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GENERAL SOUND DISCUSSION => GENERAL SOUND DISCUSSION => Topic started by: FreakAnimalFinland on May 31, 2019, 11:16:12 AM



Title: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on May 31, 2019, 11:16:12 AM
Noisextra 01: Sonic Devil
 
After a much-needed break, Mike and Greh are back with a new plan, more guests and a broader range of classic NOISE to discuss. For our first week, we chose a lesser-known record by a project we both love, Sonic Devil by MASONNA. Out on Pinch-A-Loaf from 1997, this 12″ rips in hard and fast.

found here:
http://www.noisextra.com/2019/05/30/noisextra-01-sonic-devil/

http://www.noisextra.com/




Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Soloman Tump on May 31, 2019, 11:39:48 AM
So Merzcast was shelved then. 

Will they ever discuss Merzbow again, or are they banished from ever muttering his name....



Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: pentd on May 31, 2019, 12:55:43 PM
all this stupid drama --- but podcasts + mixtapes are only good news to me so keep em cummin!


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on May 31, 2019, 01:29:50 PM
So Merzcast was shelved then. 
Will they ever discuss Merzbow again, or are they banished from ever muttering his name....

What I understood, Merzbow can be topic of another episode later on.
I think case was solved, and GX episode will probably return eventually.

For me, making this deal noise in general is most definitely good move. In long run, drama will be forgotten like any "twitter storm".


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Duality on May 31, 2019, 01:31:46 PM
The new episode was fantastic, really looking forward to more in the future. I'm interested to see where they go and what guests they'll be having on.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: DSOL on May 31, 2019, 02:56:58 PM
like the new direction, looking forward to seeing what the have in store for future episodes


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Hemwick on May 31, 2019, 04:00:09 PM
Dig this alot more than Merzcast.  Keep up the good work.  Can't wait to hear more


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Zeno Marx on May 31, 2019, 10:05:54 PM
Great news.  I've been looking forward to the return.  Maybe too much.  But I ain't gonna pretend I couldn't have listened to another 100 conversations about Merzbow etc.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Eigen Bast on June 01, 2019, 01:08:34 AM
I wonder if they"ll get Patrick O'Neill given how they're hinting at special guests around the Hospital showcase. New ep was great! Bit of a refresher, but glad to see them starting strong.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on June 03, 2019, 03:11:31 PM
I breathed a huge sigh of relief when this dropped. <FINALLY> And was tickled by most of the suggestions (of future possibilities) offered throughout the cast. The goal is exceedingly ambitious, and I can't imagine a serious noise fan not rooting for these chaps.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: NaturalOrthodoxy on June 06, 2019, 02:35:07 PM
New episode up now, talking Richard Ramirez's 'Memorial'. One I haven't heard but will be checking out asap after this episode. Love this new format


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: muppet1 on June 07, 2019, 03:19:42 AM
New episode up now, talking Richard Ramirez's 'Memorial'. One I haven't heard but will be checking out asap after this episode. Love this new format

Excited to hear what they have to say. Memorial was a formative cd as I got into noise. The way channels will hard-cut in the mix felt strangely bold and effective to me. I've noticed this hard L or R channel cutting on a number of Ramirez releases. If I remember, I've read some lukewarm reactions to the cd on this forum before. Never understood it.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on June 07, 2019, 12:50:34 PM
Just couple days ago, I was watching Ramirez "Memorial" CD at my shelves, thinking should I listen to it. Due having recently finished reading Cosey Fanni Tutti -book, I decided to got for Throbbing Gristle. Seeing this new Noisextra episode, I decided to play "Memorial" and then listen the episode.

For me, the CD was never THE Ramirez release. It is something I got after several other items. It is good, but it did not hit with the same impact as some of earlier BLJ / RR stuff. Maybe it was partially the "soft" artwork (although fitting to concept), and fact it was one of the rare regular CD release of PdB label.

Listening material now, I could only conclude that it is very good CD. Especially I like the darkest material of the CD =  third track. Even more, combination of listening Noisextra guys talk about it, makes me somewhat uplifted feeling. Why? I guess just about every noisehead in the world usually ends up listening material that "nobody" gets. It is pretty much speculation whether anyone really gets what your own harsh noise works are trying to accomplish. YET, when you hear couple guys from other side of the world talk about one particular CD, and have almost identical conclusions, identical remarks about very very small details. From abrupt end of the CD to overall composition to nature of dark suffocating feedback drone... There is this sort of uplifting feeling that there are people who get it. Lets say, existence of true noiseheads as opposite for genre tourists those who have passing interest on phenomena.

Naturally that is the goal of SI forum as well. To promote and enable communication of those truly committed to this area of experimental sound arts.

So, all in all, excellent - and certainly recommended.

So far I do have almost every release these podcasts have dealt with, and I have listened almost every release they have covered. Lets see when I need to start making purchases...


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: P A N I C on June 14, 2019, 10:02:49 PM
Super excited to see that Noisextra is shaping up so nicely. Absolutely loved the Merzcast for as long as it lasted, but equally great that the podcast is now expanding beyond Merzbow, opening up such a world of possibilites. Really keen to see what will be discussed in the future (and definitely composing a wishlist in my head). Wonderful to see Hijokaidan covered, probably my favourite project ever, though I don't own everything and this happens to be one of the few things I don't have, haha. Somehow I wish they would have covered something like Modern or Romance - also because I feel there could have been so much discussion on Hijokaidan lore and history, especially maybe with a good guest - but nonetheless the discussion is interesting enough, and the way their sound is characterized is pretty accurate and made me feel, as always when I engage with Hijokaidan, that their classic records should appeal to so many young dogs, which maybe they do, but so little seems to be said of them and spoken about them, it always makes me wonder how much active attention and love they still receive. Fucking glorious!


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on June 17, 2019, 06:35:56 PM
Hijokaidan 10" episode was good again. I don't quite agree on few details - such as not hearing drums of vocals. Well.. Of course not like in rock'n'roll, but already from short clip at beginning, you can instantly hear Junko's trademark scream. Certainly veiled in the vast chaos of near white-noise, but it erupts well underneath it all.

I recall back in the early 90's when I concluded to one czech guy who I corresponded with, saying I'd like to put out Grunt 7", but I doubt there is audience for noise. He replied couple weeks later asking what the hell I'm talking about, there is many labels putting out noise releases - even CD's. He told there is this Japanese label who put out 50 CD's of noise. Of course that wasn't entirely accurate, since not all Alchemy CD's was noise, but it was 100% mindblowing idea in those days to see real noise CD. Not to mention when finally getting first Alchemy Records release in my hands, as said in Noisextra - they looked very different from usual underground CD.

I do not have fixed aesthetic taste how releases should look. I do appreciated crappy hand made things, cheap xeroxed cd covers, simple b&w high contrast graphics and so on.. but Alchemy records, and most Hijokaidan stuff looked like "real albums". Design was on top of the game compared to even best designs of mainstream music, while teenagers such as myself was struggling with letraset and typewriter, barely succeeding to make releases look tolerable.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: EXU on June 17, 2019, 09:51:57 PM
This kind of stuff interests me a lot, not only the review per se but the reminiscences. For someone who doesn't lived the good old noise days - be it 80's, 90´s and hell, even 00's - these personal reports and anecdotes are pure gold, always put a smile in my face. Call it nostalgia of the not lived if you will, I really don't care.

Gotta catch up with NOISEXTRA...


