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Title: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on June 11, 2016, 02:25:23 AM
Two albums I've been obsessively listening to lately. Mysticum's "Planet Satan". Great, rather punk-simple sounding riffs and a nice misanthropic streak, as any decent Black Metal band should have (I get a bit put off by the word "Lucifer", though. Personal thing, as Lucifer is the "angel of light", it sounds too positive to me). And I've come to the conclusion that all Black Metal bands should have drum machines instead of real drummers. Drum machines sound better. You can do more with them. You don't have to bother with big, bulky crap on stage. Human drummers suck. What's next is to get synthesisers to sound like distorted guitars then you can ditch the last relics of rock and roll and have Black Metal as the completely non-human noise it was always supposed to be.

And Subklinik's "Musik For Dekomposition". A complete pastiche of Brighter Death Now's earlier stuff and it's brilliant. Relaxing comfort music. Basic Death Industrial. Fucking love it.


Title: Re: PLAYLIST with COMMENTS/REVIEWS
Post by: AXNAAR on June 12, 2016, 07:18:45 AM
I've come to the conclusion that all Black Metal bands should have drum machines instead of real drummers. Drum machines sound better. You can do more with them. You don't have to bother with big, bulky crap on stage. Human drummers suck. What's next is to get synthesisers to sound like distorted guitars then you can ditch the last relics of rock and roll and have Black Metal as the completely non-human noise it was always supposed to be
Controversial opinion! Would have to strongly disagree with you - black metal for my taste should be rough around the edges, not mechanical and in perfect time - save that for dance music. Can you imagine 'Under a Funeral Moon' with drum machine? The drums are one element that makes that album perfect. I find it funny also imagining morbid black metal guy sitting down with his drum machine instruction book and programming his beats.


Title: Re: PLAYLIST with COMMENTS/REVIEWS
Post by: Yrjö-Koskinen on June 12, 2016, 08:33:42 AM
I've come to the conclusion that all Black Metal bands should have drum machines instead of real drummers. Drum machines sound better. You can do more with them. You don't have to bother with big, bulky crap on stage. Human drummers suck. What's next is to get synthesisers to sound like distorted guitars then you can ditch the last relics of rock and roll and have Black Metal as the completely non-human noise it was always supposed to be
Controversial opinion! Would have to strongly disagree with you - black metal for my taste should be rough around the edges, not mechanical and in perfect time - save that for dance music. Can you imagine 'Under a Funeral Moon' with drum machine? The drums are one element that makes that album perfect. I find it funny also imagining morbid black metal guy sitting down with his drum machine instruction book and programming his beats.

It all depends on type of black metal. If you listen to something like Mors summa - Europa Europae you will find an album which is certainly not "perfect and in perfect time", and probably no one sat down and programmed too many beats either. And there is in fact entire traditions of drum machine use in black metal (the 90s Greek scene with the PAH-PAH-PAH-PAH-drums of early Rotting Christ, Thou Art Lord etc). One major advantage is of course that you don't have to rehearse in the same way, and also that you get rid of the drummer - usually the worst guy in any given band.

That being said, I generally prefer very organic stuff. To me good black metal is closer to folk music than industrial. I don't really care at all for the "inhuman" element, and these days I generally like the "Ukranian-nazi-in-full-battle-armour" type far more than "bitter scandinavian singing about his broken heart and how he hates everyone" type. But I still think drum machine use can be great (like in Mysticum). The "perfection" is easily offset by awful (=great) sound quality.


Title: Re: PLAYLIST with COMMENTS/REVIEWS
Post by: AXNAAR on June 12, 2016, 10:18:53 AM
I've come to the conclusion that all Black Metal bands should have drum machines instead of real drummers. Drum machines sound better. You can do more with them. You don't have to bother with big, bulky crap on stage. Human drummers suck. What's next is to get synthesisers to sound like distorted guitars then you can ditch the last relics of rock and roll and have Black Metal as the completely non-human noise it was always supposed to be
Controversial opinion! Would have to strongly disagree with you - black metal for my taste should be rough around the edges, not mechanical and in perfect time - save that for dance music. Can you imagine 'Under a Funeral Moon' with drum machine? The drums are one element that makes that album perfect. I find it funny also imagining morbid black metal guy sitting down with his drum machine instruction book and programming his beats.

It all depends on type of black metal. If you listen to something like Mors summa - Europa Europae you will find an album which is certainly not "perfect and in perfect time", and probably no one sat down and programmed too many beats either. And there is in fact entire traditions of drum machine use in black metal (the 90s Greek scene with the PAH-PAH-PAH-PAH-drums of early Rotting Christ, Thou Art Lord etc). One major advantage is of course that you don't have to rehearse in the same way, and also that you get rid of the drummer - usually the worst guy in any given band.

That being said, I generally prefer very organic stuff. To me good black metal is closer to folk music than industrial. I don't really care at all for the "inhuman" element, and these days I generally like the "Ukranian-nazi-in-full-battle-armour" type far more than "bitter scandinavian singing about his broken heart and how he hates everyone" type. But I still think drum machine use can be great (like in Mysticum). The "perfection" is easily offset by awful (=great) sound quality.
I guess it depends on your definition of black metal, for me 80's and early 90's style is the only true way. Might be confusing electric drum pads for drum machine on Mors Summa - not too keen on that style of bm anyway. Mysticum could be above average if they didn't have drum machine - I was waiting for the man that programmed them to get bored and add clapping hands or barking dog effect in there - far too close to dance music drums for me. Pushing a little button hundreds of times is a very poor substitute for hitting a full drum kit and playing with a band.


Title: Re: PLAYLIST with COMMENTS/REVIEWS
Post by: Yrjö-Koskinen on June 12, 2016, 09:05:43 PM
I guess it depends on your definition of black metal, for me 80's and early 90's style is the only true way. Might be confusing electric drum pads for drum machine on Mors Summa - not too keen on that style of bm anyway. Mysticum could be above average if they didn't have drum machine - I was waiting for the man that programmed them to get bored and add clapping hands or barking dog effect in there - far too close to dance music drums for me. Pushing a little button hundreds of times is a very poor substitute for hitting a full drum kit and playing with a band.
I have never had more than a passing interest in the 80s stuff. Obviously Venom, Celtic Frost, Hellhammer etc all have a couple of nice songs, but my interest in black metal has nothing to do with them and never had. If I want old rock music I'll go with Maiden or UFO. ;) Even in the mid-90s, when I was so tRuE that I couldn't even listen to stuff like King Diamond without finding it "like extremely gay", I still never had a problem with synthesizers or drum machines. That being said, I think "drum machine black metal" and black metal with live drummers are sort of different animals altogether. I could list a long row of demos that sound great precisely due to the shitty drum machine, where a real drummer would have added nothing and made stuff much blander. Then again, obviously many albums would have been terrible with a drum machine.

The key is that the drum machine shouldn't just be a substitute for the drummer, but a key element of sound in and of itself (on purpose or by mistake). I think Mysticum, with the techno style bass drum on the first track of In The Streams of Inferno, is a case in point. But it's a free hemisphere, and in this particular case I think everyone is entitled to their opinion.


Title: Re: PLAYLIST with COMMENTS/REVIEWS
Post by: Zeno Marx on June 12, 2016, 09:32:12 PM
Obviously Venom, Celtic Frost, Hellhammer etc all have a couple of nice songs
heavy statement


Title: Re: PLAYLIST with COMMENTS/REVIEWS
Post by: Force Neurotic on June 13, 2016, 01:47:58 AM
Obviously Venom, Celtic Frost, Hellhammer etc all have a couple of nice songs
heavy statement

Best quote I've heard all day.

Oi binge-

Condemned '84 "The Boots Go Marching In" - Timeless classic that manages to appeal to the bonehead crowd and "traditional" skins, while still riling up the left-wing sort that are really just punks with shaved heads. Heavy guitar sound with catchy riffs and no filler. How could you dislike this?

Combat '84 "Orders Of The Day" - Compilation with as far as I know, all their recordings up to a point. Again, like the above, heavy yet catchy and melodic. Also another band that seems to stir up controversy with each mention. I'd heard Chris Martin was on the right side of the spectrum, but the guy died in southeast Asia from drug-related health problems. "Interesting" discrepancy there, but they kicked ass nonetheless. I once put on "Rapist" and "Right To Choose" at a punk party and found out that punks can be realllllyyy touchy about song lyrics!

The Last Resort "A Way Of Life: Skinhead Anthems" - Another compilation of all this band's stuff through I think the late '80's. Sloppy, yet charming, with riffs that tend to be perfect every time, and a drumming style not heard enough in Oi; simple old-school punk beats but fucking hard-hitting. Roi's vocals are a bit drunken-sounding at times, but he sounds goddamned furious, and when he doesn't, utterly triumphant. Who wants to start a band with me that sounds like The Last Resort meets Hellhammer??

4-Skins were one of my favorite bands as an underage idiot, but now I'm realizing I only like the recordings with Gary Hodges on vocals - intense and aggressive as a Dr. Marten in your crotch. "Evil" has got to be one of the best Oi/Punk/Hardcore songs ever. The other stuff just sounds really cockney and is the sort of thing that liberal punks might use as an example of why they dislike Oi besides the fact that they're pussies. Oh well, at least some of the tunes have endured.

Iron Cross "Hated And Proud" - What can you say? The USA's foremost Oi band, and one of the first skinhead bands I ever got into. I like the fact that they used a distortion pedal on the guitar, using the melodies of English-style punk/Oi with the nastiness of US hardcore. Good shit if you're like me and want a little sloppiness in your hard music. I'm a big Agnostic Front fan, but they never did a version of "Crucified" that matched up to the original, and "Fight 'Em All" is another one of the top ten best Oi songs around. Apparently they have more recent recordings and still play live, but I'm way out of the loop on that.

Oh, and FUCK Vanity!! Any "Oi" that's praised in Vice magazine...well, let's just say that any skinhead knows better. Sounds like paint-by-numbers old-school punk with one of those retarded powerviolence "caveman" vocalists. "You can fuck right off!" I will, then, and go listen to some better shit with my beer, thanks. This is the kind of shit SHARPS listen to.


Title: Re: PLAYLIST with COMMENTS/REVIEWS
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on June 13, 2016, 01:58:59 AM
I've come to the conclusion that all Black Metal bands should have drum machines instead of real drummers. Drum machines sound better. You can do more with them. You don't have to bother with big, bulky crap on stage. Human drummers suck. What's next is to get synthesisers to sound like distorted guitars then you can ditch the last relics of rock and roll and have Black Metal as the completely non-human noise it was always supposed to be
Controversial opinion! Would have to strongly disagree with you -

Yea, I know, and that's cool. I wouldn't expect it to happen. I just like obscene extremes. Still, Striborg managed to sound very rough around the edges with a drum machine. Leviathan managed to make it work, too. And I always thought it redundant that Ildjarn bothered to use real drums when the end result was pretty much as mechanical as it could sound.


Title: Re: PLAYLIST with COMMENTS/REVIEWS
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on June 13, 2016, 02:43:48 AM
A  mummified prog rock and goth rock project wrapped in black metal bandages.

Hm, maybe, although you make it sound like Cradle Of Filth there. I can understand that view, I suppose Lurker Of Chalice did take his less traditional BM moments into fullness. But I'd still class Leviathan as Black Metal. He could kick out the jams and fucking blast when he wanted to.

I'd say with Ildjarn's drum sound it's how it's recorded. Through a tin can and string directly into a four track who's heads are never cleaned. That's not a complaint.



Title: Re: PLAYLIST with COMMENTS/REVIEWS
Post by: Fluid Fetish on June 14, 2016, 12:51:00 AM
I guess it depends on your definition of black metal, for me 80's and early 90's style is the only true way. Might be confusing electric drum pads for drum machine on Mors Summa - not too keen on that style of bm anyway. Mysticum could be above average if they didn't have drum machine - I was waiting for the man that programmed them to get bored and add clapping hands or barking dog effect in there - far too close to dance music drums for me. Pushing a little button hundreds of times is a very poor substitute for hitting a full drum kit and playing with a band.
I have never had more than a passing interest in the 80s stuff. Obviously Venom, Celtic Frost, Hellhammer etc all have a couple of nice songs, but my interest in black metal has nothing to do with them and never had. If I want old rock music I'll go with Maiden or UFO. ;) Even in the mid-90s, when I was so tRuE that I couldn't even listen to stuff like King Diamond without finding it "like extremely gay", I still never had a problem with synthesizers or drum machines. That being said, I think "drum machine black metal" and black metal with live drummers are sort of different animals altogether. I could list a long row of demos that sound great precisely due to the shitty drum machine, where a real drummer would have added nothing and made stuff much blander. Then again, obviously many albums would have been terrible with a drum machine.

The key is that the drum machine shouldn't just be a substitute for the drummer, but a key element of sound in and of itself (on purpose or by mistake). I think Mysticum, with the techno style bass drum on the first track of In The Streams of Inferno, is a case in point. But it's a free hemisphere, and in this particular case I think everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Wow, some controversial opinions here indeed haha. Mysticum, the band that literally founded industrial-black metal as a sub-subgenre "could be above average if they didn't have a drum machine".  Definitely have to disagree with this one as part of the charm/importance of these types of bands using a drum machine is to achieve a cold/mechanical/rhythmic sound in my opinion, although I know the techno beat percussion sound is cheesy or shitty sounding to a lot of people out there but I like it. You also have a genius band like Diapsiquir that uses drum machines and real drums, on VIRUS STN especially and sometimes in the same song.

80's black metal has a few good songs? Being too true in the 90's to listen to King Diamond?! Yikes....also:

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"I don't really care at all for the "inhuman" element, and these days I generally like the "Ukranian-nazi-in-full-battle-armour" type far more than "bitter scandinavian singing about his broken heart and how he hates everyone" type.

Nothing personal at all, but this has to be one of the most silly and shallow assessments of black metal I've ever heard. Agreed that most black metal is silly but when I read this I actually laughed.

Diapsiquir is my favorite industrial black metal band easily, but Blacklodge, Neo Inferno 262, some Cloak of Altering, Reptile Womb/Below, Diabolicum all play the style very, very well.

Ildjarn also didn't always use real drums, on the Ildjarn/Nidhogg split LP most if not all the songs are definitely a drum machine and it still works perfectly, easily my favorite Ildjarn other then the demos and the first self titled LP.


Title: Re: PLAYLIST with COMMENTS/REVIEWS
Post by: Dr Alex on June 14, 2016, 09:45:22 AM
Open new topic please!!!


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on June 14, 2016, 11:14:55 AM
I have edited the messages from playlist topic under this thread.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on June 14, 2016, 11:58:19 AM
What's next is to get synthesisers to sound like distorted guitars then you can ditch the last relics of rock and roll and have Black Metal as the completely non-human noise it was always supposed to be.

Not sure if it's accurate to expect that non-human would mean "machine" or "virtual"?
I'd rather see if relics of rock'n'roll is abandoned, it is rather in favor of bestial or spiritual.

My strong assumption is that there has been very very few who have come to conclusion that elevation of BM happens when approaching virtual and synthetic sound.

When I saw Mysticum live, I couldn't really watch entire set. It was fine, and they did take the performance to logical extreme. Stage stripped from ALL gear. Guitars went straight to mixer. No rock'n'roll amplifiers on stage. Just cold thin effect pedal sound in line. No drum sets (obviously). Just guys standing on empty stage with non-stop bombardment of excessive strobo lights.

I've never been fan of industrial music on the side of matrix outfits and techno lightshows. I've always hoped that one day, there will be black metal & industrial fusion, what doesn't sound like dark funeral meets Ministry, but Darkthrone meets Ramleh. For example, think of Con-Dom's JESUS PENIS with transilvanian hunger type drumming?
Till now, most attemps to fusion BM & noise takes the easiest and shallowest elements of both. Instruments from BM, but no riffs, structures or atmosphere. Sound quality and distortion from noise, but no innovation or interesting solutions.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on June 14, 2016, 12:22:43 PM
What's next is to get synthesisers to sound like distorted guitars then you can ditch the last relics of rock and roll and have Black Metal as the completely non-human noise it was always supposed to be.

Not sure if it's accurate to expect that non-human would mean "machine" or "virtual"?
I'd rather see if relics of rock'n'roll is abandoned, it is rather in favor of bestial or spiritual.

Non-human - something that gives the impression that it doesn't come from us (humans) for us (same).

The problem being that we only have human perception. We're trapped in it. So I like an aesthetic that at least pretends, gives some impression of something that isn't normal humanity. Anything we do will be human, that's the curse we bare.

The bestial or spiritual, fine, but "spiritual" to me is definitely a human construct. By people, for people. That stated, I'm all for a spiritualism that regards us as incidental. That's why I dig the whole "anti cosmic" concept, even though it's a bit too tainted with religion. See also Eugene Thacker's concepts of "cosmic pessimism" and "world-without-us".

Bestial? Bit too close to home. We're animals. We've got instincts like all the other stupid creatures. Give a wolf enough intelligence and it'll start shaving and playing the stock market. Animals aren't that important unless you're eating them.

My strong assumption is that there has been very very few who have come to conclusion that elevation of BM happens when approaching virtual and synthetic sound.

Very likely. I'm not interested in the "elevation of BM", I just like what I like. I don't expect anyone to want what I want. For the most part I'm into the usual Black Metal stuff, of it's own it's great. I just like the possibilities of pushing it, perhaps not up, but sideways into a different direction.

I'll probably never see Mysticum live, all I've got to go on is the recordings. Fine by me. I've been wondering about the possibility of bands just plugging their gear straight into the pa. You'd need a fuck-off pa for that, and a good amount of time at the soundcheck to get the sound right. I applaud their guts at getting rid of gear, but a live situation is different. Still, I think a drum machine could be a good replacement for a real drum kit.

The whole "industrial metal" thing really has trapped a lot of possibility of doing more with a drum machine in metal. Too much predictability within that catagory. Which is fine for the fans, but from my perspective, not much.

Does Blut Aus Nord play live? Anyone ever see them? Are they any good?


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: AXNAAR on June 14, 2016, 02:43:53 PM
Just listened to as much as I could take of the new Master's Hammer album - this to me is the problem with taking a side-step from something that is already done well and does not need improving on - the album is a disaster to me but all of the elements are there that should make this a good one, great vocalist, good interesting riffs - just ruined by the wrong kind of experimentation. There is nothing wrong with the old style of MH so why make a useless dance music inspired Black Metal album? It does nothing to improve the genre, just get's people asking "why??" a shame that a legendary band like this would make such a mistake - they should take lessons from Mortuary Drape who remain vital album after album.


I've never been fan of industrial music on the side of matrix outfits and techno lightshows. I've always hoped that one day, there will be black metal & industrial fusion, what doesn't sound like dark funeral meets Ministry, but Darkthrone meets Ramleh. For example, think of Con-Dom's JESUS PENIS with transilvanian hunger type drumming?
Till now, most attemps to fusion BM & noise takes the easiest and shallowest elements of both. Instruments from BM, but no riffs, structures or atmosphere. Sound quality and distortion from noise, but no innovation or interesting solutions.

It's a tricky one - Matrix looking industrial is certainly not the right path and anything that sounds like dance music cannot be taken seriously as True Blackened Art. Mikko, your vision is so strong of this Darkthrone/Ramleh blend that you may have to be the man to do it - I would definitely be interested in hearing it.

My own activities blending BM with noise have involved primitive noise and primitive Ildjarn style black metal. Minimal composition, basic Oi! riffs, simple thud for drums. No pioneering or advancement for the genre, the opposite infact, a regression back to a level of base filth - but could it ever actually be considered Black Metal with so much outside influence? Simply saying Legion Blotan or Filth&Violence seem as fitting a tag for the material as anything else.

I don't really get this theory of dehumanizing as being at the essence of Black Metal - surely nature/death/human instinct/strength of spirit and will are at the heart of Black Metal?


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on June 14, 2016, 03:05:30 PM
surely nature/death/human instinct/strength of spirit and will are at the heart of Black Metal?

A strain of it, I'm afraid. I can leave it. Let Death swallow nature, human instinct, strength of spirit and the rest of it. It will anyway. Might as well praise it.


Title: Re: PLAYLIST with COMMENTS/REVIEWS
Post by: Goat93 on June 14, 2016, 03:21:42 PM

Mysticum, the band that literally founded industrial-black metal as a sub-subgenre


Actually Maschinenzimmer 412 claimed this already 1995 on their In Nomine dei Nostri CD (1995 on CMI)
Since i like the whole Mysticum Stuff a Lot, it isn't too much "Industrial", mostly uses Techno Music Influences instead of Industrial / Noise Elements.

I think Ildjarn fits as Merge between Black Metal and Noise.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: F_c_O on June 14, 2016, 04:45:47 PM
I don't think that one can codify black metal as a one simple ideology. Even the early 90s norwegian scenes bands seemingly had all different take on the subject, with euronomoys even publically supporting communism (well, at least the totalitarian form of stalin, pol pot and others).

As for the subject of drum machines, I'd agree that they should be major thematic element in the music, where they actually support the music and aren't simply cheap replacement for real drummer. In general, I cannot stand when any form of rock or metal sounds too well played, stable or over-produced. Worst of course are djent where the drummer sounds exactly like a drum machine, at which point I ask myself, why the fuck bother except for the bragging rights? To me the lofi, less technical material is much more preferable, where bands like vetala, black cilice and others have given the goods in recent years. To me those are much more succesfull at being noise/black metal than any half-assed attempt at forcing the two together. In general, I myself find the studio produced, shiny, colour painted cover artwork black metal about as abhorrent thing that one can get and in a way, complete antithesis to me what black metal is and was.


Title: Re: PLAYLIST with COMMENTS/REVIEWS
Post by: Fluid Fetish on June 14, 2016, 10:33:17 PM

Mysticum, the band that literally founded industrial-black metal as a sub-subgenre


Actually Maschinenzimmer 412 claimed this already 1995 on their In Nomine dei Nostri CD (1995 on CMI)
Since i like the whole Mysticum Stuff a Lot, it isn't too much "Industrial", mostly uses Techno Music Influences instead of Industrial / Noise Elements.

I think Ildjarn fits as Merge between Black Metal and Noise.

I stand corrected, you are right sir. I forgot they had the self described "Swedish Black Industrial" tag, even written on the spine of most of the albums, and In Nomine dei Nostri came out a year before In the Streams.

I think maybe that's where there is a descrepancy here a bit, I think there is a vast difference between most Industrial Black Metal like Mysticum and Diabolicum who use the techno music influences whereas you have bands like Gonkulator, Black Mass of Absu, Flooded Church of Asmodeus, the Bizarre Uproar/RfR split, Ritual Violence and Ride for Revenge by themselves that I think actually blend blend noise and black metal perfectly and none of these bands give me a Marilyn Manson, mallgothy Matrix vibe like most modern industrial does.

Mikko is definitely the man to do the Ramleh/Darkthrone blend if anyone is...


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Yrjö-Koskinen on June 14, 2016, 10:41:41 PM
80's black metal has a few good songs? Being too true in the 90's to listen to King Diamond?! Yikes....
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Nothing personal at all, but this has to be one of the most silly and shallow assessments of black metal I've ever heard. Agreed that most black metal is silly but when I read this I actually laughed.

To quote another black metal, or black something, musician, Sizzla: Nah apologize!

Don't like the 80s stuff, never did. Originally because it felt like rockstar/shock rock and lacked ideology, now probably more because I never got into it, and hence have no nostalgic feelings for it. The fact that I listened only to black metal (+ the usual range of Cold Meat, ambient and side project industrial stuff that was deemed ok for some reason) during part of my teens is a little difficult to grasp for me as well, but I'm sure I had perfectly legitimate reasons.

I had no intention to assess black metal as a genre, just give two major examples of forms of it that I enjoy/do not enjoy. I've been into the genre for a bit more than 20 years, for a brief but formative period absurdly so, so I get to say whatever stupid things I want. On a less bantering note, I could develop both statements and make them a bit less "shallow," but I think perhaps the thread has moved on?

Regarding Mysticum/MZ-412 I would like to remind you that the Wintermass demo was released in 1993. What that means for Mysticum's status as subgenre founders I don't know, but soundwise it's pretty close to In the streams..., only rawer. Judge for yourselves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxE8cwCCab8


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on June 14, 2016, 10:54:12 PM
80's black metal has a few good songs? Being too true in the 90's to listen to King Diamond?! Yikes....
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Nothing personal at all, but this has to be one of the most silly and shallow assessments of black metal I've ever heard. Agreed that most black metal is silly but when I read this I actually laughed.

To quote another black metal, or black something, musician, Sizzla: Nah apologize!

Don't like the 80s stuff, never did. Originally because it felt like rockstar/shock rock and lacked ideology, now probably more because I never got into it, and hence have no nostalgic feelings for it. The fact that I listened only to black metal (+ the usual range of Cold Meat, ambient and side project industrial stuff that was deemed ok for some reason) during part of my teens is a little difficult to grasp for me as well, but I'm sure I had perfectly legitimate reasons.

I had no intention to assess black metal as a genre, just give two major examples of forms of it that I enjoy/do not enjoy. I've been into the genre for a bit more than 20 years, for a brief but formative period absurdly so, so I get to say whatever stupid things I want. On a less bantering note, I could develop both statements and make them a bit less "shallow," but I think perhaps the thread has moved on?

Regarding Mysticum/MZ-412 I would like to remind you that the Wintermass demo was released in 1993. What that means for Mysticum's status as subgenre founders I don't know, but soundwise it's pretty close to In the streams..., only rawer. Judge for yourselves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxE8cwCCab8

HA! So maybe I was right, odd as I thought I remember all the Mysticum demos were recorded with an ACTUAL drummer but this proves that incorrect as that is definitely a drum machine there.

Also I know your comments were not a grand assessment of the genre as a whole, you can still say whatever stupid things you want no matter how long you've been listening to any genre I'd like to think, or I don't mind anyway haha, I just kind of get a kick some times out of how people deduce or describe all these different styles, aesthetics, 'trends' or whatever you want to call them or even the black metal genre as a whole. "Suburban White Kid's Version of Gangster  Rap" was one of the most memorable and amusing descriptions I've heard from someone in regard to the genre.

Thread seems to have moved on indeed so I'll shut up now.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on June 14, 2016, 10:57:36 PM
And I'm being facetious here so don't take me too seriously but...how can you be into 90's black metal but not be into Bathory at least!??!


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Yrjö-Koskinen on June 14, 2016, 11:08:14 PM
And I'm being facetious here so don't take me too seriously but...how can you be into 90's black metal but not be into Bathory at least!??!
In the case of Bathory it's more a pure case of just never getting into it - me and my very suburban crew of gangsters didn't really care about the older generation of "metalheads", so we missed Bathory in the process and didn't really check it out until it was a bit late. I do like it when I hear it, though, so I guess my attempt to be cool and dismiss all 80s BM just turned out to be largely empty bluster. A far more intense fact: I didn't actually hear De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas until about 2002, or perhaps even later! Why that was, I really don't know, since it was released right when I was getting heavily into the genre.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: tiny_tove on June 15, 2016, 09:54:10 AM
I have grown up with early BM and proto BM (hellhammer, celtic frost, venom, bathory, coroner, poison (the German ones), mayhem, etc.) I was lucky enough to witness most of them live back in the days and they definitely delivered the good, both aesthetically and musically. there was a strong punk attitude, but in black.

Bathory wrote the template of what was turned perfect by Scandinavian project a decade later. But as usual, tastes are individual.
For example, I have been in love with Mayhem since Deathcrush, but did not enjoy Attila's voice on "De mysteris" (yet a classic album, with perfect sounds). I have never been too keen on many other big names (Most satyricon, Immortal and Ulver never did for me).


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on June 15, 2016, 02:39:55 PM
Interesting, Marco, I was listening to "De Mysteriis" just the other day and thinking the same thing about Attila's vocals. The man just tries too hard. Musically, though, that album in untouchable. Definite Death Metal roots but with that right touch of darkness and innovation that spawned the Norwegian plague.

I grew up buying a lot of those Bathory and Celtic Frost albums when they were coming out so with complete bias I'd point to those two bands in particular as shaping the classic BM sound. Funny thing is, Quorthon hated Celtic Frost and Hellhammer, but at the time everyone fucking hated Hellhammer, it was the thing to do. The number of zines I read that name-checked Hellhammer as the byword in bad production and crap music. Stupid cunts. Anyway, those first three Bathory albums laid down the fucking law. Couldn't believe it when he started wanting to be Manowar instead of wanting to be Venom (for all his crap in interviews there is no way Bathory was not inspired by Venom. I recall in an interview in "Kerrang" he refused point blank to talk about Venom. This was after the "Under The Sign..." album).

Still, I can relate to someone who doesn't relate to those bands. I got into Metal via Iron Maiden and Judas Priest. At no stage have I ever given a fuck about Deep Purple or Led Zepplin or any of that "proto-metal" crap with the exception of Black Sabbath, who it took me a while to get anyway. Maybe some of those earlier rocknroll bands I can appreciate now but I don't think everyone has to trace their lineage back to fucking Bill Haley and the rest to appreciate what's being released now.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Goat93 on June 15, 2016, 08:53:40 PM
Regarding Mysticum/MZ-412 I would like to remind you that the Wintermass demo was released in 1993. What that means for Mysticum's status as subgenre founders I don't know, but soundwise it's pretty close to In the streams..., only rawer. Judge for yourselves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxE8cwCCab8

Yeah and Mz released first Album 1989, but i talk about the Subgenre "Industrial Black Metal", the Moniker came up with Mz412, when they make a real Crossover with Dark Funeral ( In Nomine Album). In truth, there were several Bands who sounds "Noisy" or "Industrial" all the Time, since the Black Metal Wave starts. Remember Impaled Nazarene uses already in 1993 Industrial Cyber SadoMaso Punk as Moniker. Beherit, Bestial Summoning, Profanatica/Havohej, Ildjarn....




Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: LIFE on June 15, 2016, 10:42:43 PM
Is somebody going to create powerful music when they're more concerned with how the keyboards reflect some kind of superficial message? Probably not. It might not even be unique. You look at some of the iconoclasts of black metal or really any style of music and they were able to completely redefine the boundaries of the genre with the same tools as everybody else, and they were able to innovate while staying "pure".

