Special Interest
October 18, 2019, 04:00:20 PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News:
 
   Home   Help Login Register  

Pages: 1 2 3 [4]
  Print  
Author Topic: Noise gentrification?  (Read 3079 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
W.K.
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 36



« Reply #45 on: October 08, 2019, 12:18:48 AM »

Why care so much about what other people are or do?
Logged

...and nothing of value is gained.
slagfrenzy tapes
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 9


« Reply #46 on: October 08, 2019, 06:49:45 AM »

Quote from: aububs link=topic=10143.msg82317#msg82317 date=1570293
If noise was really gentrified then people would actually show up for the gigs :D
[/quote

I'm jealous, you nailed it.
Logged
FreakAnimalFinland
MODERATOR
Administrator
Overkill user
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 4159



WWW
« Reply #47 on: October 08, 2019, 08:02:52 AM »

Why care so much about what other people are or do?

Perhaps when it comes clear that people are not just making their own "careers", but experiencing noise others are making?
And by the effect of what you could call gentrification (by the definition explained in the Harsh Truths comedy bit, not literal gentrification), climate change, pussification, etc...   you and everybody else may end up hearing lesser good things and not even knowing about the good stuff.

How?

Speaking specifically about the local scene there’s a lot of crossover between noise/experimental and the LGBTQ+ community and other groups who (typically) share a similar political outlook - I wouldn’t expect that they’d just go “oh shit I love this. But.... Whitehouse! Well I guess I better know my place and just be quiet”. I find that our scene has pretty much adopted a policy of “no hate/no bullshit”

I recall last year one journalist got super excited about new Cloama album. Rare case of someone actually contacting both artists and label, asking if there could be review done for high profile experimental magazine. Well, I knew how it would play out, so okay, here's the disc do what you please. Expecting nothing. Certainly not review to appear on such magazine. She was writing enthusiast praise and had piece done, until suddenly chief editor pulls out review from lay-out concluding that there seemed to be some "problematic history" and they can not introduce such music to their readers. She was baffled, what is wrong with Cloama since chief did not tell. Contacted me about it. I told her nothing is wrong with it. Just bands he might have played with during last 20 years, or labels he has released on for 20 years. Nothing else.

I don't need and often do not want attention from "big press", yet for sake of something like Cloama, who is fucking brilliant, and rarely gets the exposure it would deserve, gets this type of treatment, and most likely replaced by inferior music just done by person who is suitable for readers and belong to correct political clique. It paints quite ugly picture of integrity of experimental music magazine?

You can look how thing was/is in USA online metal "press". There isn't so shitty and pointless bedroom metal project or silly hipster-gaze, what would have not been praised as best thing happening right now. And just about anyone I know, watches this spectacle little amused and little annoyed. Concluding that lucky us, who are not those who ended up having these people as main sources of recommending good music to check out!

Most people who I know, have concluded that they have almost no idea what is happening in music/noise. Due various reasons which may too vast to deal here. One may selfishly conclude that fuck everybody, it's enough if I find bands I like and I make music I like. Fortunately underground network was not and is not all about that. Guys who run labels, publish 'zines, put out "podcasts", are not solely in business of me me me. There is certain curiosity what often did happen, and what could happen, when artform blossomed and something emerged that inspired and vitalized things for decades. Never, absolutely never, happened due one guy that just cared what he did himself.
Logged

E-mail: fanimal +a+ cfprod,com
MAGAZINE: http://www.special-interests.net
LABEL / DISTRIBUTION: FREAK ANIMAL http://www.nhfastore.net
slagfrenzy tapes
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 9


« Reply #48 on: October 08, 2019, 11:59:27 AM »

You might have nailed this as well. Yr term  revelatory 

I can't add to that. I spend time thinking about it, but it's a lost think...I'd like to add to it but.
Logged
slagfrenzy tapes
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 9


« Reply #49 on: October 08, 2019, 12:06:05 PM »

Ahem, I am a bit guilty there, I remember when at College doing Art, in 1997 Frieze Art Magazine in the UK did a feature on Japanese Noise and there was a free 3"CD with Massona, Merzbow and (I think) Pain Jerk.

The third artist on that 3"CD is MC Hellshit & DJ Carhouse (Yamatsuka Eye on voice and Otomo Yoshihide on turntables).