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Zeno Marx on July 11, 2019, 06:03:01 PM
Great to hear Eric Boros/Hermit get some time.  Very interesting to hear the Canadian perspective from the time.  More noise context and history for us all.

*I never asked Hermit this, but my hunch was always that he was using an IBM Selectric typewriter with the script or scribe ball head (my vague memory leans toward the scribe) in his graphic designs.  That's the type set that has a cursive-like look to it.  Maybe it was more widespread in Canada and on other typewriters, but the only one I've ever seen it with in the USA was the IBM.  Also, have to admit I never thought of the Hermit logo as being metalish, so that was another cool perspective to hear.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: aububs on July 11, 2019, 06:53:18 PM
anyone else having problems accessing the merzcast site?


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Zeno Marx on July 11, 2019, 10:36:36 PM
anyone else having problems accessing the merzcast site?
new url

http://www.noisextra.com/


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: aububs on July 11, 2019, 11:27:00 PM
ah, thanks


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on July 12, 2019, 10:21:33 AM
Both new episodes are great, but also experienced devastating blow.. haha.. Could not locate my copy of Hermit / Yggdrasil / Eciton split 10", so had to order it via discogs from N&B if this episode creates little demand for release and it disappears...
I used to distribute this title and it is possible I have it somewhere, where it should not be, but ordered just in case. Grunt did splits with both, Yggdrasil and Hermit. Just piled couple old Hermit tapes and Yggdrasil "lebensbaum" demo tape for todays playlist since the 10" could not be found. Should have also Eciton tape somewhere, but unable to locate it. It came out of Finnish label, that located merely 15km where I used to live back then. Run by the guy who played in JUNKDROME. He is still around, at least in the so called holy terror scene. Obscure hardcore stuff.

Scattered productions who published Eciton tape, who started his label putting out Grunt/Futile Existence split tape, also released one Grunt tape that is not listed in discogs. Grunt “Two Episodes” C-16, in black plastic sleeve with transparent insert. It was among the early works where I used the droning ethereal voice drifting below harsh noise blasts.

I'm not 100% sure, but how I remember it, around those times I got letter from Bawler productions (ger) who asked could I do that sort of drifting drone without noise, and he'd be interested to put out tape. 1996, being enthusiastic youngster, that was all that was needed for Alchemy of the 20th Century to be started in matter of... days. Project did evolve from this quite ridiculous "made on demand" type of beginning. Of course it was material I genuinely liked and wanted to do, but the kick to actually get it started was emerged in form of tiny german punk-rooted tape label who wanted to put out.

Grunt "two episodes" and first Alchemy... tape was recorded mere couple weeks apart and that Eciton tape came out pretty close to Grunt tape on the label.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: DSOL on July 17, 2019, 09:45:12 PM
the last with Pat and mark from Skin Crime discussing the "Music Should Hurt" comp is really good


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Zeno Marx on July 18, 2019, 05:22:07 PM
the last with Pat and mark from Skin Crime discussing the "Music Should Hurt" comp is really good
They ain't the most talkative lads, is they?


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on July 18, 2019, 06:12:10 PM
It starts slow, but when they warm up - this is great podcast once again. Should give the cd listen soon. Damn i hope they could get Roemer or Stella in these...


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Zeno Marx on July 18, 2019, 06:52:40 PM
It starts slow, but when they warm up - this is great podcast once again. Should give the cd listen soon. Damn i hope they could get Roemer or Stella in these...
I didn't mean to imply it wasn't a good discussion.  Sorry to anyone involved if that's how it seemed.  Great hearing about the Green Wheels situation.  Would be very cool to see even a photo of the original art.  To give context to size, texture, etc.  And to know that other art for it exists and the first packaging plan.  How common it surely was for someone to go into a release thinking they were going to do one thing with the packaging and then had to completely revise because of costs, difficulty to execute the idea, or whatever.  Maybe logistics aren't interesting to many, but I find that stuff anything but mundane.  I could listen to that type of discussion all day.

It's always interesting to listen to two different generations hash through the minutia of any process.  In this case, running a label.  It made this conversation even more interesting.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: DSOL on July 19, 2019, 04:16:04 AM
Damn i hope they could get Roemer or Stella in these...


that would be pretty awesome


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on July 19, 2019, 11:06:21 AM
I didn't mean to imply it wasn't a good discussion. 

Didn't think so. I didn't think that quality of sound was too bad either. When they had the disclaimer in beginning, and whole thing started, replies from Skin Crime guys came so slowly, that I thought there was glitch in editing, hah.. but pace speeded up and there was a lot of really good information.

Great hearing about the Green Wheels situation.  Would be very cool to see even a photo of the original art.  To give context to size, texture, etc.  And to know that other art for it exists and the first packaging plan.  How common it surely was for someone to go into a release thinking they were going to do one thing with the packaging and then had to completely revise because of costs, difficulty to execute the idea, or whatever.  Maybe logistics aren't interesting to many, but I find that stuff anything but mundane.  I could listen to that type of discussion all day.

It's always interesting to listen to two different generations hash through the minutia of any process.  In this case, running a label.  It made this conversation even more interesting.

There was lots of interesting stuff. For example the color copies they talk about. It was quite rare machines that had optional second color toner besides black. I used to print some covers with those. Grunt/Hermit split 7", Grunt/Aube split 10" 2nd pressing etc. It was almost gamble to prepare two paper originals, and imagine how they will look on color paper with 2 different colors printed from paper masters. Not simultaneously, but printing paper twice. Looks of those prints is totally different from doing full color prints with digital printers of today.

Back then, I was obviously rather young kid, underage teenager who just decided to go ask Imatra city copycenter to print me stuff. It wasn't company/shop, but just office in cityhall where all the printing for city was done. Haha. They were not normally taking orders from "outsiders", so they didn't even have pricelist for printing before I requested one. I recall first time I went there and one of the male staff announced "ladies, don't watch inside this magazine". First zine I printed there with some s/m comics sleaze. As it was not company made to generate profit, prices were very good.

Quite similar look is with risograph printing machines, you can see used by Segerhuva and some of his associates Ochu, some Styggelse tapes etc... Lots of work involved in printing, but looks are unique.

Now playing: Music Should Hurt CD!


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Zeno Marx on July 19, 2019, 05:50:00 PM
Printing shops and paper suppliers could be a thread by themselves.  I don't think I ever had the option to swap out toner cartridges out in the public copiers.  That had to be something done behind the counter and done to order.

Out of the blue, a paper liquidator opened up near my house in an old public school warehouse.  It was opened to the public...at first.  So many unique papers and options in that place.  That's one of those X-mas stores for people who run labels.  Easy to get excited and look forward to what new, odd paper stock they would get.  They'd buy everything from the last pallet, to the last box, to the last ream of handmade paper.  I believe the paper for one of my 7"s (1000 copies) only cost $19 there.  They eventually stopped selling to the public.  There was no profit in selling $20 worth of paper to anyone.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: PTM Jim on July 22, 2019, 06:01:16 AM
Damn i hope they could get Roemer or Stella in these...
Roemer I'd say no chance. Stella on the other hand would be a little more possible.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Duality on July 24, 2019, 02:26:31 PM
New episode just came out focusing on MB, haven't listened yet but should be good.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on July 26, 2019, 03:54:50 PM
New addition being misc talk about recent items on the playlist, and then proceeding into main topic. Good idea.
It would be good addition if they'd insert couple more 20-60 seconds sound clips within the podcast. When discussion theme changes a bit, would be nice to hear short clip from album.

