9-6T-A

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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2018, 10:04:59 PM »

When I read the topic title Empyset or Senking jumps to mind, but that might be totally not what you are looking for.

Emptyset, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZgtsfj-W7g
Senking, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-mASNRjRHg
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2018, 10:07:29 AM »

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I didn't expect it to be so hard to find through-composed noise or PE


Is it that surprising considering that "through composed" is some classical music theory term but this is a genre where very little is truely 'composed' at all?
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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2018, 10:18:21 AM »

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I didn't expect it to be so hard to find through-composed noise or PE


Is it that surprising considering that "through composed" is some classical music theory term but this is a genre where very little is truely 'composed' at all?
It is a classical music theory term, but it's not a concept that's exclusive to classical music. Through-composed music is found throughout many styles. Even some pop songs can be considered through-composed. Plus a lot of PE is more often 'composed' than stuff related to say EAI, which is a somewhat comparable style sound-wise. I get what you are saying though.
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