SPREADING SHIT ONLINE

Started by online prowler, November 25, 2014, 11:56:27 AM

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online prowler

Ok, so it is starting again and its fucking pisses me off.

Masked under a wish for dialogue - Sergi Puig Masferrer - on FB today launched yet another of his poorly reseachered and strategized campagins on facism in noise. He was at it not long ago under another aka I for now will keep to myself. Then, spreading false information and hearsay on FB, forums and making trouble on discogs. I believe as well he is here on SPIF under another identity. I've seen his output posted here under a pseudonym. Check out the FB moniker and see what's posted there and compare to listings in the release section. Should be easy. I think this guy can't see past the asthetication in some industrial imprints and bands. In his googles, its all politics. This is a usual phenomen on the left side, as they have a culture to politize the image..... Anyways, this time he is in the neck of Unrest Productions. Last time it was F&V + Freak Animal.

I am posting this here because:

- Unfounded rumours and false propaganda must be stopped.
- If a serious dialogue is to be established on the subject of facism in noise, it should be founded on proper insight.
- I want a public apology for slandering bands and labels plus indirectly involved people from Sergi / PUNKCAT (aka here on SPIF).

I stand my ground firm on this.

Attached you will find his post + image in FB groups 'NOISE POWER ELECTRONICS BLACK INDUSTRIAL', 'noise=noise' and Extreme noise world.

Here is the link he posted in the groups:
https://libcom.org/forums/announcements/unrest-productions-hate-speech-or-art-23042014

PUNKCAT's sites:

http://whitenoisedada.blogspot.com.es/
http://ambient-noise-wall.blogspot.com.es/
http://punkcata.blogspot.com.es/

Cementimental

I'm starting to believe that Sergi is just a reallllly long-game troll, it's even explained in the comments section of that fake 'leftist' article that it was written by my transphobic BNP-supporting stalker Kristian Cole aka Lee Cole aka To the Lovers Farewell/Red Venice Records in a truly pathetic failed attempt to rile up antifa against the gigs and artists mentioned therin.

They both post on this board so hope they'll reply here to explain themselves.

online prowler

Why beat about the bush when I am directly referring to an individual here. No more mister nice guy!

PUNKCAT, answer for yourself. You are accountable now.


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Quote from: Cementimental on November 25, 2014, 12:31:42 PM
I'm starting to believe that Sergi is just a reallllly long-game troll, it's even explained in the comments section of that fake 'leftist' article that it was written by my transphobic BNP-supporting stalker Kristian Cole aka Lee Cole aka To the Lovers Farewell/Red Venice Records in a truly pathetic failed attempt to rile up antifa against the gigs and artists mentioned therin.

They both post on this board so hope they'll reply here to explain themselves.

If this is only trolling and not politically minded ... I will take him down. I can respect different political opinions. Trolling is unforgivable in this context.

Cementimental

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http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=19645 = redvenicerecords, the original author of this piece of slander. He also posted it on a couple of other left-wing news/forum sites but the rest of them removed it immediately when we filled them in on the truth behind it, libcom never responded tho. I think it's just an unmoderated forum that anyone can post any nonsense on.

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Quote from: Cementimental on November 25, 2014, 12:42:02 PM
http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=19645 = redvenicerecords, the original author of this piece of slander. He also posted it on a couple of other left-wing news/forum sites but the rest of them removed it immediately when we filled them in on the truth behind it, libcom never responded tho. I think it's just an unmoderated forum that anyone can post any nonsense on.

Thanx for the update Cementimental. I remember that. So actually redvenicerecords (aka here on SPIF) is responsible for this as well. This article needs to be removed from actual site posted above. I suggest strongly that redvenicerecords will make a hasty effort in this direction.

Duncan


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my favourite thing about that article is that like most 'naziism in noise' things the comments are just full of the artists involved defending themselves/arguing, the one or two regular left-wing forum members who even responded are just like "LOL WHAT DUMB BAND NAMES" and don't care in the slightest :D

Cementimental

This review of my stuff cracked me up: http://ambient-noise-wall.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/cementimental.html
Nice that he liked it i guess but
QuoteDon´t confuse this naive and colorful cover with the "music" there is inside... beacause is just the opposite. The pole contraire.
..... yeaaaaah that would be because you've somehow got the cover of a totally different album there. (~__~#)

online prowler

Quote from: Half Aborted on November 25, 2014, 05:16:41 PM
He even makes stuff up about people he apparently likes. He positively, albeit incoherently reviewed some of my stuff and said I was a "producer studio", a "violinist of classical music" and "sound engineer". When I asked him where he'd found this apparent information he said he'd gotten it from my tumblr. I don't have a tumblr.