Music Should Hurt CD was amazing compilation. In past, it was always in shadow of Soundtrack for the end of the world CD, only because I happened to get that one first. It may not be musically equally solid, but it is so early comp CD experiences for me, that it made long lasting effect. Music Should Hurt was always good, but like Pat explains, compilations started to be fairly common then. Listening this now, just blows my mind to think how diverse, how juicy and intense was the noise scene of the time. Not to say noise now would suck, but I guess its my taste for audible sound source somewhere below all the pure distortion/shakebox/synth etc type of stuff that is typical for old noise.

Also received Yggrdasil / Eciton / Hermit 10" from France. I must have my original copy of this somewhere, but just in case... low-tech industrial waste. Playing this instantly reminds me about listening it back then. Total opposition for monochrome anonymous noise.

Probably have the MB CD in my shelves...


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: accidental on July 26, 2019, 06:19:03 PM
It would be good addition if they'd insert couple more 20-60 seconds sound clips within the podcast. When discussion theme changes a bit, would be nice to hear short clip from album

I'm not as hot on this show as others seem to be. I really did enjoy the GX episode though. And SC was nice when they were given the chance to speak amidst a host being hyped. I strongly disagree about sound clips. If i want to hear something i can do that myself. I enjoy being able to hit play and let the conversation go for it's entirety without having to fast forward some silly half minute clip.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Zeno Marx on July 26, 2019, 08:53:33 PM
And SC was nice when they were given the chance to speak amidst a host being hyped.
That gets old real quick, but life is all about playing the social game.  It's understandable.

If i want to hear something i can do that myself. I enjoy being able to hit play and let the conversation go for it's entirety without having to fast forward some silly half minute clip.
Agree.

It was smart to give Tara Connelly a mic.  They need that other voice and perspective when they go at it without a guest.  Could get a little messy with a guest, though.  Maybe not since she's sharp.  I always appreciate when they give podcast researchers and fact checkers a microphone.  They tend to know to be reserved and only add their layer when necessary.  Radio is an odd format inasmuch as I don't really care for a lot of voices in the conversation.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on August 01, 2019, 04:13:22 PM
I'm not as hot on this show as others seem to be. I really did enjoy the GX episode though.

There is a new episode online now:
http://www.noisextra.com/2019/07/31/noisextra-08-wind-licked-dirt/

It's another with GX. Exceptionally long, 2 hour episode. Yet had time to listen 1h 20 mins and rest probably tomorrow. It is probably going to give far more deeper level of details of Haters history than any interview I seen before. GX is easy to get to talk in depth, and he is very articulate. It can be different with guys who have not used to talk about their work.

I don't mind the hosts hyping recordings (or people), as that seemed to be the original Merzcast intent. They did say it number of times. To bring back enthusiasm and getting exited about noise albums. Knowing bunch of noise guys who are truly worshippers, I can relate to concept although I can understand why some would be turned down.

Some may always ask, why listen someone talk about noise when you can listen noise. It is same as music journalism in general. Why read music review if you can listen to album? I was just listening interview of recently stopped, one of longest running music magazine editor. He concluded time of music reviews like our generation (read guys 30, 35+) understands them, is over. All that relates in some ways to noise scene. It would be entirely different discussion, not to be done on this topic.

Ideally there would be perfect balance of excitement & hyping noise titles and totally unique substance & information by various guests. After just 8 episodes, it seems like form is still taking shape. GX episode is raising the bar higher, yet I'm also fine with getting another Mike & Greh talking of recent noise playlist and picking up semi-forgotten titles they think everybody should give a try.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Bruitiste on October 03, 2019, 05:20:31 PM
Damn i hope they could get Roemer or Stella in these...
Roemer I'd say no chance. Stella on the other hand would be a little more possible.
Why not, what's Joe's deal?

Anyway Greh just put out a duo record with Stella so that does seem possible... even though it was recorded many years ago.  I don't think they're on bad terms or anything.

Been enjoying recent episodes of this, despite being lower on guests — was really digging all the noise history and anecdotes that guests would contribute, but it's still entertaining to listen to the trio gushing about these various releases.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: NaturalOrthodoxy on October 03, 2019, 05:58:20 PM
Damn i hope they could get Roemer or Stella in these...
Roemer I'd say no chance. Stella on the other hand would be a little more possible.
Why not, what's Joe's deal?

Anyway Greh just put out a duo record with Stella so that does seem possible... even though it was recorded many years ago.  I don't think they're on bad terms or anything.

Been enjoying recent episodes of this, despite being lower on guests — was really digging all the noise history and anecdotes that guests would contribute, but it's still entertaining to listen to the trio gushing about these various releases.

I would go as far to say I mostly enjoy the episodes where it's just the Greh, Mike, Tara trio. they are increasingly well researched and insightful and I think maybe less inhibited in their enjoyment than with a guest! Though I love the episodes with guests too. I just generally fucking love this podcast


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: PTM Jim on October 04, 2019, 06:18:06 AM
Damn i hope they could get Roemer or Stella in these...
Roemer I'd say no chance. Stella on the other hand would be a little more possible.
Why not, what's Joe's deal?

Nothing wrong with him. He just doesn't really go anywhere. That being said, I would really like to hear him discuss a lot of the art/packaging in the 90s as well as his extensive tape trading.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on October 04, 2019, 03:03:06 PM
New AUBE "Spindrift" episode was pretty good. Not only that is probably my favorite Aube for two reasons: First full Aube I got, and objectively brilliant and one of noisier Aube things. They also threw in a lot of good information. All the Akifumi's talk about his work ethic - so to say. Something I can be also personally quite grateful!

Back in the day, when I first was exposed to whole harsh noise and japanese noise in particular, I sent letters and tapes to pretty much everyone I had address. Alchemy, Endorphine Factory, Vanilla, etc.. and G.R.O.S.S. was the only japanese label who replied. Sent me thanks for contacting and neatly printed GROSS catalogue. What followed was little bit of trading, some purchases I could afford, but also 4 Aube releases on Freak Animal. One could just propose him something, and he would get back after some time with DAT and even offset qualification ready film prints for vinyl vinyl labels or artworks included. Level of professionalism was unlike anything at the time. Perhaps not everybody's taste, but 100% unique in all ways.



Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Zeno Marx on October 20, 2019, 05:53:05 PM
I haven't been listening as much because of time restraints and fewer guests, but I did listen to the Master/Slave Relationship with Jim Haynes of Helen Scarsdale Agency.  He makes great sounds, runs a great label and distro, and has one of the best label names in the business.  You rarely hear anyone talk about M/S R, but when you do, they gush over Debbie Jaffe’s work.  There's a disconnect there that is interesting.  Does she not translate well, or maybe fully, for many people?  Are people turned off by such a literal name?  Maybe just because she's a true fringe artist?  She rides that area of being well respected by some and completely ignored by most.  That's certainly common with any music, but I feel she rises to that upper percentile where it is even more dramatic.  Besides all that, I've found her interaction with technology to be interesting.  Elden M/Allegory Chapel Ltd. used to mention her a lot and speak highly of her.  Wasn't she behind blackmetal.com?

It's great to hear such enthusiasm for her.

edit:  anyone know what he was talking about with Henry Owens and the Merzbox review centerfold?  What publication was that?  Trucklit?  Truck Lift?  Issue #?  Website?  Any additional information is appreciated.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: ashraf on October 21, 2019, 04:14:49 AM
Chunklet.

Henry's now defunct zine.

Here's the archived version of Jim's Merzbox review.

https://www.chunklet.com/magazines/chunklet-16/

Full text on the left side under Features.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Zeno Marx on October 21, 2019, 06:37:37 PM
Chunklet.