As far as digital and inhuman elements go, you can listen at the Graveland "In the Glare..." demo and it's some of the best primitive metal ever made, yet I found out many years later that all of the keyboards were recorded using an old Amiga computer. So here early 90s Graveland is thought of as definitive "organic" black metal, yet they used a computer. And then you turn around and there are bands who created very clear, artificial sounding recordings who probably didn't use any computers.

At the end of the day it's the character of the music that defines it, not what is used to make it.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on June 16, 2016, 12:11:53 AM
Quorthon always seemed like a prissy bitch to me, I love Bathory, the first five albums are some of my favorite music ever, but it's pretty funny to read how uptight he used to get in old interviews when Celtic Frost or especially Venom were brought up. I love the infamous story of Dead meeting him and being utterly dismayed at how much of a 'normal' and boring guy he was. Apparently Dead also left a demo of December Moon with a crucified rat in the Black Mark office and was told to permanently stay the fuck away after that haha. Or who could forget Tom G. Warrior and his anti-Hellhammer rants about how embarassed he was by it etc. etc. and then years later, "I'll write an entire book about Hellhammer now since everyone has decided my music didn't suck when I was a 16 year old virgin!". Fuck off you drama queen. At least the book was good.

Some of you are very lucky to have grown up during these bands being in their prime, I was a little kid in the 80's.

Amiga or not, In the Glare of Burning Churches sounds like it was recorded in another world and that's all that matters. The drumming literally sounds like pagan war drums.

Also on the recently created official Vordb page where Wlad from Vlad Tepes often posts, both (supposedly it's them at least) admitted to using computer effects or some PC effects on some of the old LLN experimental recordings even and that is some of the most underground, unique and atmospheric music ever created.

Like LIFE said, it's all just a means to an end, essence over form.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on June 16, 2016, 04:20:27 AM
In fact I have a lot of respect for the zero tolerance Black Metal purists. I think it's great that there are people out there who just don't want any additional bullshit to their favourite music and are so aggressive about it. Mainly because I hate the Pitchfork/Quietus/etc. cunts who only review BM albums if they don't sound like BM. The kind of people who wank about "progression" and "innovation", as if those things are essential to everything you're meant to listen to. For me, it's a breath of stale air that there are those who want to keep things pure and unchanged.

If it comes down to a choice between some young, pretty hipster who's band "sort of started off as Black Metal but we think we're going beyond that", and some grimly corpse-painted intolerant fucker in a forest saying "kill everything for Satan!", I know who's flag I'd rather fight under. But outside of that choice, I'll fly and fight under my own.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: tiny_tove on June 16, 2016, 10:15:09 AM
Interesting, Marco, I was listening to "De Mysteriis" just the other day and thinking the same thing about Attila's vocals. The man just tries too hard. Musically, though, that album in untouchable. Definite Death Metal roots but with that right touch of darkness and innovation that spawned the Norwegian plague.

I grew up buying a lot of those Bathory and Celtic Frost albums when they were coming out so with complete bias I'd point to those two bands in particular as shaping the classic BM sound. Funny thing is, Quorthon hated Celtic Frost and Hellhammer, but at the time everyone fucking hated Hellhammer, it was the thing to do. The number of zines I read that name-checked Hellhammer as the byword in bad production and crap music. Stupid cunts. Anyway, those first three Bathory albums laid down the fucking law. Couldn't believe it when he started wanting to be Manowar instead of wanting to be Venom (for all his crap in interviews there is no way Bathory was not inspired by Venom. I recall in an interview in "Kerrang" he refused point blank to talk about Venom. This was after the "Under The Sign..." album).

Still, I can relate to someone who doesn't relate to those bands. I got into Metal via Iron Maiden and Judas Priest. At no stage have I ever given a fuck about Deep Purple or Led Zepplin or any of that "proto-metal" crap with the exception of Black Sabbath, who it took me a while to get anyway. Maybe some of those earlier rocknroll bands I can appreciate now but I don't think everyone has to trace their lineage back to fucking Bill Haley and the rest to appreciate what's being released now.

you somehow described my ,life history eheh

hellhammer/celtic frost where big here, also due to geographic reasons. the way they shaped their sound/aesthetic left a big mark on everybody.
we often traveled at Martin Ain's shop in Zurich where you could get lots of underground stuff, etc.
I loved bathory in any of their incarnation (although my fave is Under the sign... that put the template of things to come).
I have strong respect for Attila, Tormentor's demo were classic in tape trading, but in de mysteris had somehow a weird tone, especially considering I knew those songs from Dead's version, which was just perfection. But I still consider that a milestone with some of the best riffing ever.



Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Galactic Plagve on June 16, 2016, 12:39:51 PM
In fact I have a lot of respect for the zero tolerance Black Metal purists... it's a breath of stale air that there are those who want to keep things pure and unchanged.

If it comes down to a choice between some young, pretty hipster who's band "sort of started off as Black Metal but we think we're going beyond that", and some grimly corpse-painted intolerant fucker in a forest saying "kill everything for Satan!", I know who's flag I'd rather fight under. But outside of that choice, I'll fly and fight under my own.

Concurred!

There's a YT channel called 'Hipster Black Metal' that has been trolling the likes of Myrkur, Deafheaven and Liturgy which is getting noticed by the crowds at Noisey, Quietus etc. Especially since Mykur announced to her entire Facebook following that she had to remove the messaging feature from her account due to the hate mail and death threats she'd been receiving. Needless so say it's all been quite amusing to see these cuddly little hipster types with their pleas for tolerance and diversity being met with the unrelenting vitriol and hatred of the BM underground.

Also, to these ears at least, the s/t Thorns album is a good example of Black Metal incorporating Industrial elements. The production on the drum sound makes them sound programmed and the cold, mechanical riffs, together with the raspy vocals lend a definite mechanical feel to the album.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on June 17, 2016, 03:41:22 AM
I had no opinion on Mykur until I looked at the videos on that Hipster Black Metal channel. Fucking hell. Surely she's the one trolling?


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Galactic Plagve on June 17, 2016, 10:53:30 AM
I had no opinion on Mykur until I looked at the videos on that Hipster Black Metal channel. Fucking hell. Surely she's the one trolling?

Aye, it's fucking horrible! The "future of Black Metal" according to Relapse.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Leewar on June 17, 2016, 07:33:00 PM
I have to go for Niden div.187 as nailing industrial black metal, not that they even labelled it as that, but it sounds way more 'industrial' then just Bm with a drum machine. Swarm of bee's guitar sound, drums that dont really sound like drums, inhuman vocals.. a really bleak and hateful album.

Oh and Diabolicum's track with Survival unit.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: bitewerksMTB on June 17, 2016, 08:05:42 PM
http://zealandardor.bandcamp.com/track/in-ashes


"burn the young boy burn him good
so the flame can rise
burn the young boy burn him good
so the fire can burn
burn the young boy burn him good"


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: calaverasgrande on June 23, 2016, 06:42:12 AM
I mean not exactly Black Metal but I think Mortician totally settles the argument.
You can sound like shit with a shitty drum machine that is programmed to sound like an asshat drummer.
And be amazing.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on June 24, 2016, 09:56:50 PM
http://zealandardor.bandcamp.com/track/in-ashes


"burn the young boy burn him good
so the flame can rise
burn the young boy burn him good
so the fire can burn
burn the young boy burn him good"

Wow, this is beyond fucking awful. Thanks for sharing haha.

Also Mortician is fantastic! Total mongoloid cave man horror metal! The old stuff is definitely so shitty that it's good. The drum machine is part of their trademark I'm aware but if ever given the chance check out the Mortician live album with an actual drummer, it almost sounds like another band, in a very good and sloppy way.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: calaverasgrande on June 25, 2016, 05:43:30 AM
Yeah early Mortician makes me think of musty basements and people with only two friends.
Love that shit.
As far as Mykur.
What is that the fucking Enya of BM?
I swear Relapse is just nothing but shit for the last 10 years.
At least the last 10 years. Heck I probably only give them credit because I had a couple friends get with them.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: holy ghost on June 26, 2016, 12:40:22 AM
I'm pretty hard pressed to think of many black metal bands (in the "traditional, second wave") style that do anything for me in the last decade. Ill Omen for sure, but overall anything interesting is mixing in the sort of unhinged, chaotic vibe like Teitanblood, Antediluvian, Irkallian Oracle, Weregoat, etc (usually annoyingly classified as bestial, war or cavernous). I'm not interested in "progressive" black metal either because well, that just has no appeal to me. Basically I'm sticking with the classics and the odd new thing I hear that strikes my fancy. But anything that sounds like a fourth rate Emperor or Burzum clone in 2016 can eat it. Although total respect to the classics themselves and anyone rocking a band that sounds like Bathory, Kreator, Sodom or Hellhammer. Like fuckin' Deathhammer. That band totally gets it.

I'm probably more put out by the keyboard black metal elitists, most of whom are probably under 23. I'm basically sick of hearing about hipsters, falses, social justice warriors, women, vegans, Americans, people who wear hats, people who wear sneakers, etc. The 90's was not some "safe space" from the likes of outsiders even though the "stomp the faces of posers" elite romanticize it that way. Basically I'm sick of complaining and hearing people complain about things that have no bearing on their lives. See and look I'm complaining about complaining!! You can't win. Well I'm off to live in a hut in the woods..... Goodbye forever......


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on June 26, 2016, 10:13:33 PM
I'm pretty hard pressed to think of many black metal bands (in the "traditional, second wave") style that do anything for me in the last decade. Ill Omen for sure, but overall anything interesting is mixing in the sort of unhinged, chaotic vibe like Teitanblood, Antediluvian, Irkallian Oracle, Weregoat, etc (usually annoyingly classified as bestial, war or cavernous). I'm not interested in "progressive" black metal either because well, that just has no appeal to me. Basically I'm sticking with the classics and the odd new thing I hear that strikes my fancy. But anything that sounds like a fourth rate Emperor or Burzum clone in 2016 can eat it. Although total respect to the classics themselves and anyone rocking a band that sounds like Bathory, Kreator, Sodom or Hellhammer. Like fuckin' Deathhammer. That band totally gets it.

I'm probably more put out by the keyboard black metal elitists, most of whom are probably under 23. I'm basically sick of hearing about hipsters, falses, social justice warriors, women, vegans, Americans, people who wear hats, people who wear sneakers, etc. The 90's was not some "safe space" from the likes of outsiders even though the "stomp the faces of posers" elite romanticize it that way. Basically I'm sick of complaining and hearing people complain about things that have no bearing on their lives. See and look I'm complaining about complaining!! You can't win. Well I'm off to live in a hut in the woods..... Goodbye forever......

Your mostly right, bands that typically try to capture the second wave feeling typically do nothing for me, the late 90's early 2000's were the fucking worst period for this style of black metal where it seems like everyone decided to ditch the shitty vampiric goth trend and then jumped back on the darkthrone/burzum clone wagon...until Watain and Funeral Mist came along. Kind of fascinating how there is an ebb and flow to styles, artistic approaches, or 'trends' as most keyboard warriors call it.

Having said that, and as interesting as it can be in a way, it doesn't bother me at all though. In fact, a small part of me smiles whenever I see people get upset or get all riled up about the things you mentioned like sjws, vegans, Watain, Americans, hipsters or whatever. Also I'm glad that being American and being interested in black metal by default pisses people off, since I am a Yank myself, and especially considering the genre was partially born here with Von, Profanatica, Necrovore and Absu making it all the more pathetic. It shows that most people involved in subculture and especially metal subculture, are actually sheltered, comfortable, spoiled little pigs with too much free time on their hands who actually enjoy whining, complaining, and spouting bullshit on the internet to feed their egos more then genuinely exploring or listening to music. Sounds like an exact mirror of mainstream society with an emphasis on whining, style and superficial bullshit over substance, dignity, and fanaticism.

 It has absolutely no affect or baring on my life as I try to survive day to day other then reminding me that there are people out there who do nothing with their lives/free time other then consume, bitch, and sit on their computers which is reassuring to me that people are exactly what I expect them to be, worthless and banal.

Back on topic, there are a few bands still playing in the second wave style that I think are worth noting that play black metal in the Scandinavian/French/Greek/90's Finnish style like Satanic Warmaster, all the Ancient Records bands, Void Meditation Cult, Necromantic Worship, all the Black Circle bands from Portugal, Funeral Mist, Cultes Des Ghoules, Panphage, Katharsis (apparently dead now)etc. There is always exceptions.



Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: calaverasgrande on June 26, 2016, 10:28:14 PM
haha yeah, after I quit drinking (for the 3rd time, for reals this time!) I got super bored of the whole extreme metal scene. When you are sober-ish everyone seems a lot less 'Metal' and a lot more like grown men and women acting like insecure juvenile delinquent teens.
Especially the whole sub-genre elitism. 
I get it, I really do not like whole acres of music. But in metal it's not enough, you have to denounce and say all kinds of movie scripted soundbites about the unpure false metalers.

Though to be fair, it is kind of lame how BM was this weird thing a lot of people found out about from Immortal's Wintermoon video. They dug deeper and were like, holy shit these Scandanavians are freaking amazing. A decade later and there are Eurovision bands and arena rock bands heavily choking on the BM phallus. Are they 'true' BM? Of course not, but you cannot deny that it is heavily co-opting the BM esthetic. Speaking as someone who was around to see a few other scenes get co-opted. It is a painful thing to have your obscure icky subculture pulled out into the sunlight of the global market and auctioned off. (though as a consolation, you probably have some very valuable 7" records now)
Nothing you can do but make music that is impossible to co-opt.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on June 29, 2016, 05:57:34 AM
AND ANOTHER THING - intros. Those fucking boring new age wanks or faux-darkwave wanks that too many bands put on too much of their albums. Fuck that. I can handle the ultra-minimal and ultra-bleak tones of Ildjarn's "Black Anger" tracks on "Strength And Anger", and for some reason I'm pretty tolerant of Striborg's blatant detours into that department, but apart from that, fuck 'em. They're annoying and unnecessary. Nox Inferni's "Adverse Spheres" could have been quite good if it didn't rely so heavily on keyboards.

Some bands may make it work if it's part of their overall aesthetic. Maybe. But for the most part I just skip the intros and go straight to the raw Black Metal. It's like having to scrape cup-cake frosting off a steak.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: calaverasgrande on June 30, 2016, 07:11:39 AM
I actually kind of like the horrible intros.
Some of them even sound like bad video game music.
It's a tactic as old as metal.
A pussy part with unicorns and faeries
followed by demons and dragons fucking in a volcano.
Some of them do much worse than others at this.
But hey the whole genre needs a salt shaker to stomach.
So much butthurt.
 


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on July 03, 2016, 10:53:45 PM
I actually kind of like the horrible intros.
Some of them even sound like bad video game music.
It's a tactic as old as metal.
A pussy part with unicorns and faeries
followed by demons and dragons fucking in a volcano.
Some of them do much worse than others at this.
But hey the whole genre needs a salt shaker to stomach.
So much butthurt.

Dungeon synth! A friend described the genre literally just as you mentioned, 'bad video game music'. I personally have a huge appreciation for the stuff though, plus some bands do pull off some amazing introductions that don't sound horrible. Teitanblood has the best interludes/intros ever. The intro to In the Glare of Burning Churches is perfect too.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: F_c_O on July 03, 2016, 10:56:37 PM
teitanblood has cool interludes but seven chalices had just too many of them. I enjoy that kind of music as non-stop full-force assault and for me, the interludes just broke up the flow I wanted from it.

In general, to me its not about the intro being technically competent but more that it fits with the rest of the music and actually seques into the metal itself, rather than just feeling tacked on. For example, Det Som Engan Var lp does this well where nothing feels out of place. Then there are some where I honestly just want to skip the bullshit and get to the good stuff.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on July 04, 2016, 01:01:28 AM
Teitenblood fucking rule but I always thought they were more musically classed as Death Metal rather than Black Metal. Anyway, they fucking rule. Yea, that kind of thing needs to be a full on assault that doesn't break up into little bits and pieces. Quite a few bands seem to do that. I'm just listening to Mortuus Lunae which I quite like (nothing brilliant but good) but there's a bit too much let's-stop-for-a-spooky-break for mine.

It does matter if it's in context. Stridborg manage to keep a whole atmosphere going, from production to actual music, to make it work if there is a spooky-break.

Dungeon Synth I couldn't give a rat's about. I never bothered with Mortiis, apart from bits and pieces on CMI comps. If you're going to play synth music, do it properly. Fenriz's Neptune Towers is too underrated. I read a description from some wanker saying that he just leaned on a keyboard for half an hour which could not be further from the truth. He manages to stay true to his influences on both those albums.

Synth in BM has always been problematic. Good symphonic BM is a bit rare to my ears. Lymbonic Art did it best. I think The Eye is a good project too.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: calaverasgrande on July 04, 2016, 04:47:40 AM
true story. I used to be this anti guitar solo fanatic. I would go through stuff like Reign in Blood and Ride the Lightning and edit out all the solos. Making a nice solo free version by recording it to cassette. Also allowed me to fit almost twice as many albums on a tape!  Drove my hesher friends crazy.
Maybe you could do the same for these BM bands that get up your ass with fairy magic forest interlude in E minor.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on July 04, 2016, 09:31:30 AM
I already do. Guitar solos can be pretty bloody annoying too, one of the things I like about BM is that they don't often indulge in such frett wanking. But taking the solos out of a classic like "Ride The Lightning", couldn't possibly think of going that far. The solo at the end of "Fade To Black" is a stone cold classic, fucking makes the song. A comparison between the brilliant guitaring of msrs Hammet, King and Hanneman at the height of their genre defining Thrash Metal powers and BM sub-par spooky-breaks is not one I would have made myself.

Been listening to a lot of WOLD lately. Like it a lot but if anyone else likes WOLD and hasn't seen that interview with them, don't. Bad enough that Pitchfork and The Quietus like them.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: l.b. on July 06, 2016, 06:18:52 PM
'First Spell' by Gehenna has guitar solos and super cheesy keyboards and a fruity little intro but i'd rather listen to that ep than any black metal from the 2000's.

edit:
Quote
WOLD ... interview
haha this rules


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: JuhoN on July 06, 2016, 11:47:13 PM
I think graveland has used drum machine in some albums. It sounds pretty good.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Duncan on July 07, 2016, 12:05:59 PM
Wold interview is great.  Doesn't seem vastly different to what you hear in lots of BM interviews.  Maybe they'd all seem cringey if they presented professionally filmed rather than in text.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: aububs on July 07, 2016, 01:11:25 PM
Maybe they'd all seem cringey if they presented professionally filmed rather than in text.


Doesn't help that he looks like Garth from Wayne's World.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: fetch the rope on July 09, 2016, 09:02:56 PM
I think graveland has used drum machine in some albums. It sounds pretty good.

All the albums after Immortal Pride (although even that one is questionable...) up to the latest split with Nokturnal Mortum have programmed drums. The NM split has real drums for the first time in almost 20 years.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on July 10, 2016, 12:26:34 AM
Teitenblood fucking rule but I always thought they were more musically classed as Death Metal rather than Black Metal. Anyway, they fucking rule. Yea, that kind of thing needs to be a full on assault that doesn't break up into little bits and pieces.

YES! I think in an interview he stated that he doesn't classify Teitanblood as a genre, it's 'where death and black metal meet' or something to that effect. I hear everything from Beherit and Blasphemy to Nuclear Death and Autopsy in their music so I think it's an apt description. Best extreme metal band currently active in my opinion. Death is a modern monument and a swift boot to the face of all the people whining about how metal isn't as good as it used to be.

Fenriz's Neptune Towers is too underrated. I read a description from some wanker saying that he just leaned on a keyboard for half an hour which could not be further from the truth. He manages to stay true to his influences on both those albums.

YES again! Underrated album. Not incredible, but perfect Eno/Tangerine Dream worship.

Also Graveland had Capricornus as a drummer up until Following the Voice of Blood at least and the band DEFINITELY lost something when he left. The guy's primitive, barely capable drumming fit the barbarism on the old Graveland albums perfectly. Incredible drumming, especially on Celtic Winter, In the Glare, Carpathian Wolves, and Thousand Swords. Fuck, such good black metal.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Yrjö-Koskinen on July 11, 2016, 12:09:13 AM
I second all that has been said about Neptune Towers. Both albums are spectacular.

When it comes to synth in BM I'd defend its use. The shittification of much late/post 90s black metal was never really about synth, but about overproduction. Triggered, or triggered sounding, drums, massive studio budgets (relatively speaking) and a complete lack of soul often coincide in latter day BM, which means it doesn't really matter if there's a ton of synth, or if it's just "pure" raw guitar/bass/dums/screams. It's still shock rock rather than BM. There's lots of old classic albums that use or even overuse synthesizers, with Emperor's 'In the Nightside Eclipse' being perhaps the most well known example of the latter. To me that album remains absolutely essential, and nothing is taken away by the whole production being swamped in synths to the point where the vocals are more or less eclipsed (see what I did there?).

There's a ton of bands that ripped this style off, more or less, to great effect. Abigor's Orkblut or early Abyssum (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLR51rjWpyw), are prime examples. And noone is allowed to hate on Abigor's Orkblut or early Abyssum!


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Zodiac on July 11, 2016, 07:49:05 AM
Nothing you can do but make music that is impossible to co-opt.

They call it NSBM.

And totally glad to see people who care for Neptune Towers. I did wait for years for that. Both are great albums.

About MZ.412 and Mysticum and tags. Surely, MZ.412 never talked about "Black Industrial METAL". So i dont think somebody
should mix these bands up on this matter.

People who are into the likes of Mysticum, Blacklodge, Diabolicum, etc. should check out french Helel.

I dont like proto-metal or proto-BM myself and i am totally fine with that. Into BM for like 20 years now. I dont care.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: NO PART OF IT on July 12, 2016, 09:04:31 AM
Lately I have been into a band from France called Nuit Noire.  Black metal with female vocals, with punk influences.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7WLv9OazGs


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on July 13, 2016, 02:37:48 AM
Kataxu- Hunger of Elements is another primary example of absolutely excellent and perfect utilization of synths. Not my favorite black metal album of all time by any means, but that opening song In My Dungeon....

Nuit Noire is really good, although I grew up listening to the demos so they in particular hold a special place for me. Black Form is one of the best blendings of black metal and punk ever recorded. The later albums are good, but the atmosphere of the tapes is absolutely untouched. Lots of nostalgia for me in old Nuit Noire.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Yrjö-Koskinen on July 13, 2016, 10:50:52 PM
Kataxu- Hunger of Elements is another primary example of absolutely excellent and perfect utilization of synths. Not my favorite black metal album of all time by any means, but that opening song In My Dungeon....

I agree. The synth use is undoubtedly "too much", but they make it work extremely well. Ukrainian Svarga has an album called "Символ волі" which to me has always been kind of a sibling to Hunger of the Elements. It has a similar synth utilization going on, though it's a bit more restrained in that department.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on July 14, 2016, 12:05:49 AM
Kataxu- Hunger of Elements is another primary example of absolutely excellent and perfect utilization of synths. Not my favorite black metal album of all time by any means, but that opening song In My Dungeon....

I agree. The synth use is undoubtedly "too much", but they make it work extremely well. Ukrainian Svarga has an album called "Символ волі" which to me has always been kind of a sibling to Hunger of the Elements. It has a similar synth utilization going on, though it's a bit more restrained in that department.

I definitely need to check out this Svarga album then, thanks for the recommendation!

Also I forgot to mention to NO PART OF IT, the singer for Nuit Noire is a guy haha...I think there is female back up singing but it's definitely the androgynous wailing of a dude.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: ritualabuser on July 14, 2016, 02:32:50 AM
Kataxu- Hunger of Elements is another primary example of absolutely excellent and perfect utilization of synths. Not my favorite black metal album of all time by any means, but that opening song In My Dungeon....

I agree. The synth use is undoubtedly "too much", but they make it work extremely well. Ukrainian Svarga has an album called "Символ волі" which to me has always been kind of a sibling to Hunger of the Elements. It has a similar synth utilization going on, though it's a bit more restrained in that department.

Just got a copy of Gontyna Kry's "Krew naszych ojców" and it reminded me of a cross between Kataxu and Veles, so I suppose it could be recommended alongside.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: NO PART OF IT on July 14, 2016, 11:09:13 AM
Kataxu- Hunger of Elements is another primary example of absolutely excellent and perfect utilization of synths. Not my favorite black metal album of all time by any means, but that opening song In My Dungeon....


Also I forgot to mention to NO PART OF IT, the singer for Nuit Noire is a guy haha...I think there is female back up singing but it's definitely the androgynous wailing of a dude.

Good to know! 


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on July 21, 2016, 04:28:27 AM
Borge's "III" album is pretty good. Two lengthy BM songs, one over twenty minutes that reminds me a lot of Striborg, and two long spooky breaks that actually work since whoever Borge is seems to understand dark ambience properly. If more bands/projects did it like that there wouldn't be a problem.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on August 02, 2016, 04:04:34 AM
I highly doubt it, but any members on this forum old Absurd fans? The demos, the SA version of Facta Loquuntur and Asgardsrei are probably my most listened to black metal these days. Never cared about the band until way later in life for some reason...maybe I couldn't appreciate the infantile genius of it all when I was younger myself? Later material is good as well but nothing touches the atmosphere and spirit of their old stuff.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: tiny_tove on August 02, 2016, 05:31:20 PM
I much prefer the most recent stuff with all the singalongs


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: MT on August 02, 2016, 05:43:18 PM
Facta Loquuntur is one of the best black metal albums ever. Also the lately released remastered version of In Ketten recording is fucking great!


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: holy ghost on August 02, 2016, 07:11:08 PM
I kind of forgot how incredibly great Cultes Des Ghoules are. I've jammed almost their entire discography today while cleaning my house and every bit of it is fucking solid. Haxan in particular, these records have thee sickest bass playing. It's all just a perfect blend of atmosphere, riffs, production and aesthetic.

Pseudogod - Deathwomb Catechesis is another one I really clicked with a few years ago.

Also Swallowed, more of a death/doom hybrid but hot damn this record is great.

Vassafor, aside from having the coolest choices of natural wood BC Rich guitars, can definitely rank out a damn near perfect record.

Weregoat too, really looking forward to the new full length.

Black metal transmission over/


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: radokaz on August 02, 2016, 08:17:57 PM
Pseudogod - Deathwomb Catechesis is another one I really clicked with a few years ago.
Weregoat too, really looking forward to the new full length.
these two for me too!

and I like all Amputator and Necroplasma a lot!


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Ashmonger on August 03, 2016, 11:59:45 AM
I like both old and new Absurd. Of the new bands I think that Totenlieder is the best, tracks like Der Hammer Zerschmettert Das Kreuz & Der Scharlachrote Tod absolutely make my blood boil.

Aside, I had been following quite some BM bands until recently, but the last 2 months or something, I feel a bit tired with it. Even though I still listen to a lot of Black Metal, but seem to stick more to known names or stuff that has been released about 10 years ago but never got around to listening back then.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on August 04, 2016, 02:21:42 AM
As usual you bastards all prove me wrong, but good to see you're all men of class and fine taste. You've all mentioned so many good bands.... In Ketten recording is indeed awesome, especially on vinyl format! I also love CdG, Spectres Over Transylvania and the split with Goat Tyrant are like Necromantia and Mortuary Drape taking a bunch of LSD and meth and fucking. The two albums are in a class of their own too, for me especially Henbane.

Also I'm seriously pleased to see someone mentioned Necroplasma, incredibly underrated band, the tracks on the X Corona Bestia Vox Vocis that aren't on anything else are some of the best black metal ever. If you like the CdG bass playing this band does it justice too, especially on My Hearse My Redemption.

Swallowed LP is one of my favorite records of all time, there is NO other band that sounds like how Swallowed does.

I need to check out Totenlieder, I'm only vaguely familiar with newer Absurd.



Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: tiny_tove on August 04, 2016, 08:07:55 AM
currently listening selvans - Clangores Plenilunio. Italo BM with a lot of traditional instruments.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Yrjö-Koskinen on August 21, 2016, 10:42:57 PM
I highly doubt it, but any members on this forum old Absurd fans? The demos, the SA version of Facta Loquuntur and Asgardsrei are probably my most listened to black metal these days. Never cared about the band until way later in life for some reason...maybe I couldn't appreciate the infantile genius of it all when I was younger myself? Later material is good as well but nothing touches the atmosphere and spirit of their old stuff.
Hidden in the archives of an old friend's tape collection, there's a recording of an 18yo or so me talking shit about Facta Luquuntur. As I developed a sort of hipster-ish relationship to "nationalist" european music, I started to get the point of Absurd as well, though, and since quite a few years I have a minor collection of CDs and vinyls. I think their later stuff also works, even though it has less of the whole Ed Wood black metal charm. Anyone into folk music, and hence awesome stuff like Heino, could and should appreciate Grimmige Volksmusik.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: F_c_O on August 21, 2016, 10:49:53 PM
Szron is fucking awesome. Nothing else needs to be said about them.

Also, finally got A Corpse, A Temple and Mysteries by Black Cilice on vinyl. Amazing stuff. One would hope that all bm would be of such high quality.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Deadpriest on August 21, 2016, 11:24:51 PM
I can't get enough of Cultes De Ghoules at the minute Or Deathspell Omega but their recent ep (which I just got on download) really doesn't feel that dark to me, dunno probably listening to it wrong or something.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: david lloyd jones on August 24, 2016, 08:04:50 PM
deathspell omega rule even when they are oblique rather than powerful.
hard core is more than just volume/anger.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: cr on August 26, 2016, 05:26:15 PM
"...just Black Metal..."  - Nécropole CD/LP on NH. At the moment my favourite and most listened BM record.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: tiny_tove on August 26, 2016, 10:13:35 PM
deathspell omega rule even when they are oblique rather than powerful.
hard core is more than just volume/anger.

ditto

Enjoying French combo MALHKEBRE


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on August 27, 2016, 01:37:45 AM
That Necropole did seem good from the little I listened, gonna need to revisit it to give proper attention.

