Quote from: Kaaoskultti on April 27, 2023, 05:57:01 AM
The thing is, I was thinking about Dead Beauty / Dancefloor Wreck 7". One could always talk about parallel themes in all of Mikko's projects, and when it comes to the overlapping of particular themes, I often wonder which thing comes first in the creation of this much - or rather, if conceived ideas and images are further translated into particular music or if the latter spawned to later find itself adequate lyrics. One answer in that old thread of N12 pretty much covers the subject. My point is - why was that a Grunt release, not a N12 one?
All projects have always overlapped, and will keep doing so. When there is some theme that feels that needs to be dealt with in more detail, or direction of sound, that needs to be taken into more singular direction - it becomes sort of "spin off project". Some lasted one or couple releases, others carried on for years. As example, despite theme and sound element can be found in Grunt, it wouldn't make sense to make that releases such as Silence Of Vacuum did under name Grunt. For "artistic reasons", so to say. Some pieces work better as stand-alone works.
Dead Beauty / Dancefloor Wreck doesn't have (in my opinion) much that would relate to themes of N12. It has also the aggression in ways that generally is not present in N12. Applies to both, sound and the lyrics. It studies two big Finnish media events of the time.
Quote from: Kaaoskultti on April 27, 2023, 05:57:01 AM
What were the influences on the project? Any particular artists or bands back in the 90's that influenced the music, not the content, of N12? The latter was already present in Industrial and PE, yes. But on the music itself, I wonder if Atrax Morgue had been an possible influence on the general atmosphere and the "tremolo" high frequency noises. Those pulsating low frequency beats like the ones in the first two songs of Playground and others might have been borrowed from Brighter Death Now. What more?
I don't think there was much of specific bands. Sonically, especially playground first recordings was pretty much exclusively MS-10 synth and reverb. Not much else. In 90's, I didn't have synth myself, so this borrowed gear made sound differ from all the other recordings I was making. At the time, vocal style was not really used that much and not really influenced by other artists. You can find spoken or whispered voice from some older material, but fairly uncommon. It was less about specific bands, more about atmosphere that was aimed for and of course one can name bunch of "treble only synth power electronics" that of course are at least unconscious influence. Those would be like Death Squad "theological genocide" or early MITB electronics recordings.
Quote from: Kaaoskultti on April 27, 2023, 05:57:01 AM
I find myself surprised not seeing last year's Bardo Methodology on that project not being discussed in here. I might be wrong, since I'm new on the forum, but overall I didn't see it, even though I found it to be an interesting piece of work. And by the way, Discogs still maintains a description of the project with information that has already been confirmed false. Such a mess.
I think I linked it in some other topic, probably? No discussion, but link was posted. I think comment sections of Bardo social media were pretty funny. Plenty of guys who didn't read the interview, had a lot to say about it. Not surprising. Bardo does a lot of editing for pieces they publish. I mentioned to journalist that do not want that interview makes me look like a nice guy and he said "
nobody will think you're a nice guy", hah... Some concluded that some of the ideas must be thought later on, and not when albums were made. Sure, isn't that in very core of industrial culture? It ain't the
lecture. Releases can make also artists to connect the dots while the discography progresses. It would be odd that if someone would dig deep into something, and claim not to have gone through some sort of transformation in the years long process. Apparatus known as "industrial noise", could and should certainly do that.
Edit:
If someone wonders what is "bardo" and where, this is the url. Mostly metal interviews on the website and paper magazine, but also industrial, experimental, art, etc.
http://www.bardomethodology.com/articles/2022/09/21/clandestine-blaze-nicole-12-mikko-aspa-interview/
