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Title: Grunt !
Post by: Thor on July 12, 2017, 12:38:33 AM
Couldn't find a topic on this but I was wondering what most people consider the best Grunt material, be it full length, split or ep.
I don't think I can actually throw in a straight answer myself since I really like most of Mikko's material, maybe the Schoolyard Bruises material or Petturien Rooli but I also really like his last full length, Myth of Blood.

Edit: Seems this has become the go to thread for all grunt related discussion, which is good, thread name updated accordingly.


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: F_c_O on July 12, 2017, 08:02:12 AM
Either welfare 7" or Terror & Degeneration.


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: Leatherface on July 12, 2017, 08:45:26 AM
Seer of Decay


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: Neanderthal on July 12, 2017, 09:18:19 AM
Terror & Degeneration


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: Deadpriest on July 12, 2017, 09:24:02 AM
Someone Is Watching


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: JuhoN on July 12, 2017, 10:57:04 AM
Petturien rooli


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: Thor on July 12, 2017, 11:44:14 AM
Wish FA would press some of the canon releases on lp(such as PR, SoD or T&D)


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: Deadpriest on July 12, 2017, 04:26:08 PM
Seer of Decay

Hiya X. that one's up there for me too.


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: Baglady on July 13, 2017, 08:03:47 AM
Installation Of Blood And Steel and disc 2 of Seer Of Decay.


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on July 13, 2017, 10:04:11 AM
Wish FA would press some of the canon releases on lp(such as PR, SoD or T&D)

There was Terror and Degeneration as two separate LP's in 2005. This material could have been good album back in late 90's, but it somehow scattered into various releases. Most stuff was recorded roughly same time, but there was two tracks on Addicted 7" long delayed by Japanese label. Terror was supposed to be 7" on USA label that got cancelled. Some material of era was sent to Terror compilation for Spastik Soniks that never came out. Eventually some of the stuff or different versions was put out as Terror & Degeneration CDR, that got done on tape by Dead Rats label. Finally in 2005 as two separate LP's with some formerly unreleased tracks/versions of same sessions. All that made to CD reissue. Still having "addicted" 7" material and Terror compilation tracks on it, would make it sort of "all included" complete album. Just consider that having so many different versions already, makes one more reissue little awkward...

PR and SoD are too long to be proper vinyl releases. Tapes, possibly, but even then Seer of Decay track lengths makes it very hard to put it on sides of tape that would make sense on length. There probably exists bunch of unreleased of "rare" material of 2nd disc sessions. RRR's Recycled tape + some tracks that didn't fit on disc.

New album is already recorded and waiting to be released, which is my personal favorite of course. It is more like last few Grunt albums that have really been from beginning to end made to be proper album, while many things in past are "collections of tracks" that were done roughly in same period of time.


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: Otomo_Hava on July 13, 2017, 11:46:36 AM
Wish FA would press some of the canon releases on lp(such as PR, SoD or T&D)

There was Terror and Degeneration as two separate LP's in 2005. This material could have been good album back in late 90's, but it somehow scattered into various releases. Most stuff was recorded roughly same time, but there was two tracks on Addicted 7" long delayed by Japanese label. Terror was supposed to be 7" on USA label that got cancelled. Some material of era was sent to Terror compilation for Spastik Soniks that never came out. Eventually some of the stuff or different versions was put out as Terror & Degeneration CDR, that got done on tape by Dead Rats label. Finally in 2005 as two separate LP's with some formerly unreleased tracks/versions of same sessions. All that made to CD reissue. Still having "addicted" 7" material and Terror compilation tracks on it, would make it sort of "all included" complete album. Just consider that having so many different versions already, makes one more reissue little awkward...

PR and SoD are too long to be proper vinyl releases. Tapes, possibly, but even then Seer of Decay track lengths makes it very hard to put it on sides of tape that would make sense on length. There probably exists bunch of unreleased of "rare" material of 2nd disc sessions. RRR's Recycled tape + some tracks that didn't fit on disc.

New album is already recorded and waiting to be released, which is my personal favorite of course. It is more like last few Grunt albums that have really been from beginning to end made to be proper album, while many things in past are "collections of tracks" that were done roughly in same period of time.

Excited, as always, to hear a forthcoming Grunt album's coming and i will look forward to bying it and see his direction(s) takes in, even if i found Myth Of Blood kinda mediocre but with realy good elements and sound snippets and ideas. Don't get me wrong, my Grunt's favourite album is World Draped In A Camouflage because of the new and daring steps Mikko taking with sound process and manipulations winning his challenge of refreshing his project and i don't think i may see a W.D.I.A.C sequel to top it or copying from it.