Malhkebre is excellent, I used to play Prostration all the time but I remember being somewhat let down by Revelation, no where near as rabid and frantic as I remember the mlp being. I should give it another chance though as I usually try to do with most records that initially underwhelm me.

On a huge Temple of the Fullmoon binge with old Graveland, Infernum, Veles, Mysteries, and then the worship bands like some Evil, Necrostrigis (fucking AMAZING at times), Catacomba, and Blood Tyrant especially.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: eyestrain on August 27, 2016, 09:56:20 AM
Necrostrigis (fucking AMAZING at times)

Throw a suggestion our way, if you would. Nothing has clicked yet, although they clearly linger in a realm I often enjoy.

Thirding (or fourthing?) the Nécropole mention. Résilience (i.e., this and Caverne) has been one of the best arrivals in the last few years. Was so happy to see the NH reissue, as I thought that was at least as deserving, if not more, of equal the attention that Caverne got with the IBP reissues.

Gonna add Malokarpatan's "Stridžie dni" for its dirt, dust, spittle, hangover, spirit (as in, malevolent creatures) littered atmosphere. Very akin to Negative Plane, but probably moreso through mutual praise of the BM forefathers than as a way to imitate a contemporary. Aggression, riffs, confidence and originality. Many of the hallmarks of a classic record ala Master's Hammer, Tormentor, Mefisto, Bathory, etc... that speed/thrash/heavy feeling all around. Rye bourbon all night and this on for the third time.

EDIT: Will also add Blood Stronghold, I count 5 releases so far if I haven't missed anything. Featuring Necrostrigis performers, which I guess brought them to mind. Also the Drowning The Light/Eternum fella. But, at the risk of heresy, I must say this is at least tenfold superior to any of that. That BM air of escapism, glory and melancholy that first made this genre so important to me is resplendent in each release (although "The March Of Apparitions" gets my utmost recommendations over all else). The kind of extended arm to a magnificent past and the 50/50 chance of victorious/damning future. Cruel fate and time pondered on a twilight night. Vast ocean of stars and futility. But a surge in the blood reignites the urge to march! (Or more literally, this is the ultimate early-90's sound that come from Eastern Europe and has generally been poorly mimicked till this).


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on August 28, 2016, 03:58:06 AM
Necrostrigis (fucking AMAZING at times)

Throw a suggestion our way, if you would. Nothing has clicked yet, although they clearly linger in a realm I often enjoy.

EDIT: Will also add Blood Stronghold, I count 5 releases so far if I haven't missed anything. Featuring Necrostrigis performers, which I guess brought them to mind. Also the Drowning The Light/Eternum fella. But, at the risk of heresy, I must say this is at least tenfold superior to any of that. That BM air of escapism, glory and melancholy that first made this genre so important to me is resplendent in each release (although "The March Of Apparitions" gets my utmost recommendations over all else). The kind of extended arm to a magnificent past and the 50/50 chance of victorious/damning future. Cruel fate and time pondered on a twilight night. Vast ocean of stars and futility. But a surge in the blood reignites the urge to march! (Or more literally, this is the ultimate early-90's sound that come from Eastern Europe and has generally been poorly mimicked till this).

Wilkołaki księżycowego pentagramu, the only full length from three years ago is in my opinion an excellent starting point or at least it was for me along with the split 7'' with Evil. They have so many releases though so I'm a little bewildered as to where to go from here, probably one of the compilations..

Didn't know Blood Stronghold had Azorgh involved, I'll have to check it out. Not the biggest DtL fan, I just ordered From the Abyss on tape after checking it out though and being impressed. Back when DtL first started the songs sounded like Satanic Warmaster and Moonblood throw aways but this along with the Diabolical Winter Spells stuff has me interested now. The fact Necrostrigis members are also involved and your description combined has me interested definitely!


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: ritualabuser on August 28, 2016, 09:10:44 PM
Not Azgorh involved, but Nightwolf. I personally prefer the Necrostrigis sound to BS(though they're kind of apples to oranges), but I'll have to go back and listen to the material I have from Blood Stronghold. On that Polish note, I don't think Ravenmoon Sanctuary has been mentioned yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTliJogIOlA Key-laden BM done right with a mystical, nostalgic feeling. Will also have to echo the support for the Necropole/Caverne releases, especially Caverne's album.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: ConcreteMascara on August 30, 2016, 05:14:26 PM
new Inquisition album is pretty damn good.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: ANDROPHILIA on August 30, 2016, 06:17:16 PM
new Inquisition album is pretty damn good.

as usual


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: 13 on August 31, 2016, 11:01:26 AM
This list might be of interest: https://www.maldororspeaks.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=1209#p1209 (https://www.maldororspeaks.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=1209#p1209)


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Petrificado on August 31, 2016, 02:41:48 PM
Just discovered Order of the Death's Head. Really great riffy black metal, excellent vocals. Not much black metal interests me these days but this hits the spot.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Leewar on August 31, 2016, 06:29:47 PM
This list might be of interest: https://www.maldororspeaks.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=1209#p1209 (https://www.maldororspeaks.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=1209#p1209)

Somebody has way too much spare time.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: david lloyd jones on August 31, 2016, 06:51:31 PM
This list might be of interest: https://www.maldororspeaks.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=1209#p1209 (https://www.maldororspeaks.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=1209#p1209)

Somebody has way too much spare time.

the quoted reference or the thread?


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Leewar on August 31, 2016, 07:54:43 PM
The forum link, "I have decided to include every album I remember being talked about in the underground at the time"  - theres a good few releases on there that only became 'cool' in recent years.

Plus who really cares? Everybody is so anal about Black Metal these days, bar codes,1st pressings, lists, pre order's. Its worse then stamp collecting.

Let me guess, the guy who wrote that list was probably still in a pram in 1990.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on September 03, 2016, 02:26:22 AM
Not Azgorh involved, but Nightwolf. I personally prefer the Necrostrigis sound to BS(though they're kind of apples to oranges), but I'll have to go back and listen to the material I have from Blood Stronghold. On that Polish note, I don't think Ravenmoon Sanctuary has been mentioned yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTliJogIOlA Key-laden BM done right with a mystical, nostalgic feeling. Will also have to echo the support for the Necropole/Caverne releases, especially Caverne's album.

Thanks for the recommendation, this RS is fantastic and exactly what I'm looking for! I also can't get enough of the Fullmoon rehearsal that was put out not to long ago.

I still need to get around to hearing the new Inquisition, I've heard nothing but good things as usual. I wish Kramer was still doing the cover art for the albums..

Order of the Death's Head is fucking fantastic as well, that mournful but powerful NSBM riffing style has not been done this well since Kristallnacht.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Vega360 on September 07, 2016, 06:45:51 PM
Black Metal reached it's musical apex many years ago and now so many peoples just exist to suck the money out of stupid kids. Finding peoples in it all that aren't mentally retarded (or just acting that way) is a very rare feat indeed. On the very rare occasion I actually listen to a black metal album it is almost always black and roll.

Underground BM (NSBM especially) became more of an artistic platform for alternative lifestyles then actual music well before I came along.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: BlackHole on September 08, 2016, 03:34:59 AM
This is the best black metal band I have discovered in ages. Highly recommended.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvUhwgQ9wcY


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on September 09, 2016, 01:27:23 AM
This is the best black metal band I have discovered in ages. Highly recommended.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvUhwgQ9wcY

Agreed, one of the best tapes I've heard in recent memory. There was a period where I was listening to this and the most recent Obskuritatem daily, multiple times. I think I'll return to this again today..

New Bekëth Nexëhmü lp and cd's recently released, everything released on Ancient Records and Mysticism Productions is consistently high quality but for me BN is easily the best band out of all the projects.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: BlackHole on September 09, 2016, 04:09:34 AM
This is the best black metal band I have discovered in ages. Highly recommended.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvUhwgQ9wcY

Agreed, one of the best tapes I've heard in recent memory. There was a period where I was listening to this and the most recent Obskuritatem daily, multiple times. I think I'll return to this again today..

New Bekëth Nexëhmü lp and cd's recently released, everything released on Ancient Records and Mysticism Productions is consistently high quality but for me BN is easily the best band out of all the projects.

Also agreed. Bekëth Nexëhmü is excellent. Look forward to hearing the new LP. Mystik sounds pretty promising as well based on the sample on youtube.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: ritualabuser on September 09, 2016, 07:23:31 AM
I dunno, RE; Ancient Records stuff, I remember enjoying most, but I went back and listened to the Kaos Sacramentum comp CD and was thoroughly unimpressed. Have to give the LPs another spin, but if they're anything like that, they'll likely be up for grabs soon. Best bands I remember being on the label are Helgedom and Urkaos, though the most recent Urkaos release didn't really impress me too much.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on September 09, 2016, 07:51:40 AM
Kaos Sacramentum comp CD

That comp is the weakest KS release, every album kills. Such a fantastic "scene" they have there in Sweden...

Not related to that scene but: Hail Fungi! http://youtu.be/ZzJbJ7WOM7A


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on September 10, 2016, 01:38:21 PM
fantastic "scene" they have there...

Haha! I remember talking with one party involved, and he concluded it's great that some guy just sits home endlessly replicating BM and can't handle human relations. Whatever exact medical condition of the person churning out ton of stuff is, I won't throw much rumors online, hehe..
But it somehow seems rather clear. While a lot of Ancient Records stuff appears good, at the same time it seems like replication of good bm.

Of course this conclusion could be made from a lot of material out there. But even more, when there are guys who appear of trying to replicate historical situation. One guy churning scene worth of obscure releases, ain't the "obscure scene".

I don't know what it is with Swedish scene - in all its diversity and long history, but ain't much of bands that would interest me.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on September 10, 2016, 03:55:19 PM
I remember talking with one party involved, and he concluded it's great that some guy just sits home endlessly replicating BM and can't handle human relations.
Could it be that this "one party involved" just has some grudge against the guy or something?

Whatever exact medical condition of the person churning out ton of stuff is, I won't throw much rumors online, hehe..
I've heard some rumors but rumors are always rumors and I don't give a fuck.

While a lot of Ancient Records stuff appears good, at the same time it seems like replication of good bm.
Yeah, they certainly have couple bands in that "circle" (better than "scene"?) that remind me of some other well known bands but I'd definitely take a good replication over some shitty wannabe uniqueness.

Out of the more unique bands I could bring up Hädanfärd and Grav, which may both sound a bit like LIK or Armagedda but since the person behind those bands went all "only true CHRISTIAN believers" (another rumor...), good death worship in the same musical vein is no problem to me. Then there's Grifteskymfning which I'd say is quite original actually and "Likpsalm" happens to be one of better new black metal releases imo. Also some new bands on Mysticism Prods are quite unique. Grudom from Denmark is totally out of this world and one of a kind without trying to force the "uniqueness"... Might be a bit niche stylistically but it's outsider music for outsiders. Same applies to many other bands on that side-label.

Their new label is Nordisk Kultur btw.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: BlackHole on September 10, 2016, 08:04:48 PM
fantastic "scene" they have there...

Haha! I remember talking with one party involved, and he concluded it's great that some guy just sits home endlessly replicating BM and can't handle human relations. Whatever exact medical condition of the person churning out ton of stuff is, I won't throw much rumors online, hehe..
But it somehow seems rather clear. While a lot of Ancient Records stuff appears good, at the same time it seems like replication of good bm.

Of course this conclusion could be made from a lot of material out there. But even more, when there are guys who appear of trying to replicate historical situation. One guy churning scene worth of obscure releases, ain't the "obscure scene".

I don't know what it is with Swedish scene - in all its diversity and long history, but ain't much of bands that would interest me.

I agree, partially. There are a few bands under the Ancient Records banner such as Hadanfard, Beketh Nexehmu, Grav, etc that don't really sound like anything else. Then there are the other bands that sound like typical Swedish BM...in other words Dissection. But the aforementioned bands have pretty unique sounds.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on September 10, 2016, 08:33:52 PM
I remember talking with one party involved, and he concluded it's great that some guy just sits home endlessly replicating BM and can't handle human relations.
Could it be that this "one party involved" just has some grudge against the guy or something?

Out of the more unique bands I could bring up Hädanfärd and Grav, which may both sound a bit like LIK or Armagedda but...

Actually that comment was meant by person as  positive one. I wasnt very convinced.

Those mentioned bands, I liked a bit, but also very quickly filed it under all the swedes ala Lifelover, lik, hypotermia, etc etc which are not the kind of BM I prefer to listen to.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on September 11, 2016, 01:05:22 AM
Agreed that Ancient Records etc is not the most original to say the least, but the exception I think is BN and definitely has it's own sound and style, of course comparisons can be made to similar bands/influences but I think this band is in a class of it's own. Good mentioning of Grudom as well as this band sounds absolutely like no other band I have ever heard and is simply incredible. Helgedom as well, very ghostly and otherwordly aura with a unique approach in my opinion also. A lot of bands use forest and nature imagery but these three bands really live up to the atmosphere depicted on their album covers..


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on September 11, 2016, 02:10:30 AM
Been listening to shitloads of Stridborg lately and have to state that that Blood Tyrant material sounds very similar. Which is to say, I very much like it.

Not so keen on Grudom, though. They're not so much "expanding" the genre as pretty much leaving it behind. And I just don't care for their music anyway.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: ritualabuser on September 11, 2016, 11:27:22 PM
Put the Ancient Records Demo Comp and Svartrit I-III LPs up for sale.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: cantle on September 12, 2016, 02:54:37 AM
RE: Grudom- I like them as they remind me of Ved Buens Ende but more low fi.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: yosef666 on September 12, 2016, 10:02:28 PM
fantastic "scene" they have there...

Haha! I remember talking with one party involved, and he concluded it's great that some guy just sits home endlessly replicating BM and can't handle human relations. Whatever exact medical condition of the person churning out ton of stuff is, I won't throw much rumors online, hehe..
But it somehow seems rather clear. While a lot of Ancient Records stuff appears good, at the same time it seems like replication of good bm.

Of course this conclusion could be made from a lot of material out there. But even more, when there are guys who appear of trying to replicate historical situation. One guy churning scene worth of obscure releases, ain't the "obscure scene".

I don't know what it is with Swedish scene - in all its diversity and long history, but ain't much of bands that would interest me.
Yeah, I don't really understand why everyone goes nuts over the Ancient Records stuff. I like Reverorum ib Malacht, except the demo LP they released is by far that project's weakest material & not really worth having. Svartrit & Kaos Sacramentum & some others sound good on the first listen, but don't bear up to repeat listens, at least not to me. Well done black metal of a certain style, but too derivative to be memorable.

There have been plenty of other great Swedish bands though... Dissection of course (not counting Reinkaos, what a turd), The Black (Priest of Satan is a true classic), Funeral Mist, Triumphator, Sorhin, Wulkanaz, Tomhet, Sigrblot, Ofermod, Mortuus, Craft (although the last record was not their best), Woods of Infinity, Nastrond, Armagedda, Necroplasma, (old) Arckanum, Bestial Mockery/Sons of Satan, Azhubham Haani, Setherial debut album, Malign, Panphage, Jarnvidr, Niden Div. 187, Silencer, Morbid Insulter... plenty more I'm sure I could think of. All a matter of taste of course, but to my ears there's plenty of great black metal from Sweden for sure.

That being said, most of the "big" names in Swedish black metal, like Marduk (although I do like a couple records), new Watain (post-Sworn to the Dark), Dark Funeral, sound boring and lifeless to me.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on September 13, 2016, 12:35:51 AM
Craft (although the last record was not their best)

Can't agree, although I can understand why someone would think that. At first few listens it went over my head. But gradually it sunk in and now I'd say it's their best release so far.

That being said, most of the "big" names in Swedish black metal, like Marduk (although I do like a couple records), new Watain (post-Sworn to the Dark), Dark Funeral, sound boring and lifeless to me.

Be a bit odd to have a Black Metal band sounding full of life, eh?
But again I get your point. Certainly Dark Funeral and Watain are just going through the motions. Marduk, on the other hand, improved enormously when Håkansson basically sacked the rest of the band and brought in new (and old) members. "Plague Angel" is an excellent album.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: yosef666 on September 13, 2016, 09:20:44 AM
Craft (although the last record was not their best)

Can't agree, although I can understand why someone would think that. At first few listens it went over my head. But gradually it sunk in and now I'd say it's their best release so far.

That being said, most of the "big" names in Swedish black metal, like Marduk (although I do like a couple records), new Watain (post-Sworn to the Dark), Dark Funeral, sound boring and lifeless to me.

Be a bit odd to have a Black Metal band sounding full of life, eh?
But again I get your point. Certainly Dark Funeral and Watain are just going through the motions. Marduk, on the other hand, improved enormously when Håkansson basically sacked the rest of the band and brought in new (and old) members. "Plague Angel" is an excellent album.
Fair play on the Craft album. I listened to it 3 or 4 times when it came out, and while it's certainly not bad, it never really sunk in for me. Maybe I need to give it another spin.

Dark Funeral were always mediocre at best to my ears. Watain's old material is great, but nowadays they're just embarrassing. Marduk is hit-or-miss for me at best. "Fuck Me Jesus" through "Opus Nocturne" they're good, but not on the same level as the other classic bands of the era (Darkthrone, Blasphemy, Beherit, Master's Hammer, Immortal, Emperor, Ulver, etc. all releasing much better records in the same period). I know a lot of people go nuts for "Panzer Division Marduk", but I find the album pretty flat and uninspiring.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on September 14, 2016, 02:18:23 AM
I need to check out Striborg finally, never gave the band a proper listen or chance. Any suggestions on where to start?

Tons of good Swedish black metal of course, most of them already mentioned, DF first mcd is some of the best Swedish black metal ever in my opinion. Everything Blackmoon was involved in back then was excellent including Necrophobic (not BM obviously).

Still like modern Marduk and Watain, everyone complains Watain are going through the motions or are pop black metal or whatever but I think there are songs on all their releases that are as strong as Casus Luciferi, although no album has matched that album since then of course. Everything up to Sworn to the Dark is actually pretty diverse and I think they completely NAIL the Mayhem/Dissection/Ofermod sound, which everyone cites them for copying Dissection and Mayhem but I don't think many have noticed the sometimes subtle and other times obvious Ofermod- Mysterion influence mixed with maybe a little bit of classic Malign too. HUGE scene though with so many bands now, I can remember in the really early 2000's when practically the only 'underground' Swedish black metal that I was aware of was Craft, Armagedda, Necroplasma, Watain, Funeral Mist/Triumphator, Malign and Ofermod and I'm undoubtedly forgetting a few more at most. It's obviously exploded since then to say the least.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: david lloyd jones on September 14, 2016, 02:37:34 PM
striborg-got so many releases that can't really say, possibly just dive in, as at the end of the day, can't say I remember too much variation.
watain- yes, like this band and having seen them live a few times, they pack a punch even if their music can be argued as not entirely original. pop black metal? well if you accept their ideas then spreading their satanic ideas to masses makes sense rather than remaining kilt, though as an excuse for 'selling out' ...


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: cantle on September 14, 2016, 08:22:52 PM
http://www.factmag.com/2016/09/12/fans-elect-black-metal-legend-fenriz-to-town-council-darkthrone/


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: ritualabuser on September 15, 2016, 07:09:47 AM
Mouthgate is awesome stuff, strikes me like a cross between rotten BM and cheap 70's horror soundtracks: https://soundcloud.com/serfduct


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Deadpriest on September 15, 2016, 06:29:40 PM
http://www.factmag.com/2016/09/12/fans-elect-black-metal-legend-fenriz-to-town-council-darkthrone/

Seems apt, Darkthrone have been a joke for about 10 years.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on September 17, 2016, 03:04:33 AM
I need to check out Striborg finally, never gave the band a proper listen or chance. Any suggestions on where to start?

I'll tell you where not to start, and that's with "This Suffocating Existence". As tempting as that title is, the first three songs for some reason suffer from excessive happy tunes. It's only by the time he gets to "Sleep Paralysis" he remembers, "aw yea, that's right, I'm doing Black Metal".


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: F_c_O on September 17, 2016, 10:44:04 AM
I need to check out Striborg finally, never gave the band a proper listen or chance. Any suggestions on where to start?
I'd go with the early material, specifically with Embittered Darkness / Isle de Morts and Nefaria / A Tragic Journey Towards the Light. I think those give good idea what its all about.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: david lloyd jones on September 19, 2016, 08:15:27 PM
http://www.factmag.com/2016/09/12/fans-elect-black-metal-legend-fenriz-to-town-council-darkthrone/

Seems apt, Darkthrone have been a joke for about 10 years.

only ten?


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on September 20, 2016, 10:13:00 PM
plenty of other great Swedish bands though... Dissection of course (not counting Reinkaos, what a turd), The Black (Priest of Satan is a true classic), Funeral Mist, Triumphator, Sorhin, Wulkanaz, Tomhet, Sigrblot, Ofermod, Mortuus, Craft (although the last record was not their best), Woods of Infinity, Nastrond, Armagedda, Necroplasma, (old) Arckanum, Bestial Mockery/Sons of Satan, Azhubham Haani, Setherial debut album, Malign, Panphage, Jarnvidr, Niden Div. 187, Silencer, Morbid Insulter... plenty more I'm sure I could think of. All a matter of taste of course, but to my ears there's plenty of great black metal from Sweden for sure.

Out of list, i have had or still have most in collection, but never really got much out of them. Some records just was bought when they came out but now, listening stuff, doesnt do much for me. Not opposing bands -I feel fine to distribute, but not really listen.

Exceptions Funeral Must and earlier Craft what now hits better than ever! Some selected Nastrond too.

And its not that I would be somehow "grown out" of bm in general. Not At all. Must have listened few hundred releases this year alone. Including attempts to several mentioned, but have come to conclusion maybe time to sell away some "classics".


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: ProzacPatrol on September 21, 2016, 05:43:44 AM
I will list some bands I enjoy here for you guys in case you haven't heard them. I have listened to all these bands stuff a lot. If you enjoy these music selections feel free to make suggestions to me. Modern black metal is fucking joke!  I would very much enjoy some new good bands to hear!

Bands: Katharsis,Heresi, Aosoth, Antaeus, Black Death Ritual, Uncreation´s Dawn,Nidsang, Kapein,Valoton, KORGONTHURUS( new band album just dropped from finland).


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: BlackHole on September 23, 2016, 03:12:21 AM
I recently checked the bands Caverne and Nécropole. Some of the best black metal I have heard in quite some time. Mikko released the two Nécropole demos compiled on LP earlier this year and would highly recommend picking it up. Really excellent.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: yosef666 on September 24, 2016, 11:31:15 PM
plenty of other great Swedish bands though... Dissection of course (not counting Reinkaos, what a turd), The Black (Priest of Satan is a true classic), Funeral Mist, Triumphator, Sorhin, Wulkanaz, Tomhet, Sigrblot, Ofermod, Mortuus, Craft (although the last record was not their best), Woods of Infinity, Nastrond, Armagedda, Necroplasma, (old) Arckanum, Bestial Mockery/Sons of Satan, Azhubham Haani, Setherial debut album, Malign, Panphage, Jarnvidr, Niden Div. 187, Silencer, Morbid Insulter... plenty more I'm sure I could think of. All a matter of taste of course, but to my ears there's plenty of great black metal from Sweden for sure.

Out of list, i have had or still have most in collection, but never really got much out of them. Some records just was bought when they came out but now, listening stuff, doesnt do much for me. Not opposing bands -I feel fine to distribute, but not really listen.

Exceptions Funeral Must and earlier Craft what now hits better than ever! Some selected Nastrond too.

And its not that I would be somehow "grown out" of bm in general. Not At all. Must have listened few hundred releases this year alone. Including attempts to several mentioned, but have come to conclusion maybe time to sell away some "classics".
Ha, yes, I did not think you've grown out of black metal Mikko... one listen to the last Clandestine Blaze LP confirms that the fire still burns in your heart.

Well, I'm glad to hear that Funeral Mist and Craft still appeal to you at least! I do prefer earlier Nastrond, mainly the demo, 7" and first LP. I'm surprised you're not too into Sorhin, Triumphator, Armagedda, Ofermod (at least the first one)... but to each their own, certainly.

Speaking of the various national scenes, the Finnish scene is rather strong too. Not as many well-known acts as for example Sweden or Norway, but also due to that fact, far fewer national embarrassments. I can't think of an awful black metal band from Finland that is internationally known. I would list many Finnish acts among my all-time favorites, especially Ride For Revenge (godz, I have the horseman logo tattooed prominently on my upper arm), Barathrum, early Impaled Nazarene, Clandestine Blaze, Cosmic Church, Keres, Goatmoon, Circle of Ouroborus, Rahu... Bloodhammer, Musta Surma, Vordr, Venus Star, Uncreation's Dawn/Uncelestial, Incriminated, Verivala, IC Rex, Phlegein, Karmic Void, Diaboli, Blood Red Fog, Charnel Winds, Gandr, Cornigr, Blutschrei, Pantheon of Blood, Saturnian Mist, etc. are quite good too. On the other hand, while I have nothing but respect for some of the more popular Finish bands, like Sargeist, Behexen, Baptism, Horna and others of that circle, I never feel the urgent need to spin those albums. Indeed, I sold off my personal copies of most some time ago. Satanic Warmaster too. The demos and first couple albums are excellent, but it's mostly ot too much to my taste after that, although I did quite like the series of 3 necro-sounding EPs on NH a few years back.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: yosef666 on September 24, 2016, 11:33:28 PM
I recently checked the bands Caverne and Nécropole. Some of the best black metal I have heard in quite some time. Mikko released the two Nécropole demos compiled on LP earlier this year and would highly recommend picking it up. Really excellent.
Yes, excellent stuff indeed, I was just playing the Necropole LP for my girlfriend today in fact. The new Caverne album is fantastic, hopefully it gets the vinyl treatment as well.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Salamanauhat on September 25, 2016, 01:08:02 PM
Just a heads-up for those not aware of this -

'Pirunkehto' - a well researched book (over 500 pages) about the evolution of Finnish black metal from late 80s to present day, written by Tero Ikäheimo, was recently released by Svart Records. Info on Beherit, Impaled Nazarene, Barathrum, Archgoat, Azazel, Diaboli, Darkwoods My Betrothed, Horna, Vornat, Thy Serpent, Wanderer, Urn, Black Dawn, ...And Oceans, Musta Surma, Alghazanth, Azaghal, Warloghe, Behexen, Clandestine Blaze, Satanic Warmaster, Ride for Revenge, Goatmoon, IC Rex, Charnel Winds, Cosmic Church, Saturnian Mist, Rienaus, Abyssion...

This is not supposed to be a catalogue of every obscure project from Finland but deals with the subject from a larger framework, with interesting tidbits etc. It is a good read. English version is scheduled for early 2017.

(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14064041_1597907000510209_4081886472908412655_n.jpg?oh=85a4ead27013c8318143da6de2a7e618&oe=58651B35)


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Deadpriest on September 25, 2016, 02:53:54 PM
http://www.factmag.com/2016/09/12/fans-elect-black-metal-legend-fenriz-to-town-council-darkthrone/

Seems apt, Darkthrone have been a joke for about 10 years.

only ten?

Point.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on September 25, 2016, 07:24:04 PM
Yes, excellent stuff indeed, I was just playing the Necropole LP for my girlfriend today in fact. The new Caverne album is fantastic, hopefully it gets the vinyl treatment as well.

Under preparation!
Necropole lp 1st press very last copies so I Recommend strongly to get it now. I have avoided "cross over" of bm and noise quite a lot, but now that due technical reasons NH and FA joined under same webstore, people should be very aware ton of bm stuff can be bought via "fa".

Necropole and Caverne stuff included and most recommended. I had pleasure to meet and withness their live strength in Lahti while ago. Absolute mandatory also if you ever have possibility to see live.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on September 26, 2016, 01:47:13 AM
I had pleasure to meet and withness their live strength in Lahti while ago. Absolute mandatory also if you ever have possibility to see live.

Speaking of that, what a performance it was (judging by this vid): https://youtu.be/2tppwq_kQqM


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: david lloyd jones on September 27, 2016, 04:25:26 PM
Just a heads-up for those not aware of this -

'Pirunkehto' - a well researched book (over 500 pages) about the evolution of Finnish black metal from late 80s to present day, written by Tero Ikäheimo, was recently released by Svart Records. Info on Beherit, Impaled Nazarene, Barathrum, Archgoat, Azazel, Diaboli, Darkwoods My Betrothed, Horna, Vornat, Thy Serpent, Wanderer, Urn, Black Dawn, ...And Oceans, Musta Surma, Alghazanth, Azaghal, Warloghe, Behexen, Clandestine Blaze, Satanic Warmaster, Ride for Revenge, Goatmoon, IC Rex, Charnel Winds, Cosmic Church, Saturnian Mist, Rienaus, Abyssion...

This is not supposed to be a catalogue of every obscure project from Finland but deals with the subject from a larger framework, with interesting tidbits etc. It is a good read. English version is scheduled for early 2017.
sounds interesting
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14064041_1597907000510209_4081886472908412655_n.jpg?oh=85a4ead27013c8318143da6de2a7e618&oe=58651B35)


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Leewar on September 27, 2016, 05:37:11 PM
Give it a few years and there will be more worthless books then albums.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: david lloyd jones on September 27, 2016, 05:56:12 PM
I do hope so.
nothing like historification to neuter a movement.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: THE RITA HN on October 03, 2016, 01:49:02 AM
Respected HN colleague sent me a link to a somewhat related, interesting read on MORTICIAN:

http://trialbyordeal666.blogspot.ca/2011/10/how-to-listen-to-mortician.html

HOUSE BY THE CEMETERY has always been a personal favourite, and it rules to see some of the aspects of why.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on October 03, 2016, 03:12:48 PM
Give it a few years and there will be more worthless books then albums.

This has been matter of discussion for a while. Couple friends mentioned that amount of documentaries and books on this subject starts to get very odd. Documentaries, I guess dozen at least? Books.. who knows. I know I have given some sort of replies to 4 books that I know being actually published.

