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« on: December 13, 2009, 09:55:35 PM »

Lets modify the name of topic a bit, since many posts are also dealing with not really pornographic, but just matters related to sexuality of some sort..

All my time on noisefanatics.com power electronics moderator, there was about 800 posts and close to 50000 views in similar topic in little more than 2 years, being EASILY the most popular topic.

Art of pornography
vintage pornography
modern day pornography
gutter level filth
zero artistic level junk
pornography that connects with experimental music

Books, mags, videos, loops, advice, experience,..
drawings, paintings, photography,.....
.....whatever that is subject of interest.

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And now when it seems like thread has taken new directions too, news/articles and other topic related to sexuality.

NO links to illegal content.
NO repeated photographic posting of XXX content. This is discussion forum, not photo forum. Sometimes, if necessary, accompanied art may be included. Links to sites without pop-up/virus/spyware hazards + non-pay sites is fine, when you add comments.
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« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2009, 10:26:23 AM »

This is re-post from other forum, but maybe people missed it. Or not. Who knows.
I know some swedish of the forum had opportunity to score massive load of super-8 loops. Anything checked out yet? Any double copies to get rid of?
Any missing covers? I think I have handful of Lasse Braun covers without loops. If you got loops without covers, maybe we get some kind of deal..




Due circumstances that I had to transfer one 8mm film to DVD, when I happened to have all equipment ready, decided to watch some old filth loops. Started with

THE AUCTION, House of Milan 1981, 55meter loop
Due age, film stock already starting to corrupt into red tones, but it would bring just extra vintage wibes. This presents the early 80's HOM atmosphere. No more so violent or dark as their early materials. No home intruders torturing & raping, but more of damsel in distress genre bondage. Still healty 70's looks, girls struggling in ropes, leather cuffs, one full clad in PVC outfit. Normal livingroom setting, ball gags, lots of close-ups of facial expressions and girls wriggling on floor in various angles.

STEEL AND LEATHER, House of Milan 1982, 55 meter loop
Better condition film, and very similar to stuff above. Tied, gagged, chained. Wriggling on living room floor. Very much traditional american vintage bondage style. One can only admire the expressive faces and the style of how girls wriggle in the ropes. It is not violent or brutal, but this is about as close as you can get into stylish bondage atmosphere in moving image.

THE PROSTITUTE AND THE SADIST, Sadio Film 1975, 60 meter loop
Sadio film is the more brutal line of Exim Trading. I think nothing can be found from web about it, but as far as I know, Sadio mags, books, etc all was related to Blue Movies shop in Copenhagen, notorious source of all extremist pornography of the time. Some Sadio books like Lolita Skolen and Lolita Slavinder can be still bought from the shop if one happens to have tourist visit in Copenhagen.
Anyways, this Danish s/m film has much more darker approach that those HOM inc loops. Story is about gentleman picking up street prostitute with giving her nice amount of cash. Just to lead her into underground s/m dungeon, chain her up to concrete wall, steal back the money and laugh about it. Heavy whipping, pussy torture with chain, whip handle penetration, burning girl with cigar stub. Everything is fake, though. You can't see any marks on her skin, but the action looks very intense. Guy whips her like there's no tomorrow. And being grainy & blurry film loop, it all just intensifies. Very nice stuff. I don't know has these Sadio loops ever been published on vhs or dvd? At least I have never seen one. I think, should be. Or perhaps not. There is something so good about original film, compared to dvd copy.