Henry's now defunct zine.

Here's the archived version of Jim's Merzbox review.

https://www.chunklet.com/magazines/chunklet-16/

Full text on the left side under Features.
Thanks.  Good and funny read.  Would love to see a scan of that centerfold


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on October 22, 2019, 08:37:14 AM
You rarely hear anyone talk about M/S R, but when you do, they gush over Debbie Jaffe’s work.  There's a disconnect there that is interesting. Does she not translate well, or maybe fully, for many people?  Are people turned off by such a literal name?  Maybe just because she's a true fringe artist?  She rides that area of being well respected by some and completely ignored by most.  That's certainly common with any music, but I feel she rises to that upper percentile where it is even more dramatic.  Besides all that, I've found her interaction with technology to be interesting.  Elden M/Allegory Chapel Ltd. used to mention her a lot and speak highly of her.  Wasn't she behind blackmetal.com?

Been listening every episode. This was among favorites. I was listening old M/SR tape one day at my store, and customer was asking what it was. Then we talked about why there isn't some bigger scale re-issues. My assumption is that material is in fine line of being too noisy, simple and primitive for rhythmic industrial crowd. And too "musical" for noise people. Too genuinely "vintage".

Yet, then you see ton of minimal synth oddities released as luxurious vinyl box-sets, so why not...?  In a way, I see no reason why this would be less interesting than Sleep Chamber early days box? There is a challenge. With the customer we talked about the fact that tapes have a lot of odd, weird and even goofy, and somewhat clumsy and technically awkward stuff. To curate M/SR best of release would not really display what the band was. It may be challenging at times, but it is 100% fact that no new band would have guts and confidence the publish material like that.

Lack of guts to put stuff out that may be ridiculed by listeners, can lead to making too nice material. It was talked in some of old Merzcasts. In many CD's Masami (or some old noise releases) would have weird and goofy "failures". Silly noises everybody would cut out now in editing process. In old material you often hear moments what sticks out - sometimes annoying - but always surprising. So, if there was reissue of M/SR, it would be shame to be just the best of, that is judged by current standards. It should have the same smell, unhygienic moments and oddities.

Back in the day, you could buy European fetish magazines, where M/SR existence was acknowledged. SECRET (belgium), and I recall <<O>> and maybe also Marquis (that may be too new magazine for it, but editor was same as in <<<0>>)? Basically biggest glossy rubber themed magazines, who published short articles of project and contact informations. Being familiar with project, it was always amazing to see the cross-over.

About This Lubricious Love, RRRon told me long ago, he was approached by Dog As Master (Hal McGee mid 80's to late 90's project) who was trying to get released on RRR, but Ron got to hear M/SR stuff as Debbie was McGee's girlfriend at the time and preferred to release that instead of much more "normal sounding" Dog As Master.  Certainly RRRon's decision can be understood, as Debbies work stood out so vividly.

(On sidenote, I would say, that now, also D.A.M. certainly would demand some CD reissue to be available for those who don't really listen online! You never hear anyone talk about this project. In this episode they briefly mention Cause And Effect being such a cult label, yet from their discography you can see Controlled Bleeding, The Haters, Lokomotiv S.S., Nurse With Wound, John Duncan, Blackhouse, Attrition and such who are either re-issued or widely recognized.. while all the "house bands" of label, often have only the original tape existing, that came out decades ago: Dog As Master, Viscera, M/SR,.. Maybe Mental also brilliant in some releases..)

This Lubricious Love had only that almost 24 minutes continuous piece, so to make it LP, they took 4 songs from old tapes to fill the A-side. First track guest vocals are done by Hal McGee. So already in 1987 it was partly re-issue of tapes, partly new works.

I'm not 100% how the Cybertzara / Extreme Subterranea thing goes, but I think Cybertzara name appears as catalogue number since M/SR put out the CD-Rom that includes (at the time, revolutionary) music clips & couple seconds animations you could view on your computer and "windows 95 system", heh..  In following years there was three VOND (a.k.a. Mortiis) releases that have catalogue/label mentioned Cybertzara, but as label it says Extreme Subterranea. Since 1997 they started Blackmetal.com, first to distribute stuff, but eventually also release.

Back in 1998 I made few orders from Blackmetal.com, and as it was cash-in-letter era, I sent them not only US$$'s but also Clandestine Blaze demo tape, which they were very interested in. Since I was going to publish vinyl only of 1999 album of CB, they proposed if they could do CD version since vinyl demand (at that time) was very small. The whole idea of putting out Black Metal vinyl in late 90's was very very different from what it is now. I was never looking for label, and as for me then, and basically now as well, underground metal as a whole, is going to wrong direction(s), I was very glad to get offer to work with people whom I knew to have long history in transgressive art. Both Elden M and Debbie, was no new to this and their work always had honesty and personality, not the posing as often seems. For me, to industrial background is way way better than entering BM via Iron Maiden and Cradle of Filth, so to say. Not that I'd particularly dislike those bands.
So CB first album CD version 1st press was done as Blackmetal.com first release 20 years ago, and I fondly remember their long standing support when vast majority of labels at the time was like Black Metal 7" release, who cares! We don't take it...

Nowadays, blackmetal.com is owned by other people, and to be re-launched at some point. Whatever happens in upcoming Blackmetal.com site, is not Debbie or Elden M, but the new owners of domain. As far as I can tell, it will be pure BM mailorder operating in USA. They probably still distribute some, if not all, CB items.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on October 22, 2019, 11:51:03 AM
Chunklet.

Henry's now defunct zine.

Here's the archived version of Jim's Merzbox review.

https://www.chunklet.com/magazines/chunklet-16/

Full text on the left side under Features.
Thanks.  Good and funny read.  Would love to see a scan of that centerfold

I'm sure you would you pervert. Agreed a very good read, if not necessarily geared toward a noise audience. Several moments, but this may be favorite-

Quote
DISC TWENTY THREE:
“There has been an amazing development to the Noise music of Merzbow and only after completeling the weekend long experience of listening to the Merzbox will this really seep in.” – Roger Richards / Extreme Records
Oh give me a fucking break. There is no fucking way that you can expect me to listen to the Merzbox non stop over a weekend.

And, thanks!


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Zeno Marx on October 22, 2019, 05:53:30 PM
Thanks for that great post, FreakAnimalFinland.  Agree about it not being a good idea to reissue her work only in part.  Don't care for the recontextualization of that approach for most though.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: bitewerksMTB on October 22, 2019, 09:49:58 PM
I remember ordering quite often from blackmetal.com, even have one of their stickers on the side of my stereo receiver.

"Brash Pussy" is all I owned by Dog as Master. Not sure if I heard other works or just that tape plus comp tracks on all of those Sound of Pig tapes.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: holy ghost on October 25, 2019, 12:49:29 AM
I don't think I will ever catch up on all the episodes but I have been trying to catch a few here and there. The Noisextra episode with Crank Sturgeon is great - I really enjoy relentless gear talk!


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: NaturalOrthodoxy on October 25, 2019, 02:31:20 PM
I don't think I will ever catch up on all the episodes but I have been trying to catch a few here and there. The Noisextra episode with Crank Sturgeon is great - I really enjoy relentless gear talk!

Actually bought a Verdant Weapons mic on the strength of this ep- already had a nasty lil Crank one!


