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« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2020, 07:15:27 PM »

eBay's global shipping program has always been a major deterrent when I've seen certain items for sale overseas. Seems like it's always ticked by default whenever I try to make a listing, but at least you can opt out and go manual - is it mandatory in other countries?

The same goes for browsing/search histories on Amazon and YouTube, which I always try to disable or clear on the regular. I also do the same for some Amazon cookies - it would seem that they track the prices of items sold by themselves (not third party, although they can be manipulated too if you're a devious Amazon seller) when kept in the shopping cart, but not in the saved items. I've bought certain unpopular (although desirable to myself) items, or products where there's only a handful of copies left over, for upwards of 95% off the RRP price as a result of their algorithm price-matching/dropping over time. However, once you buy it, view the listing with cookies/browsing history enabled or you leave it in your shopping cart for too long (or conversely, someone else does the same), the price shoot right up to what it should go for again. One armed bandits spring to mind, and certainly it's a similarly addictive time-gamble as eBay sniping also is.

Anyway, back to Discogs - I'm sure in a few years time it'll be completely unpleasant to use. All major websites that factor data in as their primary resource (the marketplace is secondary, just like selling hamburgers is for McDonalds) eventually become near-unusable over time. The early demise of Bookogs was particularly telling.

One other thing: have they shortened the selling histories for some items to a year or another cutoff point (x amount of copies sold)? I checked a few listings recently and I'm sure their histories used to span for a few years, if not back until the marketplace got introduced. I could be wrong but if not, some entrepreneur/coding wizard could make a browser addon and website that tracks the complete price/selling data of Discogs (much like others have done for Amazon etc). Add in-price tracking with email notifications to say when something is listed under a customer defined price and you're winning.
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« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2020, 08:01:34 PM »

One other thing: have they shortened the selling histories for some items to a year or another cutoff point (x amount of copies sold)? I checked a few listings recently and I'm sure their histories used to span for a few years, if not back until the marketplace got introduced. I could be wrong but if not, some entrepreneur/coding wizard could make a browser addon and website that tracks the complete price/selling data of Discogs (much like others have done for Amazon etc). Add in-price tracking with email notifications to say when something is listed under a customer defined price and you're winning.

This is cut to allegedly the 10 (but I just looked at an item with 18) most recent sales and has been like that for some time. Which makes sense, as more/older history becomes irrelevant when doing price research.
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« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2020, 05:09:10 PM »

This is cut to allegedly the 10 (but I just looked at an item with 18) most recent sales and has been like that for some time. Which makes sense, as more/older history becomes irrelevant when doing price research.

As a seller i'm sure, but hardly as a buyer with open eyes. The reason for the cut is that it benefits discogs. When the cut is 10 it only takes a few fools for the price to skyrocket. The reissue of Awake could be a typical. 500 copies. Resonable prices for about 4 years. I was able to get it from Mundy for 55 right at the tipping point and before he ran out of stock. It was not long after the minimum price was close to €100, prior my purchase i think it could have been ~€40. If the price is dropping im sure they would allow a history of 18.

I caught this video by fluke which shine light on something i was completely unaware of. And it's connected to how prices and discogs work:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PbNral-Rz5Y

When some people are willing to lay down $35 on a new release it's already game over for me. If i want to look at something worth attention there are alot more interesting things than the cover of records for the past 30 years.
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« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2020, 03:28:53 AM »

I could be wrong but if not, some entrepreneur/coding wizard could make a browser addon and website that tracks the complete price/selling data of Discogs (much like others have done for Amazon etc). Add in-price tracking with email notifications to say when something is listed under a customer defined price and you're winning.

And that's the only hope, cause if you wait from Discogs staff it will never happen. They dont even have introduced a new much neccesary function to seperate wantlist from stuff you want to get notification emails for ! - They allow sellers to reannounce their stuff everyday, the same and the same sellers with the same stuff everytime i open the marketplace. I wish i could block them. Seriously, i dont think this helps them, gives buyer the impression it's always there. - As for notification emails, i had turn them off in a week once i tried them, cause of that.

Also, to help the database running and expanding, and give contributors something back, they could for every newly added release when it sells for first time -and only then- for 5EUR and above, to give the guy who added it 50cent credit points, and when he has enough to buy a release Discogs to pay for him using his credit. - What's the use of their fucking rank points ?! What they think contributors are ? Kids ? At least respect them and dont fool them with rankings and such shit.

I suspect people working for Discogs dont use Discogs, and they dont care to ask and listen.

That said, Discogs database is the best place in the internet. OK, one of the best at least. And their marketplace useful, no matter its cons.

Maybe their sales history is the reason prices go up all the time. I think yes.
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« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2020, 08:45:51 AM »

They allow sellers to reannounce their stuff everyday, the same and the same sellers with the same stuff everytime i open the marketplace. I wish i could block them.