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: manuelM on July 13, 2017, 05:43:35 PM
Petturien Rooli


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: deathcamp on July 13, 2017, 06:15:08 PM
Album: World Draped In A Camouflage
Short format: Dead Beauty 7" EP.


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: Thor on July 14, 2017, 12:41:50 PM
Quote
PR and SoD are too long to be proper vinyl releases. Tapes, possibly, but even then Seer of Decay track lengths makes it very hard to put it on sides of tape that would make sense on length. There probably exists bunch of unreleased of "rare" material of 2nd disc sessions. RRR's Recycled tape + some tracks that didn't fit on disc.
Well that sucks. I was really clinging to the hope of these two eventually being pressed in wax.  
That being said, I really don't see the problem with putting PR on dlp and SoD would indeed become a constant side-flipper of a larger set but nothing that couldn't be done. Given that these two are in fact two of Grunt's most praised efforts.
Great news about the new album though, just keeping the same vocal style as from last albums is enough to keep me interested.


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: xdementia on July 28, 2017, 08:14:08 PM
Seer of Decay


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: Otomo_Hava on October 01, 2017, 10:27:24 PM
Wish FA would press some of the canon releases on lp(such as PR, SoD or T&D)

There was Terror and Degeneration as two separate LP's in 2005. This material could have been good album back in late 90's, but it somehow scattered into various releases. Most stuff was recorded roughly same time, but there was two tracks on Addicted 7" long delayed by Japanese label. Terror was supposed to be 7" on USA label that got cancelled. Some material of era was sent to Terror compilation for Spastik Soniks that never came out. Eventually some of the stuff or different versions was put out as Terror & Degeneration CDR, that got done on tape by Dead Rats label. Finally in 2005 as two separate LP's with some formerly unreleased tracks/versions of same sessions. All that made to CD reissue. Still having "addicted" 7" material and Terror compilation tracks on it, would make it sort of "all included" complete album. Just consider that having so many different versions already, makes one more reissue little awkward...

PR and SoD are too long to be proper vinyl releases. Tapes, possibly, but even then Seer of Decay track lengths makes it very hard to put it on sides of tape that would make sense on length. There probably exists bunch of unreleased of "rare" material of 2nd disc sessions. RRR's Recycled tape + some tracks that didn't fit on disc.

New album is already recorded and waiting to be released, which is my personal favorite of course. It is more like last few Grunt albums that have really been from beginning to end made to be proper album, while many things in past are "collections of tracks" that were done roughly in same period of time.

Excited, as always, to hear a forthcoming Grunt album's coming and i will look forward to bying it and see his direction(s) takes in, even if i found Myth Of Blood kinda mediocre but with realy good elements and sound snippets and ideas. Don't get me wrong, my Grunt's favourite album is World Draped In A Camouflage because of the new and daring steps Mikko taking with sound process and manipulations winning his challenge of refreshing his project and i don't think i may see a W.D.I.A.C sequel to top it or copying from it.

Is it possible to learn when new Grunt's album will be released?


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on October 02, 2017, 12:47:44 PM
Maybe november!


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: drunk on October 02, 2017, 02:53:53 PM
From Petturien Rooli onwards Grunt got real serious in my opinion, by far the strongest material.


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: Force Neurotic on October 02, 2017, 10:06:55 PM
From Petturien Rooli onwards Grunt got real serious in my opinion, by far the strongest material.

Agreed. The previous eras of Grunt seemed like "hit singles" based around strong, singular concepts while the newer material all seems to relate to a wider concept or range of ideas with each still having individual characteristics...all the albums seem to have what Frank Zappa called "conceptual continuity." I have a hard time picking a favorite, because most recent stuff just continues to evolve and improve, and can sometimes feel like one continuing album that spans multiple releases.


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on October 05, 2017, 06:26:06 PM
"conceptual continuity."

This is true, and very much nature of new album. It picks up musically, and conceptually, where previous work was. And furthermore, those who are interested in other music than Grunt, can of course see topics evolve or drift to various directions in some other musical works what expands same themes.


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on January 08, 2018, 09:34:00 AM
Maybe november!

Due quality issue of original test press, LP plates has to be re-done before sound was good. Therefore couple of months delay. There was no point putting out inferior sounding LP. Now I'm confident to sell vinyl version without hesitation!