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Eigen Bast on December 04, 2019, 08:01:07 PM
Year end ep is a lot of fun, though maybe a bit premature given how Hospital fest is Sat and their year end lists are so Hospital heavy. Main takeaways are I need to listen to more Body Carve and the new Slogun (which I thought was an ep comp)


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: totalblack on December 04, 2019, 08:47:51 PM
Year end ep is a lot of fun, though maybe a bit premature given how Hospital fest is Sat and their year end lists are so Hospital heavy. Main takeaways are I need to listen to more Body Carve and the new Slogun (which I thought was an ep comp)

Both mentioned releases are awesome and definitely worth spending time with


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Bruitiste on December 05, 2019, 07:00:07 PM
Year end ep is a lot of fun, though maybe a bit premature given how Hospital fest is Sat and their year end lists are so Hospital heavy. Main takeaways are I need to listen to more Body Carve and the new Slogun (which I thought was an ep comp)
Fun episode indeed, but given how much was released this year it's a bit of a headscratcher that some of their picks for records of the year are actually reissues that came out earlier (the Lussuria [2015], and S&Q's Atom Heart Motherfucker [2017], for example.)  Still, all good recs, and their enthusiasm is infectious.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: pureterror on December 06, 2019, 08:32:31 PM
Wow - another new episode just dropped covering a previously unreleased PAIN JERK album from the '90s that Hospital is releasing in time for their fest. Can't wait to hear this cd.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: NaturalOrthodoxy on December 09, 2019, 01:45:25 PM
I've got into the habit of checking out any records they cover that are new to me (this happens most weeks, I'm young, sue me).

I've never really checked out any Pain Jerk before- fast moving dexterous Japanese harsh noise rarely clicks with me. I think this is for the same reason that super techy death metal turns me off- if something is over complicated to the point that I can't relate to the creative process, it takes me out of the experience. I tend to prefer a simpler, more aggressive, even boneheaded brand of harsh noise. However, Mission Invisible: Kill The Poor is a super satisfying listen, and the Noisextra episode covering it has deepened my appreciation of it. Perhaps dissecting individual sounds and effects helps me digest the whole sound, or makes it seem more "handmade" and understandable.

I think my point is that as someone whose noise consumption is 90% power electronics and its related industrial subgenres and siblings, Noisextra has definitely broadened my appreciation of other genres of noise. Really excited to see what 2020 brings for this podcast


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Haare on December 10, 2019, 09:45:48 AM
their enthusiasm is infectious.
Seconded!


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: bibleblack on December 10, 2019, 05:08:17 PM
I've been really into this podcast they keep getting better and better, it also gives me a great excuse to really dig into an album, can't wait for next year!


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on January 06, 2020, 10:57:20 AM
I think Noisextra been on really good track for most of the episodes. Going back from newer to older:

Bananafish - I commented about that more on "noise zines that have existed" topic. Good listen from veteran 'zine maker and from guy enthusiastic on all that's weird, bizarre, odd, and surreal.

On Location: Hospital Fest, December 2019 - I liked the fractured puzzle of short interviews of people between the songs. Few collectors, couple labels dudes, some artists. Richard Ramirez piece is the most interesting probably! I was listening this on headphones, while going to sleep, and suddenly they're talking about BLJ's Jesus Is Stoned tape, how rare it is, and Richard says "I think Mikko has it". I was thinking Mikko who, are they talking about me? Then was thinking probably, although you can find couple other Mikko's in Finnish noise scene, haha..  Well, tried to locate the tape buy no luck so far. I have my doubts do I have it, but there is small possibility.

HOMETIME: Christmas Eve Special - not really my thing. This is normally the patreon bonus, so it's not something I'll hear anyways. In times when time is indeed limited, I rather listen material that is somewhat edited and focused.

In Conversation with Moonbeam Terror - interview, good thing that they have increased in Noisextra. This one I didn't care for. It may sound odd, but I'm not that much into "it was so sick, it was so crazy" kind of approach, hah.. Funny stuff happens all the time, but depending how it's told, occasionally it makes it more gringeworthy than "interesting".

In Conversation with Smell & Quim - interview, as oppose to Moonbeam Terror, this I found funny as fuck. Even if Dave is occasionally on shadow of hyper talkative Noisextra couple, their enthusiasm managed to get so many nuggets of information from Dave I had never heard about. Excellent, and amusing stuff.

PAINJERK – Mission Invisible: Kill the Poor  - latest of the "normal" episodes of Noisextra came as sort of boost for Hospital fest - and the release. They managed to get some info from Kohei Gomi about how this was made, about theme of release and so on. It's CD worth hyping anyways, but besides that there is good amount of background information.

Year End Wrap-up - talk about the best of 2019 lists. I have yet to decide if I have one. Jeph Jerman Archane Fracture CD, Torba CD.... ehm.. there are many good releases, but those two are top listened this years releases. I have listened more EXPLORATION ONE and EXTREME MUSIC FROM JAPAN compilations this year, than many of the good new arrivals, so feels like only time tells what are the best of 2019 - since I don't yet have good enough perception.

few more...



Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on January 11, 2020, 03:01:07 PM
That comment was not directed to hosts, but particular guest of the show.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: aububs on January 27, 2020, 09:58:16 PM
what's the deal with the evil moisture episode cutting off practically mid-sentence? seemed like there was a lot more to be discussed. another one where i could listen to the guest talk for hours

anyway, great episode regardless of the brevity


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Eigen Bast on January 28, 2020, 12:15:30 AM
Per their twitter, he had to run, planned on coming back but ended up being unable. Sad! Great ep. That town in Japan he talks about is wild


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: aububs on January 28, 2020, 12:34:00 AM
ah, ok. maybe he had the runs.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Soloman Tump on January 28, 2020, 04:32:55 PM
Didn't realise there was an Orphx episode, listened last night. Can't seem to find the Fragmentation album for download anywhere though, which is a shame as it would be nice to hear what they are talking about.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: aububs on January 28, 2020, 08:12:23 PM
Didn't realise there was an Orphx episode, listened last night. Can't seem to find the Fragmentation album for download anywhere though, which is a shame as it would be nice to hear what they are talking about.

http://stahlfabrik.blogspot.com/2018/01/orphx-fragmentation-malignant-records.html (http://stahlfabrik.blogspot.com/2018/01/orphx-fragmentation-malignant-records.html)


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: NaturalOrthodoxy on February 19, 2020, 11:28:24 AM
New episode is Con-Dom - The Eight Pillar. Personally my favourite noise release of any kind (I really obnoxiously commented "FINALLY" on their post about it which I immediately regretted- luckily managed to explain this was purely out of enthusiasm and not impatience).

Already started the episode and it's killer.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on February 26, 2020, 07:19:40 PM
Bananafish episode is...way beyond perfection. Goddamn, Mr Glass talks (almost) as good as he writes. Which is not good, but very very good. It is mentioned by the Noisextra folk, a few times, how Bananafish “legitimizes” noise. Mr Glass remains silent on this (or so my mindsear would perceive). As well he fucking should (as well he MOTHERFUCKING should). Apologies, but Bananafish is well beyond noise. Is well beyond sound. The magazine is, in itself, PURE ART. On the writing alone. The writing, when it is Glass, is simply far beyond almost anything written on the subject, of sound or art, then, now.