That said, had to dig up:
ALWAYS PREPARED !, Teenage Sex/Color Climax 1978, 60 meters
Any devotees of vintage porn will know what I'm talking about, when I mention name TINY TOVE.
Quote:TOVE JENSEN BIOGRAPHY
Tove Jensen was born in Sweden in April 1958.
Not much is known about Tove because her career in the adult industry - whilst fruitful - was short.
What is known is that Tove got into the adult business soon after turning 18 years old. With the loss of her father at an early age, her mother became her inspiration (although that might be putting it somewhat too strongly!).
Already a porn actress, Tove's mother persuaded her to try the industry out for herself and it is a recorded fact that they once appeared together. Where and when this was is for you to work out.
After a few short years in the industry, Tove suddenly quit when realising that this was not going to be a "lifelong career".
Quitting Denmark (where most of the shoots were made), her friends took her to sea, at her request, and she has never been seen in the adult industry since. She also vowed to pursue her privacy which continues to be respected to this day.
The film shoots were laid down on Super 8mm film but have miraculously survived the test of time. Not everything that Tove made is available but a large majority was preserved by the legendary Danish studio, Color Climax.
Incidentally, despite some claims to the otherwise, only Color Climax have the recognised right to license Tove's photosets and film shoots.
Although Tove quit the adult industry, we should be grateful that much of what she made is available to this day!
www.tovejensen.com

Got couple of the original loops of her stuff. Site above says this film would be from 1980, but having the original loop box in my hand, it says (c) 1978. Her actual age and date of filming, I would suppose, remains pretty much a myth. She can be 20 when she made this, or maybe not. Whatever the case, there is always something nice about girl scouts in the uniforms, sucking big cocks, ready to fuck, without removing all the clothing. Great picture quality, great cutting/editing/camera work. If you check out the tiny sample pictures given in site above, they are all from this loop. Where are the icons of modern times xxx? Nowhere. All the fuck toys nobody gives a fuck. But some of these girls who are now grannies, are still hunted and worshipped around the world. Remember when Taschen did that hardcover collectors edition photobook of Venessa Del Rio? Pretty retarded 500$ price tag, but I'm sure it's sold out by now. If they'd get lisences to Tiny Tove pics and film scans, I'm sure this would be even more wanted. Porn guys don't seem to understand value of material they sit on.
Those who want dvd's, quite recently Erpe Trading aquired all dvd lisences of old CCC videos. Now dvd's of this stuff available with ease. Including the beastility flix.


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BIG JOHN, expo film no 60. Color Climax 1975
As name says, this is some of the legendary junk from mr. John Holmes. I never really cared to collect any Holmes work on VHS, but nowadays I guess I have c. 80 film loops of his. This is really not different in any way. The icon of american xxx, with half erect donkey cock, doing all what has to be done. In the end surprisingly tightly framed close-up of into-the-mouth ejaculation with girl playing with extensive loogie on her lips.

WILD L0LITA, Beauty Film No. 1422, 197?
Girls look like they'd be something between 18-20. Youthful, but not really more than usual. White t-shirts, piggy tails on the blonde one, brutally aged hair-do on the brunette. These wild cases start to "bottle rotation" game for undressing and sooner than you expect, they are fucking. BJ's, fucking, 3-some action, with brunette taking it up the ass. She seems to be the wilder one, feasting with the cum that shot in guys own belly with such a enthusiasm that it ain't directors "go for it!" what made her do it. Decent film.

HAND FUCKERS, Expo Film no 128, Color Climax 1982
2 girls arrive to Copenhagen central trainstation. That place looks the same still today. They try to read the map in wind just in same location I was just couple months ago, when trying to figure out my way to old XXX shops buy these damned loops!
Moustache man enters and takes them to hotel. They zoom into hotel signs in a way that it must have been paid promotions! One female goes to shower, other uncap the booze bottle. Few sips later they are fucking and the brunette joins in after she comes back. It doesn't take long until blonde is wrist deep in brunettes tight cunt. Guy remotely interested to lick little bit of clit and you get glimpse of his soft penis. Girls continue and eventually guy is prepared to shoot load over blonde face while she is fisting. But what the fuck? Films ends. You just see CCC credits. Moneyshot is documented in front cover in vivid colors, but film itself lacks it. I'm protesting for sake of some standards in pornography. It was ok film, nevertheless.