OUT NOW:
Grunt ”Castrate The Illusionist” LP/CD

Born in 1993, Grunt remains one of the most active and restless forces in Finnish – or even global industrial noise network. Since first tapes published 25 years ago, project has been active without any breaks. Messy discography makes it hard to judge how many actual ”albums” has been created. List of releases reaches close to hundred, yet most of them represents other approach than creation of ”album”. Castrate The Illusionist goes directly into line of albums such as Myth Of Blood (2015), World Draped In A Camouflage (2012), Petturien Rooli (2009) and Seer of Decay (2006).

This path of recent 10 years Grunt focused mostly on creation of coherent albums. Each album has had its own character, yet often continuation of sound and themes of the previous one. Three years between the albums often spent on smaller releases and extensive amount of live gigs.

”Castrate The Illusionist” album represents both, sonic rawness of direct live-on-tape recordings as well as obsessive care on small detail. 40 minute album consists of 11 tracks, making most of them short, loaded with strong impact what leaves one hunger for more. Sound combines traditions of experimental electronics to fierce power electronics and industrial noise, aiming to fusion of interesting textures and details without losing ripping violent force of dark side of noise.

Digital stream/download available from bandcamp.

grunt-finland.bandcamp.com (http://grunt-finland.bandcamp.com)

CD version comes in jewelcase with 8 page booklet 12 euro + shipping
www.nhfastore.net/grunt-castrate-the-illusionist-cd
 (http://www.nhfastore.net/grunt-castrate-the-illusionist-cd)
LP version comes in full color sleeve with 12”x12” insert. 19 euro + shipping
www.nhfastore.net/grunt-castrate-the-illusionist-lp (http://www.nhfastore.net/grunt-castrate-the-illusionist-lp)

 
Grunt ”Sacrosanct Imperium” 12”

Re-issue of 20 minute tape that came out after Myth Of Blood album. Some concluded it to be superior material compared to full length. Whether this is true or not, Freak Animal acknowledges the strength of material to be worthy of vinyl reissue to keep it available little longer. Constant demand of the tape version has resulted material to be widely available, so vinyl edition is quite small.

Three raw yet also atmospheric tracks of industrial-noise, hammering electronic pulses, distorted screaming vocals and broken sonic waste.

Each vinyl is one-sider, including all the music on the other side and pasted-on graphics on other side of the vinyl, making it resemble picture-disc look. Includes graphics and lyrics of the original tape version.

15 euro + shipping
www.nhfastore.net/grunt-sacrosanct-imperium-mLP (http://www.nhfastore.net/grunt-sacrosanct-imperium-mLP)



Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: totalabuse on January 08, 2018, 09:39:02 PM
been listening to the new album all day. incredible material. both raw and base but original and basically encapsulates everything I love about PE / industrial music. clanking buzzing lo fi looping rage anger experimentation etc


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: NaturalOrthodoxy on January 09, 2018, 05:38:19 PM
New album is indeed outstanding. The "experimental" tag is a loaded term but there seems to be some genuine exploration on this album without mitigating the power or heaviness at any point. Great variation in textures


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: ONE on January 11, 2018, 01:27:19 AM
I would offer (under extreme duress) Myth Of Blood - but that's w/ many a caveat.  I simply don't like this album to be taken as a whole; I cannot accept it in its entirety and that is not without trying. 

There is more to a work of art than an idea / premise / concept behind the piece:  the execution of those ideas is every bit as important as the ideas themselves, and only from close attention and learning in both of these aspects will a work attain longevity, and retain its integrity through repeated listenings over the passage of time.  It also separates the great from the mediocre.  The album is beaten, bullied, bruised, and battered by a lo-fi/no-fi truly hopeless production that stinks more of laziness than a willful downgrading of aesthetic values; and I simply cannot countenance that w/ the fact that the same man offered Black Line, an album that keeps on giving and stands proud in its richness alongside other lifelong favourites such as Highway To Hell, Daydream Nation and Margin Walker.

I've much to thank Grunt for: an introduction to Pentti Linkola; the lyric, Barrier between Man and animals (which for some reason refuses to leave my brain).  Yet the album itself remains cursed to me, and for that I am thankful.


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: Thor on January 12, 2018, 03:15:28 PM
I would offer (under extreme duress) Myth Of Blood - but that's w/ many a caveat.  I simply don't like this album to be taken as a whole; I cannot accept it in its entirety and that is not without trying. 