I personally, don't need any more books explaining the roots, early days, Norwegian scene or such...  but there are plenty of bands and topic to cover. Would it need to be book? Why not zine? I guess simply that most of metal people don't buy zines anymore. Series of book based on interviews seems to be what guy behind Evolution of Cult is doing. First putting out book that deals with most of the obvious, and continues to dig deeper into obscure bands.

I can see the point, that some see books to mark the end of vital moment of BM or simply unnecessary. I see them way less harmful compared to countless other things. I rate best of them much more like zines - that is good thing. I'd rather see BM book than appear on pages on Metal Hammer, Terrorizer, Decibel, countless of gossip web portals and so on...


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Zeno Marx on October 03, 2016, 04:59:06 PM
Respected HN colleague sent me a link to a somewhat related, interesting read on MORTICIAN:

http://trialbyordeal666.blogspot.ca/2011/10/how-to-listen-to-mortician.html

HOUSE BY THE CEMETERY has always been a personal favourite, and it rules to see some of the aspects of why.

This makes perfect sense.  Thanks for the article.  I hadn't heard them until the Mortal Massacre collection CD.  I quickly had to learn to approach it like a drone album.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: calaverasgrande on October 03, 2016, 09:43:37 PM
Respected HN colleague sent me a link to a somewhat related, interesting read on MORTICIAN:

http://trialbyordeal666.blogspot.ca/2011/10/how-to-listen-to-mortician.html

HOUSE BY THE CEMETERY has always been a personal favourite, and it rules to see some of the aspects of why.

I mean yeah not BM at all, but if Abbath was from Yonkers I'm pretty sure he would be producing similar fare.
As far as the article, I learned two things. I had no idea Mortician was held in contempt? They are pretty well loved among people I know.
I also had no idea Aesop Dekker was well known outside of the Bay Area Metal/Punk scene.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on October 04, 2016, 11:48:23 AM
Insofar as getting Death and Black Metal mixed up, Teitenblood sound pretty fucking great to me.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: bitewerksMTB on October 11, 2016, 09:43:10 PM
I thought Antaeus were done for but a new full-length will be released next month. I was told "It's totally fucking insane. It's like a wall of fists and knives with no relief at all."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDu2zjVnrJI


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: ConcreteMascara on October 11, 2016, 09:49:32 PM
I thought Antaeus were done for but a new full-length will be released next month. I was told "It's totally fucking insane. It's like a wall of fists and knives with no relief at all."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDu2zjVnrJI

I pretty much worship Antaeus but I'm not in love with this preview track. Perhaps my feelings will change once I hear it in context with rest of the album. Still hard to imagine they're going to top the relentlessness of Blood Libels. fingers crossed...

also new Deathspell Omega earlier in November gives something else to look forward to.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on October 11, 2016, 10:11:34 PM
New Antaeus preview is kind of a let down, although I don't think as a band they'll ever be able to match CYFAWS ever again. Blood Libels was still pretty good, I just feel like this band was WAY better when they had an hint of the unhinged insanity of Nuclear Death and MkM's vocals used to be way more fierce...

Can't wait for the new DSO also.

Let's hope NED continues the pattern and there are more releases soon, specifically from Teitanblood. I would say hopefully from Katharsis too, but band is dead apparently.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: F_c_O on October 11, 2016, 10:19:24 PM
I enjoy the new Antaeus. Not blowing my mind like the early stuff but certainly really good and way above average. At least these guys havent gone down the road that bands like arckanum have gone.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on October 12, 2016, 03:17:03 AM
That's a bit odd to me because I never got into Arckanum but do quite like the more recent album.

Anyone else like this black-death, or whatever it's called? Black Witchery is probably a better known example (I suppose, it's all a bit new to me) but I quite like Perversor's "Demon Metal" album, and Black Devotion's "Ceremonial Rituals of Demonic Chaos".


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on October 12, 2016, 04:09:36 AM
Anyone else like this black-death

I guess some would call this as such: http://darkdescentrecords.bandcamp.com/album/death-endless-nothing-and-the-black-knife-of-nihilism

For me death metal is death metal and that album was the best death metal album of 2015. Just picked up the vinyl version from local recordshop sale for 11€. That's a steal for such a fierce album. All their albums are great btw, I worship that drum sound, especially the snare.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: absurdexposition on October 12, 2016, 08:23:46 PM
Anyone else like this black-death

I guess some would call this as such: http://darkdescentrecords.bandcamp.com/album/death-endless-nothing-and-the-black-knife-of-nihilism

For me death metal is death metal and that album was the best death metal album of 2015. Just picked up the vinyl version from local recordshop sale for 11€. That's a steal for such a fierce album. All their albums are great btw, I worship that drum sound, especially the snare.

Real solid band for sure.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: BlackHole on October 16, 2016, 08:43:28 AM
However not new, I am obsessed with the Blazebirth Hall collective from Russia. Branikald, Forest, Raven Dark, Nitberg, and Vargleide are all so good. Top tier black metal. I really hope more of the Branikald material gets released on vinyl at some point.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: tiny_tove on October 16, 2016, 10:37:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYDnWorfASU


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on October 16, 2016, 12:24:20 PM
I really hope more of the Branikald material gets released on vinyl at some point.

What I have been told, they don't care much for vinyl. There is one Branikald LP. (I got some of them still left.)
I'm under impression that guys don't have vinyl players. Tape was affordable format in russia. Then came CD's. LP was never really considered. In a way, this is attitude I appreciate. If you feel that in 2016, vinyl is just for rich western hipsters collectors, then sticking with CD's seems about right!
Of course, I'd grab any BBH stuff on vinyl, but at the same time feel like it isn't so necessary.

Velimor just played in Finland on Friday. Ulv Gegner Irminsson used to be member. Not huge crowd, but bands like Velimor or Leichenzug (ger) are such an marginal or marginal even in Finland. One could appreciate the utmost uncompromising approach of Velimor, even if in theory, there wasn't much to celebrate with their musical output. It's always refreshing to see guys about to burst out from their t-shirts as they have spend more time in physical exercise than learning to play music.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: BlackHole on October 16, 2016, 08:32:16 PM
I really hope more of the Branikald material gets released on vinyl at some point.

What I have been told, they don't care much for vinyl. There is one Branikald LP. (I got some of them still left.)
I'm under impression that guys don't have vinyl players. Tape was affordable format in russia. Then came CD's. LP was never really considered. In a way, this is attitude I appreciate. If you feel that in 2016, vinyl is just for rich western hipsters collectors, then sticking with CD's seems about right!
Of course, I'd grab any BBH stuff on vinyl, but at the same time feel like it isn't so necessary.

Velimor just played in Finland on Friday. Ulv Gegner Irminsson used to be member. Not huge crowd, but bands like Velimor or Leichenzug (ger) are such an marginal or marginal even in Finland. One could appreciate the utmost uncompromising approach of Velimor, even if in theory, there wasn't much to celebrate with their musical output. It's always refreshing to see guys about to burst out from their t-shirts as they have spend more time in physical exercise than learning to play music.

I've heard the same thing about them. I'm not holding my breath for more BBH vinyl releases. I have that Branikald LP but I always wondered by they chose to release, in my opinion, the least good Branikald album on vinyl? Certainly "Stormheit", "To Kampf", "Rdyandalir", or "Blikk Av Kald" deserve the vinyl treatment.

At the end of the day I just don't like buying CD's. I will if it is not available on another format, but it is my last resort and my least favorite listening experience. Especially black metal.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on October 16, 2016, 09:37:58 PM
However not new, I am obsessed with the Blazebirth Hall collective from Russia.

Hah, been playing Forest CDs in the car for the whole weekend while waiting for that Wotan Sølv BOOTLEG to arrive.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on October 19, 2016, 03:47:57 AM
Weird, I've been on a BBH binge lately, mostly old Forest and Raven Dark.

Hah, been playing Forest CDs in the car for the whole weekend while waiting for that Wotan Sølv BOOTLEG to arrive.

So that's what the word is, this release is a bootleg? Don't mean to feed the rumor mill, but I've heard various things regarding the guy behind the release....never the less I'm waiting for my copy to arrive anxiously, cannot wait to hear this. With the exception of Branikald and the self titled Forest dlp, Raven Dark and everything Ulv Gegner was involved with is the best Blazebirth Hall for me.

Considering this is a forum for P.E/industrial and the likes it is impossible to not mention INTOLITARIAN in this thread.
No drums and this would be probably be classified as classic PE?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PFZ7J8jQtE
First album and single were good but with the second album I just can't take the spoken word bits seriously.

Listen to the new live lp Final Agony records just put out and the new 7'' Suicidal Allegiance, no spoken word and easily the most insanely berzerk and militant material the project has put out yet. I've been playing both over and over at least.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on October 20, 2016, 10:49:19 AM
Weird, I've been on a BBH binge lately, mostly old Forest and Raven Dark.

Hah, been playing Forest CDs in the car for the whole weekend while waiting for that Wotan Sølv BOOTLEG to arrive.

So that's what the word is, this release is a bootleg? Don't mean to feed the rumor mill, but I've heard various things regarding the guy behind the release....never the less I'm waiting for my copy to arrive anxiously, cannot wait to hear this. With the exception of Branikald and the self titled Forest dlp, Raven Dark and everything Ulv Gegner was involved with is the best Blazebirth Hall for me.

I guess Kaldrad has been the lone man in charge of the BBH since when Ulv was killed and this one didn't get his blessing, therefore could be considered a bootleg.

Anyway, playing it now and it's certainly good old BBH stuff! You can clearly hear it's sourced from an old cassette, probably not even from a master and quality is kinda bad. It has that annoying tape stutter sound. Packaging is nice if you care about such bullshit...


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Si Clark on October 20, 2016, 01:50:57 PM
Listen to the new live lp Final Agony records just put out and the new 7'' Suicidal Allegiance, no spoken word and easily the most insanely berzerk and militant material the project has put out yet. I've been playing both over and over at least.

Thanks, will check those out.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: tiny_tove on October 20, 2016, 08:40:08 PM
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/photos-of-norwegian-black-metal-singers-by-magnum-photographer-jonas-bendiksen?utm_source=dmfb


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: david lloyd jones on October 20, 2016, 08:59:44 PM
same shit.
just another decade


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: F_c_O on October 20, 2016, 10:06:53 PM
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/photos-of-norwegian-black-metal-singers-by-magnum-photographer-jonas-bendiksen?utm_source=dmfb

>Norwegian
>Black metal

Lord no this bullcrap again.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on October 21, 2016, 12:56:43 AM
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/photos-of-norwegian-black-metal-singers-by-magnum-photographer-jonas-bendiksen?utm_source=dmfb

Retarded pics of some nevahööd bands. Not surprising this turd was made by Vice...


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Asshole_Loser on October 21, 2016, 02:14:41 AM
Pure Fucking Garbage


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Asshole_Loser on October 21, 2016, 06:10:01 AM
Back on track. Two 2016 winners:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UliGZDZ_ckQ


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B3dbUB6Xitc



Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Ashmonger on October 21, 2016, 09:32:25 AM
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/photos-of-norwegian-black-metal-singers-by-magnum-photographer-jonas-bendiksen?utm_source=dmfb
Jesus christ, didn't read the full text, but sounds like a lot of garbage indeed! And the pictures look stupid. No atmosphere whatsoever, just a "study" of the faces during screaming/grunting/...



Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: tiny_tove on October 21, 2016, 11:17:59 AM
I avoided the text. it is vice.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: F_c_O on October 21, 2016, 12:01:49 PM
Back on track. Two 2016 winners:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UliGZDZ_ckQ


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B3dbUB6Xitc


ive yet to receive the vetala/mons veneris 12" on mail but i have huge feeling thats THE black metal lp for me this year.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on October 21, 2016, 12:50:36 PM
This is the black metal album of 2016 for me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4h4PTjldpw


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on October 22, 2016, 03:26:55 AM
I found this to be a very satisfying bit of work - https://profoundlorerecords.bandcamp.com/album/pestilence-peril (https://profoundlorerecords.bandcamp.com/album/pestilence-peril) - love that first song, "Sin Continuum", sounds like what Horned Almighty try to be.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: calaverasgrande on October 23, 2016, 01:55:14 AM
Funny thing about Vice;
When I watch their cable channel there are occasional well done docs which seem to be well researched and fairly in depth.
However whenever I've read any article by Vice which touches upon any subculture of which I've got some knowledge, they invariably oversimplify, and usually go out of their way to highlight any piss, blood, drugs or titties they can unearth. Regardless of how representative that might be.
There is also that here in Brooklyn, Vice is pretty much universally reviled. Doesn't help that most people that write for them are pompous cokeheads.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on October 23, 2016, 03:38:31 AM
This is a news agency that wants extreme metal to be unoffensive. All that needs to be stated about them.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on October 23, 2016, 07:44:07 AM
This is the black metal album of 2016 for me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4h4PTjldpw

Ok, I take that back... CdG might release new album this year: http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Cultes_des_Ghoules/Coven/612252


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on October 30, 2016, 08:02:43 PM
Seems like the new CdG album starts shipping tomorrow...

http://www.shadowkingdomrecords.com/item.asp?PID=30927


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Zodiac on October 30, 2016, 08:19:10 PM
This is a news agency that wants extreme metal to be unoffensive. All that needs to be stated about them.

Well said. [2]


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on October 31, 2016, 02:04:37 PM
This is the black metal album of 2016 for me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4h4PTjldpw

Ok, I take that back... CdG might release new album this year: http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Cultes_des_Ghoules/Coven/612252

Seems like the new CdG album starts shipping tomorrow...

http://www.shadowkingdomrecords.com/item.asp?PID=30927

Well fuck... https://youtu.be/zTGw5xbhvyI

Artwork also revealed... If it really looks like that, it's fucking awful. Didn't like the track that much either.

(http://cnhelhdb.turbobytes.net/images/catalogimages/HELLS190.jpg)


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on October 31, 2016, 02:07:59 PM
Yep, that's the artwork:
(http://e2.otwarte24.pl/otw277/916c508d002a898e5815e1e6)(http://e3.otwarte24.pl/otw7/b12cb98d001de76f5815e1ec)(http://e2.otwarte24.pl/otw353/c842c8320003e39a5815e1f1)


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on October 31, 2016, 02:17:14 PM
Funny that they released it just in time for Halloween. Spooky.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on October 31, 2016, 05:39:57 PM
Peste Noire live!!!
(http://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14876509_706895989458866_9077558729610312395_o.jpg)


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on November 02, 2016, 01:52:32 AM
Another sample track from the new CdG album: https://youtu.be/VrPbMnQn70A

Didn't like that one either which is crazy because I think their discography has been flawless so far and Marek is one of my favorite black metal vocalists.

Whining aside, speaking of flawless discographies, luckily this new DsO EP (yes EP, not album ffs!) didn't disappoint:
https://deathspellomega.bandcamp.com/album/the-synarchy-of-molten-bones


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on November 02, 2016, 10:50:29 AM
Whining aside, speaking of flawless discographies, luckily this new DsO EP (yes EP, not album ffs!) didn't disappoint:

According to Noevdia, it is new album. I would assume label who put it out, knows what it is?


I'd be glad to see more metal bands return to c. 30 minute albums, than 2xLP / 3xLP sets. Gorgoroth all, Immortal battles in the north, Impaled Nazarene Tol Cormpt..., Suomi Finland Perkele, Beherit Oath of black blood, Trelldom Til Evighet, etx .... A lot of good albums are +-30 minutes. If you got more than LP worth of stuff, it better be good. Vast majority of modern bm double LP's could be trimmed to classic album length to make them better. Same for most types of metal. When CD started to dominate market, still many albums followed classic album length. Not sure when did the change happen, but nowadays you got so much of stuff what seems to be merely space filler. If metal band offers double LP, I can pretty much conclude it's going to be half filler. Be it big names like Autopsy or Iron Maiden, or some raw BM. Almost as if band is unable to decide what it is they want to release, so end up putting everything. It's too bad very few would be ready to make "Battles In The North" type of 27 minute album. They'd rather throw in few shitty songs or gloomy intros filling it to.. color vinyl double LP with poster, sticker and t-shirt bundle? Massive new opus.

I heard some stuff of Cultes Des Ghoules almost year ago when visiting Poland. It sounded good back then, but triple LP still makes me highly dubious whether it's album that will be listened a lot.

Been revisiting a lot of BEHEXEN stuff lately. Especially early albums, most notably By The Blessings Of Satan. When it came out, I was not instantly big fan. It took some time to get into it. In beginning thought vocals were little too high pitched and sound was too clean, but then got into it. Now, when you compare it to with vast majority of stuff, it is superior in pretty much any category. Killer riffs, tasty variation of melody and brutality. Sound that is neither overtly clean, nor rubbish. Playing what is full of energy and naturally bordering chaos. Especially drumming. Cover artwork is simple and to the point. It has zero qualities that flirt towards the hipster & arty. No boutique label offering of something scathing and blistering. Nothing what seems like pulled out from roadburns festival exclusive merch desk. Just total hammer of true black metal.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on November 02, 2016, 12:36:58 PM
Technically, an album is just a collection of things. So any length can be said to be acceptable. Still, I can understand why some would regard the new DO release as an ep, timewise. EDIT - I read on metal-archives.com that Katharsis's "Fourth Reich" release, also on Norma Evangelium Diaboli and longer than the new Deathspell Omega, is cited as an ep. And that website, too, cites "The Synarchy of Molten Bones" as an ep. There doesn't seem to be any consensus.

Behexen fucking rule. I've unkultishly got an mp3 download of "From The Devil's Chalice", which is the first I heard of them, and it just burned itself in my mind from the first note. Fantastic shit. Musically they take the best of early BM, some kind of balance between both dark melody and pure hate-filled filth, and refine it into something that sounds immediate and effortless.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on November 02, 2016, 04:40:06 PM
Technically, an album is just a collection of things. So any length can be said to be acceptable. Still, I can understand why some would regard the new DO release as an ep, timewise. EDIT - I read on metal-archives.com that Katharsis's "Fourth Reich" release, also on Norma Evangelium Diaboli and longer than the new Deathspell Omega, is cited as an ep. And that website, too, cites "The Synarchy of Molten Bones" as an ep. There doesn't seem to be any consensus.

And there's also "Kénôse" which is a 36min EP (according to band as well?) so that's why I referred to the new "album" as EP. I agree with Mikko's point however, a lot of filler on most of the longer albums. For me, the perfect album length is 40-45mins and I simply can't regard 30 min of material as album. But I do respect the band's wish so I was merely just being a dick with my comment and I must say the release is quite perfect as it is. Paracletus as 42min album is still my favorite, not just length-wise but also the material is fantastic.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: bitewerksMTB on November 02, 2016, 07:40:10 PM
This here band called Caveman Cult strikes me as mildly interesting but I can't decide to order the LP or not:

https://cavemancult.bandcamp.com/track/ceremonial-disembowelment





Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Major Carew on November 02, 2016, 08:46:15 PM
This here band called Caveman Cult strikes me as mildly interesting but I can't decide to order the LP or not:

https://cavemancult.bandcamp.com/track/ceremonial-disembowelment





You MUST order it! All their material is great.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: F_c_O on November 03, 2016, 01:27:07 AM
dunno if its only me but to me the new cdg album tracks on youtube sound flatter and more one dimensional than the amazing henbane lp. that fucker had some real grit to it but this one just, it doesnt sound right for this kind of material. The instrumetns sound flat and the vocals float on top of everything and its just, kind of, what the fuck why. Plus the artwork is fucking attrocious.

I guess the maxim of sloth still holds true: 'Most of the bands I like either broke up or now suck'


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on November 03, 2016, 02:11:16 AM
dunno if its only me but to me the new cdg album tracks on youtube sound flatter and more one dimensional than the amazing henbane lp. that fucker had some real grit to it but this one just, it doesnt sound right for this kind of material. The instrumetns sound flat and the vocals float on top of everything and its just, kind of, what the fuck why. Plus the artwork is fucking attrocious.

I guess the maxim of sloth still holds true: 'Most of the bands I like either broke up or now suck'

It's not just you, the preview tracks I've listened to are pretty boring, especially compared to the atmosphere of Haxan or their two master works Spectres Over Transylvania and Henbane. The sound being flat nails it....some of the riffs and the bass playing are good but everything else just sounds like them going through the motions....everyone is already worshiping this stuff and I couldn't help but wonder, what am I missing? I'm going to wait to listen to the entire thing to decide but I'm not getting anything out of the music or the cover art, which looks like the cover of a child story book.

Agreed on the praise for old Behexen, By the Blessing is definitely them at their peak. I also loved Nightside Emanations though whereas a lot of others did not, I loved some of the riffs on there and it at times reminded me of By the Blessing, just more epic rather then frantic and chaotic like Blessing. Tracks on From the Devil's Chalice and the Horna split are their other most played material for me.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: BlackHole on November 03, 2016, 03:13:24 AM
I agree with almost everything Mikko said. I prefer black metal to be around 35 - 45 minutes long albums. No filler and unnecessary intro/outros. I know from knowing personally people in bands that release these double LP "opuses" that they spend about as much time writing these intros as they are long. They have no meaning or purpose on the album other than to simply be there. In the case of DsO however, their intros and interludes are always purposeful and add depth and dimension to the album as as whole. Especially on "Paracletus" and "Si Monumentum". This new album/EP what ever you wish to call it fantastic, but I do agree is a LITTLE bit short to be a full length.

I am also skeptical about this new Cultes Des Ghoules album. I absolutely loved "Haxan" and "Henbane" both but I anticipate this album to be a lot of monotonous, boring, "doom" riffs. However I think appreciating it in it's proper context will be mandatory to appreciate it fully. The concept of the album is obviously one of the focal points. So reading along with the lyrics and soaking in the imagery is probably how the band intended it to be experienced.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Ernpe on November 03, 2016, 09:51:36 AM
I'm also on the single lp wagon. But what irritates me most are not double albums that are made that length but rather albums that are done for cd and released on 3-4 sided 12" with zero idea how the songs work on each side of vinyl. It is an album, not collection of randomly selected songs - though I believe there are lots of classics that are put together more or less hastly, without lots of attention paid into order of songs etc.

70 minutes album may be good double vinyl. Probably not, but if the material works, the record works. 55 minutes album on 3-4 sides of vinyl is most often simply irritating, despite everything basicly being fine otherwise.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: ritualabuser on November 04, 2016, 01:10:15 AM
I think the new CdG is pretty uninteresting. Sounds like "Henbane", which I wasn't big on either. "Häxän" still stands as their best work to me. Not to mention the ridiculous hype surrounding this album, touting it as a masterpiece when there's nothing but a couple of tracks on jewtube and the limp-dick cover art.

Regarding Behexen, I think their best material is "From the Devil's Chalice" and the Horna split. Really mournful yet sinister riffing there, especially songs like "Void".


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on November 04, 2016, 05:43:18 AM
We got the old CdG back! https://youtu.be/_eL_roSSe_Q

Skip the part between 3:10-9:10 to avoid mundane "rock" riffing. The good stuff starts after that. When the synths kick in at 13:20, it's as epic as the best parts on "Henbane". Sadly at 18:10 it goes back to shit.

Now this: https://youtu.be/ubUbkz7If4Y


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on November 04, 2016, 10:36:03 AM
Regarding Behexen, I think their best material is "From the Devil's Chalice" and the Horna split. Really mournful yet sinister riffing there, especially songs like "Void".

Horna split is really good. Also split with Satanic Warmaster includes absolutely essential Behexen track "Mouth of Leviathan". I managed to grab pile of original misprint of the CD version for sale. In very first pressing, all music is there, but trackorder was incorrect (just 4 tracks). Now when long sold out limited cd pressing is being asked from 30 euro upwards, I'd guess this CD would interest people despite one track being in wrong place. Most of the pressing was pulled back and replaced, but bands had copies of misprint which they were allowed to sell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxZvmc5-tTo


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Everswallower Recordings on November 06, 2016, 05:01:55 PM
https://sacramence.bandcamp.com/album/sacramence-earth-mesmerism-split

Sacramence is an example of a BM act that utilizes both electronic and acoustic drumming. This split has strange artwork, but both sides are great.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: NO PART OF IT on November 15, 2016, 11:06:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vFVlOKY5Hs

I am not well-versed with BM, but I have enjoyed it for years and am gradually collecting, among the other things I buy, so I don't know the essentials from the nobodies, which is kind of nice in this age. 

But I have enjoyed GRAVEN immensely.  I guess they have been around for a while. 


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: monotome on November 15, 2016, 10:24:58 PM
THROANE, masterpiece of 2016.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUen9iV_vrY


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Vermin Marvin on November 15, 2016, 10:40:09 PM
Can`t find it from Deathspell Omega.
New one is little listenable than Kénôse that i give another spin last week but i surely missing something from this band since i get bored before any song is over.. rather listen Blackdeath.
Archgoat is another band i want to like but don`t listen.. there is all elements i usually enjoy but still can not find that flame from it.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: F_c_O on November 15, 2016, 10:47:21 PM
Jesus spawn & Angelcunt are still the best things archgoat has ever released.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on November 16, 2016, 12:08:00 AM
"Evil Shall Prevail" must be one of the best black metal releases this year. It compiles "Hellstorm of Evil Vengeance" demo and "Summoning of Infernal Legions" 7" EP from Black Witchery and "Evil Shall Prevail" and "Demo 97" (originally titled "Death to Trends") from pre-Black Witchery band known as Witchery. Side D has Sarcofago cover track "The Black Vomit" and alternate takes from the "Hellstorm Of Evil Vengeance" sessions.

I was never a Black Witchery fan. Their albums are just the kind of "black" metal I hate. Is it called bestial black metal or something? In addition to couple random album tracks, I had only heard "Summoning of Infernal Legions" 7" EP which I think is one of the best black metal EPs so when I started playing the compilation, I had no idea what to expect from the demo material. Turns out they are somewhat in the vein of the EP but maybe a bit more straight forward. The riffing is brilliant, drums are just rough enough and vocals are very crisp too.

I have a strong feeling that Blodfest were quite inspired by Black Witchery's demo material and as a total worshiper of Blodfest's discography, it doesn't come as a surprise that I enjoyed this compilation a lot.

Give it a listen: https://nuclearwarnowproductions.bandcamp.com/album/evil-shall-prevail

If there's a one track I'd especially recommend, that must be the track 11 which is the EP version of "Destruction of the Holy Kingdom".

EDIT: However, what pisses me off about this particular release is that only the deluxe edition includes a 28-page booklet which I think is very important piece of such historic release. Printing xerox zine type booklets and including them to all the copies shouldn't be an impossible task and I don't think that would've increased the price much at all. As someone who couldn't care less about deluxe editions etc, it annoys me that both regular editions (black and colored) only include some useless poster I may as well wipe my ass with.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: BlackHole on November 25, 2016, 09:25:43 AM
BRULVAHNATU is a really outstanding and strange one man project of Kib Sreng (Antediluvian, A.M.S.G, etc). Truly exceptional stuff. I'm surprised this is not a more well known and respected project.

This track in particular is amazing. That saxaphone is so cool. And it actually fits and compliments the music. It doesn't just sound like he put saxaphone in the track just for the sake of doing it to be "weird" or "experimental".

https://brulvahnatu.bandcamp.com/track/the-gland


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: absurdexposition on November 25, 2016, 03:24:35 PM
BRULVAHNATU is a really outstanding and strange one man project of Kib Sreng (Antediluvian, A.M.S.G, etc). Truly exceptional stuff. I'm surprised this is not a more well known and respected project.

This track in particular is amazing. That saxaphone is so cool. And it actually fits and compliments the music. It doesn't just sound like he put saxaphone in the track just for the sake of doing it to be "weird" or "experimental".

https://brulvahnatu.bandcamp.com/track/the-gland

Just came across this the other day, real good.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on November 28, 2016, 01:07:01 AM
BRULVAHNATU is a really outstanding and strange one man project of Kib Sreng (Antediluvian, A.M.S.G, etc). Truly exceptional stuff. I'm surprised this is not a more well known and respected project.

This track in particular is amazing. That saxaphone is so cool. And it actually fits and compliments the music. It doesn't just sound like he put saxaphone in the track just for the sake of doing it to be "weird" or "experimental".

https://brulvahnatu.bandcamp.com/track/the-gland

I just picked up MSC the other night and was blown away by it! Truly some unique and bizarre Black Metal. I didn't know what to expect based on the cover art and was definitely pleased with what I've heard...

Been listening to Nyogthaeblisz- Apex Satanist CD over and over and over since I got it, I play Progenitors at least weekly so I've been waiting for this to say the least and it does not disappoint. The words savage, noisey and chaotic are used a lot these days but this band is on a whole other level for me...the entire compilation from start to finish sounds like something trying to enter temporal reality that shouldn't or couldn't exist. In other words, amazing, the exact kind of metal I like.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Zodiac on November 28, 2016, 01:17:46 AM
Horna split is really good. Also split with Satanic Warmaster includes absolutely essential Behexen track "Mouth of Leviathan".

One of my favorite tracks from them as well. Perfect.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on December 06, 2016, 02:13:16 AM
I've been pretty obsessed with Countess's "Shining Swords of Hate" album lately, minus the short songs. It's a very strange album. Some of the most minimal BM I've heard, in fact some of the most minimal rock I've heard. Very effected sounds on the instruments move it further from aggressive towards atmospheric, but it doesn't go either all emo-pretending-to-be-BM Depressive Black Metal, or "hail the heroic North!" volkish bullshit either. Ultimately it's virtually outsider music all up, just within the BM scene. Interesting that they use drum machine because there is a very improvised feel to much of this, like fucked up krautrock.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on December 06, 2016, 10:34:11 PM
I've been pretty obsessed with Countess's "Shining Swords of Hate" album lately, minus the short songs. It's a very strange album. Some of the most minimal BM I've heard, in fact some of the most minimal rock I've heard. Very effected sounds on the instruments move it further from aggressive towards atmospheric, but it doesn't go either all emo-pretending-to-be-BM Depressive Black Metal, or "hail the heroic North!" volkish bullshit either. Ultimately it's virtually outsider music all up, just within the BM scene. Interesting that they use drum machine because there is a very improvised feel to much of this, like fucked up krautrock.