CAPTIVE!, House of Milan inc, 1980
Yesterday watched those couple loops that came 1-2 years later. I'm very happy to report that this is even better. We're talking about the dark nature of old US bondage classics. Camoflage army clothed guy with black commando mask, sleeves rolled up so you see the muscular hairy arms and crude hands, what make sure this female in anonymous shitty warehouse setting gets what she deserves. Guy is determined and trained with doing exactly what he needs to. He is cold and emotionless guy, who doesn't seem to even have hard on, nor do any sexual things. He just ties her up, hangs her from roof, tortures nipples with clips, whips, slaps, cropes a bit. I really rally admire the way, that these old HOM Inc materials manage to capture such a spirit without ANY real "normal" sexual stuff. Whole clip, never female removes the panties. They do tie ropes in a way that they bury deep into cunt-crack, but no prenetration, no oral or other sex. Angles, lightning, settings, image quality. All just fucking brilliant. Those who don't care to spend time on hunting loops, check out either Gold Medal companys old Bondage Classics VHS compilations or Alpha Blue Archives loop collections. You will find plenty of HOM stuff there.
And to ask some questions what has bugged me for about 15 years: anyone ever seen GOOD H.O.M. inc magazine? Especially in 80's and 90's they farted out about zillion of glossy bondage photo magazines, but they all suck ass. It's like some 2nd rate vivid video / american porn stars in shitty poses. No intruders, rapists, sadists, crude settings.. no good rope bondage, no good cuffs/shakels whatever. Just plain shit what they remember always to call "love bondage" or whatever.

JOSEFINE MUTZENBACHER - verbotene Leidenschaft, starlight film 150m, 1977
This is actually just.. is it one out of five?? Or one out of six? Nevertheless, part #4 of the longer film originally created by German Herzog company I believe? They were responsible for some extremely high production value full feature films. Include Catharine the Great 1-2 and these Josefine films, which I think exists at least 4??
Anyways, I remember when I was little boy, perhaps at age of 13 or something, and happened to see the full length VHS of this film. That, and the trailer of Catherine the great was something that possessed me for decades. I remember in 2005 or so, being in London SOHO, in one small porn shop who tried to scam me on selling supposedly old Color Climax loops on dvd which I wanted. It turned out this dvd was blank. Next day I return and challenge owner for rip off. He comes up with BS explanations, doesn't want to give money back, but what do you know, in shelves I see bootleg DVDR copies of 4 Josefina films. I grab them, and am happy with the deal after all. One of them didn't work. Well, anyways, it was great trip back to memory lane to the movie I remembered from the past. Later on I purchased the official german dvd re-issues of many Herzog films, and can say it is most recommended for those who want to see well done feature films with hardcore XXX scenes. Anyways, this loop, being impartial and imperfect copy (few minutes missing from beginning) is still good thing to watch.
Those who know nothing about this case, maybe need to update their history lessons in erotica.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Mutzenbacher
Book should be available in most of languages, including Finnish. You can get the old cheap paperback from seedy 2nd hand bookshops with luck.

Quote:On 27 November 1990 The Bundesverfassungsgericht (Federal Constitutional Court of Germany) made what is now known as "The Mutzenbacher Decision". The Court prefaced their verdict by referring to two other seminal freedom of expression cases from previous German Case Law, the Mephisto Decision and the Anachronistischer Decision. The court ruled that under the German Grundgesetz (constitution) chapter about Kunstfreiheit (Freedom of art) the novel Josephine Mutzenbacher was both pornography and art, and that the former is not necessary and sufficient to deny the latter. In plain English, even though the contents of Josephine Mutzenbacher are pornographic, they are still considered art and in the process of "indexing" the book, the aspect of freedom of art has to be considered. The court's ruling forced the BPjM to temporarily remove the Rowohlt edition of Josephine Mutzenbacher from its "list of youth-endangering media". This edition was added to the list again in 1992 in a new decision of the BPjM which considered the aspect of freedom of art, but deemed the aspect of protecting children to be more important. Later editions of the book by other publishers were not added to the list.