There is more to a work of art than an idea / premise / concept behind the piece:  the execution of those ideas is every bit as important as the ideas themselves, and only from close attention and learning in both of these aspects will a work attain longevity, and retain its integrity through repeated listenings over the passage of time.  It also separates the great from the mediocre.  The album is beaten, bullied, bruised, and battered by a lo-fi/no-fi truly hopeless production that stinks more of laziness than a willful downgrading of aesthetic values; and I simply cannot countenance that w/ the fact that the same man offered Black Line, an album that keeps on giving and stands proud in its richness alongside other lifelong favourites such as Highway To Hell, Daydream Nation and Margin Walker.

I've much to thank Grunt for: an introduction to Pentti Linkola; the lyric, Barrier between Man and animals (which for some reason refuses to leave my brain).  Yet the album itself remains cursed to me, and for that I am thankful.

Haha if this is how you talk about your favorite grunt album then how do you talk about the other grunt albums.
I think I know what you're getting into however, I find Myth of Blood more challenging than his other work, meaning that there are times I put it on and simply don't feel it and then there are other times which it all just clicks for me. It's a mindset thing for me I guess. Lyrically his strongest for sure, many passes which just stick with you. Picking up the new album from the mail today and can't wait to hear which approach was chosen for the new work.


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: Noisemare_Soinc_Noise on January 22, 2018, 07:34:03 PM
That's a though one, so I am going to go with what stands out in my mind.

The New Form Of The Organic Machine tapes

split with Alchemy Of The 20th Century tape

split with STROM.ec
tape


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: murderous_vision on January 22, 2018, 07:47:34 PM
Spent the weekend with Castrate The Illusionist. Fantastically powerful work.


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: cr on March 16, 2019, 11:51:49 AM
Not an album, but the two tracks on The End for Simulation of Pro-Creation might be one of my favourites. Good to have these now on CD as well.

I think my favourite album could be Seer of Decay, CD2 always kills me. But preference is also changing a lot. The last three albums are fantastic, too.

I also very much like the Documentation 3CD set.


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on March 16, 2019, 09:39:30 PM
GRUNT "Kraniometria" 3"CD will be next release. It takes leap to different direction. Instrumental full on harsh noise release. Probably first instrumental harsh release since Installation of Blood and Steel if I recall correctly.

Documents 3xCD and Seer of Decay 2xCD has been bending on "to be repressed" list.


Title: Re: Grunt !
Post by: brutalist_tapes on March 26, 2019, 04:03:03 PM
as mikko himself has admitted, projects discography is pretty messy, but almost unnecessary to mention he has more than made of for that. hard for me to choose a definite favourite, but i think the period of greatness starts slowly with last grip to sanity, changes gears with seer of decay, becomes quite advanced with the finnish civil war concept cd.. lots of details, a thing that would get more and more attention. so i definitely prefer the latter period and newer grunt.
my favourites would (probably) be:
1. myth of blood
2. world draped in a camouflage
3. castrate the illusionist

at the moment at least!


Title: Re: Favorite Grunt album
Post by: Fistfuck Masonanie on March 29, 2019, 11:33:17 PM

Documents 3xCD and Seer of Decay 2xCD has been bending on "to be repressed" list.

Would grab all of these immediately as I slept on both releases the first time around.

My favorite is absolutely Petturien Rooli as the attention to detail in each track is exquisite. There is such a rich texture to the sound on this album that I think is unmatched on the others I've heard. Maybe it's because I've been listening to a lot of Vivenza recently (thanks to the revived thread), but this material feels influenced by that kind of work. Very industrial and a feel of autonomy to the sounds. World Draped In A Camouflage comes at a close second as the attention to detail is still fantastic, but used in a different manner. All great work!


Title: Re: Grunt !
Post by: Eigen Bast on March 30, 2019, 03:20:34 AM
World Draped in a Camouflage, such a bulldozer of a record and huge inspiration for me.


Title: Re: Grunt !
Post by: Thor on April 12, 2019, 10:36:54 AM
Have been listening a lot to "Long lasting happiness" recently and that is a cd which does not (!) receive enough praises. It's the type of noise I was looking for when I started listening to these genres.  Both piercing and brutal.
Quickly becoming a favourite.
New 3" cd needs a few more listens. Seems to be carefully crafted but it always takes a bit of time with HN releases like that to sink in.