Yes, so annoying. My List of new items from my waitlist for sale is 90% the same stuff everyday.. What are these sellers thinking?
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« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2020, 10:05:28 AM »

They allow sellers to reannounce their stuff everyday, the same and the same sellers with the same stuff everytime i open the marketplace. I wish i could block them.

Yes, so annoying. My List of new items from my waitlist for sale is 90% the same stuff everyday.. What are these sellers thinking?

It led me to remove everything from my want list. Simple solution. Usually I just buy something straight away when I need it. There's discogs users with 1000ths of entries in their want list, will they ever get their stuff?
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« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2020, 01:39:22 PM »

Setting it up right now, so far it's certainly better than bigcartel it seems. I've tried setting that up, but couldn't figure out how to let it resemble anything near actual shipping costs without undercharging or overcharging by a lot depending on how many items are ordered.
Problem I'm seeing now is that I didn't know what flat rate shipping is. Started looking for it, then I understand why that is. If I understand correctly, Belgian postal system doesn't have a flat rate shipping option. For which I have to congratulate discogs immediately. Great job thinking that post works the same in every country and you don't have the option to disable flat rate. Slow clap, well done!
It could be a good thing for me, I've lost orders due to steep shipping costs, but some people order then pull out when shipping is too expensive, other people just send a message, so it's not a problem or shouldn't be. But I understand that for a lot of people in these times it's too much to simply send a message. So probably people have not ordered or sent me messages because of that, so let's see if some more orders come in now.
The bulk of orders from discogs probably goes through professional and not so professional labels and distros, but I wonder what percentage of their sales is just from people who want to get rid of some second hand items or their own artist copies. I regularly come across those kind of lists, with less then 100 items. Will these people do the effort of setting it up? Or will they just search for another channel? If they go elsewhere and that percentage is big enough, discogs might loose money on it rather than earn more... Though I realise that probably won't be the case...

One extra problem I come across: I regularly ship CDs without jewel case, because that makes them weigh less than 100g, so shipping is almost half, so regularly people choose that option. Digipaks also mostly weigh less than 100g and are thus cheaper to ship. No way to do this with this system, too bad, I guess...
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« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2020, 12:46:31 PM »

I had removed most of my 2nd hand inventory from discogs before the announcement for new policies came. When it happened, it was good moment to remove rest of the stuff. Some stuff is now with cheaper prices in 2nd hand items of my own store. It's been a while since I last used discogs even for purchases. It is of course related to fringe scenes one deals with, but fairly random way of banning items, increasing fees, complicated ways of doing things... it's not something I feel the need of using. So much more easier to focus on own things, than spread out all over different platforms.
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« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2020, 07:16:53 PM »

Just got a domestic order for 2 cassette tapes and it invoiced the buyer for $0 shipping. Thankfully the buyer noticed and asked for a proper invoice. My policies have been set up and were working fine until I implemented required the "All Formats" thing, but it should have (incorrectly) charged the buyer $12, not $0...
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« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2020, 10:49:52 PM »

Just read they postponed the shipping policies requirement for one more month. Thanks to all the great feedback from the community, yeah sure thing bitches!! Didn't even get more orders since I switched so they also lied to me when they said it will result in drastic increase, ha! ;)
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« Reply #40 on: October 01, 2020, 11:49:20 AM »

I haven't set up those automatic shipping values. And what I have read here it would be pain in the ass for few hours, especially when you are shipping from Finland and there are multiple options.. maybe I stop selling in discogs and just unload my shit to resellers. Even thought I won't get that much money in return, but I will save hours (prob days) what it takes to set up things + packing and posting, etc.
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« Reply #41 on: October 02, 2020, 09:43:08 PM »

I am planning on getting back into the discogs game - it wasn’t too hard but pretty stupid. I’m basically going to say “don’t pay until you message me” and hope my small fish seller account doesn’t get too fucked. If I start losing money I’m out.
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« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2020, 08:43:18 PM »

I have actually made a whole bunch of sales in the past two days - and then I’ve also received a number of emails from Americans complaining about my shipping rates. So who knows, I have clearly stated that I have set the rates high and will refund any difference or to email for a direct quote but people seem to be not reading my clearly stated terms.
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« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2020, 01:38:09 PM »

it seems the same to me?

i say 'free shipping in the usa' in the item description, charge $0 on the invoice, and just raise price of item acccordingly.

if it goes overseas i add in the amount on the invoice.

i just sold a tape for $12 last week, it was a domestic sale to someone else here in the states, and the process was the same as its always been...?
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« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2020, 03:13:41 PM »

so you let discogs collect their fees for shipping too?
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