Honestly, I would nominate fucking Bananafish for a fucking Pulitzer fucking prize, if I fucking could. Fucking. Times ten. The man is that good. Incredibly inspirational and also soul-destroying, because, really, it takes actual, genuine, real writing talent to write at that level. In my dream world, Seymour Glass writes the story for all of us. The noisepervs. The bad. The ugly. Assuming we deserve it- which, is a stretch.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Bruitiste on February 26, 2020, 07:49:42 PM
Seymour is indeed amazing and I loved that episode.  Beside Seymour, Bananafish also had stupendous guest scribes at times — for example Tom Smith (of To Live and Shave in L.A./Ohne/Miss High Heel/etc.) did fantastic in his review column in issue 14 (not to mention the hilarious letters from the first issue, mentioned on the episode.)  Anyone who's perused TLASILA lyrics could gather as much, he's like the James Joyce of experimental music.

Looking forward to listening to the R&G Asshole/Snail Dilemma episode that just came out!  Thrilled to hear a book about Schimpfluch is in the works...


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Zeno Marx on February 28, 2020, 01:03:48 AM
Looking forward to listening to the R&G Asshole/Snail Dilemma episode that just came out!  Thrilled to hear a book about Schimpfluch is in the works...
I've been such a big fan of G*Park for as long as I've been into experimental music (Zabriskie Point influence), but I know zilch about R&G.  I think each time I've maybe heard R&G or Rudolf Eb.er, it's been heavy in vocal manipulations, which really aren't my thing.  In the past couple years, I've really warmed to Sudden Infant and Dave Phillips, particularly the latter.  The sonics and production values are so incredibly high quality.  Even if I don't care for the sources, my auditory senses are pushed on their toes, and I'm attracted.  R&G is like that as well, correct?  It's interesting that they choose this immaculate and dynamic quality of recording for such materials.  You'd almost expect everything to be raw and ugly on that level as well.  Looking forward to the book as well.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on February 28, 2020, 06:52:46 PM
I have enjoyed a lot all the recent episodes. Con-Dom, always good. I do have vague recollection that Dando once told that the way how he was exposed to Lawrence, was through exhibition by Club Moral. I have no concrete proof of when/how, but pretty firm gut feeling that was how it went. Good old networking and ideas transmitted from artist to another, and Con-Dom took it further from there.

It would be worth to mentioned Prince of our disorder 3”+tape set that consists live material from this era. In those years of his busy gigging, I was the one doing all the super-8 loops to digital -transfers that was used for live gigs and screenings. Many segments were repeated in editing, as original super-8 loops were pretty short due limitations of the format. Reels for 30 min set would have been pretty damn huge in size.

I recall Con-Dom performed the 8th pillar set in Finland. He played here several times, doing very unique shows. Once in my basement for invite-only audience, together with Snuff and some others. Playing very earlydays stuff from Have Faith era. Another special set in Lahti was Shards of Ordnance related, that was only show ever played, consisting nothing but his songs that appeared exclusively in compilation. Set ended into massive track found from Der Blutharsch tribute 4xCD set and it was monumental! Despite utterly small pub as venue, it felt monumental. Besides these small-audience ultra special shows, his sets in Finland were always something special.

Back then, there was some talk about attempt to do This Sickness Faith gig, that would only happen if we could get (defunct) church to host it. Haha.. needless to say, it did not happen and of course never will due project being retired.

I do appreciate very much the level of hype & praise Noisextra crew gives. It is hard to really explain the greatness of Con-Dom for someone who will conclude it may not be ”as noisy” and ”as brutal” as some other power electronics. I have a unfortunate feeling, that while we may have abundance of noisy and brutal PE, Con-Dom certainly was one of a kind, and there will be zero torch carriers to have same level of conceptual strength, sonic innovations and pure personality.

Schimpfluch episode - some good nuggets of new information for me.   


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Zeno Marx on February 28, 2020, 07:32:22 PM
Another special set in Lahti was Shards of Ordnance related, that was only show ever played, consisting nothing but his songs that appeared exclusively in compilation. Set ended into massive track found from Der Blutharsch tribute 4xCD set and it was monumental!
The Fire Danger Season 4CD set?


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on February 28, 2020, 07:59:35 PM
Yes. Live recording of song is found on War & Ordnance -tape. Zoom h2n recording ok, but not of course able to show how it really was.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Zeno Marx on March 19, 2020, 09:46:54 PM
Anyone have the MSBR/Koji Tano wayback machine URL?  I've searched, but I can't find it.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: PTM Jim on March 20, 2020, 02:23:48 AM
Anyone have the MSBR/Koji Tano wayback machine URL?  I've searched, but I can't find it.
It's just msbr.com


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on March 21, 2020, 09:26:18 AM
https://www.noisextra.com/2020/03/11/emil-beaulieau-anti-performance/

There is talk why Emil Beaulieau sounded different, and around 1h 5 min part talking is the thing room recording or not... well, back in the day, when Record Store Record song of RRR was recorded, it was me and I recall Steve Underwood of Harbinger, using loud packaging tape to wrap my boxes of LP's I bought and shipped to Finland. Just a deal I made with Ron about buying few hundreds of hardrock records when I was opening my store and needed "regular inventory".

Song was just the process of using loud ripping packaging tape. Crucial for piece to sound like it did -  RRRon just pulled out this toploader tape recorder, with built in microphones. He told that is the machine that pretty much every recording he has done has been made. Including also all those live matinees that were at RRR store on weekly basis for ages. Sound of this type of (often mono) deck is quite unique, due type of microphones it has and natural saturation. It is not all about gear he used to make sound, but I'm sure most of stuff, like minutoli cd's sounds *like that* because how they were recorded. Top loader next to amp, recording on tape, missing all the too high frequencies, missing all the lowest bass, the broken, mid-range dominated rusty sound.

This is the element that a lot of bands who try to sound rough and brutal, closer to the atrocities of for example 80's power electronics tapes, don't often see that it is not that much about what synths you may have, or what amps etc, but the microphones and the recorders. Doing the "zoom digital recorder" type of thing gives you clarity, but also this hollow flatness. Some older microphones, some specific boom boxes and especially these "office tools", like the toploaders meant to have good recording due used for dictating professionally etc.

If not knowing what I'm talking about, google for example: Panasonic RQ2102
Tons of similar size/type recorders, often working with batteries. Technically of course usually better than walkmen. Of course it can be gamble which brand has the good sound, good natural compression/saturation, clarity vs punch, not too much hissing etc. Yet this kind of recorders are often secret for the good old rotten and fierce noise, which is not just trying to add more distortion or trying to boost things with preamp simulators etc.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on March 21, 2020, 09:47:01 AM
Probably more suitable for "gear talk", but might just continue a bit. I keep telling a lot of people who record digitally, that it can work when done properly, but these hand held recorders thrown in room -type of thing is kind of ruining the contemporary noise releases. Many times you recognize instantly the certain type of "character" in sound.

I know nowadays it is getting harder and harder to just bump into tape decks in fleemarkets for dirt cheap prices, but if ever do, it seems to be always worth to grab. For example I have been using for vast majority of my recordings during last few years Technics RS-B335. It is by no means famous or "important" or "classic" gear. It's cheap as fuck. I just looked german ebay and seems like you can get then for 20-35 euro. It's good and simple no bullshit tape deck, but good options are, that when connecting things with RCA cables on the back, recording line-in stuff, it is good clean sound. When using exact same sources, but connecting RCA (with regular jack adaptors) to front microphone inputs, you get excellent saturation. Pretty much any noise sounds great, even if it does not color the sound in very specific way. There just happens some sort of sound magic similar to when thinking why Emil Beaulieau stuff sounds "different".