Title: Re: Grunt !
Post by: ConcreteMascara on April 12, 2019, 08:31:24 PM
Have been listening a lot to "Long lasting happiness" recently and that is a cd which does not (!) receive enough praises. It's the type of noise I was looking for when I started listening to these genres.  Both piercing and brutal.
Quickly becoming a favourite.
New 3" cd needs a few more listens. Seems to be carefully crafted but it always takes a bit of time with HN releases like that to sink in.

It's a excellent composite release. Long Lasting Happiness Part 4 is one of the best tracks in all of Grunt's discography. It perfectly encapsulates the "Seer of Decay" purpose of Grunt in 5 minutes. Of course it's incomplete without the context of the other parts. The tracks from the Nihilistic Paraphilia comps are also top-tier, especially from the second one. Though I'd say those tracks are even better in context of the original compilations, which are hard to track down but well worth it!


Title: Re: Grunt !
Post by: HateSermon on April 18, 2019, 02:35:50 AM
Currently listening to the Ritual of Mortality live cassette. Some of my favorite Grunt material and one of my favorite tapes that I own. Mikko is a fucking powerhouse live. 


Title: Re: Grunt !
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on June 06, 2019, 08:26:26 AM
Not GRUNT album, but some unreleased 2019 harsh noise works can be heard as audio of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYoqLQucsCg&feature=youtu.be


Title: Re: Grunt !
Post by: PedestrianOrgans on June 06, 2019, 09:38:25 AM
While we’re on a quick Grunt-adjacent note here, I gotta add that the new Selected Killing 3” is perfection. I love shorter formats because they almost force focus, really hoping more recordings come from this sometime.


Title: Re: Grunt !
Post by: DSOL on June 07, 2019, 05:59:32 AM
Not GRUNT album, but some unreleased 2019 harsh noise works can be heard as audio of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYoqLQucsCg&feature=youtu.be


the Veles clock is awesome


Title: Re: Grunt !
Post by: bitewerksMTB on June 12, 2019, 01:17:04 AM
Not GRUNT album, but some unreleased 2019 harsh noise works can be heard as audio of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYoqLQucsCg&feature=youtu.be

Basically a fucking commercial... but a good one. I'd love to see that place in person!

I've spent the last couple nights listening to "The Myth of Blood" & "Castrate the Illusionist". I'd say Myth edges out the other for my favorite but it wins only by a cunt hair or two.

I'm going to have to listen to that recent one-sider again & find "World Draped in Camo."* which I'm thinking I don't own but that can't be right! Also, going to have to listen to the new mini-disc again as the first spin didn't grab me for some reason.

*I found it!



Title: Re: Grunt !
Post by: PedestrianOrgans on June 12, 2019, 02:12:27 AM

I'm going to have to listen to that recent one-sider again & find "World Draped in Camo."* which I'm thinking I don't own but that can't be right! Also, going to have to listen to the new mini-disc again as the first spin didn't grab me for some reason.

*I found it!



Yeah that 3” is sick once it sets in. WDIAC is my favorite although probably neck-in-neck with Seer.


Title: Re: Grunt !
Post by: DSOL on June 12, 2019, 03:24:02 PM
been listening to a lot of live Grunt recording lately - relentless, crushing the only ways I can describe Grunt live

recent playlist of the live recordings I've been listening too
Live In UK
Charred Empire - Live UK 2005-2006
Live @ No Fun Fest
Documentation - Live Assaults Around Europe 2005-2008
Dance For The Genocide: Live 2012 Helsinki / London
Providence, RI @ The Livingroom March 27 2004
Boston, MA @ The Midway Cafe March 28 2004


Title: Re: Grunt !
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on June 13, 2019, 07:48:39 AM
Documentations box will be reissued soon. It has a lot of good stuff, unreleased versions or completely unreleased tracks with really good sound.

Long ago there was plan to make ”live camoflage” release as there was Many good alternative versions of sets played at the time, but them decided just upload one gig to bandcamp. May still do physical edition even this year as based on my own habits - i do not listen music from bandcamp and if live material is good and somehow exclusive, physical release can be justified.


Title: Re: Grunt !
Post by: bitewerksMTB on June 15, 2019, 01:40:04 AM
Digging around last night for one thing, I found 5 or 6 things I had forgotten about. One is the "Addicted" 7" that only 2 people on Discogs own plus a bunch of cd-r releases along with "Europe After Storm" & "Someone is Watching" cd's for the listening pile. Plus that 3xcd live release.

I listened to the first disc of "Seer of Decay" & "Petturien Rooli" last night.