Thanks, I wasn't being lazy, I would have checked, but somehow managed to lose it years ago. This in my defence was my first 3" CD. I am big on the Inner Demons label who only do 3"CDRs and I have not lost any of them, so decades later I have learned better 3"CD care.

Not that you care, but I'm happy you're more careful of these 20 mins pieces of music. I shit you not.
Logged
GEWALTMONOPOL
Diehard user
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1027



WWW
« Reply #50 on: October 08, 2019, 01:30:37 PM »

I recall last year one journalist got super excited about new Cloama album...

It's the same old story. I gave up on so called mainstream music media early in Unrest's existence. There's no point for the example you've just given.

Take The Quietus and their recent series of outing various "problematic" artists and thus doing their bit to ruin them. These are bands and labels who have worked with TQ over the years and now they find themselves stabbed in the back. That's what they get for letting these snakes in in the first place. That's why no one should work with them.

It's perfectly possible to build a label and an organisation that sustains itself without the support of this type of music media.

Guys who run labels, publish 'zines, put out "podcasts", are not solely in business of me me me. There is certain curiosity what often did happen, and what could happen, when artform blossomed and something emerged that inspired and vitalized things for decades. Never, absolutely never, happened due one guy that just cared what he did himself.

This I totally agree with. It's also pretty easy to see who does this and who doesn't.


« Last Edit: October 08, 2019, 01:34:00 PM by GEWALTMONOPOL » Logged

Först när du blottar strupen ska du få nåd, ditt as...
Balor/SS1535
moderate user
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 68



« Reply #51 on: October 08, 2019, 06:49:56 PM »

Speaking specifically about the local scene there’s a lot of crossover between noise/experimental and the LGBTQ+ community and other groups who (typically) share a similar political outlook - I wouldn’t expect that they’d just go “oh shit I love this. But.... Whitehouse! Well I guess I better know my place and just be quiet”. I find that our scene has pretty much adopted a policy of “no hate/no bullshit” and it’s actually a pretty nice thing. Are there edgy PE shows happening that I’m just not aware of? I have no idea (there very well might be?) but I don’t see the “cancel culture” everyone is so worried about, you can either get with it or do your own thing. There’s a pretty large crossover between the grindcore and noise scenes here so the politics are bound to overlap too.

I think it is interesting that you mention this, as I think that the "I know my place" mentality and its accompanying modesty have largely been ejected from modern culture.  Everyone just wants openings to be handed to them without having to put forth effort and earn their right to have one.

That all being said, it is always nice to be open and inviting to new people who are interested in what your community is also interested in - even if that means putting up with someone who might not completely agree with much of what they encounter once they join.  The real problem arises when they expect everyone else to change and conform to their tastes (sometimes they are right about what is wrong though!).  The area in which I am located has had some people force shows to shut down (Marduk, if I remember correctly), so as long as your scene doesn't do so then that is great for everyone.
Logged
holy ghost
Heavy user
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 442



« Reply #52 on: October 09, 2019, 06:17:59 PM »

That all being said, it is always nice to be open and inviting to new people who are interested in what your community is also interested in - even if that means putting up with someone who might not completely agree with much of what they encounter once they join.  The real problem arises when they expect everyone else to change and conform to their tastes (sometimes they are right about what is wrong though!).  The area in which I am located has had some people force shows to shut down (Marduk, if I remember correctly), so as long as your scene doesn't do so then that is great for everyone.

I can’t speak on behalf of “my scene” but I do know there’s a lot of people not thrilled about certain elements and simply created their own space and their own culture around it and done their own thing. After all, no one “speaks for noise” as a whole with any authority and as a music genre/sub culture is always evolving and changing. I don’t think there’s any huge divisions, I don’t think there’s really any drama. I mean we’re talking about making a welcoming space for people here. It’s not that radical a concept, even for “noise music”.
« Last Edit: October 10, 2019, 12:28:11 AM by holy ghost » Logged
Balor/SS1535
moderate user
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 68



« Reply #53 on: October 10, 2019, 09:59:34 PM »

That all being said, it is always nice to be open and inviting to new people who are interested in what your community is also interested in - even if that means putting up with someone who might not completely agree with much of what they encounter once they join.  The real problem arises when they expect everyone else to change and conform to their tastes (sometimes they are right about what is wrong though!).  The area in which I am located has had some people force shows to shut down (Marduk, if I remember correctly), so as long as your scene doesn't do so then that is great for everyone.