Most of my stuff is done live-on tape, and when you record on left/right - that is basically two mono tracks. After digitizing tape, you can blend in these 2 tracks unless it was just regular stereo. One example of fairly recent is SADIO "Sensuous..." tape. It's all rehearsal place live recording directly from mixer to Technics RS-B335. No "postproduction" mixing, no mastering. Just as it was on tape. Sound is probably better than any previous things recorded on wide variety of recorders.

I would ALWAYS recommend grabbing couple different style/era tape decks than investing 10 times more on "synth" or "efx" or "mixer". Way more crucial element in sounding good, of course sort of "solution for dummies" choice too as it is so easy. Of course good sound can be achieved by other means. This is just what I prefer.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Zeno Marx on March 21, 2020, 05:25:08 PM
Anyone have the MSBR/Koji Tano wayback machine URL?  I've searched, but I can't find it.
It's just msbr.com
that takes you to Poker Star Online

to FreakAnimalFinland's posts, every recorder of almost every type used to have built-in condenser microphones.  I believe it was standard for boom boxes.  Pre-90s?  The cassette decks I was buying in the 90s didn't have line jacks.  Anyone interested in microphones could register to The Trader's Den.  Those folks are the ones who are obsessive about this kind of gear.  Of course, they were looking for clarity, but I'm sure they could tell you what gear could get specific results.  They were the ones rigging recorders into wheelchairs so they could bootleg arena rock concerts.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: PTM Jim on March 21, 2020, 06:53:58 PM
Anyone have the MSBR/Koji Tano wayback machine URL?  I've searched, but I can't find it.
It's just msbr.com
that takes you to Poker Star Online
Weird. It works for me.
Here: https://web.archive.org/web/20050204032728/http://msbr.com/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20050204032728/http://msbr.com/)


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Zeno Marx on March 21, 2020, 10:03:50 PM
Anyone have the MSBR/Koji Tano wayback machine URL?  I've searched, but I can't find it.
It's just msbr.com
that takes you to Poker Star Online
Weird. It works for me.
Here: https://web.archive.org/web/20050204032728/http://msbr.com/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20050204032728/http://msbr.com/)
Thanks a lot.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Zeno Marx on April 02, 2020, 09:49:49 PM
Talking anti-records...maybe worthy of a thread?

I believe it was Rubbish from the Troniks board that did some great anti-records.  Correct Troniks user?  If so, I remember this blue, thick paint one that stuck to memory.  Wish I had saved that image.  Anyone know what that was called?


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: holy ghost on April 03, 2020, 05:33:50 PM
I don’t always check out the regular ones but the recent Trashware with Jay from Curcuit Wound was fucking great.

“Tell me about your signal chain” is like a mild form of pornography for me....


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Duncan on April 03, 2020, 05:49:41 PM
I don’t always check out the regular ones but

Likewise.  I'm just not a fan of this podcast in its regular format.  Sorry.  But when there are interesting guests in it's well worth it.  Chris Sienko's appearances have been great.  He has such a brilliant way of discussing noise and should be doing his own podcast really.  I've also appreciated episodes where artists get interviewed about their own work.  Seymour Glass, S&Q, Andy Bolus...more of that would be great.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: aububs on April 03, 2020, 09:06:07 PM
chris sienko should definitely have his own podcast


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Zeno Marx on April 04, 2020, 08:05:47 PM
RRR Taste Test episode...

One of those taboo subjects, but as MC touched on file sharing vs. tape dubbing.  Old argument.  Tape dubbing and mix tapes are one of the cornerstones of underground music.  Rehearsals, live, demos.  Borrowing records that you couldn't afford or find and making copies.  And basically how he differentiated the two was, as I understood it, the element of intimacy.  I find that interesting.  Having lived through both periods, I have to reach for a difference.  It's never been clearly different, though I definitely understand the argument.  Anyone else care to publicly share their opinion?  Not interested in an argument or judgment.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Duncan on April 06, 2020, 11:30:54 AM
RRR Taste Test episode...

One of those taboo subjects, but as MC touched on file sharing vs. tape dubbing.  Old argument.  Tape dubbing and mix tapes are one of the cornerstones of underground music.  Rehearsals, live, demos.  Borrowing records that you couldn't afford or find and making copies.  And basically how he differentiated the two was, as I understood it, the element of intimacy.  I find that interesting.  Having lived through both periods, I have to reach for a difference.  It's never been clearly different, though I definitely understand the argument.  Anyone else care to publicly share their opinion?  Not interested in an argument or judgment.

It's ultimately a totally different thing to tape dubbing/trading, but I think that file sharing has/had a certain character and feel to it that is often overlooked as its own significant cultural moment.  Despite the 'anything at anytime' availability of the internet we aren't just talking about users hoovering up everything they can find or searching out a specific album which will just be there instantly.  There was still lots of scope for discovery and exchange within it.  I certainly recall endless evenings using shitty P2P downloading programs and the same kind of experience as mentioned in the Taste Test episode of seeing all these weird band and artist names with no knowledge of what it all sounded like or where it came from other than it being bound up in some very general search term like 'weird', 'extreme', 'noise' etc etc.  The results would vary wildly, always depending on who was awake and sharing at a given time, you'd end up seeing particular items you'd never come across before and never seeing them again for this reason.  There was way less recourse to just go hunting on google for a web presence or info of all this stuff too back then and half the time you'd likely be downloading something straight off an artist themselves.  To this day I have tracks by some artists and still don't know who and what it really is.  Of course through some programs you could speak with them directly and discuss music.  I wouldn't use the word community here, at least not from my experience, but it was communicative for sure.  As I said, a different thing from tape trading and whatever it must have been like to make your major discoveries that way, and I'm only speaking from memory: it will have been different for many other people with better computers, internet connections and general smarts on how the shit worked, but my experience was one filled with mystery, ambiguity and intrigue and a massive part of formulating a taste for weird and noisy music.

This all refers to an older time for the internet and file sharing too...it was before music blogs filled with rips and viable online streaming sites, or databases or anything like that.  From a wider perspective I think people in my generation have a fairly overlooked experience of discovering music in the way these things get written about - it's either the days of all tape, vinyl and sometimes CD or the current world where everything is digital and online.  I never see anything said of the group in the middle who were too young for the tape trading and mail communication of the underground but were by no means raised in an online world, having gotten home internet access when they were already in their mid to late teens at a time when the online tools we have now were still very flawed or in some cases yet to be developed.  They discovered music through largely the same channels as everyone before them but the landscape was changing in ways people didn't fully appreciate and that crucial period where people really start to go nuts for music at a certain age took place in this complete middle point of what was then and what is now.  Even though people from this period are old enough to look back and memorialise it as a distinct time of its own, I doubt it can happen since so much developed so quickly and it was gone within a matter of a few years.  Maybe it's all for the best and wasn't anything that special overall, but it certainly existed and is largely not referenced.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on April 08, 2020, 05:49:26 PM
One of those taboo subjects, but as MC touched on file sharing vs. tape dubbing.  Old argument. 

In moments like these I go back to the roots. I mean, the roots for me. As a kid, at least in my town, the shit was available on the airwaves, on several radio stations. You'd maybe have to record hours upon hours of college radio or late night public broadcasting or whatever. But you would get shitloads of replayable awesomeness. To this day I have boxes upon boxes of replayable awesomeness.

But the point is. All your friends would STILL say- where the fuck do you get this shit? They wouldn't have a clue. Your parents wouldn't have a clue. No one would have a clue. It's on, every fucking night, or maybe every other fucking night, of at the least once a fucking night a week, but no one has a fucking clue because no one gives a flying fuck. Not a one could be arsed to seek the shit out like you were. To give the fuck, that may, under only the most ideal circumstances, fly.