Quote from: Cementimental on November 25, 2014, 05:39:19 PM
This review of my stuff cracked me up: http://ambient-noise-wall.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/cementimental.html
Nice that he liked it i guess but
QuoteDon´t confuse this naive and colorful cover with the "music" there is inside... beacause is just the opposite. The pole contraire.
..... yeaaaaah that would be because you've somehow got the cover of a totally different album there. (~__~#)

I am speechless ..... what a joke ...

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Last statement for the day.


During the course of the day I have been contacted by numerous people regarding both Sergi Puig Masferrer/PUNKCAT and Kristian Cole of Red Venice Records ( aka redvenicerecords here). The information given have been very consistent in shedding light on two things:

1) Punkcat have a past history in doing this kind of trolling engangement, though for political reasons. However important his standpoint is, he have within the course of a day manage to set back the debate on racism in art/music considerably, and put the socialist political perspecive on the topic to shame with his unfounded link to Unrest Productions written by Kristian Cole - who wrote the text as a part of a personal vengence campaign. It all have been a very poor and sad performance I must say on Sergi's behalf. The whole thing seems to me more as a self-serving action to gather attention on own output and agenda, than to front a good cause. Punkcat's stigmatization of Unrest have also indirectly and unfailry targeted the artist included in Unrest's discography - as well as the many parties representing Unrest's products through out the world.

There are many questions one can ask in relating to his postings. Is this trolling? Is this politically motivated? Is this poor judgement regarding use of source material (Kristian Cole's article)? Is he representing Kristian Cole in absenta - seing as they are attacking the same people over a certain time period?

Judging from the information I know am sitting on I would say PUNKCAT's exercise have been politically motivated (I hope) - executed poorly - by not checking up on Cole as the writer of the article in question. Unbeknownst to PUNKCAT, Cole have had a long time fued (started by himself) with certain members in the noise community. I will come back to this in point 2. Nevertheless, I believe PUNKCAT posted his shit premeditated with full knowledge of its content and what he wanted to achive. So, there is no error or fault in his attack on Unrest. Some months back I made a similar post here on SPIF when Filth & Violence and Freak Animal suffered similar attacks on FB, diverse forums and was banned from sales on discogs due to a blackening campaign instigated by namely: PUNKCAT - who then went under another Japanese sounding moniker on FB. The ban of labels items was lifted thanx to a huge rising of interested parties around the world that all contacted discogs. He is now at it again. I therefore advice all parties to ban and steer clear of this character. Also, check up on his blogs to see if your releases are included in reviews or posted as free rips. Please contact him to have them removed - or the companies running the blogs or server holding the ripped files/reviews to have them deleted.

2) Regarding Krisitan Cole of Red Venice Records I won't go into detail here as it is an official matter now. All I can say he have started a smear campaign against Unrest and certain other members here on SPIF branding them incorrectly as facists. When checking up on the facts presented by Cole, all arguments and accusations falls flat pretty fast. To me it is pretty obvious this is a personal motivated agenda, fueled by a desire for revenge after not being included in the line-up of a certain festival plus more. He then continued to try to have this festival cancelled by alerting the venues with false information that the label and bands infact all where facists. In one instance if I remember correctly, a new venue had to be located due to this. He also posted the article in question in many left and antifa forums - this in order to instigate hatred - and get the left radicals on the barrikads to stop the festival with physical brute force. Luckily most of the postings in these forums where deleted after the label and wrongly branded individuals made direct contact and explained the situation. Though the article remained in libcom, as it seems to be an umoderated forum. The information I have now, is further confirmed when reading the comments in his article: "Unrest Productions, Hate Speech Or Art". I will post Cole's rant in a reply below. It is important that this slandering action is documented - and publically responded to.

Please read the full thing, especially the comments where Richard Ramierz and Svartvit responds.