Amazing and indeed a strange album! Probably my favorite Countess...if I remember accurately I think Orlok actually mentioned in an interview that the album IS entirely improvised and that's also why the sound on the recording is so weird. There's something so bizarre and unique and atmospheric about the recording. Never heard anyone compare it to kraut rock though which I can kind of see now..


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Zeno Marx on December 06, 2016, 11:13:18 PM
Horna split is really good. Also split with Satanic Warmaster includes absolutely essential Behexen track "Mouth of Leviathan".
One of my favorite tracks from them as well. Perfect.
It reminds me of Ancient "Trumps of an Archangel".  Groovy melodic.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: bitewerksMTB on December 10, 2016, 11:26:25 PM
Teitanblood will have a new 12" out in a few days. The Ajna Offensive is currently taking pre-orders.

http://www.theajnaoffensive.com/collections/vinyl/products/teitanblood-3

Looking forward to this. "Sanctified Dysecdysis"  is a killer track!


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on December 11, 2016, 02:06:20 PM
Teitanblood will have a new 12" out in a few days. The Ajna Offensive is currently taking pre-orders.

http://www.theajnaoffensive.com/collections/vinyl/products/teitanblood-3

Looking forward to this. "Sanctified Dysecdysis"  is a killer track!

As is Purging Tongues and their latest album "Death". Filthy and rotten like a decomposed corpse.

Excited about this new release.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Fluid Fetish on December 12, 2016, 12:13:10 AM
In my opinion Teitanblood is currently the best active death/black metal band easily, therefore I absolutely cannot fucking wait to hear this new song. SD is one of the best Teitanblood songs ever written, I can't wait to hear it on vinyl..


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: BlackHole on December 12, 2016, 11:57:38 AM
Ordered the new Teitanblood EP without hesitation. I agree about Sanctified Dysecdysis being one of their best tracks and was hoping it would get put on wax eventually. I'm willing to bet the new track will be great as well. Also surprised no one has commented on the cover art yet. I love that cover. Looks very Lovecraftian.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: bitewerksMTB on December 14, 2016, 11:36:56 PM
Here is a new Teitanblood interview & the new release can be listened to on their Bandcamp (listening to it right now). My copy of the 12" is on its way from Ajna.

http://www.bardomethodology.com/articles/2016/12/13/teitanblood-interview/


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: holy ghost on December 15, 2016, 01:04:06 AM
New Teitanblood and Dead Congregation eps are most welcome. Both are absolutely top tier bands and putting out some of the exciting metal today. That interview was very bizarre....


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Zeno Marx on December 15, 2016, 01:23:12 AM
After a single listen, the new Dead Congregation was a bit of a let down.  I listened to it and the new Funebrarum, and I think I'd go with the latter. DC didn't instantly hit me like they usually do.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: BlackHole on December 15, 2016, 05:22:46 AM
Received the new Teitanblood LP from AJNA today. Fucking excellent as expected. The new track is great.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: MMMM on December 24, 2016, 10:17:50 AM
Peste Noire live!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YzT7QGuSWE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eeMIewJRL8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsoakxBaQfQ


In other recent developments:

(https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/s960x960/15626536_1493248340700330_1376313165322130436_o.jpg?oh=da6102259ca3979a39eb3f16002f931a&oe=58E5BE72)


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: holy ghost on December 24, 2016, 10:05:42 PM
After a single listen, the new Dead Congregation was a bit of a let down.  I listened to it and the new Funebrarum, and I think I'd go with the latter. DC didn't instantly hit me like they usually do.

It reminds me of the intro of the first LP. I kept waiting for some fucker to start chanting in Latin.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Zeno Marx on December 26, 2016, 10:34:36 PM
Has Carl-Michael Eide (Ved Beunds Ende, Virus) ever mentioned Die Kreuzen's October File in an interview?  A top-100 album for me.  I thought the first Virus album was a derivative of Voi Vod, at least in part, but because of the effortless fluidity and rich tones of the other albums, it had me thinking about October File, which also sounds like Voi Vod.  I've never been sure if that was by design or coincidence.  Maybe Eide was pulling more from Die Kreuzen than Voi Vod?  Maybe neither, but I feel they all share some of the same terrain.  The new Virus album is quite good.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: ricjaff on January 14, 2017, 09:31:12 PM
New Sanguine Eagle track is killer. Off their upcoming split with Oppression (Can).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE3jzmtAKzc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE3jzmtAKzc)


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: MMMM on January 22, 2017, 04:03:33 PM
Circle Of Ouroborus(or rather, Klemi and some guy helping out on guitar) live in Moscow last summer.
Even with an incomplete lineup, much of the power is preserved...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL1w5i0PfEM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgtB6PwHVBg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMceX_JtY70


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: MMMM on February 03, 2017, 03:19:25 PM
More footage of live Peste Noire.
Famine's assembled a tight unit...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elIv9qXdvv0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBhHJRx1I9U


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on February 03, 2017, 07:04:15 PM
S.V.E.S.T. "Urfaust" finally reissued!

http://www.noevdia.com/shop/lp-dlp-gatefold/lp-simple/s-v-e-s-t-urfaust-lp/


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: pontifx on February 03, 2017, 07:16:50 PM
S.V.E.S.T. "Urfaust" finally reissued!

http://www.noevdia.com/shop/lp-dlp-gatefold/lp-simple/s-v-e-s-t-urfaust-lp/

Great! One of the best albums.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Leewar on February 04, 2017, 11:59:22 AM
Niden 187 - Impergium


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on February 04, 2017, 06:57:04 PM
Paysage D'Hiver for similar sound and atmosphere. Blodfest for similar drumming.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: HONOR_IS_KING! on February 04, 2017, 09:32:03 PM
Recently I've really been enjoying:

-Bekëth Nexëhmü - anything and everything I can get my hands on.
-Caverne - "Aux Frontieres Du Monde"
-Deathspell Omega - specifically "Fas..." and "Synarchy..."
-Warloghe "Lucifer Ascends"
-Naðra "Allir vegir til glötunar"



Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: MMMM on February 05, 2017, 03:22:25 PM
I'm almost completely clueless about black metal, but that Urfaust album from listening to it on YouTube sounds EXACTLY like what I'd want from the genre - a sort of blackened grindcore sound that never really lets up, especially from around 12 minutes into that first track when it speeds up and you don't quite know if you're hearing blast beats, guitar fuzz or looping harsh noise. Any similar BM album recommendations for moments of sheer chaos or relentlessness?

Antaeus - Cut Your Flesh And Worship Satan

and

Revenge - Behold.Total.Rejection


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Deadpriest on February 05, 2017, 05:46:26 PM
I'm almost completely clueless about black metal, but that Urfaust album from listening to it on YouTube sounds EXACTLY like what I'd want from the genre - a sort of blackened grindcore sound that never really lets up, especially from around 12 minutes into that first track when it speeds up and you don't quite know if you're hearing blast beats, guitar fuzz or looping harsh noise. Any similar BM album recommendations for moments of sheer chaos or relentlessness?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC6qheSgV3E


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: holy ghost on February 05, 2017, 05:50:38 PM
I'm almost completely clueless about black metal, but that Urfaust album from listening to it on YouTube sounds EXACTLY like what I'd want from the genre - a sort of blackened grindcore sound that never really lets up, especially from around 12 minutes into that first track when it speeds up and you don't quite know if you're hearing blast beats, guitar fuzz or looping harsh noise. Any similar BM album recommendations for moments of sheer chaos or relentlessness?

Knelt Rote - Trespass LP on NWN Prod. Trust me this is an LP that mixes black metal, grindcore & harsh noise into a perfect blend of what you're looking for. I've not listened to any Urfaust so I can't comment on the similarities but from your description you need this LP.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Deadpriest on February 05, 2017, 09:02:00 PM
these had similar lo/no-fi qualities that I liked and imagined black metal would

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRWDc0FGrg


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: absurdexposition on February 05, 2017, 11:17:17 PM
I've generally found that the murkier or more live-sounding the recording quality is, the more likely I'll overall appreciate it (a shitty tape sound or tinny microphone almost become another instrument within the mix and adds to that "chaotic" feel I like).

Nyogthaeblisz - Apex Satanist
https://youtu.be/GuFEfKYtpy4


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: HONOR_IS_KING! on February 09, 2017, 07:47:53 PM
Really have been enjoying the ELEMENTAL tape "When Death Comes Everything Moves". Great stuff.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: cr on February 11, 2017, 01:23:30 PM
S.V.E.S.T. "Urfaust" finally reissued!

http://www.noevdia.com/shop/lp-dlp-gatefold/lp-simple/s-v-e-s-t-urfaust-lp/

Great! One of the best albums.

Received it yesterday and fucking hell, it's great indeed! Didn't hear this one before as I only had Coagula and Veritas Diaboli...


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: urall on February 11, 2017, 11:34:57 PM
I've generally found that the murkier or more live-sounding the recording quality is, the more likely I'll overall appreciate it (a shitty tape sound or tinny microphone almost become another instrument within the mix and adds to that "chaotic" feel I like).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOdPVWl-FE8


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Deadpriest on February 12, 2017, 08:46:56 AM
I've generally found that the murkier or more live-sounding the recording quality is, the more likely I'll overall appreciate it (a shitty tape sound or tinny microphone almost become another instrument within the mix and adds to that "chaotic" feel I like).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOdPVWl-FE8


Oh fucking yes!!!


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on February 12, 2017, 02:17:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOdPVWl-FE8


That rules.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: F_c_O on February 12, 2017, 02:24:35 PM
Not sure if sortilegia has been mentioned

https://youtu.be/NSU5P064ajA


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: HONOR_IS_KING! on February 15, 2017, 08:22:15 PM
Not sure if sortilegia has been mentioned

https://youtu.be/NSU5P064ajA

They are excellent!


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on February 23, 2017, 11:38:21 PM
Teitanblood will have a new 12" out in a few days. The Ajna Offensive is currently taking pre-orders.

http://www.theajnaoffensive.com/collections/vinyl/products/teitanblood-3

Looking forward to this. "Sanctified Dysecdysis"  is a killer track!

As is Purging Tongues and their latest album "Death". Filthy and rotten like a decomposed corpse.

Excited about this new release.

Have had this for a while but no time to check until today. Actually didn't realize it also includes the "Sanctified Dysecdysis" track, previously only available on "Woven Black Arteries" CD comp. I was hoping to get this track on vinyl and was actually expecting vinyl version of that compilation but this is way better cause there's no need for "Purging Tongues" to be on vinyl again.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: F_c_O on February 24, 2017, 10:37:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHLDyQx8rsE

I guess that technically this would be death metal and not black metal but Ill disregard that, mainly because 1) this is fucking awesome 2) theres no other topic even remotely relevant to post this into. Plus thematically it fits to black metal with its occultism and satanism. Either way, everyone into black metal or death metal or whatever should check it out. The promises of the first LP has certainly been kept and serpent has ascended even higher.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on March 01, 2017, 10:35:32 PM
I worship Drudkh, both new and old so this was a welcome surprise http://youtu.be/yFUZuVuPjHM


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: eyestrain on March 02, 2017, 01:08:36 AM
I worship Drudkh, both new and old so this was a welcome surprise http://youtu.be/yFUZuVuPjHM

Heading back to the glory of Astrofaes on this. Nice surprise for me now too!!


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: david lloyd jones on March 02, 2017, 01:11:44 AM
I worship Drudkh, both new and old so this was a welcome surprise http://youtu.be/yFUZuVuPjHM
drudkh and hate forest, so important.sound wise and aesthetically overall.  as to importance
some of my most listened to supernal releases.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: urall on March 02, 2017, 03:33:37 PM
on a Rhinocervs binge right - revisiting their stuff as RH-07 just came out on vinyl!


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: F_c_O on March 03, 2017, 12:46:42 PM
Goddamn the new clandestine blaze is amazing. The best thing since fist of the northern destroyer. It is real rarity that black metal lp this good is released these days and thats truly a damn shame.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Urban Noise on March 03, 2017, 01:05:48 PM
Been listening to Crowned Seraph a lot! Noisy Black Metal with a great disturbing feeling. The most evil stuff I came across lately.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: david lloyd jones on March 04, 2017, 08:34:08 PM
anti-god knobbler-st.

this self titled release of gay Satanists is a total surprise to those expectant the traditional bm release.
hate forest guitars with immortal sounding rhythm section and almost death metal vocals
re-imaging the usual aesthetics to encompass the life of a gay Satanist, this lp confounds expectations at many levels.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Old Banyan Tree on March 07, 2017, 11:48:53 AM
If you guys dig Black Metal with harsh noise/ambient influences, I released this band's tape sometime back (sold out)
 
https://soundcloud.com/cyclopean-eye-productions/jyotisavedanga-black-brane-meta


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: MMMM on April 20, 2017, 09:28:16 PM
Grand Belial's Key Live 6/10/2001 New York City

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyBMFF6yA1M

A fine set...


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on July 10, 2017, 03:35:03 PM
I'm almost completely clueless about black metal, but that Urfaust album from listening to it on YouTube sounds EXACTLY like what I'd want from the genre - a sort of blackened grindcore sound that never really lets up, especially from around 12 minutes into that first track when it speeds up and you don't quite know if you're hearing blast beats, guitar fuzz or looping harsh noise. Any similar BM album recommendations for moments of sheer chaos or relentlessness?

http://youtu.be/QAQUSCDYJVY ???


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: F_c_O on July 10, 2017, 03:54:32 PM
I'm almost completely clueless about black metal, but that Urfaust album from listening to it on YouTube sounds EXACTLY like what I'd want from the genre - a sort of blackened grindcore sound that never really lets up, especially from around 12 minutes into that first track when it speeds up and you don't quite know if you're hearing blast beats, guitar fuzz or looping harsh noise. Any similar BM album recommendations for moments of sheer chaos or relentlessness?

http://youtu.be/QAQUSCDYJVY ???
antaeus, drastus, gonkulator, archgoat, blasphemy, conqueror and so forth.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on July 18, 2017, 12:10:06 AM
Epic split with two of my favorite bands, Drudkh and Paysage D'Hiver. Fantastic track by Drudkh: https://youtu.be/PYT-Fugbv0U (and I just know PDH is gonna kill it)

Sadly the artwork sucks...


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Deadpriest on July 18, 2017, 10:36:02 AM
rotten murk and totally broken down lo fi darkness from MY favourite BM band. Bone Awl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usuQo0OS5A0&t=223s


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on July 18, 2017, 10:53:17 AM
Picked up Bathory's The Return... Well, I've finally heard it all now. Incredible album, obviously.

It is fucking superb. I was listening to it just recently, after years. Got it when it was first issued. Totally transformed how I listened to Metal and music. It still stands today as a standard for others.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: ricjaff on July 18, 2017, 07:29:33 PM
this one has been getting consistent listens from me. love the vocal style.

https://youtu.be/a59yiw2jzgU (https://youtu.be/a59yiw2jzgU)


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: cr on August 20, 2017, 05:46:25 PM
I've been in an somehow 'escapist mood' for the last couple days and was listening to lots of SUMMONING.
Old Mornings Dawn will end this weekend. Monumental!


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Rhan-Tegoth on September 02, 2017, 02:15:54 PM
As for "recent" releases, I recommend MJÖLNIR - Magnet Vektor. That album is totally insane (and exhausting in a good way), Industrial Wagnerian BM madness. You really need a coffee break in between, just like if you're watching Terry Gilliams' "Brazil" for the first time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSmpriy9o44




Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: holy ghost on September 04, 2017, 12:03:32 AM
That PERVERTED CEREMONY LP on NWN is hitting all the right notes. Raw but not too raw, variations in the songs, capes, candles, fog, lots of Beherit worship... fuckin' choice stuff. Probably one of the only "black metal" LPs I've really dug this year.

Local lads TOMB MOLD have really hit a great thing with their LP too. Very much rooted in the early Finnish death metal scene, I hear great original riffs but lots of Convulse, Purtenance etc....

If you like that "drums recorded in pro studio, guitars recorded in our basements" tech-prog-death stuff I'm pretty into Decrepit Birth's new DLP. I could have done without a goddamned full side of an LP devoted to covers (who needs to hear a cover of "Orion" in 2017) but it's pretty solid. I think trimming it back to 40 minutes for a solid LP would have been a better choice but hey, I'm just yammering out my ass on a noise forum....

That Oksennus LP is fuckin' bananas too. Y'all should hear that salty motherfucker, I hear NWN just signed them.....


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Old Banyan Tree on September 04, 2017, 04:22:06 AM
What do you guys think about bands that mix PE/Noise with Black Metal?


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on September 04, 2017, 10:36:53 AM
I personally really dislike it.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Deadpriest on September 04, 2017, 12:08:19 PM
I liked some of what Vichy did.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: holy ghost on September 04, 2017, 02:08:42 PM
I liked that WOLD record with the spooky owl on it.....


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Rhan-Tegoth on September 05, 2017, 02:16:07 PM
That PERVERTED CEREMONY LP on NWN is hitting all the right notes. Raw but not too raw, variations in the songs, capes, candles, fog, lots of Beherit worship... fuckin' choice stuff. Probably one of the only "black metal" LPs I've really dug this year.

Don't think it's anything special. Just the usual overplayed Blaspheritofago stuff NWN is now releasing since years. This label is stuck in a dead end, without their re-releases of classic stuff they would be nothing, their own discoveries like Expander or Cauchemar are fucking AIDS to any normal ear. Of course there's still the heavyweights like Revenge or Goatpenis, but these are not "NWN bands" since they were successful years before on other Labels already without any help from that Vegan chink. 


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: urall on September 05, 2017, 09:50:50 PM
That PERVERTED CEREMONY LP on NWN is hitting all the right notes. Raw but not too raw, variations in the songs, capes, candles, fog, lots of Beherit worship... fuckin' choice stuff. Probably one of the only "black metal" LPs I've really dug this year.

Don't think it's anything special. Just the usual overplayed Blaspheritofago stuff NWN is now releasing since years. This label is stuck in a dead end, without their re-releases of classic stuff they would be nothing, their own discoveries like Expander or Cauchemar are fucking AIDS to any normal ear. Of course there's still the heavyweights like Revenge or Goatpenis, but these are not "NWN bands" since they were successful years before on other Labels already without any help from that Vegan chink. 

Agreed it's not new, but i'm still into it.

Really looking forward to the new Knelt Rote which is supposed to come out this year still.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on September 05, 2017, 10:52:20 PM
Not familiar with most NWN! releases but from "new" bands, Antediluvian, Chaos Echœs, Dead Congregation, Grave Upheaval and Irkallian Oracle are very good. Proclamation is more on the "Blaspheritofago" side but I think it's a solid band. When it comes to black metal, Necromantic Worship is very good Greek worship band. And those Goatlord reissues were essential along with compilations from Black Witchery and Ysengrin. Plus they just signed Oksennus which is one of the more interesting current death metal bands. Not a fan of the label, but far from a hater. The "Vegan chink" does good work (even if I don't give a shit about die-hard editions).


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: absurdexposition on September 06, 2017, 01:33:29 AM
(even if I don't give a shit about die-hard editions).

I like a lot of the bands on the roster, but I have no raving praise, nor anything bad to say other than I can't stand these fucking picture disc trophies. Otherwise I think NWN is doing good work and it's important to have labels like it.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Rhan-Tegoth on September 06, 2017, 01:29:15 PM
Not familiar with most NWN! releases but from "new" bands, Antediluvian, Chaos Echœs, Dead Congregation, Grave Upheaval and Irkallian Oracle are very good.

These bands are all Death Metal to my ears and not really interesting for me. Too much Incantation worship nowadays, but to each his own.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on September 08, 2017, 02:45:00 PM
This is almost fucking perfect, been listening obsessively -

https://paysagedhiver.bandcamp.com/track/schnee-iv (https://paysagedhiver.bandcamp.com/track/schnee-iv)


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Rhan-Tegoth on September 08, 2017, 03:23:52 PM
This is almost fucking perfect, been listening obsessively -

https://paysagedhiver.bandcamp.com/track/schnee-iv (https://paysagedhiver.bandcamp.com/track/schnee-iv)

PdH is definitively one of the best BM projects of the ongoing millennium (and I am not just saying this because Wintherr is a compatriot) I recommend you the same-titled demo if you don't know it already. It can get a bit redundant with the whole discography, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lBCPM95YYg

I think BRANIKALD from Russia is one of the few bands that have a similar hypnotic atmosphere. No surprise since I know from fanzines that both bands were in contact in the late 90ies, not sure who influenced whom though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPDAoE-Nr-M


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Thor on September 08, 2017, 11:09:16 PM
Having dwelt on this subject for quite some time I'll contribute to this topic by speculating the best black metal releases (Imo) with regards to sub genres of bm so any outsider can find the type they like. I'll limit each artist to one spot per subgenre
Starting with the source
1st wave bm
Sarcófago - INRI
Bathory - The return
Mayhem - Deathcrush
Flames of Hell - Fire and Steel
Venom - Welcome to Hell
Hellhammer - Apocalyptic rites
Mercyful Fate- Don't Brake the oath

2nd wave
Darkthrone - Transilvanian Hunger
Mayhem - De mysteriis dom sathanas
Burzum - Hvis lyset tar oss
Mutiilation - Remains of a ruined cursed dead soul
Katharsis - Krucifixxion
Vlad tepes/Belketré - March to the Black Holocaust
Gorgoroth - Under the sign of Hell
Beherit - Drawing down the moon
Inquisition - Into the infernal Regions of the Ancient Cult
Veles - Night at the bare mountain
Moonblood - Taste our German Steel

Depressive suicidal bm

Silencer - Death Pierce me
Shining - Within deep dark chambers
Bethlehem - S.U.I.Z.I.D.E.

Bestial Black Metal
Blasphemy - Fallen Angel of Doom
Beherit - The Oath of Black Blood
Archgoat - Angelcunt/Whore of Bethlehem
Proclamation - Messiah of Darkness and Impurity
Revenge - Scum.Collapse.Eradication
Conqueror - War.Cult.Supremacy
Black Witchery - Desecrating the Holy Kingdom

3rd wave of BM

Deathspell Omega - Si Monumentum requires Circumspice
Funeral Mist - Salvation
Svartidauði - Flesh Cathedral
Blut aus Nord - The Work which Transforms God
Arizmenda - Stillbirth at the temple of Venus
Rhinocervs - RH-7
Sinmara - Aphotic Womb
Urfaust - Geist ist Tauft

Noise filled black metal
Nyogthaebliz - Progenitors of Mankinds Tribulation
Tsalal - S/T
Tetragrammacide - Typhonic Wormholes...
Total Genocide - SatanVomitChaos
Feitu/Óraculum split
Enbilulugugal - Goatserpents for Noizemongers
Vraeck - Vergraeck Lehuien Gevlaekt
Obskuritatem - (not really noise filtered but flirts with it)

Well I'm writing this from memory so there may be typos or misphrased albums let alone the volume of albums this list is missing but this at least gives overview over the most impressive albums of each style.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on September 09, 2017, 08:43:04 AM
It is extremely hard to make comprehensive lists of what would be good.
And also, what are the actual merit of each release.
Of course if qualification is simply "IMO" = In my opinion, then it is easier.

I'm not sure how 2nd wave and 3rd wave should be separated? It would be foolish to separate them because of sound or style?
If thinking 1st wave as originators who were hardly ever called BM back then by build foundation. 2nd wave as material what was usually actually at least sometimes called black metal and establishing clearly different form. Happening roughly in turn of 80/90's, perhaps bands like Katharsis, Moonblood etc already belong to "3rd wave" and entered already existing genre. They are already among bands who are the effect caused by existence of "2nd wave". Those who were active in time, can confirm the vast difference of bands starting in late 80's to '92, compared to those who started '93, 94, 95...  For people who observe in now, it seems very much "the same" and belong to same timeframe, but most older guys I talk to, conclude differently.


Perhaps it is personal taste most of all.
List is good, yet I'd like to include many utterly important 2nd wave BM that sounds very different from mentioned ones: Profanatica, Impalez Nazarene, Necromantia, Rotting Christ, Samael, Master's Hammer. Pick up first 1-3 albums of each and they belong to undisputed classics.

Releases like "Taste Our German Steel", gained it's infamy mostly by being ltd 100 copies LP. Not by merit of being anywhere near the best of Moonblood releases. From "suicidal" sound, one could not forget bands like: Strid. Or from "noisy" bm, ILDJARN. Setting standards long before there was "subgenre" for material like that. Listening both bands now, it's quite odd that band like Strid is so old with such material. Being released same year as Det Som Engan Var and Hvis Lyset Tar Oss, but years before Filosofem. And like decade before popularization of "depressive suicidal bm". 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwa-3THi90c

Of course this is purely personal choice. It seems obvious that place where one lives and era when he started to listen material, has big impact on anyone's favorites. You know, ask a Swede about this, and they'd be probably curious why only couple Swedish bands mentioned despite country's huge input for BM. I never been fan of "usual" swedish stuff. What I rather find different from my own taste, is lack of bands from Poland. Mighty Veles, obviously is there, but one could make pretty much equally big list from Polish bands alone. Of course it doesn't make sense to "list everything that exists" as it soon makes existence of list pointless.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Thor on September 09, 2017, 06:04:36 PM
I agree completely to everything you said. I am ofc speaking only from heart with respect to how I have observed the scene and what I find important for newcomers to the genre(notwithstanding that there are numerous other important records to supplement this list, f.e. the mighty contract from RC etc). the concept of a 3rd wave is entirely debatable and not something which has been concretely formed.
Anyway, felt like keeping the list short and sweet for newcomers and open for supplementation. I'm certainly no authority on this matter rather then anyone else but I hope this becomes useful for those interested in the genre.
Btw, while much of this has been personal preferentials, I'll agree that Strid is probably the best dsbm out there, just didn't think of it while writing this list. You can actually hear bands like Nargaroth completely aping Strid riffs and getting away with it because way too few know about the band.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: gasskammer on September 10, 2017, 02:46:37 AM
I found noise music by listening to Black Metal in the early nineties. Going to different recordstores to find the most vile music possible, suddenly they had some Cold Meat stuff hidden behind bargain bin Ildjarn cds. Those were not so popular back then. Have no hate for NWN, i think he releases shitloads of good records. And still answers emails from regular customers. If i should recommend some new Black Metal i would say Ultra Silvam from Sweden, and The third eye Rapists. Raging and hateful music.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on September 10, 2017, 04:03:08 AM
I quite agree with Mikko when it comes to lists like that.

I basically stopped discussing black metal with pretty much everyone besides a very few selected friends because while I wouldn't say jumping into a more mainstream scale "perverted" black metal, I think the interest it got outside of the metal scene when the bubble burst in the late 90's, early 00's and especially when the Internet and peer-to-peer exploded (things got even worse after people heard about "Lords Of Chaos" and held it for absolute truth) turned everyone into a black metal specialist. Lists are ok. I love them. What infuriates me though, is lack of context in most of what I read nowadays. I was still a teen back then, but I remember context. I remember which bands were on metal magazines' covers in the second half of the 90's (in Europe at least), but people forget them, or never mention them for some odd reasons. I'm not particularly fan of most of them but I never see Marduk, Dimmu Borgir or Cradle Of Filth ever get mentioned in current lists of influencial bands. Their tshirt sales probably outsold any BM bands' ever besides Burzum's, Mayhem's or Darkthrone's for obvious reasons though (anyone remembers the infamous "Fuck Me Jesus" or"Jesus Was A Cunt" tshirts?) I feel like the influencial bands should be the ones on Osmose, Season Of Mist or even Nuclear Blast for instance, because they got huge distribution and more people heard them. Where are all the "Battles In The North" (first proper brutal black metal album I believe?), "In The Nightside Eclipse" or "Dusk And Her Embrace" (which popularised the use of synths in BM from the second wave onwards?), "Hammerheart" (birth of viking metal?) or mentions of Thorns' recordings? (who modern Mayhem and modern black metal in general owe a lot to.) Aren't these important facts in the evolution of the genre?

So when I read that Proclamation or Goatpenis are influencial, I'm always like "wtf." They're influencial for people on the NWN forum, which feels like the biggest, most scoured metal forum in the world to me right now. But while a bunch of people came on it becausd they loved metal, I think a bunch of the people on it registered because they found an interest in record collecting (but it could have been toys or stamps instead in the first place) and they swallow almost every NWN release without questionning anything. Yosuke does a great job at what he does but his reissue of Citizen's Arrest LP was probably the most important one context-wise since he reissued "INRI" yet it flew over most of his regular customers' heads because it didn't sound like Blasphemophager or Sadomator. People on there have probably never heard "Enthrone Darkness Triumphant" but think Mjölnir's album is important because Hendrik Möbius says so and he has a good way with words. Etc etc...

So tl;dr but I think lack of context is a pity. I don't see any of the Concilium bands mentioned either yet I feel like the Finnish scene, otherwise oddball-sounding (in a good way), owes them quite of its current unity in sound (I'm speaking for the most melodic bands obviously.)

Finally, I think that there's only a general 3rd wave, or numerous waves, that encompass every post Internet/mainstream exposition of the genre's band as it is constantly evolving and lines with other genres get blurred. I find it a very interesting phenomenon by the way. I don't know many genres of music that keep bringing something new to the table or mutating (whether one agrees or not with these changes) almost 40 years after their inception.

Sorry for the massive post. That's the reason why I don't like discussing this stuff as a whole. I'm back to shutting up and not ranting and yelling at clouds. Also, I particularly recommend any BM newcomer to check Metalion's anthology of his Slayer zines.

EDIT: And I disagree with Katharsis belonging to the 2nd wave because, although they do love Darkthrone, they got famous thanks to NoEvDia and with their later releases, which show a rather personal take on that style in my humble opinion.

And I believe nobody cared about Inquisition before they got releases on SSP or NWN fairly recently. They certainly can't be considered as an influencial 2nd wave band as nobody knew them pre-Internet times. Same with the LLN bands.

