Radicalisation in society

Started by online prowler, May 02, 2013, 01:55:23 PM

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FreakAnimalFinland

Which is bound to fall. Did I say it already, but think of how much radicalization there is now, so what happens when there are REAL crisis?  I mean, even in Finland pretty much every media and state level politicians are worried of radicalization and hatred among population - and now, despite sort of crisis, we live in most wealthy era ever existed. It shows that money isn't all there is to it.
Lets see when real crisis hits in. Shortage of basic supplies, social disorder involving most of all "the others". It might become unbearable situation for current system.
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burdizzo

I don't know what it's like in Finland, if there the nationalist parties there are strong, or if there is trouble in immigrant areas. However, such things have, as you know, already occured in France, London, etc., and the 'system' seems to have coped with it after little bit of fuss. Things are more or less back to the way they were, at least as far as I can tell. Mind you, I live in neither place, so it's hard to tell!
I'm a little pessimistic. I don't see the EU-influenced 'system' falling that easily. When will there be a shortage of basic supplies in Europe? Hasn't there always been a certain amount of radicalisation in society, and is it more now than ever? I mean, here in Ireland, there have always been trouble between Catholic and Protestant identity, often much worse than now. It still persists - and will erupt again, no doubt - but nevertheless, the 'system' has survived regardless.
Perhaps the politicians and media exaggerate the threat to the status quo, just to reinforce it?

FreakAnimalFinland

I think it is not merely question connected to immigration. In Finland we do not have problem really. We only have groups who have caution that we do not want problem of even that level.

Some things are simply unbearable. Like over harvesting the food supplies. Like demolition of social welfare (health care, pension system, etc) you paid for etc.  Some occasional flaming suburbs is hardly such problem what state couldn't cope, but as said, the real crisis. Lack of resources, lack of food supply, lack of any sort of future material needs of life, etc.  Lets think of small town where no job, no hospital, no police, no firebrigade, suddenly is revealed that all your savings for pension ain't worth shit. All local business is in hands of multinational corporations, who swindled the last cents of profits abroad with clever "tax planning". Near by mining company polluted your local river and lake, etc.   The radical youth of suburbs is ready to burn couple cars because it's fun. But they still are able to maintain their lives via social welfare & criminal activity.
The upstanding guy who lost everything he build, except the shotgun and ammunition - may be much more crucial factor in REAL radicalization.

In real radicalization, the key word is the middleclass.  There will be always tumult among working class and extremist circles. Including the areas that everybody considers to be such areas. Even for petty reasons. What I mean, is radicalization in moment when middle class family men see that all we can do, is to take baseball bats, shotguns and seek for target of punishment. For this to happen, I believe, one only needs some of basics of life removed where basics of survival sparks into life. And it also could demand few charismatic agitators with well grounded opinions.
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burdizzo

Yes, you are right, most revolutions are driven by the middle classes. If they see they have nothing left to lose, then... BOOM! Like Greece? Well, the system survives there, too. Here, in Ireland, we also had the 'bail-out' and 'austerity', and a lot of people did lose their pensions, hospitals are closing, towns are losing police stations etc. Yet people here do not protest about it as in Greece, and they seem to swallow it more easily. I don't know the reason, but it seems we are more easy to keep in line. Sure, there have been protests, but nothing violent. Give us a something about the 'national question' (Northern Ireland), and then we'll riot, but otherwise, forget it!
Perhaps the thing is that there is no widespread scarcity of food - isn't that the spark that often starts revolutions, too? We have plenty of food in Europe, and I don't see that changing. I suppose if there were serious environmental factors food prices could go up, and so food could become too expensive for some, but the EU already has the Common Agricultural Policy, which is essentially a 'cheap food' policy, and that guards against food prices going so high. Perhaps that's why we have the CAP, after all - to stymie revolt against the European 'project'!

tiny_tove

I know this is now a news thread, but I think this is a classic example of radicalisation in society...

Men built X-ray gun to shoot Israel opponents – FBI http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/20/x-ray-gun-israel-fbi

twisted plot... a pro-israeli madman that asks for funds to KKK, who then snitches on him... absolutely brilliant stuff
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HongKongGoolagong

https://soundcloud.com/hsm-press-office/nipeni-silaha-yangu - tribute to the hostage-takers in the Kenyan mall just published via the HSM_PR twitter feed - quite pleasant chanting really, the Swahili makes for a gentler experience on the ears than Arabic nasheeds.

online prowler

Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on September 24, 2013, 08:52:11 PM
https://soundcloud.com/hsm-press-office/nipeni-silaha-yangu - tribute to the hostage-takers in the Kenyan mall just published via the HSM_PR twitter feed - quite pleasant chanting really, the Swahili makes for a gentler experience on the ears than Arabic nasheeds.

This one was golden with a big G. Thanx! Apparently the Kenyan government have taken control over the situation and resolved it now according to BBC radio.

online prowler

#38
JIHADOLOGY

INSPIRE - Al-Qaida/A militant muslim online magazine w intent to radicalize individuals.

http://jihadology.net/category/inspire-magazine/

Inspire # 1:
http://azelin.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/inspire-magazine-issue-11.pdf


Norweigian Hassan Abdi Dhuhulow wanted globally for his presumed involvement in the Nairobi mall atack.

BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24569512

SEATTLE TIMES:
http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2022070305_apxkenyamall.html


FreakAnimalFinland

Moved link here as it had nothing to do with "PC", but perhaps everything to do with radicalization of society?
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Ashley Choke

Sure, makes sense. I posted in "PC Faggotry" thread since I was thinking it could be rare occasion where extreme leftist are actually taking a "proper" stand and targeting the actual enemy. Who knows, might as well just be the Turkish mafia or something :)

FreakAnimalFinland

Well, that hardly is "PC" by any standard. Simply violent political struggle. I recall reading that there has been police near by GD headquarters in other days, but not this. Certainly it can make conspiracy theorists wonder the governments involvement. Certainly they have done things to get GD away from politics.

It's hard to say whether "leftists" are taking proper stand if they attack (still slightly) fringe movement rather than focusing on the forces who actually are in control.
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bitewerksMTB

#43
Is the Golden Dawn a proper political party (members actually run for office) or more of an 'organization'?

My local party actually ran that same article in today's paper. I guess they needed something to fill up space.

FreakAnimalFinland

Golden Dawn was for long small organization. In few years they suddenly grew to become... is it now 3rd biggest party in parliament?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(political_party)

Leadership of party is currently arrested under charges of forming criminal organization.
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