Note: Me and others have been trying to contact PUNKCAT via FB all day in order to have him explain his stance and the situation, but without luck.

online prowler

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Note: The text have been heavily edited from its original form after Richard Ramirez and Act Svartvit contacted Kristian Cole after being branded as nazis - which they obviously are not.

The following text is pasted from: https://libcom.org/forums/announcements/unrest-productions-hate-speech-or-art-23042014



Unrest Productions, Hate Speech Or Art


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exitingblue
Apr 23 2014 13:08
Unrest Productions, Hate Speech Or Art

Unrest Productions, Hate Speech or Art?

Unrest Productions is a Hampshire based record label run by Martin Wilford. The type of records the label specialises in distributing and creating is a genre called power electronics, occasionally noise music and its many sub genres. As a genre Power Electronics is no stranger to offensive and extreme imagery. Early pioneers of the genre used serial killers and Nazi images as a means to shock and provoke questions to the audience in an artistic and academic sense. Over the years power electronics has changed in a way that is common amongst underground scenes.

One example is the 'Blood and Honour' movement started by Ian Stuart Donaldson of 'Skrewdriver' infamy. In this case punk music was used a vehicle to spreading a message of hate and prejudice against foreign minorities in the British Isles and Europe. The supporting festivals that took place were called 'Rock against Communism' but this is a cover for the real message of hate speech. Is a festival of this nature taking place in two events in London in 2014? Recently members of the public who were outraged by this 'United Forces Of Industrial Festival' premise, were able to have the event shut down.

The Dalston Victoria was unaware of Unrest Productions ideology and stood firm in their decision to not proceed with hosting the event. Now the event is taking place at the Apiary(See festival flyer), a second gig is taking place at Ryan's Bar(See flyer), while both of these flyers seem harmless the venues seem totally unaware/oblivious of the background history of Unrest Productions.

One such release from the label is by an artist called 'Pogrom'. The Artist 'Pogrom' is one man band Levas, residing in Sweden, not to be confused with the Greek neo-Nazi party Golden Dawn's favourite band also called 'Pogrom'. Just so we're clear, a Pogrom is a reference to a riot aimed at massacre or persecution of an ethnic or religious group. Significant pogroms in the Russian Empire included the Odessa pogroms, Warsaw pogrom (1881), Kishinev pogrom (1903), Kiev Pogrom (1905), and Białystok pogrom (1906), and, after the 1917 Russian Revolution, the Lwów pogrom (1918) and Kiev Pogroms (1919). The most significant pogrom of modern times took place in Nazi Germany and was called the Kristallnacht of 1938 in which 91 Jews were killed, a further 30,000 arrested and subsequently incarcerated in concentration camps 1,000 synagogues burned, and over 7,000 Jewish businesses destroyed or damaged. Pogroms album cover is reminiscent of not only WWII anti-Semitic propaganda, as popularised in Julian Streicher's Nationalist magazine of the forties, but in modern Anti-Islamic literature also. The inscribed message can be seen on the Unrest Facebook page for all to see. The message itself sounds very close to the current 'Intellectual' diatribe promoted by the far right movement known as 'Generation Identity'. The image is of a naked burka adorned female with various parts of her body referencing countries that appear to have been 'taken over'. The message makes this reference all clear and how highly racist its intent. This is the type of music being sold from this country by this record label. Also playing the festival is the Birmingham based power electronics artist, 'Iron Fist Of The Sun'. Frontman Lee Howard had plenty to say on the subject of race and pro-heritage in a recent edition of Special Interest magazine.

"My political views are extremely right winged. I have respect for other cultures and races but not at the cost of my own land. My views on my homeland and race pertain to a 'Pro-heritage' stance.' The wording is very carefully used without paraphrasing the usual Nationalist terminology. Homeland and Heritage crop up again and again in Nationalist literature.

Unrest Productions currently have this item for sale in their online store(See image). Streicher, Ulex Xane is a well-known power electronics artist from Australia who has adopted the skinhead culture and lifestyle in his work.

You can see the image used here and the reference to 'White Power Electronics' here. Streicher has a release called 'Juda Verrecke,' The Nazi slogan was 'Juda verrecke,' 'perish Judah,' not 'emigrate Judah.' The full meaning of 'Juda Verrecke' is lost in English translation. It is akin to perishing like a 'lice-ridden cur'. Nazi leaders, among them Josef Goebbels, Julius Streicher, and Hans Frank, frequently described Jews as vermin in need of extermination. The questions remain, how long can Unrest Productions carry on producing this type of merchandise in the United Kingdom? How long can these types of festivals take place?