And I think some Australian bands like Corpse Molestation or Bestial Warlust belong to the bestial BM list before bands like Proclamation. Bestial Summoning definitely belongs there as well.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Thor on September 10, 2017, 04:47:35 AM
Yeah if you want to identify with release who sell a lot under the banner of bm go ahead and male a list. I'm not trying to assume your position on this matter, I'm trying to encapsulate an actual inkling on the albums which will remain canon for bm.  Imo I don't think Dimmu borgir or CoF does that regardless of their sale. This is exactly why I don't want to rely on sales/distribution but rather actual impact although I admit that without concrete numbers it is hard to document (which is why I go by heart). Inquisition didn't have enough followers in your mind? wtf? this is canon work which very few would dispute. I started my response with the intention of making a starting point for some but I feel like further responses might damage the purpose. nv, the bollocks.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on September 10, 2017, 09:27:26 AM
Popularity is hardly best way to measure influence for core of "genre". It would be like thinking Offspring and Bad Religion being most crucial bands for punk? I doubt it. They may be popular, but irrelevant for many perspectives.

In context of Black Metal, one can observe that even in late 90's, there could be demo tape of 100 copies, what would ignite sort of turn in history of music style and idea itself. Something what many albums that were pressed 10000, did not result.


I'm not concerned of lists or many types of subjective views, nor sharing information. What I am usually annoyed by, is seemingly utmost lack of understanding in BM history or core ideas are intrinsic. Things that mean rejecting those, exclude band from BM without shadow of a doubt.
Insisting calling anything black metal. Using "blackened-". In its vast and diverse forms, there are certainly boundaries when material simply is not BM. Even if it would share couple superficial qualities a'la shrieking vocals or "distorted sound" or blastbeat. As soon as this is said, that there are bands and ideas that without shadow of a doubt are NOT bm, you got people jumping up and down yelling about elitism, closed mindedness, bigotry, prejudice and whatever. And you can just conclude: point proven.

But if just settle for recommendations of bands, I'm always rather surprised why EVILFEAST is not more popular than it is. Phenomenal project from Poland. Certainly some of their CD's are high priced, but it's not the band what would appear often in discussions. Latest album of Wolfnacht is unexplainably amazing. It's hard to point what exactly makes it so good. Availability of the album is rather scarse due its lyrical content, but it's worth to hunt. Evilfeast, in other hand, has had recent re-issues even as double LP sets for those who refuse to buy CD's - which for a lot of BM is best format.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Leewar on September 10, 2017, 12:30:02 PM
Cradle of filths debut is probably one of the most influentuial BM albums out there, and one of the best of that era. Its just that most people wont admit it, though i bet they started their BM 'career' off the back of it.



Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on September 10, 2017, 12:46:02 PM
I don't know about The Offspring (always hated them) but Bad Religion have definitely had a huge influence on a lot of punk bands, at least in one particular part of the punk culture. There are tribute albums, album cover rip-offs and band names inspired by them!

I love Evilfeast as well and always thought they were underrated.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Deadpriest on September 10, 2017, 12:56:02 PM
A completely hilarious parody video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOibIxl3dLo


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on September 10, 2017, 02:27:18 PM
You can't parody bad Black Metal videos, they parody themselves. It's great to see Peste Noir, for example, continue the tradition -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LLNTURw_7Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LLNTURw_7Y)

It sounds like they want to be the Black Metal version of The Tiger Lillies and looks like they want to be the Black Metal version of GG Allin.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: ypatingasisburys on September 11, 2017, 08:12:23 AM
You can't parody bad Black Metal videos, they parody themselves. It's great to see Peste Noir, for example, continue the tradition -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LLNTURw_7Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LLNTURw_7Y)

It sounds like they want to be the Black Metal version of The Tiger Lillies and looks like they want to be the Black Metal version of GG Allin.

I never understood how or why this project ever warranted any attention or interest, utter shit.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on September 11, 2017, 10:22:40 AM
Someone will come along to defend them I'm sure. I grant they have some legitimate talent with their instruments but I also find them unlistenable.

One thing I just can't get into is this crossover with European folk music. For one, I hate European folk music. For another, I can't think of two more disparate genres than Metal of any kind, let alone Black Metal, and folk music. I know all the ideological connections so I don't need someone to jump in and bang on about that but musically you're looking at two completely different things. As usual I could name one or two exceptions that I like to the rule but as usual the rule remains. Folk and Metal should get divorced immediately. Fuck acoustic instruments, Metal should be electric.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Rhan-Tegoth on September 11, 2017, 11:32:42 AM
One thing I just can't get into is this crossover with European folk music. For one, I hate European folk music. For another, I can't think of two more disparate genres than Metal of any kind, let alone Black Metal, and folk music. I know all the ideological connections so I don't need someone to jump in and bang on about that but musically you're looking at two completely different things. As usual I could name one or two exceptions that I like to the rule but as usual the rule remains. Folk and Metal should get divorced immediately. Fuck acoustic instruments, Metal should be electric.

Completely agree! I remember when the first Ulver came out a lot of people went crazy, always found it extremely soft stuff with gay vocals. Same goes for Storm, IMHO the most useless side-project ever, even all three participants rightfully feel ashamed about it now. My exception to the rule would be Isengard, because there are only few pure folkish songs. Can't get into any Neofolk either.

@ Peste Noire: The first three albums were ok although only in small doses because of French language. After that this band got so much smoke blown up their asses that they behave now like narcissistic Hip-Hoppers and still a lot of people applaud them, can't understand why. Their videos, trailers and "documentaries" (= some obedient moron from their entourage filming them) are extremely embarrassing, they are trying very hard.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on September 11, 2017, 11:51:09 AM
Oh fuck, that docco…

Listening to PN a bit more tonight, they come across as clones of Shining. I don't mind Shining when they're actually playing Metal but all the bits of decoration they put on their music shits me.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FallOfNature on September 11, 2017, 12:13:05 PM
The split tape with Sombre Chemin and debut album are recordings I can appreciate and even spin on occasion. Can't stand anything after that though.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: cr on September 11, 2017, 02:53:39 PM
What do you guys think about bands that mix PE/Noise with Black Metal?

Axnaar and Masokismi come to my mind and I think they're great.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Urban Noise on September 11, 2017, 03:42:58 PM
I think these two Spanish bands offer some quality on the more low-fi/whatever BM.

nekrogoatheresyproductions.bandcamp.com/album/atrabilis-negativa-mmxvii-tape


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: monotome on September 11, 2017, 08:11:14 PM
I don't mind the crossover between Black metal and folk(-ish) stuff, example early Ättestupa or Solstafir are great. This is just useless junk by useless people
trying very hard to blow their own asses

Whatever, stupid people do stupid shit, no matter wat genre, attitude or lifestyle.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on September 12, 2017, 02:34:43 AM
Listening to PN a bit more tonight, they come across as clones of Shining.

Yeah, Shining... http://youtu.be/oIhjhOAzit8


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on September 12, 2017, 02:47:50 AM

I don't remember writing that. I'd never spell it "asses" for one thing.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Rhan-Tegoth on September 12, 2017, 10:30:43 AM

I don't remember writing that. I'd never spell it "asses" for one thing.

Yes, that looks like a misquote of my posting. English is not my mother-tongue, would the plural be "arses"?

@ Shining: The early works are good stuff (first two albums in particular), heavily influenced by Bethlehem and Strid. It has to be noted that this band didn't play live before ca. 2005, so people couldn't know what kind of retards they are.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: cr on October 29, 2017, 05:35:15 PM
Evilfeast - Funeral sorcery 2LP

This is a really great record to be listened to on a stormy, rainy autumnal Sunday afternoon.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Zeno Marx on January 04, 2018, 09:58:48 PM
Enjoying the 90's vibe, good songwriting, and textures of Krolok.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: sunandsteel on January 05, 2018, 05:43:17 AM
Available now via Slave Chandelier

Dobhar Chu - Glenaide Lough CS (second edition)

Raw Canadian Black Metal not unlike Temple of Fullmoon bands and Ildjarn...

https://soundcloud.com/slavechandelier/dobhar-chu-hymns-to-the-legions-of-the-horned-one

http://slavechandelier.bigcartel.com/product/dobhar-chu-glenaide-lough-second-edition-cs


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: downward on January 08, 2018, 10:18:11 AM
Ledas-Holodomor raw black metal, in the vein of Ildjarn

https://ledas.bandcamp.com/ (https://ledas.bandcamp.com/)




two cds out soon


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: bitewerksMTB on January 17, 2018, 02:59:21 AM
I haven't listened to metal much over the last year or so but recently started up again. Currently listening to the most recent from Bestial Raids which is pretty good. Another NWN-related act I'm looking forward to is Grave Upheaval. I missed out on the untitled debut but will, most definitely, buy the second release that is coming in March. Same goes the new full length by Morbosidad, they have always been a favorite of mine.

https://weregoat.bandcamp.com/album/pestilential-rites-of-infernal-fornication

WG check all the boxes that I like so I ordered the tape of their recent full-length...



Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: absurdexposition on January 17, 2018, 04:43:11 AM
Very much looking forward to the new Grave Upheaval record. I should revisit the previous one soon.

That Weregoat record is fucking great.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: bitewerksMTB on January 17, 2018, 08:25:42 PM
I ordered the WG tape from Parasitic so it may be a few weeks before it arrives...

Listened to Manticore "Of Plagues & Rats" LP last night. They pretty much sound like Angelcorpse but with additional death metal vocals. I may have to check out their split 12" with Grave Upheaval.

Just listened to the Manticore/GU split; the Manticore material isn't as AC-sounding as the LP. Both bands have good work so may be worth picking up at a low price. The cover art is interesting.

Any more recent violent metal recommendations? I tend to like the more chaotic bands...



Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: ricjaff on January 17, 2018, 10:20:02 PM
^ here are some that have stood out imo:

DSKNT - phSPHR Entropy: https://youtu.be/8Nakhb8HvmA (https://youtu.be/8Nakhb8HvmA)
Voidsphere - To Call/To Speak: https://youtu.be/NmQ7dPyLHAg (https://youtu.be/NmQ7dPyLHAg)
Bestia Arcana - Holókauston: https://youtu.be/Kv2XAeoFVxE (https://youtu.be/Kv2XAeoFVxE)
GGUW - BEHAUPTUNGSANIMALITÄT: https://youtu.be/DG6bwDRS7m4 (https://youtu.be/DG6bwDRS7m4)
Obskuritatem - U Kraljevstvu Mrtvi: (youtube link is down, here's a preview) https://soundcloud.com/blackgangrene/obskuritatem-u-kraljevstvu-mrtvih-album-samples (https://soundcloud.com/blackgangrene/obskuritatem-u-kraljevstvu-mrtvih-album-samples)
Sortilegia - Sulphurous Temple: https://youtu.be/fFOgsBZQPZ8 (https://youtu.be/fFOgsBZQPZ8)
Tetragrammacide - Primal Incinerators of Moral Matrix: https://youtu.be/gOOBhvS5kbc (https://youtu.be/gOOBhvS5kbc)


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: absurdexposition on January 18, 2018, 02:16:09 AM
Listened to Manticore "Of Plagues & Rats" LP last night. They pretty much sound like Angelcorpse but with additional death metal vocals. I may have to check out their split 12" with Grave Upheaval.

I never flip this record and only play the GU side, honestly.

Any more recent violent metal recommendations? I tend to like the more chaotic bands...

Shameless plug, but http://profaneorder.bandcamp.com


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: yosef666 on January 19, 2018, 12:22:17 AM
I ordered the WG tape from Parasitic so it may be a few weeks before it arrives...

Listened to Manticore "Of Plagues & Rats" LP last night. They pretty much sound like Angelcorpse but with additional death metal vocals. I may have to check out their split 12" with Grave Upheaval.

Just listened to the Manticore/GU split; the Manticore material isn't as AC-sounding as the LP. Both bands have good work so may be worth picking up at a low price. The cover art is interesting.

Any more recent violent metal recommendations? I tend to like the more chaotic bands...


Nyogthaeblisz
Tetragrammacide
Sect Pig
Tsalal
Kapala
Reek of the Unzen Gas Fumes
Goatvermin


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: absurdexposition on January 19, 2018, 03:04:22 AM
I ordered the WG tape from Parasitic so it may be a few weeks before it arrives...

Listened to Manticore "Of Plagues & Rats" LP last night. They pretty much sound like Angelcorpse but with additional death metal vocals. I may have to check out their split 12" with Grave Upheaval.

Just listened to the Manticore/GU split; the Manticore material isn't as AC-sounding as the LP. Both bands have good work so may be worth picking up at a low price. The cover art is interesting.

Any more recent violent metal recommendations? I tend to like the more chaotic bands...


Nyogthaeblisz
Tetragrammacide
Sect Pig

All huge.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on January 19, 2018, 08:41:21 AM
for one who has never been into/introduced to black metal, give me that one defining release and i'll buy it!

*can't spell for shit tonight...  anyway, the reason for the modification.

Thanks!

That's not possible. It's like asking for the ultimate "noise" record. Black metal has been evolving as a genre since the early 80's. What I'd consider as an iconic record for its context of creation and influence musicwise would be Mayhem's "De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas" though.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: NaturalOrthodoxy on January 19, 2018, 12:33:23 PM
for one who has never been into/introduced to black metal, give me that one defining release and i'll buy it!


That's not possible. It's like asking for the ultimate "noise" record.

There is certainly some essential listening though!

Burzum- Filosofem
Blasphemy - Fallen Angel of Doom
Mayhem - Deathcrush
Gorgoroth - Antichrist (or Pentagram)
Dissection- Storm of the Light's Bane

more modern-
Peste Noire - La Sanie Des Siècles - Panégyrique De La Dégénérescence
Goatmoon - Finnish Steel Storm
White Medal - Guthmers Hahl
Clandestine Blaze - New Golgotha Rising

by no means comprehensive, but mostly my faves



Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: impulse manslaughter on January 19, 2018, 01:41:56 PM
I'm not an expert but i'd say the first Bathory.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on January 19, 2018, 04:06:11 PM
I understand there was this English band called Venom or something, who had an album who's title I can't recall right now...


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: SILVUM on January 19, 2018, 04:26:45 PM
I'm not an expert but i'd say the first Bathory.

That or Blood Fire Death if you need just ONE in the age of the internet where most albums are available in complete form on youtube.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on January 19, 2018, 05:19:49 PM
for one who has never been into/introduced to black metal, give me that one defining release and i'll buy it!


That's not possible. It's like asking for the ultimate "noise" record.

There is certainly some essential listening though!

[Yaddayadda]



I could have listed 15 crucial albums but that's not the point of the question here. I could also have made a list of my faves, but that's also not the point either. There are albums from that time that I also like better than DMDS but the question is about importance for the genre and being objective about it. Otherwise, he would have checked NWN or any stupid forum.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Duncan on January 19, 2018, 05:40:25 PM
for one who has never been into/introduced to black metal, give me that one defining release and i'll buy it!


That's not possible. It's like asking for the ultimate "noise" record.

There is certainly some essential listening though!

[Yaddayadda]



I could have listed 15 crucial albums but that's not the point of the question here. I could also have made a list of my faves, but that's also not the point either. There are albums from that time that I also like better than DMDS but the question is about importance for the genre and being objective about it. Otherwise, he would have checked NWN or any stupid forum.

I know it's easy to be hyperbolic about black metal but it's quite obvious what the guy was asking for and these recommendations work fine.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: downward on January 25, 2018, 03:33:30 PM
https://giasc.bandcamp.com/album/giasc-raw-demo-mmxviii (https://giasc.bandcamp.com/album/giasc-raw-demo-mmxviii)

Raw Primitive Black Metal, similar to early Absurd and Ildjarn

(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a3843834100_10.jpg)


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: vegasfountain on February 03, 2018, 07:45:45 PM
Just saw an artist named Pandiscordian Necrogenesis play recently. Technical and fully improvised one man black metal machine, playing all instruments simultaneously (feet on drums, hands on guitar, and vocals). Definitely worth checking out. He also records under the name Mastery and released my favorite black metal album of all time back in 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjXnESBAMq4


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Yrjö-Koskinen on February 17, 2018, 09:37:00 PM
https://giasc.bandcamp.com/album/giasc-raw-demo-mmxviii (https://giasc.bandcamp.com/album/giasc-raw-demo-mmxviii)

Raw Primitive Black Metal, similar to early Absurd and Ildjarn

Demo seems to be gone.

Listened to We will rise again, though, and was surprised to learn that I sort of enjoy this type of stuff again (it was terribly overdone fifteen years ago or so). I don't think it's quite at the level of stuff like Abs Conditus or Ildjarn, but it has plenty of charm and grit.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: NaturalOrthodoxy on February 21, 2018, 02:08:38 PM
Just saw an artist named Pandiscordian Necrogenesis play recently. Technical and fully improvised one man black metal machine, playing all instruments simultaneously (feet on drums, hands on guitar, and vocals). Definitely worth checking out. He also records under the name Mastery and released my favorite black metal album of all time back in 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjXnESBAMq4

this piqued my interest, I'd only ever seen it done by the kooky but loveable Nuit Noire to almost comic effect. This is great though! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjJlp5UPmM


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: vegasfountain on February 21, 2018, 07:36:10 PM
Another very underrated one man black metal project from the US... Blattaria. This album has everything I crave from this style of music. It's fast, filthy, dissonant, and disorienting. Can't get enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc5BcAqUVy0


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: BTR on February 21, 2018, 11:23:22 PM
New track from an upcoming Oaken Tower demo. For those unfamiliar, raw heathen black metal:

https://soundcloud.com/beyondtheruins/oaken-tower-division


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: urall on February 22, 2018, 11:49:31 AM
Another very underrated one man black metal project from the US... Blattaria. This album has everything I crave from this style of music. It's fast, filthy, dissonant, and disorienting. Can't get enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc5BcAqUVy0

reminds me a lot of Krallice.

Currently slightly obsessed with Evilfeast. Never checked them out before because... 'evilfeast'. But the epicness has me hooked.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Yrjö-Koskinen on February 22, 2018, 11:13:31 PM
Currently slightly obsessed with Evilfeast. Never checked them out before because... 'evilfeast'. But the epicness has me hooked.

Yeah, isn't that odd? I've encountered rare cases of noise acts named something like "fucknoizosblam" that still sound surprisingly good, but even so Evilfeast might be the most extreme case of divergence between band moniker (which is outright shit) and music (which is awesome) I've ever encountered. My one hypothesis is that they/he started out like a nonsense/almost-joke project, and grew from there. There are a few rather well known BM bands that took that route.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on February 23, 2018, 12:43:50 AM
Currently slightly obsessed with Evilfeast. Never checked them out before because... 'evilfeast'. But the epicness has me hooked.

Yeah, isn't that odd? I've encountered rare cases of noise acts named something like "fucknoizosblam" that still sound surprisingly good, but even so Evilfeast might be the most extreme case of divergence between band moniker (which is outright shit) and music (which is awesome) I've ever encountered. My one hypothesis is that they/he started out like a nonsense/almost-joke project, and grew from there. There are a few rather well known BM bands that took that route.

Imho, I don't honestly know whether one can truly make an accurate judgement about this. Nothing sounds like a joke when it comes to Evilfeast, even the first demo was solid and conceptually close to what he still does now. Same with say... Hate Forest or Nokturnal Mortum if we stay in the East. And closer to us, for instance, Xenophobic Ejaculation or Zyklon SS are utterly stupid names but hardly anyone within the noise/industrial/PE scene questions the 30-somethings behind the projects, you know what I mean? They never started as joke bands, and everyone knows it. It's just a matter of personal taste for the creator of the project and how someone from the outside perceives it, I think?


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on February 23, 2018, 03:51:52 AM
Black Metal, for the most part, is an irony-free zone. That has advantages and disadvantages, but Black Metal still demands you either take or leave it. Personally, I cherry pick - I'll listen to Immortal 'till the cows come home but I'll ignore their music videos, for example.




Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on February 23, 2018, 12:52:44 PM
Black Metal, for the most part, is an irony-free zone. That has advantages and disadvantages, but Black Metal still demands you either take or leave it. Personally, I cherry pick - I'll listen to Immortal 'till the cows come home but I'll ignore their music videos, for example.




Hah, I actually BLASTED "At The Heart Of Winter" two days ago... I think Immortal is an exception to the rule, not in the way that they are a joke band, as they're definitely not (have you seen Abbath's video interviews, or videos of Abbath's guitar lessons?), just that they're an anomaly within the BM scene in my humble opinion. From "ATHOW" onwards, they succeeded in being a freaking rock band playing the most brutal music for festivals. I love the early material because it truly is amazing black metal, and personal as well, but I also love their post "ATHOW" material because it just rocks so much harder than most BM bands. Immortal had (have?) the attitude and the riffs, and are tailored for festivals, but I feel like even the "Fuck Christ" tour videos already show that. 98% of BM or DM bands aren't that way and are a real embarassement to see on stage. I can't wait for the death of "rituals" and boring/static bands, and the end of bands that wish to live the "metal dream" (big scenes, big lights, big shows) but suck because the only reasons behind their moderate success can be explained by virtual circle jerks of basement dwellers who spend too much time on forums, a few good riffs and an odd but fitting production. And yet they don't realise they can't convey any of it in a regular live context. The decline of Western civilization is definitely not for them.

Sorry, I got carried away. I just love Immortal and hate the current BM scene.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on February 23, 2018, 01:49:34 PM
Black Metal, for the most part, is an irony-free zone. That has advantages and disadvantages, but Black Metal still demands you either take or leave it. Personally, I cherry pick - I'll listen to Immortal 'till the cows come home but I'll ignore their music videos, for example.

Hah, I actually BLASTED "At The Heart Of Winter" two days ago... I think Immortal is an exception to the rule, not in the way that they are a joke band, as they're definitely not (have you seen Abbath's video interviews, or videos of Abbath's guitar lessons?), just that they're an anomaly within the BM scene in my humble opinion. From "ATHOW" onwards, they succeeded in being a freaking rock band playing the most brutal music for festivals. I love the early material because it truly is amazing black metal, and personal as well, but I also love their post "ATHOW" material because it just rocks so much harder than most BM bands. Immortal had (have?) the attitude and the riffs, and are tailored for festivals, but I feel like even the "Fuck Christ" tour videos already show that. 98% of BM or DM bands aren't that way and are a real embarassement to see on stage. I can't wait for the death of "rituals" and boring/static bands, and the end of bands that wish to live the "metal dream" (big scenes, big lights, big shows) but suck because the only reasons behind their moderate success can be explained by virtual circle jerks of basement dwellers who spend too much time on forums, a few good riffs and an odd but fitting production. And yet they don't realise they can't convey any of it in a regular live context.

Black metal "gigs" are a terrible idea for the most part. If the setting is right, then I can see it working but for example big outdoor stages in the middle of clear day takes away from the whole experience. I'd rather see black metal bands performing in a basement in front of small circle jerk audience but obviously that doesn't meet the criteria for professional musicians that are looking to make a living from their music. For me personally "professional musician" and "black metal" doesn't really go hand in hand. Then again, can't blame them for taking advantage of the music market.

I'll take this: https://youtu.be/0PfeW47ft_o over this https://youtu.be/FMncM_qT4hw any day.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: NaturalOrthodoxy on February 23, 2018, 02:37:50 PM
I'll take this: https://youtu.be/0PfeW47ft_o over this https://youtu.be/FMncM_qT4hw any day.

I knew this was gonna be Peste Noire before clicking! These new live shows are fucking weird, as is the whole "glitzy"/polished NSBM thing at the moment (Asgardsrei etc)


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: urall on February 23, 2018, 02:49:27 PM
Black Metal, for the most part, is an irony-free zone. That has advantages and disadvantages, but Black Metal still demands you either take or leave it. Personally, I cherry pick - I'll listen to Immortal 'till the cows come home but I'll ignore their music videos, for example.




Hah, I actually BLASTED "At The Heart Of Winter" two days ago... I think Immortal is an exception to the rule, not in the way that they are a joke band, as they're definitely not (have you seen Abbath's video interviews, or videos of Abbath's guitar lessons?), just that they're an anomaly within the BM scene in my humble opinion. From "ATHOW" onwards, they succeeded in being a freaking rock band playing the most brutal music for festivals. I love the early material because it truly is amazing black metal, and personal as well, but I also love their post "ATHOW" material because it just rocks so much harder than most BM bands. Immortal had (have?) the attitude and the riffs, and are tailored for festivals, but I feel like even the "Fuck Christ" tour videos already show that. 98% of BM or DM bands aren't that way and are a real embarassement to see on stage. I can't wait for the death of "rituals" and boring/static bands, and the end of bands that wish to live the "metal dream" (big scenes, big lights, big shows) but suck because the only reasons behind their moderate success can be explained by virtual circle jerks of basement dwellers who spend too much time on forums, a few good riffs and an odd but fitting production. And yet they don't realise they can't convey any of it in a regular live context. The decline of Western civilization is definitely not for them.

Sorry, I got carried away. I just love Immortal and hate the current BM scene.

Don't know if it's irony-free. I have the feeling that lots of 'raw' black metal bands these days are taking the piss. But there are lots of good bands doing this don't get me wrong.

Well, i admit that it's stupid to skip a band for their name only. But there's so much stuff out there that you need to filter on something i guess.



Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Ashmonger on February 23, 2018, 04:01:41 PM
Well, i admit that it's stupid to skip a band for their name only. But there's so much stuff out there that you need to filter on something i guess.
I said about exactly the same to somebody about King Dude last weekend. (Of course, since then there's another good reason not to check his music out.)
I think I listened to something from Evilfeast a while ago, but wasn't into it.

Right now, I'm impressed with the Icelandic Thule band. Anthology 1995-1997 has just been re-released by White Wolf prod. Have to snag a copy.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on February 23, 2018, 05:39:42 PM

Black metal "gigs" are a terrible idea for the most part. If the setting is right, then I can see it working but for example big outdoor stages in the middle of clear day takes away from the whole experience. I'd rather see black metal bands performing in a basement in front of small circle jerk audience but obviously that doesn't meet the criteria for professional musicians that are looking to make a living from their music. For me personally "professional musician" and "black metal" doesn't really go hand in hand. Then again, can't blame them for taking advantage of the music market.

I'll take this: https://youtu.be/0PfeW47ft_o over this https://youtu.be/FMncM_qT4hw any day.

Black metal gigs in basements are the best, or in the woods, or things like that. You need proximity with the crowd, sweat, roughness of the sound and showing that you don't cheat to manage to convince the crowd. But I think there's a massive hypocrisy thing that's always been going in the extreme metal scene and it's not going to change. It's funny you mention Peste Noire. Famine is the epitome of that attitude, although I guess that since he began playing gigs more regularly he's more honest about it.



Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on February 24, 2018, 12:44:50 AM
I knew this was gonna be Peste Noire before clicking! These new live shows are fucking weird, as is the whole "glitzy"/polished NSBM thing at the moment (Asgardsrei etc)

More potential to sell more consumer goods. That's what it's all about.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on February 24, 2018, 02:56:26 AM
I knew this was gonna be Peste Noire before clicking! These new live shows are fucking weird, as is the whole "glitzy"/polished NSBM thing at the moment (Asgardsrei etc)

More potential to sell more consumer goods. That's what it's all about.

They are collecting money for a good cause... That I can respect. Wasn't hatin' on KPN, all their albums are flawless.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: SILVUM on February 24, 2018, 09:18:05 AM
Nothing of value to add besides I also didn't even want to like Evilfeast because of the stupid name - I picture like that food the kids find in Jurassic Park, but like EVIL.. like pastry spiders, orange and black frosting, maybe one of those dead pigs with an apple in its mouth, or I guess it could also realistically be a pile of human bodies and like a dude is gonna get eating, that would be an evil feast depending on the process of corpse aquisition, but the word "feast" sounds so celebratory... but I make so many concessions for Polish Black Metal which I'm generally obsessed with (spelling and word choice tend to be flawed, Iuvenes lyrics are a goldmine), and his composition is really good, I'm worried he's just a competent musician playing in the black metal style, and is more into like halloween cupcakes than cannibalism, but yeah Evilfeast is really good, even his ambient tracks are stellar - Dawn of Winter (but bear in mind that I actually like Vinterriket - the endless repeats of the same 3 string synth tracks, I have awful taste).


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on February 24, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
They are collecting money for a good cause... That I can respect. Wasn't hatin' on KPN, all their albums are flawless.

Ah yes, "the cause". Hip capitalists of all varieties love "the cause". A dash of political flavour adds spice to the purchase. And why not?  If it makes the purchaser feel good, that's the experience they're paying for. Left, Right, or chicken wing, it's all, as everyone says nowadays, good.

Don't get me wrong. People will spend money on what they want. The only real cause is feeling good about things, so if it makes you feel good, do it.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: absurdexposition on February 25, 2018, 02:55:10 AM
(http://i.xomf.com/drpzc.jpg)

Revenge last night at La National in Montreal were great as always.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: NaturalOrthodoxy on February 27, 2018, 04:50:25 PM
Ungfell - Tôtbringære

Random bandcamp find https://ungfell.bandcamp.com/album/t-tbring-re

Scratches the itch for fans of early Peste Noire. Some tracks are actually pretty shameless rip offs, not to mention the logo/artwork. That said it's really enjoyable, melancholic/romantic and rural black metal with very medieval riffs. I've read a few people in this thread and elsewhere say they could do without the wackiness and "polished" nature of recent KPN so this will certainly appease those tastes.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Deadpriest on March 05, 2018, 04:10:33 PM
Black metal I can get on board with:

https://awwfn.bandcamp.com/track/black-metal


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: magma* on March 05, 2018, 11:11:58 PM
didn'T know they are playing bm in India also... this is a raw and noisy

https://ironboneheadproductions.bandcamp.com/album/tetragrammacide-typhonian-wormholes-indecipherable-anti-structural-formul (https://ironboneheadproductions.bandcamp.com/album/tetragrammacide-typhonian-wormholes-indecipherable-anti-structural-formul)


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FallOfNature on March 06, 2018, 12:44:02 AM
didn'T know they are playing bm in India also... this is a raw and noisy

https://ironboneheadproductions.bandcamp.com/album/tetragrammacide-typhonian-wormholes-indecipherable-anti-structural-formul (https://ironboneheadproductions.bandcamp.com/album/tetragrammacide-typhonian-wormholes-indecipherable-anti-structural-formul)

A great band. Their earlier material borders on total noise, completely indecipherable. Personally I love it.

