Special Interest
January 30, 2023, 10:09:56 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News:
 
   Home   Help Login Register  

Pages: 1 2 [3]
  Print  
Author Topic: SI website updates / Essays on noise!  (Read 8446 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
FreakAnimalFinland
MODERATOR
Administrator
Overkill user
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 5015



WWW
« Reply #30 on: July 13, 2022, 08:33:59 AM »

Depending how you want to to stretch definition of noise/industrial, but lets say Dave Phillips "sixth mass extinction" observing the current issues at hand.

LP comes with newspaper format insert with plenty of things. Info of B-side says:
Quote
radical hope - live action (studio version):
this incarnation of live action was initiated in january 2016 and has developed since. triggered by a broken heart, it’s a critical analysis of subjective behaviourisms, self-reflections, self-criticisms and conclusions thereof. the subsequent translation of derived intentions into ritualised actions include purging, activating learning and healing processes, self-betterment, empowerment and hair-burning. has since morphed into a piece about the relationship of the human as a species with planet earth as a cherished entity, such as a loved one, a friend, a partner, a companion, a parent or a family member, a home or an origin.

I don't think approach of original industrial has changed or became obsolete. It would be just matter of seeing what is topic/theme what is the substance. What would be the substance that is no longer strong or at least has potential - I doubt there is such thing. On superficial level we may no longer relate to some details that is used. Characters we don't know, history that we are not aware of, references we no longer really understand, but the actual substance that is beyond that level, remains as strong as ever.

There very neat insight of trends in contemporary noise found on S&W forum:
http://screamandwrithe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=343
3rd message on topic buy apneicvoid finds very nicely the contemporary trends. Like many say, top-3 fits more widely with art, but also to society and overall dialogue very well. But perhaps the the core of analysis is what of those categories would be now trending, haha.

Lets say, we have fairly abundant conclusions, that Interracial Sex, Himukalt or Koufar would be the strong new and fresh things out there. This can be true, I do not object that. Each produced growingly better recordings and are recognized for them. But there are countless artists doing great recordings. Looking why it would be so, could be explained, besides good noise, that there is notion of personal. Most advocate people who glorify mentioned project, appear to do it based on category how personal and "real" is it. Socio-Political category being interesting thing as well, as it often includes the personal element, do we value content unless the creator is underlined to be talking about first hand experience?

Dave Phillips, it certainly is personal too (subjective behaviourisms, self-reflections, self-criticisms and conclusions thereof. the subsequent translation of derived intentions into ritualised actions include purging, activating learning and healing processes, self-betterment, empowerment and hair-burning), but also expands it to level where we regardless do we know of DP or who, what, when, where he is, work speaks.

I think neat example how there is a bit of personal, bit of sociopolitical, bit of other things, is Cryptofascisme mentioned in other topic(s). French man, who uses topics of french taboos. They are not personal in a way, that he would necessarily talk of himself or his experiences. But they certainly belong to the cultural climate what probably effects a lot of things. There and elsewhere. Even the identity and history of country or people, who prefer to be known as good guys on the right side of history. Those who may not know, Cryptofascisme deals with things like French role in Somalian genocide. French nuclear tests in africa back in 60's. That kind of things what in 2022 may appear as "ancient history", even if they might just be the key to explain some of the current behavior, current attitudes, current social transitions that are happening.  Some could rule them out as topics of generic industrial music, yet there is strength to use them to see something bigger... If one needs something contemporary, one could easily take observation of currently hot topics of extinction of species etc. One can cry about evil japanese killing whales and dolphins or watch video of bloody massacre at the faroe island.. but I would suspect some french man could provide a bit of cold statistic about this matter, hah...  In very much core of industrial noise. To see beyond personal, beyond emotion, and things that often remain hidden below surface. Not to be downsized into personal experience or character of creator. I think that exactly is what usually needs a bit of age/maturity.

In situation where "personal" is glorified as superior to other type of content, emerges some things I find counter productive for noise/industrial. I wrote a piece about it for SI earlier this summer, but it became way too long for online publication, so it has to wait for future paper magazines.
« Last Edit: July 13, 2022, 08:46:00 AM by FreakAnimalFinland » Logged

E-mail: fanimal +a+ cfprod,com
MAGAZINE: http://www.special-interests.net
LABEL / DISTRIBUTION: FREAK ANIMAL http://www.nhfastore.net
HONOR_IS_KING!
Heavy user
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 409



« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2022, 06:11:12 PM »

For Koufar one note I'd like to make clear. In the projects history only 2-3 releases have deeply personal lyrics, themes within them.

The rest are all about Lebanese history and culture. Sure, I've gotten to experience war, a refugee camp and topics surrounding the world of Lebanon. I mean whats more Industrial then say a society conflicting over their identity like on the "Phoenicianism" release? Whats more PE then discussing/presenting a massacre/genocide ("1(7)8(7)6(7)0") as well as touching on some of the most ugliest infighting from my people (leaders killing their own, as well as their victims families)?

I guess the "realness" factor just comes from the simple reality that the topics all occurred according to history or are actively happening. "Realness" in that sense that my Grandfather has been captured on film numerous times shaking hands, giving kisses (like the italians kissing on the cheek) with Bachir Gemayel and his father Pierre who both are mentioned extensively throughout the discography and the collaboration with SHIFT being wholly dedicated to Pierre Gemayel.

Koufar isn't completely about "the self", never really has been looking back now at the discography and anyone saying that obviously isn't listening, or reading into things at all. Has only been a cog in the rest of the machine that is Koufar.