'Rock Against Communism' is totally underground, whereby 'United Forces Of Industrial' seems to flaunt this ideology freely. Art or Hate speech?




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RichardRamirez69
Apr 26 2014 06:51

Actually a stupid article but someone who obviously doesn't do their research and makes assumptions.
One of the fliers on there is of my band, BLJ. We are a band about the gay leather scene. Yeah, that really fits in with the subject of the article. PLEASE!!! RESEARCH!!!!

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Apr 26 2014 08:16

Kristian C. (who wrote this article) is a nut on a personal vendetta against one of the artists playing at the 9/5 gig and is a self proclaimed nationalsocialist! i'm not sure if his facebook account still screams NEO-NAZI, as he bloked me for confronting his beliefs, look up the user called Red Venice.

but this doesn't change the fact that Unrest Productions does like to flirt a little with fascism and Filth and Violence even more...

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exitingblue
Apr 26 2014 10:04

Richard I'm sorry you feel this way but in highlighting Unrest Productions that had to be put on there, not to worry though I am currently fattening out the article for an up and coming book. I will be sure to include your flier and how supporters are misled over how extreme art is a cover for neo nazi tendencies. I'm mean I was well aware of you homosexuality and I'm all for it, but let's not forget Ernst Rohm was gay, didn't stop him being a member of the original nazi party. But your concern is noted and I wish you well with the gig.

And yes I am a nut, but aren't most conspiracy theorists? My leanings towards any radical party only coincides with my research and I will ask questions from time to time which will inflame but surely pose a question for the academic community to answer. I'm not sure what bloked means, not even in the dictionary tut tut.

I have been really busy with this to be honest, but promise that the next Exiting Blue album is in the pipeline.

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svartvitnoise
Apr 26 2014 17:26

PLEASE READ THE FULL POST. The article linked below has been popping up a couple times over the last few days so I'd say it's time for a 'statement' of sorts. So far it's been removed from it's original link but since then it has been posted to Libcom, a site that I frequently visit for rightful and independent news on politics and activism. You can understand I'm pretty shocked to be featured on there myself in a negative context.

Besides it being a horrible piece of writing I have a few problems with this article which I'll try to address.

First off, I have personal experiences with a lot of the projects and people involved in this label and these events and wouldn't label them neo-nazi or even fascists. Some of them probably have a pretty right-wing view of politics but shaming them for that would only make me the fascist wouldn't it?

I know a lot of it comes out of obsession and provocation, having an extreme interest in a certain subject, approaches widely applied in noise. Some of the bigger names in these fields of music have been pretty provocative in the past, for example Throbbing Gristle or even the Sex Pistols. Some of these projects take it to an extreme that I personally feel uncomfortable with but isn't that the whole point of noise music in general?

Another problem I see with this article is the fact that it lumps in my own show with Black Leather Jesus, Yol and Cementimental. After taking an effort to try and shame some of the projects on the festival he blindly throws us in with them purely because it's the same person organizing it. There's a few things he completely ignores. Since the start of my project I've profiled myself as anarchist and antifascist, my recordings and releases are filled with samples and references to anarchism. Overall I've probably played with more left-wing punk bands than noise acts.

The main act that night, Black Leather Jesus, features very openly homosexual members and have a heavy focus on the gay leather scene. Individually they've all made statements before about their disgust for (neo-)nazis and fascism in general.

Last but not least, Cementimental. Clearly stating to be antifascist on multiple occasions and speaking out against fascism.

The writer of the article runs a label called Red Venice and has gotten into some kind of personal beef with Cementimental over the past months. It's gone on for way too long and is completely unrealistic. Some of my friends have asked for their material to be removed from his label because of his fascist tendencies. He's even gone so far as to shame transgender acts on his own label and make some really messed up statements on immigration.

Now that no one in the noise scene seems to take him serious anymore he's taken on another approach, directly approach venues and shaming artists trying to boycott shows in a personal vendetta against Cementimental.

I could go on forever about all the other things false and incorrect about this article but want to leave you with the main message that a lot of the stuff presented here just doesn't add up. On a personal level I would always distance myself from and confront actual fascist and neo-nazis. In this specific case with all the knowledge I posses I don't see it that way and believe in an artistic freedom up until a certain point. Svartvit is and always will be an anarchist project first and a noise project second.