I can’t speak on behalf of “my scene” but I do know there’s a lot of people not thrilled about certain elements and simply created their own space and their own culture around it and done their own thing. After all, no one “speaks for noise” as a whole with any authority and as a music genre/sub culture is always evolving and changing. I don’t think there’s any huge divisions, I don’t think there’s really any drama. I mean we’re talking about making a welcoming space for people here. It’s not that radical a concept, even for “noise music”.

I totally agree.  It is basic politeness to be willing to allow other interested people come and join in - especially if you want to call yourself a "scene."  It doesn't matter what you are doing.  I also like that you point out how people in your area are actively taking a role in creating their own spaces.  Instead of merely complaining about something, it is far more worthwhile to go out and be productive in ways that you deem more positive.  To me, that should be a sign of a healthy scene rather than a precursor to any degradation.
Logged
NO PART OF IT
user
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 154


WWW
« Reply #54 on: October 14, 2019, 02:40:58 PM »

I am thoroughly and completely bored with propaganda or advertising of any kind in recorded or printed/visual artistic mediums.  I do not give people money to hear them tell me about about how I should follow their ideologies, whether it be "anarchy", whatever ridiculous "uprising" nonsense people are on about, or anything else.  Parodies also bore me.  Most noise artists are not funny, not revelatory, utterly banal in their little satires and meme culture.   I can appreciate a certain theatricality with noise and power electronics, so long as it is not a "call to action".  I look at noise as art, just not generally made by people who go to art galleries, and as such, concepts presented should raise questions, or at least conversations.

What I see is a general shift in sadists VS. masochists.   The purported sadists are being integrated with too many masochists, and the lines are being blurred in ways that the sadists dislike, so the purported sadists complain, and therefore welcome the masochists to act as sadists.  The problem is that the roles of sadism and masochism are being blurred.  Being into noise is inherently masochistic, to some degree, but now, the forum for the type of people who pretend to be sadists but are actually masochists because they only rip the wings off of butterflies until someone bigger than them comes around to "put them in their place", those people are being exposed, as well as people who have an actual vision or idea that isn't necessarily pleasant.  Both are masochists, some are more valiant than others, and now the people who out them are not necessarily 100% sadists, but not entirely masochists either, and they have an outlet now.  Prior to that, they were 100& masochists, and it was nice.  They didn't try to play every show, they just attended with the hopes of getting their heads blown off by noise.  Now, I don't know what the hell people go to shows for, I rarely see people come to shows who don't do noise and aren't in it for some sort of "networking opportunity".  Total masochism. 

Take for instance, the wealthy person who moves above or nearby a music venue, then complains about the noise.  Those people deserve to be shot, and they know it. 

Also, Sadly, I can't name too many venues that allow loudness, I mean truly loud noise anymore, much less nazi/misogynistic imagery, etc.  It has become largely pointless, especially if you're going to be sharing a bill with someone who will complain about not having enough time to set up, and another who takes way too long to set up, and all of them are either sucking off the corpses of former glories and just sucking.     And nobody knows how to use their expensive synthesizers. 

I have always preferred the idea of noise infiltrating other scenes, and I prefer to go to shows with diverse line ups, in which case, at the very least, it is good to "turn & burn" after pissing everybody off and let the chips fall where they may. 

I don't really mind Noise and power electronics becoming more popular.  As mentioned above, I still don't see a lot of people showing up, but I'll add that people don't show up typically unless it's an artist who is good-looking, generally, so everyone's subconscious is somewhat to blame for this so called "gentrification" of noise.   I am a full-on supporter of ugly and mean motherfuckers with ugly approaches to life, as long as they have basic manners.    People who have actually abused and raped people make it bad for those who are just trying to work out their own personal fetishes and traumas, or just their crazy ideas, and I do think it's important to make that distinction in terms of "cancel culture".   
Logged

Pages: 1 2 3 [4]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  


Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.136 seconds with 20 queries.