In film version, Josefina is quoted to be 17 (although acress looks much older, born in 1953, so you can do the math). Original book scrip, she is hardly that. Plot synopsis from wikipedia:
Quote:The plot device employed in Josephine Mutzenbacher is that of first-person narrative, structured in the format of a memoir. The story is told from the point of view of an accomplished aging 50-year-old Viennese courtesan who is looking back upon the sexual escapades she enjoyed during her unbridled youth in Vienna. Contrary to the what the title indicates, the entirety of the book takes place when Josephine is between the ages of 5–12 years old, before she actually becomes a licensed prostitute in the brothels of Vienna. The book begins when she is five years old and ends when she is twelve years old and about to enter professional service in a brothel.

Although the book makes use of many "euphemisms" for human anatomy and sexual behavior that seem quaint today, its content is entirely pornographic and unmistakably deviant in nature. The actual progression of events amounts to little more than a graphic, unapologetic description of the reckless sexuality exhibited by the heroine, all before reaching her 13th year. The style bears more than a passing resemblance to the Marquis de Sade's The 120 Days of Sodom in its unabashed "laundry list" cataloging of all manner of taboo sexual antics from incest, rape and homosexuality to child prostitution, group sex and fellatio.


So if you feel like you should catch up something about classic literature, be sure this is one on the list. I remember reading it pretty young on my teenage years, and back then, didn't think there was anything shocking about it.

Anyways, back to loops:

THE KIDNAPPERS, candy's climax no. 15, 1972
Man and woman kidnap teenager from the street, enageg into pretty consensual 3-some. Girl escapes from window before the couple climaxes. They laught about it, nothing more. It is very nice standard copenhagen sex loop. It has the 70's sleaze wibe, the sinful themes of forced sex, rape, age differences, etc etc. But in end, it's like amusing breeze of european sexual revolution, nothing hard, nothing illegal. Same company produced decent like of other loops including Play with the dog, Spanking For Three, Lucky Dog, The Rubberboy, Hot Studio, and more.. Got most of these 15 titles they advertize in catalogue that comes with loop. In the box there are full color catalogue of BIZARRE (one of the countless series on same name). Including films Spanking Ritual, Sadismus, Flagellantismus, Bizarre, Pincushion, Rubber and Urine Sadism, The cat of nine tails. 7 loops... anyone seen any? Preview pictures looks great. I have vague recollection of having one or two but will have to go through the collection...

At that point, had to stop and go fuck in real life. Perhaps more films tomorrow.
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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2009, 10:54:38 AM »

I know some swedish of the forum had opportunity to score massive load of super-8 loops. Anything checked out yet? Any double copies to get rid of?
Any missing covers? I think I have handful of Lasse Braun covers without loops. If you got loops without covers, maybe we get some kind of deal..

Yes, that would be me. I bought around 60 loops, most of them by Lasse Braun. Unfortunately, only two of them had covers. I haven't been able to check anything out yet as I don't have a projector. There might be double copies, some of them are only labeled with Lasse's catalogue number and nothing more, so I can't be certain of exactly what titles I have.

You can expect a list with more information as soon as I have access to a projector, and am able to sort everything out.
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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2009, 10:58:48 AM »

If you swing by GBG this Christmas bring the films and we can arrange a toolbox night. Either at my office or at Utmarken (I'm sure the boys want to be a part of it.) I have all the projectors you need and more...

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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2009, 12:11:27 PM »

As someone who has little interest in porn but does indeed enjoy reading the gruesome tales of human suffering, how about a list featuring pornstars who met premature ends? With as much details as possible of course. There must be hundreds if not thousands of them.
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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2009, 06:12:13 PM »

I think there was one pretty amusing case, where girl that had done scenes with Max HC, and what I recall, didn't like what she experienced and filed even lawsuit. Material is withdrawn from market. Anyways, not long after she ends up blowing her brains out with shotgun.
Max is such a classy guy, that years later for European edition of one of the HARDER THAN HARDCORE dvd's, he puts the uncut scene with song "shotgun suicide" as soundtrack. Got that dvd somewhere.