I recommend Konflict from Sri Lanka, too. The vocalist was supposed to guest on my next tape, but that's yet to come to fruition.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on March 06, 2018, 12:50:49 AM
Had to resort to YouTube to actually hear that Tetragrammicide album. But yea, good, noisy, messy and chaotic. Looks like they've got a nice anti-cosmic angle going as well.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: magma* on March 06, 2018, 08:57:14 PM
Ungfell - Tôtbringære
Random bandcamp find https://ungfell.bandcamp.com/album/t-tbring-re

sounds good! ...or is it better to say bad, if it's about bm? beyond good & bad, sounds better (or worse... or beyond better and worse?)

I recommend Konflict from Sri Lanka, too. The vocalist was supposed to guest on my next tape, but that's yet to come to fruition.

Thanks. will check Konflict today... good exotica bonus that Sri Lanka.

EDIT: new found: https://feminazgul.bandcamp.com/releases
"the age of men is over" (but those piano-parts not so exciting. not at all, actually)


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: downward on March 11, 2018, 04:42:12 PM
https://innerempire.bandcamp.com/album/blessed-are-the-meek (https://innerempire.bandcamp.com/album/blessed-are-the-meek)

Panzram Division (SWE) / Downward (ITA) - Blessed are the Meek...

10 tracks, raw black metal, drone, noise, blackened punk


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Benedicto on March 12, 2018, 05:29:31 AM
I like this one from IMMORTAL - All Shall Fall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOOebk_dKFo


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on March 12, 2018, 08:06:01 AM
I like that song, and I like Abbath's first release very much. As much as I dig raw/chaotic/outre/etc BM there's always time for classic old school material that's well written, well played and well done.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Galactic Plagve on March 19, 2018, 12:53:49 AM
didn'T know they are playing bm in India also... this is a raw and noisy

https://ironboneheadproductions.bandcamp.com/album/tetragrammacide-typhonian-wormholes-indecipherable-anti-structural-formul (https://ironboneheadproductions.bandcamp.com/album/tetragrammacide-typhonian-wormholes-indecipherable-anti-structural-formul)

A great band. Their earlier material borders on total noise, completely indecipherable. Personally I love it.

I recommend Konflict from Sri Lanka, too. The vocalist was supposed to guest on my next tape, but that's yet to come to fruition.

I actually prefer the earlier Tetragrammacide material to this newest offering - which is quite good. Hope they adopt the noise again.

Definitely concur with the Konflict recommendation. They recently had a video which was banned from youtube before I could see it; don't know if it was uploaded anywhere else... Their split with Reek Of The Unzen Gas Fumes is great.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: ricjaff on June 13, 2018, 05:38:05 AM
some recent things i've been listening to:

jassa - incarnation of the higher gnosis (russia) : https://youtu.be/jzzlkjAnDb8 (https://youtu.be/jzzlkjAnDb8)

occelensbrigg - the cosmic winter state (portugal) : https://youtu.be/e3r2vkVVRt4 (https://youtu.be/e3r2vkVVRt4)

mahr - antelux : https://youtu.be/C6t7D9Qei-o (https://youtu.be/C6t7D9Qei-o)

altar of perversion - intra naos (italy) : https://youtu.be/7ynoTZO79Nk (https://youtu.be/7ynoTZO79Nk)
*it's fucking 2 hours long*


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FallOfNature on June 13, 2018, 09:25:25 AM
On a bit of a binge lately...loving stuff from Adytum, Vetevrakh, Death Scepter, Glok, Malefices, Tsalal (bordering on noise here), Ultima Thule, Pa Vesh En, Die Kunst Der Finsternis new album, Black Necrosis...


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: DSOL on June 13, 2018, 02:46:41 PM
should have the new Caveman Cult 10" any day now


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on June 13, 2018, 03:51:55 PM
occelensbrigg - the cosmic winter state (portugal) : https://youtu.be/e3r2vkVVRt4 (https://youtu.be/e3r2vkVVRt4)

This rules. All the right elements.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: DSOL on June 13, 2018, 04:39:14 PM
Tsalal, Black Necrosis

both of these are great bands. apparently there is new Tsalal in the works 


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: DSOL on June 14, 2018, 07:47:48 PM
NWN just put up the Blasphamagoatachrist "Black Metal Warfare" Demo

members of Blasphemy, Goatpenis and Antichrist (Canadian one)


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: martialgodmask on June 14, 2018, 09:53:50 PM
Enjoying a lot of black metal again recently having neglected it for a while, particularly the new Grá album "Vasen" and "Rûr" by Rûr.

Heard some shite too, mostly ruined by weak vocals.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 15, 2018, 12:10:00 AM
NWN just put up the Blasphamagoatachrist "Black Metal Warfare" Demo

members of Blasphemy, Goatpenis and Antichrist (Canadian one)

Members of 2 of the most overrated bands of all time. I remember hearing Blasphemy in the late 90s and their CDs sold for barely anything from Osmose. As for Goatpenis, I always found everything they did at best tacky, at worst... you can imagine. Even that Suppurated Fetus demo I have is much more average than a lot of the wild stuff coming out of Brazil around those times. I mean, obviously to each their own but you can't make me believe that people calling their band Blasphamagoatachrist will care about writing decent riffs and that it will be good, even if Yosuke wraps them up in the nicest package with spikes from Callers of The Storms' guitar strap and stains the cover of the tape with some  of Goatpenis' latest "ritual"'s feijoada leftovers.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: ricjaff on June 15, 2018, 05:24:10 AM
I mean, obviously to each their own but you can't make me believe that people calling their band Blasphamagoatachrist will care about writing decent riffs and that it will be good, even if Yosuke wraps them up in the nicest package with spikes from Callers of The Storms' guitar strap and stains the cover of the tape with some  of Goatpenis' latest "ritual"'s feijoada leftovers.

yeah, with that name all i expect is unjustified hype and ultra deluxe packaging that people will flock to. i've been thinking about project names a lot these days within the whole black/death sphere; just seems like people are using the same clichés ad infinitum with little-to-no contemplation. this is one of the most lackluster examples i've seen in quite some time.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FallOfNature on June 15, 2018, 10:55:48 AM
Personally think "Fallen Angel Of Doom" deserves the hype and praise it gets considering they were the first to take things to that level.

Goatpenis are kinda hit and miss... Depleted Ammunition and Inhumanization are the only albums I kept and play on regular occasion.

I didn't care for Death Worship too much, and doubt I'll bother with Blasphamagoatachrist beyond a curious listen.

Revenge, Nyogthaeblisz, Bestial Warlust, Tetragrammacide, Heresiarch and early Diocletian all suffice when I want to hear some all out violence, which is a good majority of the time.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: totalblack on June 15, 2018, 12:05:30 PM
Fallen Angel Of Doom and Gods Of War\Blood Upon The Altar are sacred art, and Blasphemy are one of the best. Actually the real deal, living a lifestyle fitting of the music they create, which you can't say for 99.9% of BM or noise acts. Also incredible live band.

But obviously this new project has a ridiculous name and is a waste of time. Edit: actually listening to it and it's not as bad as I thought it would be, although still not anywhere near "essential listening". I guess I would prefer something like this to Blasphemy releasing a new record and tarnishing the legacy of the project


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: DSOL on June 15, 2018, 02:57:45 PM
Blasphamagoatachrist basically sounds like Goatpenis with Black Winds on vocals.

as for the name it's pretty lame that they decided to incorporate all 3 of their other bands name into one name, when I'm sure they could've come up with something much better


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: DSOL on June 15, 2018, 02:58:34 PM
Personally think "Fallen Angel Of Doom" deserves the hype and praise it gets considering they were the first to take things to that level.

Goatpenis are kinda hit and miss... Depleted Ammunition and Inhumanization are the only albums I kept and play on regular occasion.

I didn't care for Death Worship too much, and doubt I'll bother with Blasphamagoatachrist beyond a curious listen.

Revenge, Nyogthaeblisz, Bestial Warlust, Tetragrammacide, Heresiarch and early Diocletian all suffice when I want to hear some all out violence, which is a good majority of the time.

check out Human Agony if you haven't already. 


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: absurdexposition on June 15, 2018, 03:07:04 PM
I didn't care for Death Worship too much

Extermination Mass is incredible and gives all of the related projects a run for their money.

check out Human Agony if you haven't already. 

Literally Revenge 2.0. Played with them in April.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 15, 2018, 06:02:05 PM


It took 15 years and gadget reissues for Blasphemy to be hyped whereas they had released a record on one of the most prominent BM label of the 90s. I also just read a massive interview of Hervé Herbaut (Osmose's boss) in which he mentions how the Fuck Christ tour was a massive failure... Speaks volumes to me...

I like some of the Aussie bands (like Bestial Warlust or Abominator) but to me they're closer to other local bands like Slaughter Lord than Blasphemy. And I like Sacramentary Abolishment and Axis Of Advance better than Revenge or Conqueror. Axis Of Advance CDs were also really cheap (like 2€ from Osmose for a while... Controversial opinions, sorry...


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: DSOL on June 15, 2018, 08:31:52 PM
have to disagree with the part about the "Fuck Christ Tour". Immortal and Rotting Christ were also on that tour and Immortal was the headliner, i don't think it's fair to say that it speaks volumes about Blasphemy when basically they were a support act to the headliner.

look what both Immortal and Rotting Christ turned into in terms of popularity/etc after said tour.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 16, 2018, 02:55:51 AM
That's not because of the tour. It's because they were on a label that got all the right albums at the right time, including theirs. He says nobody wanted to book those dates and that the bands often played to 20 people.

I don't think Rotting Christ or any of the Greek bands (besides Septic Flesh maybe?) ever were popular until the 00s and even then, considering them popular is quite the hyperbole. The albums were there but I don't remember people caring about them at all. That's recent, forum-induced phenomena.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FallOfNature on June 16, 2018, 11:20:40 AM
Rotting Christ sure had the popularity in the late 90's in Australia at least. I first heard them when A Dead Poem came out. Sleep Of The Angels got a lot of attention in all the mags, even if it sucked (but I'll still take that album over what Tiamat, Samael etc were doing then). They weren't Burzum/Mayhem tier popular but the name was surely common.

Necromantia, Varathron and the rest were basically unheard of by anyone not buying music via mailorder or immersed in the u/g back then though. Varathron probably has NWN! to thank for their current fan base growth.

Speaking of Greek BM - about time someone reissued Legion Of Doom's debut on LP.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Leewar on June 17, 2018, 12:46:54 PM
Fallen Angel Of Doom and Gods Of War\Blood Upon The Altar are sacred art, and Blasphemy are one of the best. Actually the real deal, living a lifestyle fitting of the music they create, which you can't say for 99.9% of BM or noise acts. Also incredible live band.

But obviously this new project has a ridiculous name and is a waste of time. Edit: actually listening to it and it's not as bad as I thought it would be, although still not anywhere near "essential listening". I guess I would prefer something like this to Blasphemy releasing a new record and tarnishing the legacy of the project

A band i was in a long long time ago played with Blasphemy, nice guys but if you believe the hilarious NWN forum hype and "I heard they benchpressed 20 goats in a cemetery at moonlight" type drivel then you need to have a word with yourself.  All i can remember of 'the lifestyle' was smoking weed, drinking beer and having a laugh, fast forward 20+ years and Blasphemy are probably quite content to hitch a ride on their own internet hype train, not have to bother recording anything else, and make a few $$ while laughing at people wanking themselves off over fantasy tales on the NWN forum.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: absurdexposition on June 17, 2018, 06:30:14 PM
Nocturnal Grave Desecrator and Black Winds is unemployed, lives with his mom, does copious amounts of coke, wears a track suit.

Caller of the Storms is a security guard at the Army & Navy in the DTES and rides a red scooter.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: sunandsteel on June 24, 2018, 01:25:10 AM
Blasphemy have always resonated with me in a very violent and primal way. Their studio output is impeccable and honestly, they should just leave it at that and not release anything new. That said, the worship they get these days is a bit retarded. Seems like they caught on with hardcore kids a few years ago who tend to have an annoying emphasis/self congratulatory pat on the back over Caller being black. The fact that there is a long "nerdism" thread on NWN speaks volumes on the autistic nature of the metal crowd. They seem to have become some sort of meme ("lol couchphoto.jpg").

Whatever though, music will always stand supreme.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: totalblack on June 24, 2018, 01:37:00 AM
Nocturnal Grave Desecrator and Black Winds is unemployed, lives with his mom, does copious amounts of coke, wears a track suit.

Caller of the Storms is a security guard at the Army & Navy in the DTES and rides a red scooter.

I've heard other things from mutual friends of ours --- but nothing that wouldn't rule out any of this information


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on June 24, 2018, 02:25:16 AM
Nocturnal Grave Desecrator and Black Winds is unemployed, lives with his mom, does copious amounts of coke, wears a track suit.

Caller of the Storms is a security guard at the Army & Navy in the DTES and rides a red scooter.

No faux "satanic life style" can compete with the true cosmic horror of Reality.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Force Neurotic on June 24, 2018, 02:37:27 AM
The tangent this thread took was the best thing I've consumed today.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 24, 2018, 07:24:59 PM
Blasphemy have always resonated with me in a very violent and primal way. Their studio output is impeccable and honestly, they should just leave it at that and not release anything new. That said, the worship they get these days is a bit retarded. Seems like they caught on with hardcore kids a few years ago who tend to have an annoying emphasis/self congratulatory pat on the back over Caller being black. The fact that there is a long "nerdism" thread on NWN speaks volumes on the autistic nature of the metal crowd. They seem to have become some sort of meme ("lol couchphoto.jpg").

Whatever though, music will always stand supreme.

I'm sorry for being blunt but your post and ideas make you look like you spend too much time reading the NWN board, on which revisionism reigns and people take the words of a few for absolute truth. No one in the hardcore scene cares about someone from Blasphemy being black. Most people who were into hardcore in the 90's knew of Blasphemy from people like Stephane from Kickback (for instance) or listened to as much metal as the average metalhead when they enjoyed the music. People who got into hardcore post 00's probably got their facts mixed thanks to the internet and boards like the NWN one (the same kind of boards exist in the hardcore punk scene by the way, which sucks.)
"Autistic" is typical misinformed pseudo-derogatory NWN slang, "memes" are NWN's basement dwellers' obsessions, and Blasphemy = fodder for NWN that relies on the "autistic" behaviours of its supporters to grab more cash for more interesting records.

You're obviously entitled to your opinions and loving Blasphemy more than I do, to each their own, but 95% of the NWN posters have such a clueless vision of what goes on in other music scenes or outside their fantasy world that it makes it impossible to read for me anymore. A real shame...


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Zeno Marx on June 24, 2018, 07:46:37 PM
I'm sorry for being blunt but your post and ideas make you look like you spend too much time reading the NWN board, on which revisionism reigns and people take the words of a few for absolute truth. No one in the hardcore scene cares about someone from Blasphemy being black. Most people who were into hardcore in the 90's knew of Blasphemy from people like Stephane from Kickback (for instance) or listened to as much metal as the average metalhead when they enjoyed the music. People who got into hardcore post 00's probably got their facts mixed thanks to the internet and boards like the NWN one (the same kind of boards exist in the hardcore punk scene by the way, which sucks.)
"Autistic" is typical misinformed pseudo-derogatory NWN slang, "memes" are NWN's basement dwellers' obsessions, and Blasphemy = fodder for NWN that relies on the "autistic" behaviours of its supporters to grab more cash for more interesting records.

You're obviously entitled to your opinions and loving Blasphemy more than I do, to each their own, but 95% of the NWN posters have such a clueless vision of what goes on in other music scenes or outside their fantasy world that it makes it impossible to read for me anymore. A real shame...
Nice post.

...but 95% of the NWN posters have such a clueless vision of what goes on in other music scenes or outside their fantasy world that it makes it impossible to read for me anymore. A real shame...
How very retro...like pre-crossover...when a small population loved music and was curious, and open, to everything. But to the other sides of that group, those worlds were rife with ignorance...and pride in that ignorance, which is always the real head-shaker.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: holy ghost on June 24, 2018, 08:27:17 PM
My wife's uncle lives in Victoria and walks through Ross Bay cemetery every day as part of his daily routine. He was utterly baffled by all the band photos and instagram tribute pics of "pilgrimages" to Ross Bay. He's now keeping an eye out for them and I screen shot every one that comes up. He's hoping to run into some kvlting as he's trying to feed the deer.

I do have a soft spot for the insane mythologizing of Blasphemy, like the story of one of them punching out KK Warslut when he insulted Caller of the Storms, but yeah, it's a tad ridiculous. However I think the recent fanaticism for Revenge is a tad more baffling. They're cool and all, and I've picked up every one of the their records over the years but.... ???

Personally NWN puts out so many other cool records like those Iron Curtain thrash albums like Hellias, Tudor, Root, Exorcist, Kat, or the Canadian ones like Von, Yog Sothots, Soothsayer, etc.....


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 24, 2018, 09:09:26 PM
Quote from: Zeno Marx
...but 95% of the NWN posters have such a clueless vision of what goes on in other music scenes or outside their fantasy world that it makes it impossible to read for me anymore. A real shame...
How very retro...like pre-crossover...when a small population loved music and was curious, and open, to everything. But to the other sides of that group, those worlds were rife with ignorance...and pride in that ignorance, which is always the real head-shaker.

You worded it better than I could. Between the ignorant metalhead to the punks who deconstruct everything so much they lose themselves in their concepts and can't interact with anyone who doesn't have their head so far up their ass, it gets difficult at times.

I have real life experience that shows me it's not an age-thing so I dismiss that explaination but I can't accept that some people just "know better", like the ones who'd rather buy some of the records Holy Ghost mentioned.

I think "fanaticism" is just a hyperbolic word for metalheads needing to one-up eachother, like the use of terms such as "kvlting" or "ritual." It's like comparing the amount of balooga shockers one owns or finally admitting you listen secretly to Limbonic Art when no one watches because Werwolf just released a Vargrav album... You can't look weak by current nonsensical standards (they seem nonsensical to me at least) so you'd rather own 50 4th rate bestialnecrotrvegrimkvlt war metal picture discs rather than know all good Maiden and Priest's albums by heart.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: absurdexposition on June 25, 2018, 04:53:50 PM
rather own 50 4th rate bestialnecrotrvegrimkvlt war metal picture discs rather than know all good Maiden and Priest's albums by heart.

+1


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: totalblack on June 25, 2018, 06:35:39 PM
I went to a NWN festival years ago and it was really eye opening how weird that scene is. Basically 1000 dudes all with leather jacket and either Blasphemy or Beherit back patches, adorned with as many additional logos that the girth of the wearer would allow. Most of the bands were boring\awful as well


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Duncan on June 25, 2018, 06:50:08 PM
Yeah, underground music scenes and subgenres sure are embarrassing when you take an objective glance at them.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: totalblack on June 25, 2018, 06:58:25 PM
Yeah, underground music scenes and subgenres sure are embarrassing when you take an objective glance at them.

I understand that you are being tongue in cheek, but after 15-20 years of underground music events in a plethora of genres, it still stands out as being by far the most homogeneous crowd that I've ever seen. Significantly more-so than compared to other Black or Death Metal events.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on June 25, 2018, 07:18:20 PM
I can't accept that some people just "know better", like the ones who'd rather buy some of the records Holy Ghost mentioned.

You can't look weak by current nonsensical standards (they seem nonsensical to me at least) so you'd rather own 50 4th rate bestialnecrotrvegrimkvlt war metal picture discs rather than know all good Maiden and Priest's albums by heart.

I accept that some people know better - or are strong minded in being in such conclusion. Especially within BM, it would be crucial.

Yet, from perspective I'm looking from, I don't see anywhere standard that metalheads would be hoarding and boasting with war metal picture discs, but rather everybody listening everything else but bestialnecrotrvegrimkvlt. It is likely person you talk to will blatantly say they just listen Iron Maiden and Danzig from youtube and that's about it. Regardless how rough labels or bands they operate. There is no shortage of people who sing along any Iron Maiden song, I can tell you that.

I have seen people make very broad generalization about Special Interests Forum, as hang-out place of alt-right noise slobs. How much truth is in that, seems to be purely based on observers own hang-ups. Focusing on revolving with handful of messages/topics one dislikes, unable to move to things you do. Of course you see what you see. If some things, like lesser appreciated NWN titles are pressed 250 and don't even sell out, crowd that collects that stuff is unlikely such a huge peer pressure one could not talk about Limbonic Art.


Perspective - just like talk about significance of Rotting Christ. Where I come from, EVERYBODY, and I say: everybody, knew Rotting Christ. A lot of people appreciated it. If not overtly worshipped, they respected what it was about. Look at zines of the era, and striking and memorable Rotting Christ logo stands out in just about every second zine you put your hands to. Everybody knew Samael. Everybody knew Blasphemy, Beherit, Impalad Nazarene and such. Master's Hammer too. How can we measure what people actually listened at their homes? No way to study it now. Indeed, I would say it would be matter of generation and the way how one approached metal, from where and under what circumstances. Significance of those type of bands is not merely "hype generated by forums". I would rather say that the actual fanbase may exists far far away from forums and genre social media.

For example, I was quite surprised to read Impaled Nazarene Suomi Finland Perkele has soon sold 90000 copies. So where are all the clone bands? Where are the tribute albums? Album so popular every year since it was published, it sells more than most new albums that came out.

A lot of bands in history of music do not get noticed for reason or another. Wrong time. Wrong label. Lack of will to even be more than they were. Whatever reason. Nevertheless, they may have enjoyed rather vast peer appreciation. Meaning of band not being in visible popularity, or door money of badly organized tour. Rather it's aura that shaped genre way more than one would think of.

Yet, if thinking what "popular" means: Intended for or suited to the taste, understanding, or means of the general public rather than specialists or intellectuals. So, unpopularity certainly isn't bad quality! Or being unnoticed by masses, yet appreciated and cultivated by ... specialists?


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on June 25, 2018, 07:26:48 PM
Yeah, underground music scenes and subgenres sure are embarrassing when you take an objective glance at them.

It doesn't require even objectivity, or "underground scene". It may be merely one step away from what is just happening. Suddenly that whore twerking on TV or DJ waving his hand in front of 10000 people makes zero sense. While every part of culture in front of you tries to convince that is what is interesting now. In comparison, few patches in leather jacket is barely even uniform behavior.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Zeno Marx on June 25, 2018, 07:33:02 PM
In other words, as I understand it, you can never underestimate the "Who?  Oh, I just liked the patch.  Never heard 'em." crowd.  I personally have never experienced that, but then again, I don't walk around asking people about their shirts or what they have on their jackets.  I'm told lots of folks don merchandise by bands they've never heard.  A uniform.  Conformity.  Humanity.  The disenfranchised looking for community.  I'm imagining a room full of people with Beherit patches who have never heard them.  But then I think of entire bars of people collecting to watch Game of Thrones.  Go to a bar to watch a TV show?  With a room full of strangers who won't shut up.  I guess.  Whatever floats your boat.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Duncan on June 25, 2018, 08:05:22 PM
Yeah, underground music scenes and subgenres sure are embarrassing when you take an objective glance at them.

It doesn't require even objectivity, or "underground scene". It may be merely one step away from what is just happening. Suddenly that whore twerking on TV or DJ waving his hand in front of 10000 people makes zero sense. While every part of culture in front of you tries to convince that is what is interesting now. In comparison, few patches in leather jacket is barely even uniform behavior.

Yeah of course, it's easy to abstract any cultural phenomenon by even just a ball hair or two and correctly identify it as weird.  Just like saying a word over and over again makes it sound strange and meaningless (because it is), deciding to think in any way critically about forms of culture that are designed to utterly skirt that kind of thing will quickly reveal some odd realities.  But what the 10,000 people has working in its favour is the 10,000 people.  Yes, the human race is massive but by anyone's estimation that is still an enormous gathering of humans in one place, each of them corroborating the emperor's nude twerk and set of Dre Beats headphones.  It's as surface level an observation as you could ever hope to make about anything you care to name regarding psychology of popular culture and large groups of people.

Which is why it's especially funny in the case of the 150 or so guys gathered under an umbrella of culture which purports to understand all of the above and reject it from its art, all wearing the same shirts, patches and accoutrements and probably all having bought them from the same place, probably able to remembering the thread they first found out about it in.  Noise, PE, Black Metal, Punk...whatever you want its got a version of it.  Harmless tribalism if you want to take another step back...but the funny part is we all say our shit is different to the other guys doing it.  Just because the low hanging fruit of the mainstream or even the slightly more popular subculture above yours will always be there doesn't mean the irony of such a state of affairs is unworthy of mention.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FallOfNature on June 27, 2018, 10:24:37 AM
new Slidhr is sounding good

https://soundcloud.com/v-n-records


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: DSOL on June 28, 2018, 03:17:26 PM
looks like the Nyogthaeblisz full length is finally going to see the light of day


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: THE RITA HN on June 29, 2018, 12:06:33 AM
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Caller of the Storms is a security guard at the Army & Navy in the DTES and rides a red scooter.

Last time he came by the store he was on a Ducati crotch rocket.  The bike can go upwards of 200 mph.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: absurdexposition on June 29, 2018, 01:44:58 AM
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Caller of the Storms is a security guard at the Army & Navy in the DTES and rides a red scooter.

Last time he came by the store he was on a Ducati crotch rocket.  The bike can go upwards of 200 mph.

Haha, that's what it was. I just remember seeing a pic of him with it at a scooter/etc repair shop an acquaintance worked at.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: DSOL on June 29, 2018, 06:00:44 PM
new Archgoat track

https://archgoat666.bandcamp.com/album/the-luciferian-crown


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Leewar on July 01, 2018, 01:23:02 PM
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Caller of the Storms is a security guard at the Army & Navy in the DTES and rides a red scooter.

Last time he came by the store he was on a Ducati crotch rocket.  The bike can go upwards of 200 mph.

i think the only Ducati you can get that gets anywhere remotely near 200 is the RR that costs 37k+   The must be selling some serious merch.


As NWN has been mentioned a few times im sure people have been seeing the hilarious Judas iscariot/NWN/Blake judd cringe fest unfolding..... Cant help but think Yosuke dropped a major bollock on this one.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: totalblack on July 01, 2018, 01:36:58 PM
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Caller of the Storms is a security guard at the Army & Navy in the DTES and rides a red scooter.

Last time he came by the store he was on a Ducati crotch rocket.  The bike can go upwards of 200 mph.

i think the only Ducati you can get that gets anywhere remotely near 200 is the RR that costs 37k+   The must be selling some serious merch.


As NWN has been mentioned a few times im sure people have been seeing the hilarious Judas iscariot/NWN/Blake judd cringe fest unfolding..... Cant help but think Yosuke dropped a major bollock on this one.

It's been like watching a car crash the last few weeks. Especially with DTB posting that Akhenaten just got in touch with Red Stream \ Elegy to say that he didn't know anything about these "official reissues". Basically complete bootlegs at this point.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: DSOL on July 01, 2018, 03:56:41 PM
YK should have known better than to trust Blake


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: THE RITA HN on July 01, 2018, 08:06:54 PM
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i think the only Ducati you can get that gets anywhere remotely near 200 is the RR that costs 37k+   The must be selling some serious merch.

The bike was serious.  They don't live off just their merch.
http://beatroute.ca/2013/09/07/blasphemy/


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: cr on July 07, 2018, 02:33:13 PM
Hah, I have to admit that I really like the new IMMORTAL- Northern Chaos Gods. That was an unexpected pleasure...


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Zeno Marx on July 07, 2018, 07:15:21 PM
I listened to Sons of Northern Darkness the other day and found it surprisingly decent.  Which is probably why I found myself going down 90's memory lane the past few days:

Enslaved - Eld 1997
Enslaved - Frost 1994 - the last time I listened to this, I wasn't feeling it at all, which was weird because it was a favorite back when, but this time was so sublime that I have to wonder what I was thinking before - this is one of those albums that got the cover art perfect (LP); not that it is a favorite album cover or anything like that, but they nailed the photo, color palette, layout, etc to a point to make it noteworthy - Trym's drumming style and ideas are great, but man is he ever a messy drummer.
Immortal - Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism 1992 - I wish more drumming was like this (also Ancient's "Trumps of an Archangel" or Discharge "Ain't No Feeble Bastard" and "A Look at Tomorrow"; simple 8th note hi-hat rock groove).
Darkthrone - Panzerfaust 1994

*because I can't count


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on July 08, 2018, 02:35:34 AM
I quite like the messiness of the drumming on some of those earlier BM releases. There's something frantic about it. Immortal's "Battles in the North" is of course an obvious example.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: DSOL on July 09, 2018, 02:43:52 PM
BITN is my favorite Immortal album, perfect fall album


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: ConcreteMascara on July 09, 2018, 03:29:18 PM
BITN is my favorite Immortal album, perfect fall album

Weird to see "Battles in the North" brought up so many times in quick succession after I just revisited it a few weeks ago for the first time in years. "Battles.." and Gorgoroth's "Incipit Satan" were the first two black metal releases I heard many years ago and it will always remain a favorite for me. At the Stormy Gates of Mist is probably my all-time favorite Immortal song.

Yesterday I revisited all of Antaeus's discography, save for some of the early demo tapes I don't have. A nice reminder of why they're one of my all-time favorite bands, even if I don't listen to them nearly as much as I used to. I strongly believe their 3rd album "Blood Libels" is their best and refuse to acknowledge 2016's "Condemnation" as even existing at this point. Also, their live show at Maryland Death Fest in 2013 was not only fucking perfect, it was one of the most physically demanding crowd experiences I've ever had. 50 minutes of blood on asphalt and trampled body parts without pause.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: DSOL on July 09, 2018, 04:31:51 PM
MDF 2013 was the last year I went to the fest. so many amazing sets that year Antaeus like you mentioned, Bolt Thrower, Revenge, Cruciamentum and Deiphago. the Carcass set was so boring


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Zeno Marx on July 10, 2018, 08:48:17 PM
Enslaved - Blodhemn 1998 - GREAT.  Intense. Last top Enslaved album?  I wondered why it scored so low at Metallum.  Someone gave it a 23%.  Nut.  The drumming is more precise than Trym's, but that doesn't make it better.  Just that it is.  Could do without some of the solos, appreciate the Hawkwind electronics, and didn't notice until now the Iron Maiden influence in "Eit Auga Til Mimir".