Also, been wanting me to bring up this point for sometimes but the fact is that SLOGUN is a project that is all those things you think detrimental to Industrial/PE, Mikko. A Project that is influenced heavily by his life, the streets, and hip hop culture (particularly graffiti). I still have Jon's performance notes from the final performance and in it Jon specifically writes, "do not look at the audience, make it about yourself," and also my favorite "I exist because of this". A whole lot of "ME" talk. Maybe needs a new thread, but frankly I think SLOGUN is that "real life" shit minus the albums he's done about serial killers. I don't think what SLOGUN has done is do any harm but open the door for others who want to explore that side of PE/Industrial which I think is valid as any other.
Logged

KOUFAR x TERROR CELL UNIT
https://soundcloud.com/crimesofthecrown

PSALM 109
FreakAnimalFinland
MODERATOR
Administrator
Overkill user
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 5015



WWW
« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2022, 08:18:48 AM »

For Koufar one note I'd like to make clear. In the projects history only 2-3 releases have deeply personal lyrics, themes within them.

Link that was given, Koufar was indeed included in the 2nd category, "Socio-political" with comment of often overlaps with 'personal' but with greater scope. I would think that is fair assessment of what lyrics are? Even when being about Lebasene history and culture, it is personal compared to lets say.... Genocide Organ dealing with topic they have picked? Neither is inferior, just different approach, in terms of how it is personal to creator.

I guess the "realness" factor just comes from the simple reality that the topics all occurred according to history or are actively happening. "Realness" in that sense that my Grandfather has been captured on film numerous times shaking hands, giving kisses (like the italians kissing on the cheek) with Bachir Gemayel and his father Pierre who both are mentioned extensively throughout the discography and the collaboration with SHIFT being wholly dedicated to Pierre Gemayel.

The question of realness comes up once in a while, but seems like more often nowadays than before? I consider it trending approach of our times, as mainstream has already reached years ago level where actor sh/could not act something that he/she is not. Visiting the exhibition of youth artists while ago, had 80 artists, and dominating creations were in lines of my eating disorder, my body dysphoria, my mental illness, my medication, my identity, and so on. Like it or not, is kind of irrelevant, if we are just observing what would be currently prevailing or trending categories in art. Or social media. Comics. etc..

Realness factor is interesting in a way, that usually it tends to indicate implying something being more real. This is what I noticed in recent WCN episode where was mentioned that something that occurred in someones family as topic was more real than industrial/power electronics generally having "theme/study".

At certain age, people have usually experienced it all. All sorts of struggles, illness, death of loved ones, alienation from surroundings and so on. Some of it powerful and life altering experienced. Sometimes can be purely biological transformation what happens there. Personal and real. However, there are tons of things that have occurred according to history or are actively happening, and to me it seems quite odd one would need to think its the artist family ties what make something real. As example: Lets say, I would make release about Finnish civil war or incidents related to WWII. How more real it becomes if I would report what my family went through, as opposed to dealing with these historical things from some other perspective? How much should listener know how these things had effect on people related to my bloodline? Regardless of that information, it would be all real, all factual. All having very real and physical effect to who I am, and how society turned out to be and so on.

In some cases I do appreciate the so called "getting your hands dirty" - first hand experience, but this leads to thing where I think we go more demanding area in art. Demand to see beyond what as viewer in current climate dominated by personal is trained to see.

For example: In one hand you may expect "sex noise", to be personal in a way that you deal with what you know. Then people making remarks about lonely teenage virgins. Why? Couldn't it be just perfectly twisted and bizarre to have sex noise from lonely virgins, as it offers different angle to art. What is totally real there, might be realness of frustration, realness to pornographic addition, realness of unrealistic expectations and so on. It could be far more painful and dark, than some healthy report of personal functional sex life, haha...  

Also, been wanting me to bring up this point for sometimes but the fact is that SLOGUN is a project that is all those things you think detrimental to Industrial/PE, Mikko. A Project that is influenced heavily by his life, the streets, and hip hop culture (particularly graffiti). I still have Jon's performance notes from the final performance and in it Jon specifically writes, "do not look at the audience, make it about yourself," and also my favorite "I exist because of this". A whole lot of "ME" talk. Maybe needs a new thread, but frankly I think SLOGUN is that "real life" shit minus the albums he's done about serial killers. I don't think what SLOGUN has done is do any harm but open the door for others who want to explore that side of PE/Industrial which I think is valid as any other.

I don't object "me talk", if the me is interesting. What Slogun deals with often, is things like self loathing, destructive, depressive things. You can approach that from looking mirror or looking out of the window. There are topics that are depicted to small, but expands into bigger thing.
I reject idea that me or underlined personal would be important or more "real" than other approaches in noise. Slogun certainly offered always new angle to power electronics. Nothing really is detrimental to power electronics, if it is fitting. I would guess some projects or artists having content drenched in delusional self importance and other such things could be touching very much same area as serial killers? Depending how you look at it. Not necessarily as interesting, though.
Urban decay of NYC certainly felt almost mythical back in the day, but certainly something where violent howling electronic racket fits perfectly.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2022, 08:27:05 AM by FreakAnimalFinland » Logged

E-mail: fanimal +a+ cfprod,com
MAGAZINE: http://www.special-interests.net
LABEL / DISTRIBUTION: FREAK ANIMAL http://www.nhfastore.net
Pages: 1 2 [3]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  


Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.192 seconds with 19 queries.