I don't know if the actress is dead yet or not, but the one girl who happened to catch HIV from filmshoot, and she was desperate, obviously, being basically sentenced to death. Guys at JM Productions are good-doers enough to hire her for American Bukkake #1, to get dozens and dozens of loads all over her face & mouth. They justified it that girl needed money, and there was no danger since there was no physical contact. Just loogies of jizz splattering over her pretty infected face. Probably have VHS copy of AB#1 somewhere. Not very good scene, but pretty unique when you know some backgrounds.

TheGreatExxxtrasy: have you read book TALES FROM THE TIMESQUARE ? Feral House re-printed it with additional +100 pages. Thats book to read. I need to get myself the updated version.
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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2009, 06:15:46 PM »

I would like to recommend something from Poland from these days. This is my friend's project SUKA OFF. He explores performance art, body art, video art, photo art. He started in second half 1990s. He is one of the most controversial artist in Poland. In last months he collaborates with one of the best Polish noise / power electronics project VILGOĆ. I hope you like it. I am curious your reflections.

First one:

"POSESSION" www.insideflesh.com password: possession (type it! No copy or paste and next click on cross)

Second:
"HIDDENROOM" www.insideflesh.com password: hiddenroom

Third:
"WHITEFLESH" www.insideflesh.com password: whiteflesh

Fourth:

"CARNALFLUIDITY" www.insideflesh.com passowrd: carnalfluidity


Something yet: http://www.vimeo.com/2936215


And his the latest in this year performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwmRW9e5EbE
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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2009, 04:57:33 PM »

As someone who has little interest in porn but does indeed enjoy reading the gruesome tales of human suffering, how about a list featuring pornstars who met premature ends? With as much details as possible of course. There must be hundreds if not thousands of them.

it's going on non-stop. this happened a few days ago... some gay porn starlet chocked on a bag of weed, trying to hide it from the cops. there's a video of the incident under "update #1". doesn't look like fun there.

http://www.gaypornblog.com/archives/2009/12/gay_porn_star_dustin_michaels_chokes_to_death_in_police_custody.html#more

and yeah, i only read this blog because of... ahem... ummm... sociological observation!
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2009, 09:53:11 PM »

Gossip, celebrities, pretty ok xxx action, low amateur quality. I guess worth of couple of minutes of ones life:

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/11/18/2009-1118_miss_universe_s3x_scandal_miss_trinidadtabago_sex_video_stolen_from_laptop_claim.html

http://www.pornhost.com/4466017989/
http://www.pornhost.com/4730821530/
http://www.pornhost.com/7747401073/
http://www.pornhost.com/3391126628/
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2009, 06:07:16 PM »

http://www.dirtydiaries.se/

first ever feminist porno art dvd compilation. Ehm.. DVD release date january.
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2009, 06:18:01 PM »

http://www.dirtydiaries.se/

first ever feminist porno art dvd compilation. Ehm.. DVD release date january.

Supported by the Swedish Film Institute. Even had a spell at the cinemas in Sweden... did I bother to go? Not may people did and neither did I.
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2009, 06:31:41 PM »

I would like to recommend something from Poland from these days. This is my friend's project SUKA OFF. He explores performance art, body art, video art, photo art. He started in second half 1990s. He is one of the most controversial artist in Poland. In last months he collaborates with one of the best Polish noise / power electronics project VILGOĆ. I hope you like it. I am curious your reflections.

Thanks for the links! POSSESSION was easily the best one here. Whiteflesh I found annoying.  I'm kind of very bored with techno/urban/modern fetish/club electro dance/marilyn manson/monster male sex-grotesque/ etc. wibes. And it was all that. Possession was more just stylish. I think the fast editing with blurred/film decay simulations/etc. are the kind of modern cliche after all the Seven / Ring etc type of popular movies, but it is still fine. Girl is nice. At her best in Possession.