*I'm always open to questions/discussions on this subject, on here but also in person.*

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exitingblue
Apr 26 2014 21:31

Well Kevin Jansen everyone is all ears, please point out in detail the incorrect parts of the article?

You have to choose a side Kevin really, you cannot be antifascist and anarchist then play this gig by a record label that releases albums of this type and distributes music of this nature.

1. Sex pistols isn't noise, it's punk. The band only ever used a swastika on a t shirt designed by Malcolm mclaren, as shock. Throbbing gristle chose to shock also. The pogrom album certainly doesn't aim to shock but to educate and insight hatred in Europe.

2. Shaming people who have right wing views doesn't make you a fascist. It actually makes you a very poor antifascist, all talk no trousers so to speak. Your silence in regards to the pogrom album at the time of release means you had more self interest in your position in the noise scene rather than speaking out about it.

3. Tim drage and yourself are hypocrites plain and simple.

I really look forward to your justification on your association with the label and it's leaning towards the extreme far right.

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Apr 27 2014 09:15
Quote:

   Some of them probably have a pretty right-wing view of politics but shaming them for that would only make me the fascist wouldn't it?

No.

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exitingblue
Apr 27 2014 11:12
Chilli Sauce wrote:

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       Some of them probably have a pretty right-wing view of politics but shaming them for that would only make me the fascist wouldn't it?

   No.

Genius.

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Chilli Sauce
Apr 27 2014 12:07

Ah, the self up.

To be honest, I have a general problem with folks that throw around the term fascism all willy-nilly. Fascism was/is a specific movement with specific characteristics that occurs as a response to specific capitalist developments.

That said, the idea that it's fascist to criticize (or "shame") those with right-wing views is so absurd and illogical to be laughable - which is why I don't actually think there's much value in even engaging with such stupidity.

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Caiman del Barrio
Apr 27 2014 13:41

Chilli, leave 'em be for a minute. I'm looking forward to the next mad band name to pop up. Grind Beef in a Plug Socket? Gargledeath? Gutterworm Orgy? I would actually like to propose some sort of Libcom bingo here.

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Quote from: Peterson on November 25, 2014, 10:49:11 PM
I can understand how one would want to fucking smash people of this disposition, especially these two, but the "threat" they are posing is negligible.

People toss around the phrase "hypocrite" like a fucking shot-put nowadays. They assume it's going to mean something when it lands. And they seem to think it can't apply to them, only the subject of their derision. I think those making "transphobic" comments probably shouldn't be paid much attention when whining about "fascism" or whatever.

I would like to see some links to the anti-transgender and anti-immigration comments this guy has made. Sounds really funny.  

This is not a desire to crush individuals. As I said earlier today elsewhere: people online nowadays don't see themselves as accountable for their actions and what they state. Seldom is there any reaction to situations like this also. So: This is my reaction towards this - as well as focal point on the unfounded smear campaign PUNKCAT did earlier with F&V + FA - and what he is starting again towards Unrest.

Regarding Cole's statements in his text.... I agree with you regarding transphobic, to attack minorites is beneath any standard, but it has to be said that political radicalism is just as questionable be the colour red, black or eco green. It was also stated in the comments that he is an articulated nazi - I have seen this elsewhere also, but I cannot say if it is a valid statement or not - I can just point out the fact that this is mentioned everywhere this case is in question. People will have to decide for themselves. I personally don't care less for politics whatever wing. What people do is their buisness, but I have to confess its a little odd to see possible right affiliations and the written Anti-Unrest text.  

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QuoteI would like to see some links to the anti-transgender and anti-immigration comments this guy has made. Sounds really funny.

Most of it is on now-deleted facebook/blogs/etc, some screenshots exist here and there... Most not even particularly funny or interesting, just bog standard ignorance and BNP facebook meme images.

This whole thing traces back to his beefs with a certain trans noise/drone artist, before he fell out with her he was being all super-PC and making a big thing of having a trans artist on his label. His whole MO is sour grapes to the Nth degree.

online prowler

PUNKCAT has deleted slandering posts in FB noise groups - or moderators have taken responsability. No statement given from that trench yet of his behaviour or reason behind postings.