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: ConcreteMascara on July 10, 2018, 10:42:30 PM
MDF 2013 was the last year I went to the fest. so many amazing sets that year Antaeus like you mentioned, Bolt Thrower, Revenge, Cruciamentum and Deiphago. the Carcass set was so boring

My last year as well. I thoroughly enjoyed the Carcass set though. Unsurprisingly it was focused on "Heartwork" and to a lesser extent "Necroticism" and the new record, but I thought it still sounded good. Whereas Revenge and Deiphago were really boring to me, especially with the god awful mixing for Deiphago. But to each their own.

Enslaved - Blodhemn 1998 - GREAT.  Intense. Last top Enslaved album?  I wondered why it scored so low at Metallum.  Someone gave it a 23%.  Nut.  The drumming is more precise than Trym's, but that doesn't make it better.  Just that it is.  Could do without some of the solos, appreciate the Hawkwind electronics, and didn't notice until now the Iron Maiden influence in "Eit Auga Til Mimir".

All earlier Enslaved is pretty damn enjoyable. A lover of "Frost" myself. But I also really enjoy "Below the Lights", which is way more progressive metal or whatever than viking or black etc etc. but it's nice record to listen to while sitting around a campfire in the woods and evening drives.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: DSOL on July 11, 2018, 03:19:47 PM
I not a big fan of Heartwork mixed with the weather being much more chilly than pervious years (had to buy a Beherit long sleeve because I didn't pack anything chilly weather clothes) made me just miserable during their set lol.

so far the lineup announced for next year is looking pretty decent


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on July 12, 2018, 05:55:10 PM
Enslaved - Blodhemn 1998 - GREAT.  Intense. Last top Enslaved album?  I wondered why it scored so low at Metallum.  Someone gave it a 23%.  Nut.  The drumming is more precise than Trym's, but that doesn't make it better.  Just that it is.  Could do without some of the solos, appreciate the Hawkwind electronics, and didn't notice until now the Iron Maiden influence in "Eit Auga Til Mimir".

I love it too. Although "Frost" is definitely my ultimate favourite in their discography and one of my favourite black metal albums as well. There are some good things on "Mardraum" but I can't hang with them afterwards.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Zeno Marx on July 12, 2018, 05:57:42 PM
I remembered being a big fan of Ulver's Bergtatt, but I hadn't played it in maybe 15 or more years.  One of those (greats) that slips through the cracks.  What a masterpiece.  Bona fide.  Now that I have a lot more experience with various types of music, like prog and Nordic folk; I can appreciate Bergtatt even more.  I feel this album could be akin to something like Captain Beyond.  In years to come, the clued will wonder how such a truly great album went unnoticed in its time and basically continues to go unnoticed.  Despite the black metal segments, I don't understand why this album isn't/couldn't/won't be relatively huge and well known across a handful of audiences.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: holy ghost on July 13, 2018, 01:17:49 AM
I remembered being a big fan of Ulver's Bergtatt, but I hadn't played it in maybe 15 or more years.  One of those (greats) that slips through the cracks.  What a masterpiece.  Bona fide.  Now that I have a lot more experience with various types of music, like prog and Nordic folk; I can appreciate Bergtatt even more.  I feel this album could be akin to something like Captain Beyond.  In years to come, the clued will wonder how such a truly great album went unnoticed in its time and basically continues to go unnoticed.  Despite the black metal segments, I don't understand why this album isn't/couldn't/won't be relatively huge and well known across a handful of audiences.

Nattens Madrigal was HUGE for me in the late 90’s and Bergtatt was a close second. I have truly lost any connection with contemporary black metal (although the 90’s stuff I still really click with of course), but these seemingly always make their way into the rotation when I’m in the mood for black metal along with the early Emperor albums. I do recall thinking Bergtatt was a tad “soft” and “not grimm enough” in comparison to NM and yet it’s aged perfectly for me. CM did reissues of the first three albums a few years ago and they really did a great job. I framed the Nattens Madrigal poster that accompanied it and it is the highlight of my record room.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Zeno Marx on July 13, 2018, 01:36:56 AM
I could never really get into Nattens.  I revisited it a few days ago and still feel the same.  After the masterwork of Bergtatt and the great beauty of Kveldssanger, that was a shift in direction I had no interest following.  I think I understand what they were doing there, but eh...novelty.

I do think --though I also find this reason for lack of interest completely asinine and ridiculous-- they made a real mistake and poor calculation in not originally releasing the first two on LP.  It was just still too anti-CD then, and black metalheads were every bit as obsessed with records as the punks.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: totalblack on July 13, 2018, 01:54:20 AM
I could never really get into Nattens.  I revisited it a few days ago and still feel the same.  After the masterwork of Bergtatt and the great beauty of Kveldssanger, that was a shift in direction I had no interest following.  I think I understand what they were doing there, but eh...novelty.

I do think --though I also find this reason for lack of interest completely asinine and ridiculous-- they made a real mistake and poor calculation in not originally releasing the first two on LP.  It was just still too anti-CD then, and black metalheads were every bit as obsessed with records as the punks.

I remember reading somewhere that Nattens Madrigal was made as a reactionary record that they did to prove they could write better records than Darkthrone and the like ... which sort of explains the radical shift in sound to black metal by numbers and then into much stranger territory immediately following it. I was under the impression that the early records were regarded as classics and staples of the genre


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: holy ghost on July 13, 2018, 02:13:44 AM
I’m revisiting Bergtatt now and I definitely think it has aged better than Nattens Madrigal. Or is it a symptom of me being 38 and not 18? Or how about that I’m playing it on a nice grown up stereo vs a tape I dubbed of the CD with shit headphones? The variables are endless! This truly is a beautiful album, that mixes the folky acoustic bits really well with the endless riffing. There’s a part in track III that sounds like a door slamming right in the middle of the song and that moment always reminds me of how “hypnotic” this record is because every time I zone out to the max and that one moment just sets me right back in to the album. It’s sheer brilliance. The bass playing is absolutely stellar as well on this record, not too flashy but definitely more than just marking the root, it’s an absolute highlight.

My love for Nattens Madrigal will never change. I remember the endless stupid commentary/myth-making about it being recorded in a forest at midnight or whatever inane bullshit people made up and the endless forum backlash..... still sounds great to me!!!


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Zeno Marx on July 13, 2018, 02:23:29 AM
I remember reading somewhere that Nattens Madrigal was made as a reactionary record that they did to prove they could write better records than Darkthrone and the like ... which sort of explains the radical shift in sound to black metal by numbers and then into much stranger territory immediately following it.
That's interesting.  Never heard that.  I can't say I ever heard any folklore about Nattens, but that scene was never on my radar.  There's no reason I would have heard it, but now that we're talking, it sounds like fun.

I was under the impression that the early records were regarded as classics and staples of the genre
I really shouldn't make any declarations about black metal.  I probably couldn't be any further removed from it.  I hope I didn't come across as if I were.  What I was hoping to communicate was that they're both so well done that I would think they could appeal at a high level to audiences not of the black metal variety.  I would think the folkies would be genuinely impressed.  The proggers as well.  The goth metallers and Projektights too.  etc.  I'm probably kidding myself.  Ved Beuns Ende was pretty great, and they didn't get any deserved crosstalk.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: holy ghost on July 13, 2018, 02:47:34 AM
I’ll echo the above that these Ulver records suffered greatly at the hands of the CD (pic LP limited to 300) mentality of the 90’s as the overall aesthetic of all three early records are absolutely stunning, the reissues look absolutely beautiful and really highlight the music within. I’m on to NM now and wow, did this album define my teen years in a lot of ways. It’s so interesting to see the shift in perception towards production in black metal, this just does not really sound as “raw” as it’s referenced. It’s got a ton of fantastic riffs on it and the production suits it. It’s efinitely a slap in the face compared to Bergtatt but definitely not this sloppy nightmare joke record it’s defined as.

Incidentally Ulver have left me completely cold post NM, I went back to Shadows of the Sun recently and it was just not anything I could get into. Same with the Sunn/Ulver collab but I did really and truly love that Aethenor record with the blue cover “En Form for Bla” I think? Once I hit up some early Emperor that’s going on.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: totalblack on July 13, 2018, 03:31:08 AM
I enjoy everything up until ~2003 ... Perdition City in particular for whatever reason has a special place in my heart even though its just weird pop \ downtempo \ trip hop ... As much as I love the mid era Beherit weirdness of H418ov21.C and Electric Doom Synthesis, Ulver just did it better in my opinion


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on July 13, 2018, 07:48:05 AM
Despite the black metal segments, I don't understand why this album isn't/couldn't/won't be relatively huge and well known across a handful of audiences.

To me it always seemed Ulver is way bigger than any typical Black Metal? Maybe it's different in different countries. But over here, any works of Ulver seems to be widely listened, acknowledged way beyond "bm audience".

That said, band has never been much of interest of mine. Beyond 1st and 3rd album, I never heard anything really interesting. These two also rarely end up to my stereos because both albums having lots of good things, also have things I don't care for. One major obstacle the gentle sounding boyish choir vocals in debut. In both albums the advanced musicianship often is turn off. I don't mean BM needs to be played like shit, but there is often sort of "musicians having fun" feel to Ulver - whatever era we talk about.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on July 13, 2018, 08:04:19 AM
I've always felt like Ulver's music (I know nothing after "Nattens Madrigal" though) was much more conceptual and arty than the other black metal bands' music from the same location and time. No satanism, no corpsepaints, no kvlt label, no stupid production (except for "Nattens Madrigal", which is why the band is revered in BM circles I think, but ultimately, it's much more thought out than a Gorgoroth album, if I may say so), nothing that'd make them stand out besides incredibble musicianship and talent in songwriting. That's a shame.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Zeno Marx on July 14, 2018, 12:05:02 AM
I'd never heard Mysticum - In The Streams of Inferno 1996 before a couple days ago.  Some noteworthy atmosphere and vibe, and I like the feel the electronic drums give it.  I'm not seeing any credits for synths, but they're there.  Or is that some kind of guitar triggered MIDI deal?  The photos on the Peaceville reissue are creepy in a deranged, not mentally well way.  They're also funny.  What's the deal with the hard drug connexion and black metal?  Is that tongue-in-cheek?  Something common to underground culture in Norway?  Obviously, heroine etc isn't unique to Norway or black metal, but since it seems to be something specifically mentioned on albums, I'm curious.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on July 14, 2018, 11:40:37 AM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FWbcP8b8v2Y/VdYbAEc9J8I/AAAAAAAAEb4/cvrID3MDA5U/s1600/4.jpg)


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on July 14, 2018, 10:30:49 PM
I support the use of hard drugs for Youth Of Today. Then, maybe, MAYBE Ray Cappo will manage to make some decent music once in his lifetime.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FallOfNature on July 15, 2018, 10:21:06 AM
I'd never heard Mysticum - In The Streams of Inferno 1996 before a couple days ago.  Some noteworthy atmosphere and vibe, and I like the feel the electronic drums give it.  I'm not seeing any credits for synths, but they're there.  Or is that some kind of guitar triggered MIDI deal?  The photos on the Peaceville reissue are creepy in a deranged, not mentally well way.  They're also funny.  What's the deal with the hard drug connexion and black metal?  Is that tongue-in-cheek?  Something common to underground culture in Norway?  Obviously, heroine etc isn't unique to Norway or black metal, but since it seems to be something specifically mentioned on albums, I'm curious.

I was always under the impression that LSD was their vice of choice. Great album in any case.





Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on July 15, 2018, 12:57:35 PM
http://www.mysticum.com/beer/ (http://www.mysticum.com/beer/)


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Zeno Marx on July 15, 2018, 07:20:59 PM
I'd never heard Mysticum - In The Streams of Inferno 1996 before a couple days ago.  Some noteworthy atmosphere and vibe, and I like the feel the electronic drums give it.  I'm not seeing any credits for synths, but they're there.  Or is that some kind of guitar triggered MIDI deal?  The photos on the Peaceville reissue are creepy in a deranged, not mentally well way.  They're also funny.  What's the deal with the hard drug connexion and black metal?  Is that tongue-in-cheek?  Something common to underground culture in Norway?  Obviously, heroine etc isn't unique to Norway or black metal, but since it seems to be something specifically mentioned on albums, I'm curious.
I was always under the impression that LSD was their vice of choice. Great album in any case.
ah, that's different.  I don't consider LSD a hard drug.  Different animal.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on July 16, 2018, 05:01:54 AM
This is definitely my favourite album promo. You'll take it with what seriousness you will, I think it's both cornily entertaining and genuinely interesting. They talk a bit more about their drug "obsession" describing the first track.

"LSD" and "The Ether" really are excellent tracks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buUPR3WBkFU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buUPR3WBkFU)


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Foss on July 17, 2018, 12:54:00 AM
Mysticum was always a standout band in the Norwegian scene. Even in later years when everyone was getting magazine covers etc. they were still dangerous for real. I think more the connection is to take heeps of chemical drugs and then top it off with LSD. I did a rap demo (yeah...) around 2000 and sampled the last ambient track of the "Streams.." album. Somehow this landed in the hands of the guys and i met up with them via some mutual friends, they were into harsh rap at the time so it was good. But they have the appereance more of Blasphemy and such than any other norwegian bands . Also Black Magic Mushrooms 7" is such an insane track. Hard techno and electronic music resonated a lot in Norway at the time.

As a response to some Ulver discussions also, i think they and a few other of the norwegian contemporaries took the electronic impulses a bit too far in a shallow way. It seems like a few of them just listened to some Mo' Wax or the likes and just wanted to replace real drums with that and=avantgarde. Dødheimsgard is really a victim of this mindset. Satanic Art is great, 666 is cheesy as hell and the next one is just a disgrace. But i think Ulver always had a too clean approach to experimentation, as so many of their contemporaries. It seems like a good idea to experiment with boundaries of Black metal, but i think the failure was in that they was already too tied up in record deals with producers etc. It was always experimenting with expensive synth patches and choirs, getting a famous violin guy or some shit in the studio. Not going into the woods or a shed and banging on shit with a walkman etc. It became too clean too fast.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: DSOL on July 18, 2018, 05:14:43 PM
if anyone liked the Mooncitadel demo, the new EP is just as good.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FallOfNature on July 18, 2018, 05:22:03 PM
if anyone liked the Mooncitadel demo, the new EP is just as good.

Impatiently waiting for that to arrive.

The Black - Priest Of Satan reissue + merchandise is up for pre-order at Osmose for anyone interested.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: DSOL on July 18, 2018, 05:25:23 PM
thanks for the heads up on The Black reissue. such an underrated record


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Decrepitude on August 01, 2018, 07:44:42 PM
I’ll echo the above that these Ulver records suffered greatly at the hands of the CD (pic LP limited to 300) mentality of the 90’s as the overall aesthetic of all three early records are absolutely stunning, the reissues look absolutely beautiful and really highlight the music within. I’m on to NM now and wow, did this album define my teen years in a lot of ways. It’s so interesting to see the shift in perception towards production in black metal, this just does not really sound as “raw” as it’s referenced. It’s got a ton of fantastic riffs on it and the production suits it. It’s efinitely a slap in the face compared to Bergtatt but definitely not this sloppy nightmare joke record it’s defined as.

Incidentally Ulver have left me completely cold post NM, I went back to Shadows of the Sun recently and it was just not anything I could get into. Same with the Sunn/Ulver collab but I did really and truly love that Aethenor record with the blue cover “En Form for Bla” I think? Once I hit up some early Emperor that’s going on.

That Aethenor record is great, I wish I could find free-improv records as good as that. Supersilent seems similar, but I haven't got the chance to pick any of theirs up yet.

NM is a favorite of mine too. For some reason, when I was younger I used to many times come home from bar and put it on when I went to sleep. Hymne VI is epic!


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Zeno Marx on August 04, 2018, 09:43:52 PM
Martyrium - L.V.X. Occulta 1994 - also new to me and from a Negative Plane recommendation - rich and resonating.  I've been thinking about this album for a couple days.  Any recommendations for bands or albums similar?  I don't know why, but it also got me thinking about Stargazer and Mortuary Drape.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on August 05, 2018, 01:10:38 AM
That Martyrium album reminds me of Immortal's "Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism" a lot.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Scat-O-Logy on August 06, 2018, 01:54:50 AM
Martyrium - L.V.X. Occulta 1994 - also new to me and from a Negative Plane recommendation - rich and resonating.  I've been thinking about this album for a couple days.  Any recommendations for bands or albums similar?  I don't know why, but it also got me thinking about Stargazer and Mortuary Drape.

Funereal Presence, the solo project of Bestial Devotion (drummer/vocalist of Negative Plane).


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Zeno Marx on August 06, 2018, 09:01:54 PM
Martyrium - L.V.X. Occulta 1994 - also new to me and from a Negative Plane recommendation - rich and resonating.  I've been thinking about this album for a couple days.  Any recommendations for bands or albums similar?  I don't know why, but it also got me thinking about Stargazer and Mortuary Drape.
Funereal Presence, the solo project of Bestial Devotion (drummer/vocalist of Negative Plane).
Ah yeah.  Thanks for jogging my memory.  Both releases had their own thing happening.  Both really, really good.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Zeno Marx on March 24, 2019, 10:11:54 PM
some good and interesting stuff happening on Wagner Ödegård - Om Domedag och de Femton Järtekn.  catchy, too.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Decrepitude on March 24, 2019, 10:18:33 PM
if anyone liked the Mooncitadel demo, the new EP is just as good.

Impatiently waiting for that to arrive.

The Black - Priest Of Satan reissue + merchandise is up for pre-order at Osmose for anyone interested.
Have to pick that up at some point.

Also TULUS vinyl reissues coming next month. Can't wait.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: holy ghost on March 25, 2019, 02:44:25 AM
I’m pretty burned out on contemporary black metal but I’m not gonna lie, the news of a new TEITANBLOOD LP are pretty god damned exciting.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: ricjaff on March 25, 2019, 08:17:01 AM
been digging this a lot. finnish emperor worship for the current era. the layering and atmosphere is top-notch. highly recommend a listen

https://youtu.be/_2Fn0ukN8hI (https://youtu.be/_2Fn0ukN8hI)


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on March 25, 2019, 06:42:32 PM
Peaceville just reissued Obtained Enslavement' second album on LP too. Symphonic BM doesn't get better than this.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: brutalist_tapes on March 26, 2019, 03:49:45 PM
my black metal listening the past few weeks have pretty much consisted of nyogthaeblisz, goatpenis, fullmoon, asgardsrei by absurd and some not-really-BM stuff like intolitarian.. getting a little jaded, though.. as can be seen, i prefer the rawest possible stuff.. anyone got some suggestions?


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: DSOL on March 26, 2019, 04:48:38 PM
my black metal listening the past few weeks have pretty much consisted of nyogthaeblisz, goatpenis, fullmoon, asgardsrei by absurd and some not-really-BM stuff like intolitarian.. getting a little jaded, though.. as can be seen, i prefer the rawest possible stuff.. anyone got some suggestions?

 
Tetragrammacide 
if you like Fullmoon early Graveland
Veles


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: brutalist_tapes on March 26, 2019, 05:05:42 PM
my black metal listening the past few weeks have pretty much consisted of nyogthaeblisz, goatpenis, fullmoon, asgardsrei by absurd and some not-really-BM stuff like intolitarian.. getting a little jaded, though.. as can be seen, i prefer the rawest possible stuff.. anyone got some suggestions?

 
Tetragrammacide 
if you like Fullmoon early Graveland
Veles
must check tetragrammacide out, i know the others. thx!


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: DSOL on March 26, 2019, 05:47:05 PM
also recommend

Methgoat
Human Agony
Ululatum Tollunt
Nexul



Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: brutalist_tapes on March 26, 2019, 05:52:32 PM
also recommend

Methgoat
Human Agony
Ululatum Tollunt
Nexul


thanks man!


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on March 26, 2019, 05:56:41 PM
my black metal listening the past few weeks have pretty much consisted of nyogthaeblisz, goatpenis, fullmoon, asgardsrei by absurd and some not-really-BM stuff like intolitarian.. getting a little jaded, though.. as can be seen, i prefer the rawest possible stuff.. anyone got some suggestions?

Well, you can for one read the NWN forum. It seems that what you like fits exactly with what they spend their time talking all day long. I don't like that kind of black metal but Bestial Warlust, Abominator or Corpse Molestation always do the job when needed. Try Perversor too, maybe? And some of the Danish bands affiliated with Blodfest like Nastran, Luciation, etc... And Bestial Summoning too.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: brutalist_tapes on March 26, 2019, 07:11:09 PM
my black metal listening the past few weeks have pretty much consisted of nyogthaeblisz, goatpenis, fullmoon, asgardsrei by absurd and some not-really-BM stuff like intolitarian.. getting a little jaded, though.. as can be seen, i prefer the rawest possible stuff.. anyone got some suggestions?

Well, you can for one read the NWN forum. It seems that what you like fits exactly with what they spend their time talking all day long. I don't like that kind of black metal but Bestial Warlust, Abominator or Corpse Molestation always do the job when needed. Try Perversor too, maybe? And some of the Danish bands affiliated with Blodfest like Nastran, Luciation, etc... And Bestial Summoning too.
i know these bands, actually i am from denmark myself, hehe. the typical war metal don't interest me much, what i am looking for is ultra-noisy no-fi bands like for example nyogthaeblisz. of course i like blasphemy and bestial warlust, but all the clones don't interest me much. not so much black metal, but reek of the unzen gas fumes also kind of hits the spot for me. and intolitarian - they at least have war metal influences. but i guess not many bands are doing these rawer-than-raw almost noise things, and sometimes it's perhaps by accident, ha..


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on March 26, 2019, 07:25:09 PM
So I can't help. No offense but I don't think you're looking for a particular sound but for some bands that fit  some vague, sketchy aesthetic (SSP stuff) and that the Internet crowds like.
I don't think those bands have much musical value (besides Fullmoon, and they're not even that great compared to most of the other bands from the TOF.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: DSOL on March 26, 2019, 07:38:10 PM
So I can't help. No offense but I don't think you're looking for a particular sound but for some bands that fit  some vague, sketchy aesthetic (SSP stuff) and that the Internet crowds like.
I don't think those bands have much musical value (besides Fullmoon, and they're not even that great compared to most of the other bands from the TOF.

pretty much every band I listed for him fits into the sound he is looking for especially Tetragrammacide & Methgoat who could be considered very heavily influenced by Nyogthaeblisz

if he wanted sketchy aesthetic I'm pretty sure he would asked for bands with sketchy aesthetic and not looking for a particular style of black metal



Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on March 26, 2019, 08:40:16 PM
So I can't help. No offense but I don't think you're looking for a particular sound but for some bands that fit  some vague, sketchy aesthetic (SSP stuff) and that the Internet crowds like.
I don't think those bands have much musical value (besides Fullmoon, and they're not even that great compared to most of the other bands from the TOF.

pretty much every band I listed for him fits into the sound he is looking for especially Tetragrammacide & Methgoat who could be considered very heavily influenced by Nyogthaeblisz

if he wanted sketchy aesthetic I'm pretty sure he would asked for bands with sketchy aesthetic and not looking for a particular style of black metal



You posted as I was typing my reply. Also, 5 bands don't make a particular style and Intolitarian don't sound like Goatpenis nor Fullmoon. Their only common denominator is some pseudo ideology. Anyway, no time for arguing, it seems the only black metal discussed on the Internet is the one created by the Internet and I don't really care about that. Good luck with your search.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: yosef666 on March 26, 2019, 09:02:10 PM
I just released a Human Agony / Methgoat split LP on Analog Worship, should be up your alley. Raw and noisy as hell.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: brutalist_tapes on March 26, 2019, 11:16:12 PM
I just released a Human Agony / Methgoat split LP on Analog Worship, should be up your alley. Raw and noisy as hell.
nice, will check it out


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FallOfNature on March 27, 2019, 04:48:06 AM
my black metal listening the past few weeks have pretty much consisted of nyogthaeblisz, goatpenis, fullmoon, asgardsrei by absurd and some not-really-BM stuff like intolitarian.. getting a little jaded, though.. as can be seen, i prefer the rawest possible stuff.. anyone got some suggestions?

Tsalal - ללַצָ


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: yosef666 on March 27, 2019, 05:08:44 AM
my black metal listening the past few weeks have pretty much consisted of nyogthaeblisz, goatpenis, fullmoon, asgardsrei by absurd and some not-really-BM stuff like intolitarian.. getting a little jaded, though.. as can be seen, i prefer the rawest possible stuff.. anyone got some suggestions?

Tsalal - ללַצָ

Great recommendation.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: sunandsteel on March 27, 2019, 04:28:04 PM
my black metal listening the past few weeks have pretty much consisted of nyogthaeblisz, goatpenis, fullmoon, asgardsrei by absurd and some not-really-BM stuff like intolitarian.. getting a little jaded, though.. as can be seen, i prefer the rawest possible stuff.. anyone got some suggestions?
Black/Death:
Hellvetron
Witchcraft
Teitanblood


For Fullmoon/Absurd:
Thor's Hammer
Totenburg
Malphas
Fatherland
White Medal
Infernum
Thunderbolt (first few releases)
Swastyka
Nitberg




Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Zeno Marx on March 27, 2019, 06:08:24 PM
Tsalal - ללַצָ

might be the first time I've gone to metal archives and not found a recommendation


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on March 27, 2019, 07:03:12 PM
For Fullmoon/Absurd:
Thor's Hammer
Totenburg
Malphas
Fatherland
White Medal
Infernum
Thunderbolt (first few releases)
Swastyka
Nitberg

Not much "Absurd" in these mentioned bands I think.

I'd recommend for example:

Dämonenblut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRyh7HjvKDI

Wolfsmond
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV4gZCeTEEo

Heldentum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NR54nYVT6U



Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: FallOfNature on March 28, 2019, 12:22:04 AM
Altar of Perversion - From Dead Temples was just reissued by AJNA. Mandatory if you do not own it.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: fetch the rope on March 28, 2019, 05:05:49 PM
For Fullmoon/Absurd:
Thor's Hammer
Totenburg
Malphas
Fatherland
White Medal
Infernum
Thunderbolt (first few releases)
Swastyka
Nitberg

Not much "Absurd" in these mentioned bands I think.

I'd recommend for example:

Dämonenblut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRyh7HjvKDI

Wolfsmond
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV4gZCeTEEo

Heldentum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NR54nYVT6U



Many Nebelfee Klangwerke label related bands play very similiar type Black Metal that the Wolf/Unhold-era Absurd played. Permafrost, Ewiges Reich, Antiphrasis, Suicide Solution...

For more obscure recommendations about Absurd-type bands, a good one is Finnish INSANE APOLLYON, which was eponymous solo project of ex-Vornat vocalist. He did not record much before his suicide in 1997. Breath of Pestilence releases the survived recordings in CD format last year. https://youtu.be/21G6f1suWu4


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Decrepitude on March 29, 2019, 05:05:47 PM
my black metal listening the past few weeks have pretty much consisted of nyogthaeblisz, goatpenis, fullmoon, asgardsrei by absurd and some not-really-BM stuff like intolitarian.. getting a little jaded, though.. as can be seen, i prefer the rawest possible stuff.. anyone got some suggestions?
Abhorer demos, Fear Of God.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: brutalist_tapes on March 29, 2019, 05:19:46 PM
thx for alle the rex! know the lot, but some bands are new to me, gotta go check em out


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Eigen Bast on March 29, 2019, 09:33:05 PM
Grausamkeit! Completely insane german raw black metal. I know nothing of the german scene but the whole Saarland black metal scene is just what I look for. Narbentage being main label releasing material. The reissue of Mimir's 1997 tape they're doing is perfect raw bm. Check out bands on the now defunctbParasyte Curse label too; Durazsis are excellent.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Foss on April 01, 2019, 06:23:22 PM
Tsalal - ללַצָ

might be the first time I've gone to metal archives and not found a recommendation

I think some bands are found to be too much noise therefore not real metal and thus deemed "not worthy". Same thing with Obskuritatem is found too noisy.

Otherwise related to black metal i was just listening to Libertus, the album from Aptorian Demon. A really good record with a sinister feel to it, but much overlooked due to being from Trondheim and not being released on Terratur Possessions.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Salute on April 17, 2019, 11:06:04 AM
Methgoat

This is an actual band name?? Hahah holy fuck! I have seemed to dropped off from the newest Black Metal bands then... Methgoat. What's next, Heroindevil?!


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on April 17, 2019, 12:33:33 PM
Methgoat

This is an actual band name?? Hahah holy fuck! I have seemed to dropped off from the newest Black Metal bands then... Methgoat. What's next, Heroindevil?!

Well, I don't see why not. That element of Black Metal that's into a really scummy, anti-everything image. If Satan wants you to ruin your life with drugs before killing other people and yourself then a band name paying tribute to gutter drugs makes sense. There'd have to be more overtly drug worshipping BM bands around, Doom Metal can't have all the fun.

Had a listen to Methgoat on Bandcamp and they're not bad, very noisy to the point that some tracks have no discernible riffs as such. I tend towards that kind of thing in the right mood.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: Salute on April 17, 2019, 03:11:24 PM
Yeah I know that there's a lot of this decay/self-destruction promoting Black Metal and drugs seem to be an essential part of the scene, at least for the artists themselves. The name of the band still stands out quite stupid to me.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: DSOL on April 19, 2019, 05:45:12 PM
Departure Chandelier - Antichrist Rise To Power.

AOTY right now


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: ashraf on April 19, 2019, 08:36:43 PM
Yes, Departure Chandelier album is incredible. Is it available still anywhere?  Funny to think it’s (mostly) the same guys behind Serpent Crest.


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: DSOL on April 19, 2019, 09:04:13 PM
i was able to grab a copy from Arcane Altar but I think he is sold out now (didn't think it was going to sell out so fast, so I didn't order a copy from NWN right away), I think some distros in Europe might still have copies

NWN said a 2nd press is coming, but it'll be 6-8 weeks


Title: Re: BLACK METAL
Post by: ashraf on April 19, 2019, 09:16:01 PM
Thanks for the heads up.