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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2009, 06:50:59 PM »

Supported by the Swedish Film Institute. Even had a spell at the cinemas in Sweden... did I bother to go? Not may people did and neither did I.

haha! Well, I was just reading about it in Finnish free newspaper VOIMA! (power!). Pinko city hippie save the world conspiracy newspaper. Obviously they were very happy about finally pornography being removed from stigmas. Redifined from "jerk off material of men", into "depictions of lust" or "depictions of nude people", without exploitation, without male pigs having their ways. As if it wouldn't have been done. As if there wasn't feminists in porn since... I don't know, 70's? As if porn videos would be about perfect models with mainstream beauty ideals.
I just think, that when you remove all the things like:
-state funded concept art shot on cellphones
-lesbians having fun with their arts school friends
-mainstream media attention & nice status as some kind of "pioneer"
would they be doing this?
And how they would view about 1000000000000000000000000 videos made by hetero couples around the world all the time, uploaded on www, available free of charge online for millions of viewers. Or the german old couples assfucking dressed in raincoats in their bedroom. Ugly, nasty, hardly no money involved. VHS in some shelves waiting customer who likes the kind of thing as opposed to mainstream beauty queens. It isn't cool. It isn't worth of writing about in these modern radical newspapers. Nobody cares, but they guy with cock at his hand.
I reather be that guy.
I remember when book of one famous "slave" was published. She had website, she was public figure in the finnish BDSM scene. Her book was such a egotrip, from supposed lousy life of giving asshole to strangers in first date, to find her lovely master who took control of her. She wrote how the shows she and her elegant and sophisticated friends did and everybody loved them. And few lines later she would be writing extremely hostile text about all the uncool old men in womens nightdresses. Who should be away from "their scene". The disgusting fuckers.
And then you wonder, why people hate: lesbians, feminists.. well, women in general.
That's why.
You can't live without them, of course. But when woman artists has "something to say", I find myself often thinking "oh shit, this IS going to be hard.."
That's also reason why I intend to buy the DVD when I have the chance. It is sometimes nice to torture yourself if it proves a point.
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2009, 07:10:06 PM »

I was intending on going to kino engel to see it in a long coat and maybe rub one out. but I didnt , there were financial issues to consider but the biggest thing was that lesbians suck. they are not intrested in me and im not intrested in them.

but it would have been nice to see cellphone shot things on the silverscreen instead of the computer screen which is usually the place for that type of material.

I cant remember if anybody mentioned in the maniacs pornothread about amateur dvds. theres dogging and of course older stuff on vhs but ive not seen or heard of any series consentrating in new amateurs, selfshooters etc.so I have no problems nerding around to find tasty stuff. an internet phenominon that greatly suits my tastes and financial situation hahah

theres so much variety in them, from brutal throatfucking that makes you wonder that these people are really in a relationship because it lookes like abuse to akward teens(8teen+ of course...) having romantic fucks in the bushes.
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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2009, 07:36:45 PM »

Well I rather take lesbians than the "transsexual" Esther the guy on the left... This picture is actually flattering. He did one of the cell-phone films.



I just can't be bother translating what the Swedish Film Institute wrote when they gave them money but for you Swedes and Finns (that read Swedish) here you go.

”Dirty Diaries” (experiment, vuxen)
Regi och manus: Mia Engberg, m fl
Producent: Göran Olsson, Mia Engberg, Story AB
Stödbelopp: 150 000 kronor
Filmkonsulent Andra Lasmanis

En samling erotiska kortfilmer gjorda av kvinnor med en mobiltelefon-kamera. Projektet syftar till att omdefiniera porren och göra den queer, feministisk och nyskapande. Regissörerna är kända och okända och har gjort filmerna med bara två gemensamma regler: Ingen får komma till skada under inspelningen och alla medverkande är över 18 år.

And Mikko you will most certanily love the film. 150 000 kronor is roughly 15 000 EURO.
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