And there's the dif. The percentage of persons who give a flying fuck. And then take yourself at that moment. Do you remember having spared a second thought for the persons whose giving of the flying fuck does not correspond to your own? Of course not. Because you would not have given a flying fuck for their not giving a flying fuck...

Uhh...

Sorry, getting carried away here. But suffice it to say, regardless of the source, an emphasis as far as curiosity on degree.

That degree is the difference. All caps on the THE.

(damn, this is some good beer)


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: theotherjohn on April 09, 2020, 01:49:40 PM
The early 2000's filesharing days of the internet were definitely an overlooked time for developing a more specialised or focused knowledge of music, or discovering things you wouldn't usually see in your local HMV. Word of mouth about Napster spread around my circle of friends at high/upper school and many a unique discovery was made, either intentionally or by accident. Sure, you could grab whatever nu-metal song you liked at the time for free, but what happens when you tried to download "Nirvana - Enter Sandman (Metallica cover).mp3" on your friend's recommendation? You get introduced to Wesley Willis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV0GI8FkJBc) and outsider music. Alternatively, you typed in swear words for a laugh and discovered the joys of Anal Cunt and their endlessly amusing/amusingly endless song titles which were perfectly suited to the P2P medium. And given that download speeds were grindingly slow on a pre-broadband modem and internet usage was then paid for by the minute, those sub-1MB downloads were quicker and easier to collect than a 4 minute song which might end up being broken after you'd finished downloading it 20 minutes later. Plus, the resulting download would be bloody funny to hear too.

My introduction to noise was via mp3.com where I first heard Whitehouse after reading about them in Bizarre magazine - when I listened to Dedicated To Peter Kurten (the obvious first choice), I wasn't sure if the sound I was hearing was broken because I was using a then-new-to-me codec called RealMedia. I had to listen to a few more tracks before I realised, wait, that actually IS what they actually sound like. Mind blown. I recall striking up a conversation with a stranger on Azureus or Morpheus or one of those successors to Napster that had a chat feature, and me casually mentioned discovering a band called Whitehouse which she probably wouldn't know about  - it turned out her boyfriend was a fan and had seen them play live recently. Mind blown again. I'm pretty sure the first full album download I made was Quality Time, copies of which I burned onto a CDr to hand to one of my English teachers at school, in return for some CDR compilations of early industrial from her partner (which is how I first heard TG and the sort). And because he worked as a studio engineer in a music college, that connection ended up resulting in him recording the first demo for the first (if only) band I was in at school.

Another thing about early filesharing was that pre-2005 or so, the internet was still considered an unsafe place (at least for younger people like me) for sending payment by electronic means, so downloading music just seemed like the natural conclusion to the whole computer/internet experience. Hackers stealing your card details seemed like a constant threat then, before PayPal or places like Amazon made things (seem) safer. Why bother with the stress when you can just get the music without the fluff? No wonder the music industry shit themselves at the thought of no-one paying excessive costs for physical media anymore! And what few things I was brave enough to buy in the early days of the internet were by still using traditional means like cheques, bank transfers, postal orders, ringing up someone's phone number to swap your card (or your parent's card) details or even the good old cash in the mail method (including asking your post office to exchange currency if you were paying dollars). The internet was just considered an extension of the phone book, and with that some extra effort was required to do most things. Hell, even waiting for your modem to connect or loading up web pages took a decent amount of time...

Anyways, I would argue that in the early days of filesharing there was plenty of intimacy given it was a new thing. Same goes for anything new before it becomes routine or gets co-opted. Early Myspace had intimacy, early Amazon had intimacy (how I miss the public Lists features reviewers would create for sharing music/book/film recommendations), YouTube had intimacy, Facebook had intimacy, this forum had intimacy. But people's attention spans can only stretch so far, and certainly the internet doesn't encourage a slower way of experiencing things in the long term. The fault probably lies with the medium itself, given people experience the internet spacially rather than durationally. You know the somewhat frozen limitations of a C90 mixtape cassette or a physical/hard collection - not so much a network of computers, data drives and the people using them that change and evolve constantly.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: l.b. on April 09, 2020, 07:12:09 PM
depths of the internet is more much degenerate and. disgusting than even most graphic heyday of mail art/tape trading etc. i wasn't around back then but nowadays any 12 year old kid can watch another 12 year old ISIS kid shoot a bunch of people in HD quality. having access to internet by age 12-13 was totally crucial in my musical development; not having money, i'd never be able to afford say GISM lp or even steady stream of contemporary releases i might've wanted. also, internet does not necessarily make things more easily available; one still has to undertake to find it. file sharing blogs I loved, as they became a reliable and well-curated selection, many things would be downloaded just because they appeared on certain blog. nobody i knew at 18 years old or whatever would have personally recommended me Hijokaidan's "Modern," only out of insatiable desire for new sound and pursuit of strange corners did I come across such on my own.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Bloated Slutbag on April 10, 2020, 04:29:14 PM
depths of the internet is more much degenerate and. disgusting than even most graphic heyday of mail art/tape trading etc.

But not, and let’s make this clear, for want of trying! There was no internet the but there were the dial-up BBSes, principle purpose of which, at least from my vantage, was the dissemination every sick and twisted perversion possible (and several perversions probably actually not). No music, or none to my recollection of note, but oodles of smut, much of it gloriously degenerate. (Though obviously, in terms of the real here and now, nowhere near the nothing-left-to-the-imagination world of HD. One may try, but the technology would only go so far.)


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on April 10, 2020, 05:05:53 PM
Before social media, before blogs, discogs and all that stuff, I recall... was it harshnoise.com or noise.com ? And from there one could get link to mr. STIMBOX website, where he had installed chat. Those days it was probably first time I got to talk to international noise fanatics. I don’t remember who all I found there. Death Squad, Stimbox himself, Sadio, Cloama, bunch of others I recall.
Also irc is another very early thing. I don’t remember ANY noise related channels, yet I remember chatting via irc with Cosmonauts Hail Satan and bunch of other guys. That is already in the 90’s. When pretty much nobody had internet home, but had to go to library or such place to get access.
I got my first email in 1997, as Lasse Marhaug insisted communication about Scandinavian Noise Manifesto would be faster if it would not be about sending letters between 3 artists.
Perhaps many messages above could be their own topic. That could be splitted out of this. Lets see a bit later!


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Zeno Marx on April 22, 2020, 10:53:09 PM
Jazzed about something on Gruntsplatter.  Deserved.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: EXU on May 09, 2020, 05:31:04 PM
SPK "Information Overload Unit" with Canady is just beyond awesome, he should be a regular.


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: Zeno Marx on May 22, 2020, 05:21:29 PM
I haven't heard it once until I've heard it thrice definitely applies to the Robert Ashley episode.

http://www.ubu.com/sound/ashley.html

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Source-Music-Of-The-Avant-Garde-Source-Records-1-6-1968-1971/release/1657441


Title: Re: NOISEXTRA - A podcast about noise
Post by: CMSFoundation on May 27, 2020, 04:52:18 PM
I haven't heard it once until I've heard it thrice definitely applies to the Robert Ashley episode.

http://www.ubu.com/sound/ashley.html

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Source-Music-Of-The-Avant-Garde-Source-Records-1-6-1968-1971/release/1657441

Thank you very much!

One more Ubu link of considerable importance to the episode:

http://www.ubu.com/historical/wolgamot/index.html